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Obama Just Won
Hillary and McCain are stupid, stupid stupid.
How do you walk into this trap?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow&eurl=http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Because Obama's not "finished," as much as Hillary and McCain wish he was.
The minute Hillary started parroting Sean Hannity, I knew it was over.
Seriously.
You're going to argue that Obama is out of touch?
That people in this country aren't bitter?
Let me spell it out in case you didn't get it the first fucking time:
We're mad as Hell at Politic as usual, and we aren't going to take it any more.
Not from the Clintons. Not from McCain.
That's why Obama is winning, and that's why we will have a real Democratic revolution that will be remembered for years to come.
So, all you stragglers who cynically post against populist values: Either get on the train, or get out of the way.


Comments (133)
Oh my ... that's quite a clip.
I think you're right ... he was like a bear pretending to have stepped into a trap ... and when Senator & Senator McClinton came along taunting "gotcha gotcha gotcha" he ate their lunch.
April 12, 2008 1:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree completely...!
Obama Complete Response: http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBWx9
When I hear people say “...threatening, empty suit, no ideas, or change what...!?!? I go ballistic, either you're not listening or your incapable of understanding.
Mr. Obama is the real deal, he has advisers not handlers, he is the smartest guy in the running and...our only hope of transcending our countries recent decline to something truly awe inspiring, we can change the world...!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow
You can tell which one is a president and which two are politicians.
Wow....the blowback to come is going to be a bitch Ms. Hillary.
Obama just KO'd Ms. Hillary and McCain with one mighty breath.
This man never ceases to amaze me.
April 12, 2008 7:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Slick try, Obama. Didn't work.
Better get some Tanya Harding action going on HRC.
April 12, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anybody read these except the same Obama zealots?
The posts are usually echo chamber.
April 12, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
They are always echo chamber.
April 12, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080412/ap_on_el_pr/obama_clinton_11;_ylt=AgOJ0pPxyuxwTA6BPMagEB8E1vAI
Go read this and tell me what he won. Read Clinton's comments today and tell me how you feel.
April 12, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I was raised with Midwestern values and an unshakable faith in America and its policies," she said. "Now, Americans who believe in the Second Amendment believe it's a matter of constitutional right. Americans who believe in God believe it's a matter of personal faith.
"I grew up in a church-going family, a family that believed in the importance of living out and expressing our faith. The people of faith I know don't 'cling' to religion because they're bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich.
"Our faith is the faith of our parents and our grandparents. It is a fundamental expression of who we are and what we believe."
"People don't need a president who looks down on them," she said. "They need a president who stands up for them."
April 12, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny how the lively snark sort of dries up when you see your guy take a right cross.
April 12, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I gotta disagree about the right cross. Hillary's not capable of anything other than a knee to the groin or a kidney punch. When I hear her stand there, with her 109 million dollars, and call Obama an "elitist" and accuse him of being "out of touch" I've gotta laugh. She epitomizes everything thing that's wrong with the Democratic Party. And here is where she really tips her opportunistic, phony triangulating hand:
"I was raised with Midwestern values and an unshakable faith in America and its policies," she said. "Now, Americans who believe in the Second Amendment believe it's a matter of constitutional right."
So now she's a winger, right? Gonna march right out and join the NRA first thing tomorrow. God, she's such a phony. It just blows me away that people are taken in by her vacuous crap.
April 12, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not sure where you get all your confidence from, other than few people replied to your greatness within the two hours you posted it.
I think you can attribute the esteemed response of McClinton and pals as hyperbole. Nowhere does Obama claim that small town voters are basing their preferences because they are bitter - only that they vote on the things they know are straight forward, easy to define.
AKA: they "cling" to their guns, religion, and nationalism when they vote. This is not saying that they only have those things because they are bitter. It is all they can count on as being real "meat and potatoes" in an election. Even the nationalism is a joke being sold to them by politicians. Only guns and religion are held up as solid platforms with verifiable results.
Economic voting is a great parody played at the expense of those working to create the system. It has been that way for decades, and will likely continue. Politicians offer free soda and pizza parties at lunch, but they lack the power to actually produce those results.
Look at Clinton. How many jobs did she promise to create for the great state of NY? 5 million? Another pizza party that never materialized.
April 12, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jesuitical.
April 12, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
How can Hillary "stand up" for anybody when she's down in her bunker taking cover?
