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randi rhodes calls hillary an f'ing whore

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as part of her contribution to the political debate, she is now suspended from air america, and apparently at places like dailykos they are weeping crocodile tears for her indeed.

given that i am a lifelong democrat, having voted first for jimmy carter when i was first of age to vote, i support hillary and what am i to make of thise obama mystique that leads to otherwise rational people to begin viciously defame a woman senator from new york and former first lady of the country

what gives you people the wright to slime hillary? for shame.and dont give me the well i would not do that but crap...obamites are quite the crowd, arrogant, dismissive of those who disagree, and defile others for, well, their defilement.


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She was doing stand up when she did that, it was part of a comic rant, it wasn't even on the radio it was at a stand up event. Though it was a bit over the line but still it wasn't like she was saying it for real and on the radio. This is really just more bad news for Hillary, RR is a well liked liberal talk radio host.

I'm not sure what you mean by "wasn't...saying it for real". Was it in a cartoon animation or in an alternate virtual universe?

I'm not sure why people can't disagree with people without demeaning all women by using "fucking whore" for females you disagree with.

Dislike Ferraro and her comments for all you want, but she did not use racial epithets - she described a racial situation that she felt applied to Obama, and you can think her racist or not for that evaluation. Same for Clinton. There are more than enough words and phrases in the English language to describe what you want to say without dragging down all women or the whole human race. It's simply unacceptable, "being funny" or not. Sorry if people think I'm a broken record (CD?) for pointing it out. Some people collect stamps.

You do know RR is a women right?

And what? Anyone heard Bill Cosby say something a bit racist?

Iam assuming your very angry at Tina fay as well for calling Hillary a bitch on national TV...

I did a diary over it (0 to Bitch in 6.3 seconds). She was trying to take some sting out of the sexism, she was trying to defend/empower women. Perhaps it wasn't completely successful, but the intent was nice.

In my last diary on misogyny I was told that some of the 38,000 members of "Stop Running and Fix Me a Sandwich" were women so it must not be sexist and misogynistic. Others said "it's just in good fun" so it must not be sexist and misogynistic. I will not be convinced that calling 2 different women a "fucking whore" is somehow okay because the speaker was a woman or trying to be funny. Lots of jokes are unfunny and sexist. Larry Flynt purported to be funny with his cover of a woman going through a meat grinder. Ha ha ha. Ann Coulter purports to be funny with her regularly sexist humor (along with her many other problems). You're welcome to listen to Andrew Dice Clay, but don't be surprised if people don't want him on Air America.

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I just watched it, and was pretty shocked. Trying to compare it to Tina Fey is just weird. Attempting to justify it just betrays your own bias, and maybe bigotry.

I'm an Obama supporter and find no excuse for saying what Randi Rhodes said in any venue for any reason. And Rhodes was not so naive as to think her words would remain in that room.

There are lots of specific behaviors for which Hillary deserves criticism, in my opinion. But gender-specific epithets are way over the line, even when spoken by a person of the same gender.

As a political matter, Rhodes has doubtless both invigorated and embittered Hillary's supporters, adding to the divisiveness of this election and the challenge of getting either candidate's supporters to back the other. Rhodes helped Hillary in the remaining primaries but hurt Hillary and Obama in the general election. She also damaged her own reputation as a progressive.

Clinton Supporters Agree that Hillary Should Only Be Addressed as "Madam"!

obamites are quite the crowd, arrogant, dismissive of those who disagree, and defile others for, well, their defilement.

I assume this was not meant as humor, but it gave me quite a laugh. This single sentence is an excellent example of a pot-kettle moment. You dismiss Obama supporters as being dismissive. Love it! :)

Most of us treat Clinton with respect. Sure there are several Obama supporters (a vocal minority) who will lampoon Clinton and/or her supporters, just as there are several Clinton supporters (a vocal minority) who will lampoon Obama and/or his supporters. Additionally, many of us occasionally slip up and say something not so nice. The question is, do you want to make it a habit?

It gave me a laugh for a different reason. Defile others for their defilement?

Being redundantly redundant for the redundant sake of redundant redundancy, is just redundantly redundant.

Where is the paradoxical Paradox?

Where is the honest Truth?

