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Newsbreak: Reagan Democrats Are Not Democrats

RMN devised the the Southern Strategy in 1968... in 1980, Reagan appropriated the white-bigot vote -- the so-called Reagan Democats.  In 2008, HRC is depending on the white-bigot vote to steal the Democratic nomination from decent, anti-bigot progressives. What Obama has achieved is a coalition of voters who vigorously reject the bigot vote of 1968 and 1980....


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You sir, promote a kind of divisive and a democratic elitist politics that has no place in either the Clinton or Obama message. Bigot or no bigot, they are part of the electorate. The Democratic nominee will need all the votes that s/he can get to win the GE.

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Merlot are you saying that all white people south of the Mason Dixon are racists? Your post doesn't really clarify that view one way or another.

Unless you've never heard of the Southern Strategy before, I'm uncertain as to how you could infer that he's in any way implying that all Southern whites are racist. I've re-read his post twice, and I'm still not seeing what you're seeing.

He's saying that any white people who favor Clinton are bigots and Reaganites.

...No, not quite. Not saying I agree with his point because we do need as many voters as possible, but he's saying that Hillary's RELYING on the white bigot vote. Just like Obama's relying on the African American vote, but that doesn't mean that everyone who supports him is African American.

That's exactly how I read it, as well. One can argue his premise, but it makes it much harder to argue constructively if one misrepresents his premise in the process.

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Well, I agree with you. Many of these voters are voting for McCain in the general anyway.

We are totally depending on the conventional models but this primary season (and the GE) will not be conventional. The new voters, and they are not just kids, will change the outcome of this election. They already have, and this is deep support for Obama and the politics he envisions.

To deny that as just delusional kids is a huge mistake. Yes, they didn't come out for Kerry; but they have been coming out for Obama in record numbers, in difficult caucus situations, and with their wallets. We can pretend they don't make a difference, but they do.

A huge difference. One that will take Obama to the White House if Clinton is not allowed to continue to damage him for the GE.

HOpefully the March fundraising numbers and the story they tell will make a difference with the SD's.

I'm confused. I think I know what people mean by Reagan Democrats, but what are Note Democrats, and how does this help the Clintons?

What about us Reagan Democrats who support Obama? We don't quite fit into your neat pigeonholes, do we?

And if you think the 1980 election results were based on bigotry, you really need to get out more.

Frog Leg, I'm so glad you support Obama. I think this illustrates one of the Clinton strategy's weaknesses: she thinks the same Southern Strategy that worked in the 1980s to turn the South from a Democratic to a Republican stronghold will work for her with the 2008 electorate. But Clinton's race-baiting is going to turn off a lot more white voters today than the Reaganites' segregationist dog-whistling did in 1980. For example, today, unlike in 1980, there are probably very few Southern white Democrats who long for the days of segregation.

Southern voters are a lot more ethnically diverse today than they were then, and many Americans (and Southerners) of all backgrounds are much more committed to the ideal and reality of racial equality than were back then. That's part of the reason that today, unlike in 1980, a brilliant African-American politician with an inspiring message of reason and justice is beating an establishment Democrat who has huge name-recognition and is using a shopworn race-baiting strategy.

For example, today, unlike in 1980, there are probably very few Southern white Democrats who long for the days of segregation.

They are no longer the majority they used to be but they are more than few in number. They will not be voting for a democrat anyway so we should not wory about what they think of our candidate.

Good point, Larry.

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What about us Reagan Democrats who support Obama? We don't quite fit into your neat pigeonholes, do we?

And if you think the 1980 election results were based on bigotry, you really need to get out more.

Posted by Frog Leg

Yeah, let's talk about "Welfare Queens" stealing crumbs instead of corporate welfare stealings of billions . . .

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Scofflaw,

Do you live in the south. I do, and if you also live down here, we are clearly moving in different circles. I live in Savannah, GA, one of the most liberal, progressive cities in the south. And yet even here, there is absolutely no race mixing within the lower and middle class socioeconomic demographics. The small number of affluent blacks tend to hang out with whites and eschew their own, and of course, many rich whites don't hang out with any blacks at all, either. The population is indeed more ethnically diverse in that there are many more Asians and Hispanic now than 30-40 years ago. However, neither of those groups is particularly sympathetic to blacks and certainly don't associate with them socially.

I have two masters degrees, yet I spend about half my time in working class bars. Since blacks don't hang out in the same bars as working class whites, there is nothing to restrain what would would otherwise be considered politically incorrect behavior. Even whites who are otherwise liberal, green, intelligent (though generally not highly educated in this crowd) throw around the n-word in a way that is shocking at times (as I grew up in elite manhattan jewish circles). Believe me, whatever Hillary is doing now is going to increase 10-fold during the GE and it will work. I find it very unlikely that Obama can win any major southern state, if any at all. Right now, he is not even polling close in VA. According to Rasmussen:

Since wrapping up the Republican nomination, John McCain has gained ground on his two potential Democratic challengers in many states. Virginia is no exception. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Virginia voters found McCain ahead of Barack Obama by eleven percentage points, 52% to 41%.

Unfortunately, his association with Wright has pretty much doomed him in the GE, as far as I can tell. Even if he repudiates Wright, it's too late to explain away a 20 year love affair with such a lunatic. It's really too bad. I was kind of warming up to the guy and now we are gonna get Gung-Ho Johnny instead. Not that he wouldn't slaughter Hillary worse, but that's not the point. I guess I hold out some slim hope that Obama's charm will win people over in the GE like he has done in the primaries despite Hillary's strong lead in the early polling. But this time around, they all know him. If they haven't come around yet, I think their minds are made up. (In fact, polls show he has clearly lost support among indies since this debacle came to light.) He certainly hasn't made any headway in IN and PA like he did in other states after he did a lot of advertising and speeches. It's really a shame.

Heretic, I do not live in the South -- and your post is making me really glad of that. I'm sheltered. All I know of Southern white people is the nice, liberal, not-racist Southerners I've met, that is, the ones who hang out with foreigners in California and New York. Arguably, those are the ones who couldn't stand living there ...

My speculation about why Clinton's race-baiting strategy isn't working for her doesn't seem to fit well with your experience, that's for sure. I'm not so much saying that racism is dead or will be dead in the foreseeable future (in the South or anywhere) so much as that even people who throw around the N-word in bars (especially the ones who are Democrats) still probably don't necessarily want to see themselves as racist. They might not want to be the white folks who are so prejudiced they'd never vote for a black man. I'm hoping that might blunt the impact of Clinton's race-baiting. For whatever reason -- and I may well be completely wrong about why -- she's still losing to Obama. But if you think the people you know don't think like this, I defer to your greater experience.

As for making headway, all the polls I've heard about this week consistently show that Obama is narrowing down Clinton's lead in PA. There are still 2.5 weeks to go. If not for the NAFTA leak, Ohio woulda been a lot closer ... I hate to think what the Clinton campaign has in its pocket for the weekend of April 19 ...

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