April 12, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I don't know why he backed off his original comments. He should have kept hitting Hillary and McCain hard. I think it's probably not his style, and probably not even a campaign tactic that he personally approves of. But it sure was great to see him smack those to hypocritical jackasses around a bit. Oh, well. Fun while it lasted...
April 12, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
o_o Do bears actually do that?? Maybe Colbert's right and they really are preparing to conquer us...
April 12, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is just as big a fraud as McSame. I really wonder what's wrong with people who thought she was legit. I can watch vids of her in Arkansas and tell she's full of shit.
I hope this puts her away.
April 12, 2008 1:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, that's right, Sean.
McCain's campaign is about continuing the Republican/Bush policies. It's as if his campaign hasn't noticed that after 7+ years of Bush (aided by 6 years of a Republican-controlled Congress) 81% of the country feels we're on the wrong track.
And Clinton's campaign, during a change election, has decided to run on experience, touting Hillary as the ultimate Washington insider and wonk? But somehow, she's also a working-class, blue collar heroine who promoted NAFTA??
You know, Sean, Obama may not use as much of the populist rhetoric as Hillary or John Edwards, but it seems like he is a real populist candidate. Because he understands how powerful a large coalition of "ordinary folks" can be, he has used his background as a grassroots organizer to build this campaign. He's not fabulously wealthy, doesn't have family connections or a privileged background, and his campaign is financed by over a million contributors, with an average donation of $96! This alone makes his a history-making campaign, no?
April 12, 2008 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. People are waking up. They are tired of the same old promises, that turn into lies, while the politicians seem not to care.
Obama broke out today... he cut right to the chase.
I really can't believe Hillary and McCain thought it would be a good idea to attack Obama for speaking the truth.
April 12, 2008 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
And now you see your fearless leader deeply regretting his words. He must be quite a disappointment, screwing that perfect trap up and all. Guess we'll be waiting for him to win a little longer, SC.
April 12, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's *counting* on average citizens to stay involved after the election, for pressure from the people to push through reforms. If that's not a populist, I don't know what is.
April 12, 2008 4:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can we stop with that myth? When she was promoting NAFTA, it was just words. In her heart, which is what matters, she was against it.
April 12, 2008 7:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think she was being sarcastic. She agrees with you.
April 12, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ooooops. (Wiping egg from face.) Never mind.
April 12, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you're right.
I've thought so ever since the "race speech", as a matter of fact. I was stunned when Mike Huckabee defended both Obama and Wright, but I got to thinking afterward that it made sense for genuine Christians to be forgiving to an overexuberant minister in the way that the Fox bobbleheads would not be.
Huckabee got all those votes in the Bible Belt primaries for a reason, you know.
Another thing about Huck. He was the first person to bring up the sense of bitterness that Obama was talking about. It was months ago in the Republican debates and it was one of the reasons he started picking up momentum and ended up winning the Iowa caucuses. He was still winning some states with big margins when he had no money and no chance of winning the nomination.
How in God's name did the other two not see this?
McCain especially. Clinton is still guided by Mark Penn who I'm sure believes that bitter people don't matter, but this time McCain really showed the Republican base he's not one of them.
That's gonna cost him big time.
April 12, 2008 2:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
When can we expect Obama to deliver the historic “Speech to Heal Our National Bitterness”?
JK, but this is not about people being bitter. It’s ostensibly about classism but with xenophobic and racial stereotypes mixed in. Obama expressed an elitist view almost painting rural PA Dems as red necks. He is being given a pass on this as far as real political smearing goes.
His statements (abridged from HUffpo transcript): “Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy’…when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government …delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama...then that adds another layer of skepticism […]they cling to…antipathy to people who aren't like them…”
Those remarks could be read as obliquely implying that those white country folks are racist because they’re poor, which doesn’t exactly boost Obama’s post-racial unity cred all that much, but he gets a pass for the most part. He stumbled, speaking to a select demographic without his PC filter. His remarks don’t really mean that he is elitist or racist or anything else, but it is a political blunder and it isn’t a smear for Clinton or McCain to raise the issue.
It is all politics, but the double standards (Clinton rules) are objectionable. The media will keep fueling the daily gotcha attacks feeding the spin cycle while the Dem campaigns are forced to play tit for tat, but when it reaches a tipping point, maybe those who casually paint Clinton as racist and a pathological liar who’ll do anything to win will tone it down a bit. Maybe the Dems will stop eating their own and focus on an establishment media that is spectacularly slanted and dysfunctional. Doubtful.