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Ben, You got that out with a straight face? The shutting down of opposite views from Obama supporters is pretty extreme. Just view any non-Obama freindly post of any kind here and see what happens.

Generalizations of dismissiveness are a study in hypocrisy.

That's the Truth of that Paradox.

We can't help but be extreme at times (and it comes out in inappropriate outbursts often, I agree) when we see so many people blindly following a presidential candidate based on her last name when we possibly have the best chance to reset America on a path to success in this cycle.

It just comes out wrong. We're so confused, that we get angry.

what gives you people the wright to slime hillary? for shame.and dont give me the well i would not do that but crap...obamites are quite the crowd, arrogant, dismissive of those who disagree, and defile others for, well, their defilement.

Nice of you to try to sneak Reverend Wright into the post.

Hillary has become fair game because her campaign has become disgusting and because her lies about running for cover under sniper fire allegedly making her more qualified than Obama show extremely poor character.

"what am i to make of thise obama mystique that leads to otherwise rational people to begin viciously defame a woman senator from new york and former first lady of the country"

"obamites are quite the crowd, arrogant, dismissive of those who disagree, and defile others for, well, their defilement."

What completely rediculous generalizations. Please open your eyes and your mind. If you were paying attention and not just offering your mindless support of someone based on their party and ties to power, you would see that Hillary Clinton is a bad person. She is nearly devoid of character, honesty, and any of the qualities I would like to see in a public official, let alone the president. She is George Bush in a pants suit (not in policy, but in character). Her lust for power and absolute lack of any moral spine have pushed her to do and say so many things that make me completely sick (this is coming from a person who was very open to voting for her last January). If you would contribute more by keeping yourself informed, and maintain an open mind to what has happened this year, I know you would think differently. Good luck.

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Now THATS comedy. thanks for the chuckle kevvy

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It is really disgusting to see all these rationales being thrown around by Obama supporters for RR idiotic and demeaning attack on HRC.

What's even more disgusting is not seeing any female Obama supporters saying enough is enough. You'd think at least one woman, (regardless of politics) would like to see the sexist attacks on another female cease.

Oh well, would do I know. I'm just another racist Hillary backer.

Many of us Obama supporters have denounced such sexist comments. Perhaps you're not seeing it here so much because this isn't the first time the Randi Rhodes thing has been brought up.

In case it's not clear: I find calling Hillary, Ferraro, or any female (including Coulter) an f'ing whore is inappropriate. It's especially unhelpful coming from someone who is an Obama supporter. However, neither Obama nor his campaign have ever made statements even closely resembling these.

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Ben,

How many others do you see here responding to this post who share your sentiments? And still not a single female (identified as so) voice. It just mystifies me.

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Ben: "Monster" was a step on the road to this (albeit lacking gender-specific overtones), not to mention indicative of the Obama camp's internal view.

I'm a woman and I'm a supporter of Obama. I should also note that I think Randi Rhodes shouldn't be allowed on the radio anyway. She's stupid, has made up facts and gets upset over some of the dumbest things. And she's not funny.

Since I can't bring myself to actually care what Rhodes said, I sort of don't have a context here. I read that she wasn't on her show at the time, that it was a comedy skit. That changes things a lot. I'm unclear as to the point of this post though. Rhodes is suspended. What does the OP want?

All that being said, it's hard for me to care about Clinton being called a fucking whore. Why? When some unfunny person on SNL called her a bitch during a comedy skit, I don't recall Clinton supporters whining. In fact, they were embracing it in some demented "girl power" move. Besides, anyone who subscribes to race-baiting as a campaign tactic is nothing but a fucking whore.

Well it was intended as a "girl power" move, whether you liked it or not.

And again, whether you think the description of Hillary as "race-baiting" is justified or not, the description "fucking whore" is not.

And again, whether you think the description of Hillary as "race-baiting" is justified or not, the description "fucking whore" is not.
Agreed.

No actual fucking is involved.

And your self-pity line is right up there with something my friend's 8 year old would do. I think you Clinton supporters need to grow up, open your eyes and stop playing the victim at every turn just because people disagree with you. It's pathetic.

