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Obama loses another debate. All media further lose relevance.

I'm comfortable with Obama answering the White House phone at 3 a.m. — as long as he's not also in the middle of a debate.  

The kind of debate he would prefer to have — one in which he would be able to exhibit himself as someone thoughtful, honest, forthright, prepared, open to the other side's opinion, etc. — is not the debate he's offered.  What he's offered is an embarrassing romp through the shit-for-brains, lead-to-nothing "talking points" that <b>still</b> pass for politics in the media.  

Why he doesn't accept what <b>is</b>, and then intelligently, forcefully move on to do something effective about it (change his approach or change the debate) — after all, he could -- I don't know.  But I don't like it.  It's as though he's thinking, "I'll do it my way and win anyway."  While he most likely will win the nomination, even doing debates his way, his refusal to change how he debates — how many has been in by now? — smacks of arrogance.  

Meanwhile, back at the media ranch, what news anchors, pundits and commentators across the media spectrum <b>still</b> don't get is that the vast majority of the voting and non-voting public is getting less interested by the minute in what Obama correctly calls "distractions."  

And while it may be amusing, sometimes informative, occasionally enlightening for an increasing number of people, including myself, to discuss or debate one thing and another in fora such as this, the vast and wider public could give a flying fuck about our "discussions."  

There <b>are</b> answers to the problems that are biting more and more of us in the ass.  But no media is succeeding in imposing the kind of political discussion necessary to adequately examine a single one of them.  

Obama lost last night's debate.  It will likely have no effect in his polling numbers.  Clinton won the debate, but because it is becoming increasingly inglorious to win such debates, it might even lower her polling numbers.  

And the real debate?  Has it even started?


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Mrs. Clinton embarrassed herself, her misguided supporters and the entire Democratic Party last night. Her mean-spirited and petty distorted accusations regarding Obama's passing acquaintance with a Mr. William Ayers was right out of the GOP right wing dirty tricks playbook. How many outright racists and nutjobs has Mrs. Clinton sat on committees with when she was First Lady of Arkansas and First Lady of the U.S.? Were all the people she's known in her lifetime saints? Is she to be held personally responsible for every word and every action that everyone she's met, known, spent time with, associated with or sat on a committe with uttered since the day they were born? Based on her knowingly false implications regarding Mr. Obama knowing Mr. Ayers, she most certainly should be! This was Mrs. Clinton at her worst. A conniving, manipulative, dishonest and desperately ambitious politician falsely attacking her opponent because she is losing to him. Last night, she exemplified everything I loathe and reject about politics and politicans. She showed her true colors. She demonstrated what she is capable of being. She revealed her black heart.

Yes, yes, yes, osage, but what does any of this have to do with what I wrote?

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In all honesty, I believe there was two losers: ABC for the bashing of Senator Obama with the support of HRC.

Senator Obama managed to send his support of change, unity...

And Clinton was forced to admit that Senator Obama was electable...
This is what the voters will remember, and her guilt by association with ABC will reflect on the polls...


He does not need to change the way he debates. The point he made last night about how foolish got cha politics is was a good one. he is not losing the debate he is changing it. He is not debating about his foolish statement or Clinton's. He is aserting that we should not be distracted by this sort of foolishness. People are smart enough to get that argument. They have proved it time nad again with their reactions to the debates. The pundidts say she won but the veiwers say he won. That is because the viewers are smarter than the pundidts and know that the debate has changed. Last night Obama made clinton look like a petulent child being scolded by a skillfull mentor. That is a win. He will do the same to McCain.

My support of Obama does not include making excuses for him.

If you think last night's performance is anything near what he could do -- and needs to do to raise the level of political discourse -- you really have drunk the Kool-Aid.

As I wrote, he needs to learn how to better debate the kind of bullshit questions he gets and/or he needs to change the kind of debate the msm presents him. He's capable of doing either or both.

This isn't about Obama winning or losing debates. It's about raising the level of politics so that some of the shit flying around this planet hits earth, and some of the dreams take off.

Don't lower the bar. The more that's demanded of Obama, the better he'll perform. The more he demands of others, the better they'll perform. The more we demand of each other, the better we'll perform.

I am not lowering the bar. I tthink he is doing exactly what you recomend and geting beter at it all the time. He smils and dismisses a question as irrelevant then if pressed gives an answer that makes the questioner look foolish. He called BS when they asked him BS questions and did the same when they asked Sen Clinton about Snipergate. He takes the high ground and makes his oponent look like a craven conartist. This method has won him 2 of 3 nominating contests so far and will win him an election in the fall.

We have a difference of opinion. Let's leave it at that.

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