April 12, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lordy did he hit that one out of the park or what?!
I went to a party earlier tonight wondering how much the MSM would try to use the "bitter" comments as fodder for their latest crisis of the campaign moment and how Obama would respond. I just got back and watched that clip...damn if he just didn't aikido this thing right back at Clinton and McCain and FoxNews.
April 12, 2008 3:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, he didn't hit anything out of the park, he misled and tried to spin what he said.
The thing he said that was so damaging wasn't that people are bitter, and want change. He said that people are bitter, and as a consequence cling to their religion or guns or xenophobia.
Religious people don't like being told they're religious because of their bitterness, rather than their faith. Gun people believe it is their fundamental constution-enshrined right to bear arms, not something they do because they're bitter.
Obama screwed up, and he's desperately trying to spin. You lot are eating it up because, well, you'd probably cheer if he robbed your grandmothers. Those that are on the fence won't be fooled so easily, however.
April 12, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
You misread/hear you mean.
He was talking about people cling to the things that mean the most to them when they vote because the economic populists are big fat liars.
A vote for the right to bear arms is straight forward. A vote for an economic bailout tends to be convoluted, and the results hard to identify.
A vote against gay marriage, or "for the defense of marriage" or against abortion and so on are easy things to understand and measure.
April 12, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Comes so close to saying religion is the opium of the masses, doesn't it?
April 12, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually that is exactly it, not just close to it.
April 13, 2008 12:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
The truth is, this isn't the everyday bad economy that the non "incumbent" always brings up during the campaign.
This is a really bad one.
And now you have the 100 million dollar candidate, and the one who's wife is worth considerably more coming out and saying nobody's bitter. Everything's great. You need to work harder.
He can spin this very easily in his favor over the next week.
April 12, 2008 3:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
And also, like i've said before. If the other candidates come out a blazing about a comment you make that gets attention, it's just politics, and it is surely not a big deal.
If the other candidates don't say anything about some "controversy" (like Wright), than it's a real controversy.
April 12, 2008 3:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
My fav was when both Hillary Clinton and John McWarmonger acted as if Obama is insane. You know, sort of like – “shhhhh! Don’t wake them and tell them they're bitter, fer gawds sake!”
I'm thinking that the meme on Monday w/Joe Scar etc and the Faux Noise crew will be that Obama is starting a class war.
April 12, 2008 3:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
In addition to longstanding social injustices and economic problems, the psyche of our society, the foundation of our country, was wounded on 9/11, and has been beaten mercilessly even since.
Sometimes history calls for a great leader. Sometimes they rise up, sometimes they don't.
I believe this time one has.
April 12, 2008 4:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I will say it.
Hillary is FUCKED!
Yes Obama is right, we are where we are, the people's struggles and the possible demise of America as we knew it, has happened under 8 years of Clinton and 12 years of Bushes!
April 12, 2008 7:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has guts (and balls) to stick with his guns while the entire status quo tries to mobilize and fabricate attacks against him.
He may end up being our best president yet.
Yes We Can!
April 12, 2008 8:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. Right out of the park.
April 12, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, my wife pointed out the strangest part about this turnabout that Obama pulled off, perhaps in spite of himself: Hillary is going around sounding like she is Ms. Jolly Sunshine Happiness Hope, and he's going around sounding like Mr. I'm a Fighter and I'm Pissed Off. In other words, a total role reversal. And one that would seem to be favorable to Obama, because Hillary's angry rhetoric seemed to be working pretty well. Now the cherubic Obama is the guy who's mad as hell and going to stick up for the pissed-off people. I'd like to believe that he's so smart he really did draw them into this intentionally. In any case, he has shown the intelligence to parry an attack and turn it back on his opponents.
April 12, 2008 9:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I noticed that as well, but it's not a total role reversal. He's fighting for change, but she comes off sounding like she just hopes that things are fine the way they are.
April 12, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
To my ear, Hillary always comes off sounding like she's selling Girl Scout cookies to senior citizens. And she really does need to lose that Vanna White arm sweep thing.