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fabooj

Self-pity line? I don't know what the heck you're talking about. I certainly don't feel any self-pity. Matter of fact, I don't even feel any pity for you. After reading your tirade, I feel nothing but contempt for you and every other Obama supporter who agrees with you.

Tirade? You call that a tirade?

Oh. That's so typical.

I am a woman, and an Obama supporter. But besides that I know how to take things in context.

I love Air America and quite honestly when this campaign began, I couldn't listen to Randi because of her defending Clinton antics as "just rough and tumble politics"

As the months wore on, and more and more disgusting things came out of the Clinton campaign that would make any self respecting democrat cringe, Randi came around.

The woman is no idiot. She has her job precisely because she is no holds barred pointing out hypocracy in Washington. She is hard, tough and yes even crass. Many women before this campaign actually admired her. She could be just as tough and loud for the left as the Rush and Hannity's could be on the right.

Now here is the deal. Comedians these days say F*king this and that every other word in their routines. The term F8king W*re, used in Randi's context, was not referring to a loose sense of sexual mores, but rather a stronger term for beotch.

Although I have to agree that she should be suspended from Air America for a time, it is not for the reason you think. Randi did not make these statements on the air, but she did do it at an Air America sponsored event, and must adhere to the rules regarding their sponsorship. But hypothetically, if she was doing this on her own, separate from Air America. It is her free speech option.

She is digusted, as we all are from the Clintonian do anything, say anything campaign. Randi is not in any way associated with the Obama campaign. However, many, many people actually associated with the Clinton campaign have done worse, and Clinton has not stepped forward to renounce and reject.

So basically, quit your bitching.

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"Nice of you to try to sneak Reverend Wright into the post."

They've got Wright on the brain.

"obamites are quite the crowd, arrogant, dismissive of those who disagree, and defile others for, well, their defilement."

Like, say, the smear campaign against Richardson, Kennedy, Kerry, even Oprah ....

Just wait til Carter endorses, I'm sure they will smear him too.

The HRC crowd is very ruthless in demonizing anyone who gets in their way.

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Female says,

whore
3: a venal or unscrupulous person


Adjective unscrupulous has 2 senses

1. unscrupulous - without scruples or principles; "unscrupulous politicos who would be happy to sell...their country in order to gain power"

We will buy Randi a dictionary, but tell me what are you going to do about The Marsh?

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That was a really sad piece. My question is...why did she need to go there? There is volumes...libraries full of material for a Democrat to go after the Republicans on. Why did she take on Hillary and Geraldine. She deserves to be taken off the air for the sheer stupidity of it. What was she thinking? Go ahead and divide us more?

It just saddens me where Randi and Stephanie Miller have gone with this thing. Should have stayed above it and kept quiet.

But, you have to love us Dems. we love to eat our own. Do we wait for the republicans to hurt us? Hell no....we go after each other. Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.

But, you have to love us Dems. we love to eat our own.
Sharks eat their own, and they've been the dominant ocean predator for hundreds of millions of years.

Name-calling of that nature makes her no better than Ann Coulter. She deserves to get suspended and probably even deserves to get fired for that. No matter what Rhodes might think, Hillary and Ferraro deserve our respect -- childish, spiteful name-calling like that has no place in the political discourse.

I didn't think Samantha Powers deserved what she got for her "monster" comment, but Rhodes' comment is way over the pale.

I'll admit, I have a certain weakness for calling her 'The Iraq Wh*re', but that might be because I have a real appreciation for the horror of lives unexpectedly, cruelly and unnecessarily cut short. A real understanding of what traumatic death looks like physically.

It should anger the crap out of everyone - the outrage against her is well deserved - and for that matter against every moron in Congress that stood idly by or worse yet (like Hillary) did a little cheerleading on the way into war.

In my book there were no - zero - zip - zilch - reasons to start that war, especially . Anyone with a clear head, anyone who had read extensively during the run up to the war - could clearly see there were many fallacies to the logic used to justify it:

There were seasoned reporters in Iraq that questioned it based on their knowledge of Hussein. There were reports from our OWN NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Commission) that expressed serious doubts about the admin's claims regarding the aluminum tubes, in fact the openly argued that those tubes did not meet - even dimensionally - the requirements for centrifuge use.

There were the pleas from the NIEA inspectors that more time was needed and that they highly doubted Hussein had any sort of effective weapons in play.

