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PA Poll Positions: SUSA Poll Fact or Foil?
There have been quite a few posts referring to the Survey USA (SUSA) PA poll showing Hillary with a massive 18% lead over Obama. In light of the others polls that have come out this week which show Hillary with only a single-digit lead (and in one case tied), this SUSA seems a bit off, to say the least. However, I suggest we take the long view. These number, like everything else, only make sense in context.
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I have been updating this graph for a few weeks now. Hillary's points are plotted in orange, and Obama's in blue. There are two fit lines. The polynomial regression line (with 6 orders) plots the best fit (see the r-squared values for goodness of fit), while the darker line plots the mean of the last 5 data points. These are just two different ways to bring order to the chaos. Refer to the one you like best.
What we see is that over the past 6 months, Hillary has maintained her support, while Obama has picked up support as other candidates have dropped out and as PA has gotten to know him. What is most amazing, to me, is the deficit that Obama had to overcome. In 6 months, he has moved from 14% to about 42%.
Now, to point. The SUSA poll doesn't look like an outlier when seen in perspective of time. Each poll has a margin of error, and I suspect that the SUSA poll just happened to put Hillary at the top of the error range and Obama towards the bottom. I can't know that for sure, obviously, but the values don't particularly stand out (FYI, the point mostly in question is the one that appears right under Clinton's name on the chart).
So, I don't think the SUSA poll is an outlier. I also don't think that it is any more predictive than the rest. It is just part of the distribution of polls. When all are brought together, the picture is much clearer. Context is key.











Comments (6)
OK, the chart didn't link. I apologize.
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April 9, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
You might like to check out the interesting updated analysis of the Quinnipiac poll on pollster.com - they're showing that Obama's inceasing support in PA is coming from college educated white voters.
"Obama now leads Clinton among college educated white voters by 12 points (54% to 42%), representing a net 19-point reversal since mid March. However, while Obama's performance among white voters without a college degree is slightly better than in mid-March, Clinton continues to lead among non-college educated whites by a two-to-one margin (62% to 31%) -- roughly the same margin as in mid-February.
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/update_pennsylvania_results_by.php
April 9, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
How come these graphs of poll data over time always look like one of those blurry photos of the Loch Ness monster? Or two airplanes approaching the same runway at the same time?
April 9, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
"So, I don't think the SUSA poll is an outlier."
Nonsense. I've spent a lot of years working with advanced mathematics, and this published result IS numerically distant from the other published results and, therefore, is clearly an outlier. Man, it amazes me as to how hard people will work in order to pretend or to convince that Hillary is doing better than she really is ...
April 10, 2008 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you think I'm trying to make Hillary look better, you are sorely mistaken. I'm just trying to see what's before my eyes. If you look at the graph, the numbers aren't that far out there when compared to the rest. The number for Obama was just a few points lower than the others, within the other polls' margin of error. The number for Hillary was just a few points higher than some of the other recent polls. Taking into consideration the differing models and methodologies, and the entire trend, I don't think anyone should make a big deal about the SUSA poll.
If you don't agree, that's fine. But you err in suggesting that I am trying to make Hillary look better than she is. I'm just trying to get a picture of the state of PA.
April 10, 2008 1:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a math major with minor in stats as well as a BSEE.
I'm not going into the math of this as I don't want to embarrass you.
Nonetheless, did you wonder why all the polls in NH were so wrong and far off. These are the same polls you're lending credence to here. You might want to take a second look why this so-called outlier may in fact be closer to reality. Their numbers just didn't fit your bias.
April 10, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
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