April 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep my mum (in UK) linked me the comment from You tube and over my morning java I just smiled. Last night I misjudged and got "bitter" over a comment I frankly butchered. I am a bit abashed this morning to say the least. I should know better living among young military, and in a region of the country that has been raped constantly by the religion, race, abortion and gun issues for years. I abhor Lott and his ilk. They have ruined this area. Katrina's scars are evident to me daily. Meanwhile the very Politicians that run on wedge issues are busy filing their pockets, chasing hookers or trying to put innocent Governors in jail. I have to be cautious as a military officer in my political leanings, very cautious but when I get the chance I will with every scarp of eloquence I posess try to tell people Obama is for real.
April 12, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm surprised and interested. Why do feel you have to be cautious? Is the idea you don't want to be seen as indoctrinating the troops, or do you think your political views will be unacceptable to your superiors, or what? Pretty cryptic comment. Care to elaborate?
April 12, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's part of the culture. Regulations forbid officers to speak ill of the President and the principle of subordination of the military to civilian authority permeates the culture. Many officers are even reluctant to discuss elections because they could end up criticizing someone who end up being president. There's also a concern over the possibility that an officer or noncom will misuse his or her authority to coerce subordinates or have undue influence over their voting.
I know former officers (ring knockers--i.e. academy grads) who've been out for decades and still can't bring themselves to get into, or even be around, discussions about presidential elections or people saying derogatory things about the President. (Contrary to Republican myth, that included Bill.) It's like an inhibition.
April 12, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great Videos for the Obmaa Kool-Aid Drinkers:
http://redstate.com/stories/archived/super_happy_obama_fun_time_videos
April 12, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
RedState?
I just love the banner ads on RedState for the Conservative Book Club. Pick any 3 including the latest from Coulter, Hannity, and O'Reilly.
Which 3 did you choose, Fringe Player?
April 12, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is something in Obama's style vaguely akin to watching judo or aikido. He has a knack for seeming to be on his heels, then putting his opponent on his back.
Funny, funny, funny. As I watch this, Hilldawg's on CNN and the anchors are saying she's 'dealing with the fallout from the "bitter" comment.'
How strange to see this less than a day after hearing what's-her-face on Lou Dobbs going on about 'Obama's attack on small-town America.'
Judo...CHOP!
April 12, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok you linked a video from redstate? Lmao are you serious the same blog the believes the South is still "occupied"...truly you are a complete hackneyed quack. You can troll these boards all you want doesnt change the fact you have zero credibility or integrity whatsoever.
April 12, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Look, he didn't say it the way you are implying he did.
He said it in a way to belittle people who are out of work , Religious and like to hunt.
I'm not saying he is finished, but this will and should hurt him.
April 12, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree. He did not say it to "belittle" anyone. Only people who were predisposed to be his "little enemies" interpret it the way you do, sir.
April 12, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
That video has been viewed over 100,000 times now. Per the NY Times, Hillary and Bill plan multiple appearances today plus a press conference with "small town mayors" == they will spend the day denouncing and rejecting, in high dudgeon and full cynical outrage mode. I hope (and expect) Obama will not let up. His response was magnificent.
April 12, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
150,000 + now. and its only 11:50 am
April 12, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's response is pretty amazing. It's almost like he set this whole thing up, knowing Drudge/Clinton/McCain would bite.
He's got them all telling the populace they don't feel their pain.
April 12, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brilliant! Rock on, Obama!!!
April 12, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brilliant! Rock on, Obama!!!
April 12, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Fringe be honest here how many times a night do you have MM on Coulter fantasies. Come on open up dude its ok truly it is.
April 12, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Er, excuse me interrupting the "it's a winner" festival, but from the end of the A.P. article:
April 12, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
"But I think you're on dangerous ground when you morph that into suggesting that people's cultural values whether it's religion or hunting and fishing or concern about trade are premised solely upon those kinds of anxieties and don't have a legitimate foundation independent of that."
The problem with Bayh's assertion here, is that it is completely false. Obama never suggested this, and his or Hillary's lawyerly twisting around of Obama's words is obvious for what it is, another Hillary camp lie.
Please tell me that you have never in you lifetime seen the Republicans push the god, guns, gays, and immigrants issue to get rural poor people to keep voting Republican, year after year, even though it has always been against their own interests? Seriously, people, you need to stop doing the GOP's work for free.
April 12, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
What the penguin in women's underclothes said.
I think the term for the McClinton response is hyperbole.
Definition of hyperbole: A figure of speech in which deliberate exaggeration is used for emphasis.
April 12, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure Billy UCMJ says we cannot overtly criticize President. He is our CoC so yes I have to be careful.
April 12, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Got it. Thanks.