Where was Bin Laden? Bush himself was increasingly deriding the significance of finding him. Kinda like Hillary sacrificing lives in Bosnia so her doomed, secretive plans for health care (which does need serious repairs) would not be derailed.

Hillary's arrogance shown by her failure to spend the time to even read the NIE herself, for failing to listen to the reasoned voices of Byrd and others.

Let's face it, 133 Representatives - ALL FACING elections within three weeks of their vote - and 23 Senators were wise enough to vote against the war.

But Not Hillary. That's sad, how many other Senators at the time were quite the celebrity she was? How much more pull might she have had than many others?

Oh - NOW - after 4000 dead, thousands more maimed and how many dead civilians(?) she is the big anti-war Senator - give me a break.

She did in fact, help to whore the valor of our volunteer patriots, she is in fact, accessory to the crimes. She has helped whore our reputation worldwide and our financial stability too.

For her, it was ALL ABOUT political expediency then as it is now.

So yeah - she is one of those beings that Rhodes called her. I just am using a real premise for my view.

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I'm female, an Obama supporter, and this kind of stuff gives me a headache. No matter what you think of Clinton, language like this is not helpful. Did people learn nothing from New Hampshire? Clinton gets sympathy when people say things like this--it makes her supporters dig in their heels. Hell, it even makes me more sympathetic towards her, and I can't think of a thing I like about the woman except perhaps that she's managed to be a needle under the toenails of Fox News types for fifteen years.

I know, it was all just good fun, just a comedy sketch. But I think if Randi Rhodes had called Obama anything like this, there would be similar outrage. And if she had called John McCain a warmongering old c**ksucker--just for instance-- the National Guard (what's left of it) would probably have marched on the Air America headquarters by now.

The left shouldn't quietly titter over and publically rationalize crap like this. We might hate Clinton as a candidate, but after the election she's still going to be a Senator and her vote will be needed. And when we laugh at this shit about Clinton, what can we say when Dowd starts calling Obama Obambi, and worse. Just a joke? All in fun?

Sometimes I think the only thing Democrats are really liberal with is friendly fire.

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She would have called Obama similar.......She would have been booed on stage. But, it has always been cute and clever for pundits,hacks, and psuedo-comedians to take pot shots at Hillary. Its been a non stop barrage since they came on the public stage. Why? I haven't a clue.

Just take the Iraq -whore comment from above. Last time I looked we all sat on our asses in 2000 and didn't do enough to get Al Gore elected. Or hit the streets in protest of the war. Hell for the most part outside of blaming Hillary there is little talk here of Iraq. What was the point of the comment? Lets be real. That vote was simple BS. Georgie-porgie was going off to war whether Congress was going along or not. Polls had 80% of the public backing him. I am sure there are plenty here that tacitly shook their heads in agreement that surely the Madman Saddam had to be stopped. So, why say it.

All in all I think she gets the shortest stick of anyone in the whole news cycle. She has tried this campaign both ways...aggressive and laid back and neither have stopped some people from bashing her...I just don't get it

Your choices do not reflect the choices of others. I wrote letters and made phone calls to elected officials to get them to back the Black leaders of the House who were trying to right the wrong of the 2000 election. Apparently, you sat on your hands like the other Representatives and Senators and didn't do anything.

A year before the war even started, I was writing letters and making phone calls to every single person in Congress and my local officials to stop the drumbeat for war. The day Colin Powell gave his little speech about WMD, I made over 600 phone calls and fired off emails to over 7000 people, to stop this war. Apparently, you sat on your hands.

Don't say "we" didn't do enough, because I was not alone. I had a network of over 300 people also making the same phone calls and sending emails. We marched to prevent the war. You chose not to do anything.

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Agreed fabooj. I appreciate that you were doing that. I too spent my time writing congress and trying to get others to join in.

When I used the "we" was meant as the royal We. Obviously our efforts were not supported in great numbers by our fellow citizens and we weren't able to change what happened.

My point, however, was in putting the blame for the whole fiasco as Sen. Clintons feet. Does she deserve some of the blame? Sure, but I think we all do as well. Wouldn't you agree?

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Tpartier,

"It should anger the crap out of everyone - the outrage against her is well deserved - and for that matter against every moron in Congress that stood idly by or worse yet (like Hillary) did a little cheerleading on the way into war."

"There were the pleas from the NIEA inspectors that more time was needed...."

I know this is useless, but I'll try once more. Go back and read HRC's speech on the Senate floor at the time of the AUMF. She wants more time for the inspectors to do their job, is asking for it, hopes that the Bush adminsitration will use the resolution as a lever to get Saddam to agree to do so. That's not cheerleading for war. Maybe given the nature of the president she was dealing with it was an unrealistic assumption. But it wasn't the all-out, hell-bent for leather, nuke 'em until they glow war vote that Hillary detractors like to pretend she cast.

Oh - if that's what she really meant - then why didn't she support the Levin amendment?

Now you want to cherry pick her remarks, here's a pick for you - it shows Hillary being as good a judge of Bush's character as Bush was of Putin's:

"...I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible."

Of course I could pick other parts that show her claiming 'careful consideration' after not reading the NIE, or any number of other things - but that just doesn't explain why she didn't support the Levin amendment, which simply denied the authority without coming back to Congress for the actual authorization at about the time he intended to actually take action.

Finally, how strongly did she speak when it became obvious that Bush was basically determined to move forward?

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T, we were off to war no matter what the Senate voted. That cannot be argued. What she voted for or not voted for was immaterial.

You're a tad delusional there big guy - if enough Senators had taken the due time to investigate and to demand - as was their right - a more thorough investigation of the intelligence AND if the more influential Senators, like Clinton, had coerced others strongly enough - this war might well have been prevented.

I assure you, if Congress had voted against the war and Bush still attacked you can bet your ass there would have been hell to pay. But Congress was full of pansies at the time.

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"Obamites are quite the crowd, arrogant, dismissive of those who disagree, and defile others for, well, their defilement."

I'm guessing that your opinion is based on propaganda from Wolfson & Co.

Every Obama supporter I know used to support Obama and Hillary equally. Hillary has lost our support because of her lies and deceit during her campaign.

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"She deserves to be taken off the air for the sheer stupidity of it."

= censorship.

Would Hillary try to shut up the press and critics as president?

Are you really that sensitive, or are you just playing the pseudo-outrage game? I think what you are seeing is that because of her lets say sub par (to be nice) behavior throughout this campaign, many people have troubble defending Hillary from anything. The part of the comment that can be construed as offensive is the fact that "whore" is used.
If Randi Rhodes had said f'ing asshole, I would not have a problem with it at all. In fact I would agree with the discription. One problem that has come out several times this race is the appearance of sexism when people use gender specific derogatory terms. It is something that needs to be addressed, because it does in some ways demean a whole gender.
On the other hand, I do not know the context of how Randi used the phrase. If the word whore were used to describe clinton's behavior in a specific instance, the phrase may be relavant (although an unfortunate choice of wording). For example, when Clinton lavishes praises on McCain while attacking Obama I could say: Hillary Clinton is whoring herself to the republican party to better her chances of running again in 2012 by proping up McCain and nocking down Obama. In this case the only thing offensive about using the word whore would be that it would be degrading to whores by comparing them to Hillary Clinton.

Calling someone an asshole does not demean a whole sex or race or religion without a number of additional adjectives.

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Make your own judgement Kevin. Its pretty stupid..and really not funny. Reminds me of the Michael Richards meltdown. Which was racist and stupid as well. He got what he deserved.....so should Ms. Rhodes

http://mydd.com/story/2008/4/2/172635/7118

One problem that has come out several times this race is the appearance of sexism when people use gender specific derogatory terms. It is something that needs to be addressed, because it does in some ways demean a whole gender.

The use of "whore" in political discourse, when spoken in reference to women, is misogynistic, in my opinion. Misogyny is alive and well and simply agreeing with why Rhodes used the term doesn't justify its use. There's plenty of other words that can be used in re HRC and Ferraro. Rhodes made a particularly poor choice, comedy or no.

Let's take a hypothetical to put this in perspective. Had Karl Rove used the term "fucking whore" to describe HRC in a private fundraiser, would those who are OK with it coming from Rhodes, still be OK with the use of the term?

Truth hurts.

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