April 12, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly Obama did not mean ALL people in his comments.
Are we children? Can we at least agree to use common sense in assessing his words?
Of course ALL people don't turn to religion because of bitterness.
Come on, people. If that's what you're implying, or parsing out, then that's asinine.
April 12, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, not children. Disingenuous BS artists.
I hope the keep it up. It makes their sides (Clinton, McCain) look like the cynical, manipulative politicians they are. They're the elitists who think that the average voter is too stupid to know better.
And I hope Obama keeps up with his response.
April 12, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama said people turn to their base beliefs when they vote because they are bitter about economic populist politicians. It is a stretch to interpret that he said people turn to religion, etc. because of bitterness.
Their votes are driven by bitterness and then based on things that are clear and easy to understand. The economy is not clear and easy to understand - whether you are well educated or not.
April 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
How are Obama's comments condescending? OF course, that characterization is never explained...because they aren't.
April 12, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
The very word "cling" is pejorative!
April 12, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you used the word pejorative to define "cling", you are off course in understanding what was said (perhaps intentionally).
Sometimes they call that over-interpreting.
April 12, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
As in, they're staring into the abyss, and they cling to the only thing the Govt lets them do any more: go to church and have guns?
Yeah, how dare he use the word "cling" as if people are desperate!
April 12, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Notice to DLC Dinos and NeoCons; take a look at real leadership and be very, very,afraid. Truth is Krytonite to all you holier-than thou,weak-kneed triangulatin MFers. B.O.'s finally had enough of this "play nice" shit and he's tossin so much truth it's just blowin your feeble little minds.It's you "out of touch,elitist,anti-american"dirtbags and your corporate media masters who think Real Americans don't want/can't handle being talked to as intelligent adults.Well your head-down lets not offend the Rethugs and their dlc cronies shit is all thru. Time for you to watch in dismay as Obama combines his teaching/community organizer skills to rally the masses of working poor that you've spent the last 25 yrs pissing all over. I admit that I had concerns about Barack's ability to fight the smear-n-fear tactics of McCain/Clinton08 but each time they attack he just gets better/faster/stronger! I never thought I'd say this but thanks, Hillary, for helping make Obama an even better candidate. Yes We F#ckin Can!!
April 12, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I admit I have trouble saying things clearly enough to be heard in the reverb of echo chamber, but maybe you will all be able to hear this.
How would you like to be an Obama-declared super delegate from a rural community today?
April 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh! Oh!
ME! ME! ME!
After his initial statement, and his followups, it's obvious he's telling it like it is.
People in rural areas (I come from one, I know first hand) are bitter. They're bitter about the promises of economic turnaround from manipulative politicians, politicians who then jerk the God/guns/gays chain when the economic promises turn into tax cuts for the rich and companies leaving their hometowns.
Maybe those who always heel when the God/guns/gays (abortion/immigrants/cut'n'run) chain is jerked will not see the meaning in Obama's statements, but they're not the ones who're likely to vote for a Democrat anyway. The rest are nodding their heads in recognition -- unless they're desperately clinging to the hope that Clinton will show she's no elitist (really a good ol' gal, like hunting and fishing and bowls well and loves the comfort that millions of dollars provides).
I guarandamntee you Obama will win Michigan in November if he puts his response in an ad.
April 12, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reponse in an ad? Telling response Bat.
April 12, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh... ?!? (said in a comically affected way, with raised eybrow) How so?
How DASTERDLY it would be for Obama to use a... CAMPAIGN AD!
April 13, 2008 2:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
What possible difference could it make? You think rural voters don't understand EXACTLY what he was saying? You think they don't agree? Hillary and McCain are trying to turn this into an outrage, but it's not gonna play in PA. That's for certain. They like Obama, and the know all about Hillary's problem with the truth and her 109 million bucks. And they're not buying her "populist" crap for a second.
The whole country's got Hillary's number. She's a phony.
April 12, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go find a party Inde whatever...leave Democrats alone.
April 12, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
You seem to forget, Chris, that the GE is where every American votes.
Just because they do not wear a big D on their shirt sleeve, does not mean that they are not interested in this race. Somehow I think you would be mighty pleased if the GE resulted in a mass turn-out for a Dem president regardless of party.
You would quit your isolationist jibber real quick.
This country belongs to you and me, so don't mind if we all play a part.
April 12, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
But..but...Hillary says that people are happy and smiling ear to ear getting screwed over and losing their homes and not being able to pay for food and gas. They love it! Take it from her, no one knows rural blue collar workers like Mrs. $109 million Hillary Clinton! I'm sure she had a lot of the same problems when she was sitting on the corporate board of Wal-Mart.
Poor Hillary, working class hero.
April 12, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
In her bunker, spewing bunk.
April 12, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama was right on the money with this response. Unfortunately, he watered it down a bit today. I was ready to watch him take Clinton and McCain apart, but he backed off. I just don't think it's his style to go that route. I'm sure he'll do fine, but I was kind of enjoying watching the "fired up" Obama givin' 'em hell.
April 12, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Instead, he took one in the groin. She's whipping him like she's his momma.
April 12, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Before Hillary 'whips' anybody, she's going to have to pluck the wedgie out of her pantsuit.
And put ice on her swollen Pinocchio nose.
April 12, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really? I don't see it.
I still see a desperate Hillary trying to win a must-win state.
To be brutally honest, Obama doesn't HAVE to do anything. He can sit back, and watch Hillary self destruct.
I do agree with Bionic Soy and hrebendorf: a fired up Obama kicks ass.
Maybe we need to kick him in the shin to get him fired up again...
April 12, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whether he's fired up or not, he's an inspiration. And he's gonna be a great president.
April 12, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pennsylvania and Indiana will tell the tale.
We'll see what the voters think. Be interesting to see if she and Bill can just shut up and take the nomination home.
As a Clintonista, the way I see it is Obama has made his values an issue again.
He's already told us he shares the values of a prophetic religion that expresses the bitterness of black people. He's also said that rural white voters cling to their religion out of bitterness.
She has now said that she clings to her religion out of faith, not bitterness, and believes rural white voters do, too.
If the polls show that the rural voters got that message, she'll coast. If not, she'll make it a little clearer.
I don't see how the collision of values could be any clearer.
Obama projected his own bitterness onto rural white voters.
If she can get that message across, he's hurt bad.
April 12, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
You've read it all wrong.
If you want to understand Obama's stance on "Values", read the chapter titled "Values" in "The Audacity of Hope". It's all there.
April 12, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sell that to the value voters. Don't listen to what I just said. Go read my book where I'm not bitter.
April 12, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm glad you're so smug about this. It'll be satisfying to think about you when he wins PA
April 12, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is going to tell them what his values are, not Clinton or McCain. He wrote two books about it in detail. I think he knows his way around the subject.
April 12, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama projected his own bitterness onto rural white voters."
No. He didn't. And they know it. They understand what you don't. I know these people. When Hillary tells them that they're positive and that they're fighters, SHE'S the one who's talking down to them. You've never lived in the Rust Belt. These people are not so easy to bullshit. Hillary thinks she can stand up there in her designer pantsuit and her pearls and talk about her "cottage" when she was a kid, and these Pennsylvanians are thinking, "Funny, I never had a 'cottage' when I was a kid." They're not voting for her because they think she's one of them. They're voting for her because they fell for her lie about having "experience."
Hillary is totally clueless when it comes to the middle class. She doesn't care about them and she doesn't understand them. She just needs their votes. Once she gets those votes, the voters go back to being invisible, and she and Bill go back to flying off to Columbia on a private jet provided by one of their millionaire buddies. That's why her campaign can so easily write off the states where she's lost: because in truth, NONE of the voters matter except for their votes.
Hillary is making a big mistake. She thinks she can campaign successfully as a "populist." Well, it didn't work for John Edwards, and it won't work for her either. People in Pennsylvania aren't stupid. They know what kind of car she drives. They know what kind of a mansion she lives in. They've seen her tax returns. They aren't gonna buy this new, improved, populist Hillary for a second.
April 12, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
We shall see.
April 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can't come up with anything snarkier than that?
April 12, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
You've never lived in the Rust Belt. These people are not so easy to bullshit.
Does Benton Harbor count or do I have to live in Detroit?
April 12, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "value voters" that don't take kindly to bullshit seem to be eating Clinton, the blue-collar heroin of Tuzla right up. Something doesn't click.
April 12, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever that means?
April 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a reply to the wiener. Try to keep up. Just joking. Thread is getting narrow.
April 12, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, bullshit. You wish.
April 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really? Who's whipping who?
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=RyhIBXNfqMA
April 12, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
The thing is that he has to follow up or the sound bite machine will take over, and probably not in his favor.
April 12, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink