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Nash McNabe: "Why do You Hate the Flag", and how she ended up on ABC
Finally some real journalism:
It concerned the videotape question that was posed by the woman at top, Nash McCabe of Latrobe, Pa. Here's what she asked:
Senator Obama, I have a question, and I want to know if you
believe in the American flag. I am not questioning your patriotism, but
all our servicemen, policemen and EMS wear the flag. I want to know why
you don't.
As I watched her question, what I wondered -- and I
imagine many other viewers wondered as well -- was where on earth did
ABC find this representative of my home state. As a journalist, I kind
of assumed that ABC sent a film crew to western Pa., and then culled
the most provocative questions from the people that they found. Silly
me. In fact, ABC News found Nash McCabe the old-fashioned way -- they
read about her, and her thing with the American flag, in the New York Times earlier this month:
LATROBE, Pa. — Ask whom she might vote for in the coming
presidential primary election and Nash McCabe, 52, seems almost
relieved to be able to unpack the dossier she has been collecting in
her head.
It is not about whom she likes, but more a bill of particulars about why she cannot vote for Senator Barack Obama of Illinois.
“How can I vote for a president who won’t wear a flag pin?” Mrs.
McCabe, a recently unemployed clerk typist, said in a booth at the
Valley Dairy luncheonette in this quiet, small city in western Pennsylvania.
.............
That original New York Times article (by a former Newsday
colleague, Paul Vitello), the one that started this whole ball rolling.
It wasn't really about flag pins or patriotism.
It was about race.
Here's the headline over the picture of Nash McCabe: "In Ex-Steel City, Voters Deny Race Plays a Role."
Vitello writes that he found little support for Obama in Latrobe, and crux of his article is this:
But when dismissing Mr. Obama, voters in this former
steel center, whatever their racial feelings, seem almost compelled to
list their reasons, if only to pre-empt the unspoken race question.
Because he voted “present” too often as an Illinois state
senator. Because he speaks very well, but has not talked about reviving
the coal industry. Because he would not command the respect of the
military. Because there is something unsettling about his perfect calm,
they say.
So, the New York Times is basically stating that many
voters are finding odd or vague reasons not to support a candidate who
president who happens to be black. And without any thought to the
subtext, ABC News plucked one of those reasons and brought it to the
center stage of democracy.
To be extra clear, none of this is a criticism of Nash
McCabe -- my heart goes out to her and her husband, and there is no
evidence here that her views on Obama and the flag, which I personally
think are misguided, are racially motivated.
Instead, it is yet another indictment of ABC News, which
was eager to act is if there's no racial subtext to this election,
other than its question about affirmative action for Obama's "affluent
African-American daughters." Obama's been under fire for the last week
for suggesting that Rust Belt voters -- facing a swirl of feelings
about the economy and "people who don't look like them" -- are wooed by
wedge issues.
ABC's contribution to that discussion: Wooing voters with wedge issues.
Sad.
Philly.com story






Comments (43)
Just want to make sure it's clear, this is an excerpt of the story from Philly.com - Posted by Will Bunch .
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Nash_McCabe_The_rest_of_the_story.html
April 18, 2008 1:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
The NYT story is particularly troubling:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/us/politics/04penn.html?fta=y&pagewanted=print
April 18, 2008 2:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Weird coincidence that this is the article Obama referenced right before his "bitter" comments in San Francisco. In those comments, he was trying to say that he doesn't think it is as much about race as it is about being skeptical of politicians and their promises that some are not receptive to his message and "cling" to wedge issues. It was an argument about Democratic credibility and not about "flaws" of voters.
April 18, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whether her views are racially motivated or not, her flag-pin litmus test is perfect: she is truly a pinhead.
My heart goes out to the rest of us, who have to suffer this type of simple-minded patriotism at the cost of sorting out real issues.
However, I hope that Mrs. McCabe is collecting a pile of these pins. They will be useful to burn in the dead of winter when she can no longer afford to heat her home.
April 18, 2008 4:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Josh Marshall has a more complete article on the front page of TPM, and links to more background here:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/34071.html
This poor woman has had a hard, hard life so far, and she's barely managing to hold her world and her loved ones together. Per a commentator on McClatchy, she's exactly the kind of person Obama was trying to describe (as is What's the Matter with Kansas?). She no longer has hope of help from big corporations, so she votes based on gut-level impressions, in her case defined by what she sees as visible proof of patriotism. Barack Obama is "other," to her--maybe because of his race and maybe not, just as likely because he got to grow up partly in Hawaii, and he got to go to ivy league college, and (to her) he's gotten into the race too quickly and easily, while Clinton really is, to her, a "fighter."
I think the article about McCabe made me understand, better than most Clinton supporters, what is attractive about the HRC brand of a "fighter." To me, it was almost posturing, a way of showing she's tough, a way of showing she won't back down. It didn't make sense to me to fight for the sake of fighting, or that so many people couldn't see that if Obama can accomplish more without these loud, dramatic battles, that was not just more unifying but, frankly, more efficient. But what McCabe seems to be saying--to me, anyway--is that because Hillary has suffered the way so many of her friends and family have suffered, Hillary is more real. And thus more deserving.
In other words, McCabe has struggled against what must feel like attacks from fate, from an uncaring government, etc. And over the Clinton presidency and beyond, McCabe has seen Hillary as the target of right-wing hatred and ugly books and rumors and infidelity. So she can identify with Clinton in ways she cannot identify with Obama. Clinton fits her personal narrative better. Even her "happy family" has shown cracks. Obama, as a guy, doesn't talk much about suffering, and we haven't had a decade plus of seeing him suffer, so she sees the pictures of him, well-off with a beautiful wife and children, and equates him with the other people of privilege--not as in people with money (cerebrally, we all know Clinton makes something like 10 times what Obama does) but as in not suffering.
That's my read on it, anyway. Sorry for the long post. I hope ABC at least paid her for her participation/involvement in their shame of a debate, and that her husband's brain surgery goes well.
April 18, 2008 5:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, yes, she's had a hard life. But from the McClatchy investigation into how she ended up as one of the questioners at the debate:
But to understand why Obama rubs McCabe wrong is to go beyond the question of what a flag pin has to do with patriotism — it's not really about the flag pin, she said in a telephone interview Thursday — and consider McCabe's life. It's no Hawaiian prep school and Ivy League story, unlike Obama's. It's a slice of working-class Pennsylvania, the core of Hillary Clinton's support there.
First off, I thought Obama had attended public school in Hawaii, but maybe I'm wrong about that. But the subtext there...it's all about affirmative action and being "uppity". Sorry, but I can't read it any other way. Maybe I'm being unfair to McCabe, maybe she's not even aware of the racial basis for her "problem" with Obama. But it most definitely does exist. Because for whatever reason, she's not upset about Hillary's white middle-class upbringing and Ivy League education, and somehow seems to believe that Hillary's life has been one of "struggle" - never mind that she lived in the Arkansas Governor's mansion from age 31 to age 45 and the White House from age 45 to 53; since then she's had a rather posh home in New York - the first one she and Bill have ever owned, thanks to their 22 years in "public" housing. McCabe seems upset by Obama's "rocket-like rise to the top" but voices no similar objection to Hillary's rise on her husband's coattails. And not to put too fine a point on it, but Bill Clinton was the same age as Obama when he ran for the White House, yet McCabe voiced no issue with his "rocket-like rise to the top" at the exact same tender young age.
This woman has some deep-seated racist attitudes, whether she owns up to them or even recognizes them or not.
April 18, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jenn
You are so right that 'affirmative action' and 'elitist' are nothing but code words for 'uppity negroe who got ahead on affirmative action'..for Stephanopoulous to feign otherwise is complete disengenuous.
Obama cannot affored to address these issues head on however, as the racist overtones completely block out anything that comes from him. This is where he needs surrogates.
He needs surrogates to dispell the myth that affirmative action helps blacks far moreso than whites. He needs surrogates who obliterate that it is an economic issue as Stephanoupoulous tried to misconstrue it as by making it out to be about 'affluent negroes'.
The truth is that the primary beneficiary of affirmative action are white females. The true affirmative action candidate in this race is Hillary Clinton. Obama needs surrogates who talk about the history of affirmative action and who get the message out to take the black face off of affirmative action.
Not that it will change the racist attitudes that are not going to vote for him but at least they will not be able to continue using afffirmative action as their subterfuge to hide their racist attitude.
After all, surely they want white women to get ahead don't they? You know, their daughters, sisters, aunts, and nieces? Not to mention the woman who raised their pathetic narrowminded asses.
O'Connor kept affirmative action because without it SHE was unable to get a job when she graduated from Stanford Law school in the 50s...no one would hire her because she was female.
The facts need to be set straight on affirmative action.
April 18, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure that Hillary had an easier time being a female, and even if you could establish that she had, it wouldn't help to point it out.
What is true is that people make weird assumption about his upbringing and money making.
Like the Rezko scandal, when everybody says "how can he afford a $1.3m house".
Well, he wrote two great books, they sold well, he made a few million, and he invested in a house. He has two daughters. $1.3m is not ridiculous for a house. It's a good investment. What should he have done with the money?
Last year he made $4.2m, $4m of that was book proceedings. Add the senate salary, and that's it. No strange investments. No odd speaking fees.
And his education. He attended his "prep school" "on scolarship". And his college and law school education was paid through loans.
And this assumption that he's 'young' also strikes me as weird. He's 46. A 46 year old man would not be called 'young'. I think his skin color makes it hard for people to tell how old he is. It's a weird bias. Not a big deal, an Asian man or woman would have the same problem in the US.
April 18, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll share a story that happened at the barber shop just today. It was sad really.
Obama had just visited and the guys there were punting around who had been and who hadn't (Only four of us there, including the barbers). Noone had gone to see him (had to work, couldn't get there) and one of the guys said he didn't trust him and gave a little quip of being afraid of him. It was kinda quiet for a minute, and then they started saying why they didn't like him:
"I want change, but not that kind."
"A guy in here a while ago has someone from Lebanon that works for him, and he said Obama is dangerous." (Why a guy's opinion from Lebanon about a potential US President is taken as gospel is an issue in of itself.)
"I just don't trust that guy."
"Those kids are the ones voting though, and they like him."
"I don't like any of the three running." Lots of grumbles in agreement for that one.
A few more comments and then the conversation got weird and out of the blue:
"Politics has just gotten so correct."
"You can't even say 'watermelon' anymore!" The silence after that blurp was pretty funny though...noone even chuckled.
Odd conversation, quite awkward, but I think that last statement hit the nail on the head. maybe I'm looking too much into it, maybe the old guy was the only one thinking that, but it was a strange thing to say when discussing politics. I mean, really, you blame Obama because people are being more sensitive to racial stereotypes?
Maybe I should have said something, but I think I learned a lot in that five minute span and call me a coward, but I've been told never to argue with a man that has clippers and razors near your face and neck. I paid the man and left, but I think it would probably be best just to start going to a different barber shop from now on.
April 18, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
thanks for sharing that...
April 18, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you have facts to back up your claim about women? Because I find myself highly skeptical.
April 18, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
George Stephanopolous' defense of the debate questions as merely being those that are on the minds of voters is dishonest. Please. All of those first hour innuendo questions where clearly among the right-wing bricks being laid to construct a house narrtive smearing Barack Obama as anti-American. For G.S. to claim otherwise makes him a lier or a fool.
April 18, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
The irony here is after Obama decried the use of stupid symbolic wedge issues that distract from real issues, ABC decides to do a wedge-athon debate of bs "gotcha" and symbolic questions.
David Brooks defended this saying how candidates react to "symbolic issues" is important. Um, no it is not That's exactly the point.
Does anyone else get the feeling the press is mostly run by people with an 12 year old's ability to think rationally (not to say maturity level)?
April 18, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
George defends his idiotic questions? Wow. Shocking. I hear Douglas Feith has some fine things to say about Iraq policy too.
April 18, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Obama wants those votes, all he has to do is wear a flag pin. That's it.
I understand why Obama doesn't want to wear a flag all the time. The constant display of the stars and stripes seems bellicose. It can even be creepy when overdone.
That said, Obama is running for President of the United States. We usually expect someone in the running to eat Chevrolets and shit apple pies. Seeing a presidential candidate without a flag pin is kinda like seeing the CEO of Ford driving around in a Lexus.
Obama can win some extra voters by wearing a flag pin. He thinks he can win over more by not wearing one a making a statement. That's his political calculation, and frankly it's working out pretty well for him.
April 18, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is no "calculation", dude.
Have you seen what happens now when he wears a pin? The media has him in a corner on that issue. If he doesn't, he's not "presidential". If he does, he's "faking it".
He will do all-American things and maybe even get to wearing a flag pin regularly.
But if you'd read the article, especially the NYT, you'd know that these people are bothered by his "unnatural cool" and other such horseshit. It's not just about a flag pin.
Seems like he's held to a weird standard on a lot of these issues, doesn't it?
Does "prejudice" ring a bell?
I'm not saying Hillary or McCain don't. But this is not about the freaking pin. That's all.
April 18, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
He needs to get a tattoo of the American Flag on his chest, I think, and have the procedure televised.
April 18, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's the only way to be sure.
April 18, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
customer0012 says:
"If Obama wants those votes, all he has to do is wear a flag pin. That's it."
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I agree somewhat. He will pick up a lot of them. But those who are hiding their racism behind the flag issue still won't vote for him.
However, I am with you on this issue. I feel someone needs to convey this message to Senator Obama. Sure he took the pin off but once that veteran gave him the pin to wear he should have kept it on. Moreover, he should now make a big deal about having re-considered on the basis of the veteran handing it to him....and start wearing it henceforth.
Like it or not the flag is the only piece of the American dream some folks beleive they have. They work hard and will not ever have the big house, cars, clothes or other trappings of the middle class lifestyle but gosh darnit ..they do have the America that flag represents.
Obama should reconsider this just as he said he reconsidered his position on abortion following his election to the Senate when that Doctor wrote him about his views on abortion. Obama wrote about that in his book and he needs to reconsider the 'flag pin wearing issue' in the same vein.
Can someone get that message to him?
Obama is right some folks are simply not going to vote for him on the basis of race, others simply want to know that he understands their issues and the things they value and the way actions symbolize that to them.
Get thee that flag pin on your label..Senator...and keep it there!!
April 18, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, if he puts one on now it will be seen as just hypocritical expediency.
April 18, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
You aren't the only one, Jenn. Obama was asked last week by a man in one of his audiences, according to what got posted here in comments, whether the elitism thing was really awfully close to calling him uppity.
And the man was white, if that matters.
I dunno - this is one of those stories that has ended up being nothing more than a planned gotcha. The press is trying to take Obama down. Or at least, ABC is, on behalf of the Clintons.
Freaking flag pins - stupid. Yellow flag ribbons - stupid,
the NYT - stupid. ABC - stupid. Hillary Clinton - stupid.
April 18, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has said it before, if its not the flag pin issue, it will be something else, and another thing, and then another thing until nothing is left to for them to dislike other than just Obama -- the man himself.
Obama can TRY to unify as many voters as he can, but he won't be able to get all the voters, and there is nothing we can do about that. But he is betting that he'll be able to pull in so many new, fresh, first-time voters that he will make up for those voters like Mrs. McCabe here who will never vote for someone like Obama -- and it seems to be working.
April 18, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
The next time this comes up Obama simply needs to say, "I don't know. Why don't you ask Senator McCain why he doesn't wear one?"
April 18, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is just pathetic how ABC decided to go out of their way to find "citizen questions" from anyone who was not simply a curious undecided voter.
Think about what would happen if they decided to look at the TPM boards for someone to ask a question and decided that Gotalife or Matt Weaver should get to question Obama or any one of the more aggressive Hillary haters on this site to question her?
By searching for an Obama hater and letter her question his lack of a Flag Pin was basically the same as letting Gotalife as Obama why he is a lier. It was a disgraceful debate.
April 18, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
i couldnt help but notice that McNabe wasnt wearign a flag pin when she asked obama about his lack of one.
She cant vote for a president who doesnt wear a flag pin, yet she herself doesnt wear one.
whats the word here? hypocrite seems too nice...
April 18, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
To be extra clear, none of this is a criticism of Nash
McCabe -- my heart goes out to her and her husband, and there is no
evidence here that her views on Obama and the flag, which I personally
think are misguided, are racially motivated.
Then how do you explain the fact that Obama is the *only* candidate questioned on this?
Hillary doesn't wear a flag pin.
April 18, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, I didn't write this article, the attribution is at the top.
The NYT article seems to suggest that, in this particular town, there seem to be a trend of weird "reservations" about Obama, that everybody claims not to have anything to do with his skin color, but it all kind of reeks to high heaven.
April 18, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, that was more of a rhetorical "you". :)
April 18, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boy, I don't know about Nash McCabe's bitterness quotient, but she's sure got mine up! Everything about her is painful: her life is a wreck, she's been screwed by a system that doesn't care about her and her husband, the nation is squandering its future in George Bush's War, so she lashes out about Barack Obama not wearing a flag pin. Hillary Clinton doesn't wear one either, but McCabe's irrational loathing of a guy who beat all odds to get where he is today -- on the sheer quality of his mind and his super-human political skills -- really makes me want to cry.
Good for ABC News for putting her on the air. She is an object lesson in exactly what Barack Obama was talking about.
I just hope that she appreciates how much President Obama will do for the good of people in her situation, flag pin or not!
April 18, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that it's not really about flag pins. And I for one am GLAD Obama doesn't wear one, now that a fuss has been made; I want a president who doesn't change his actions with whichever way the breeze is blowing. When the vet gave him one, he wore it THAT DAY. Good enough for me.
I also agree that there's probably racism under McCabe's dislike of Obama. Her assumptions about Hillary don't wholly match the facts. But that doesn't make them less invalid to her, or the people in the barbershop described above, and telling them they're racist will just make them defensive, because they are probably honestly decent people who cannot see racism in themselves and would be offended to be accused of such.
That said, the McCabe story made me far more sympathetic/empathic to where she was coming from.
How do we educate people when the real issues are all almost subconscious.
April 18, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
What was it that Samuel Johnson said, something about patriotism and scoundrels?
The flag pin non-issue reminds me of the yellow ribbon magnets on cars, a true show of support for the troops and patriotism. Yet no level of sacrifice, not even having to deal with the residue a bumper sticker would leave behind. So, for one dollar (and no sticky residue) you too can become a patriot and troop supporter, I just can't get my head around why you won't show your support in this way...
April 18, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't resist the urge to irreverancy:
I almost wish that Obama could have answered this question by saying "I don't need to wear a flag lapel pin because I have a tattoo of the American flag on my BIG BLACK DICK." And really, what could be more patriotic than having your dick tattooed with the flag?
See, this is why no one will hire me as a campaign manager or advisor.
April 18, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find it mind boggling that some make such a big deal of wearing a flag pin!
What's next? If you don't wear a cross,
your Christianity will be questioned ????
April 18, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, when you look behind the curtain, you find out that she admits that it was not about the flag pin at all.
She is a Clinton supporter, and if you read the following report from McClatchy News, she pretty much does not like him because she finds him to be too uppity. You know what is really bugging her. Read it for yourselves, and you will find out that ABC knew damn well that she did not give a damn about the flag pin, except to use it as a way to put an uppity black man in his place. Boycott ABC News.
Watch CBS. Lara Logan is a great foreign correspondent, and Ms. Couric getting much better are her job.
Why not keep at least one Woman anchor on the Networks.
Come on guys. We owe all the great Women who have graced our lives at least that in return;
Now read the truth about ABC's flag pin lady. Here is the truth about her.
Obama questioner explains why she finds him annoying
Margaret Talev | McClatchy Newspapers
last updated: April 17, 2008 08:40:13 PM
WASHINGTON — Nash McCabe is the voter from Wednesday night's presidential debate who noted that Barack Obama doesn't usually wear a flag pin and asked, "I want to know if you believe in the American flag."
ABC, which hosted the debate, had tracked her down after she was quoted in a New York Times story about white voters in small-town Latrobe, Pa., revealing her as 52, out of work and against Obama.
But to understand why Obama rubs McCabe wrong is to go beyond the question of what a flag pin has to do with patriotism — it's not really about the flag pin, she said in a telephone interview Thursday — and consider McCabe's life. It's no Hawaiian prep school and Ivy League story, unlike Obama's. It's a slice of working-class Pennsylvania, the core of Hillary Clinton's support there.
McCabe met her husband, Lloyd, in April 1983 at a dance. They married two months later. Six months after that, she says, he was injured in a coal mine accident. He hasn't worked since.
They never had children. He had back surgery. The muscle relaxers he took damaged his heart. He's had three bypasses, nine angioplasties, seven stents and a pacemaker. Three months ago doctors found a brain tumor. His choice: surgery that he may or may not survive, or life in a wheelchair.
Over 25 years of marriage, McCabe was the breadwinner. She said it took eight years to get her husband disability payments, during which time they racked up huge bills.
"I was a nurse's aide, a cashier," McCabe said. "From 1996 to 2000, I was a manager of a cleaning company. I started out as secretary and worked my way up to manager, and then the company decided to close. It took me almost two-and-a-half years to find a job that I got laid off from recently" as a clerk-typist. She has a high school diploma.
Sometimes the McCabes borrow money from her parents, who are in their 70s. She has a request in to the local food bank to see if she and her husband qualify.
"People who have sick spouses or children understand how hard it is," she said.
McCabe sympathizes with working-class people who got in over their heads during the housing boom. She opposes the Iraq war and thinks President Bush has hurt the country. She doesn't support Republican John McCain because he's too close to Bush.
On paper, her stances make her as likely to support Obama as Clinton.
But she sees a difference between the two. In Clinton, she sees someone who has struggled for years, just like her, and has earned the right to be president. In Obama, she sees someone who rose like a rocket, always has a smooth explanation for everything — whether it's about his former preacher or the flag pin — and who makes it all look too easy.
"That's what upsets me about Barack Obama," she says. "He takes everything so nonchalantly."
She admits that she's more likely to give Clinton the benefit of the doubt while looking for fault in Obama. For example, McCabe says that she once saw Obama on television and noticed that "he turned his back on the flag" before the Pledge of Allegiance ended. That irritated her to no end.
April 18, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great find.
ABC News is ridiculous, and I can't believe that they would stoop to this low level.
I'm still not over Stephanopholous' Sean Hannity questions.
April 18, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
File this one under "another missed opportunity":
When that flag pin question was teed-up by George S./McCain/Hillary, I started muttering "Look to your right, Barck -- look to your right Obama!"
Of course, Hillary was not wearing a flag pin on her suit pant jacket either and, with such wide lapels, there was no reason she could or should not also be wearing one. Why, it was simply and un-American display!
April 18, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd rather have you this way thanks - this is why I love you.
April 18, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
O she struggled - so hard. All the way through Wellesley, and then Yale law, then right to a partnership in a lawfirm, the Rose Lawfirm, right to the overwhelming struggle - o god it was hard - as First Lady of Arkansas. And she feels your pain, McCabe - sure she does, cause you know what happened to her next? She fought and struggled to get those seating arrangements just right for state dinners as First Lady. It's been hard, I tells ya. You and Hillary - kind of like hoboes together, sharing a box car.
I am sorry for your troubles, Ms. McCabe, but please quit deluding yourself into thinking Hillary Clinton is going to help you.
April 18, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I got her name wrong - it's McNabe. I'm sorry.
April 18, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since Hillary Clinton wants to see fit that I can't burn my flag any more, is it still okay for me to take a big, acrid dump on a flag pin?
April 18, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, you could put the whole thing in a paper bag and set it on fire and put it on her doorstep and run -
if she didn't have a whole lot of armed guards, that is.
there's always a catch -
April 18, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its kinda funny, but those flag lapel pins.....all of the ones I've come across in Walmart and such places, were made in China.
April 18, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL They would be, wouldn't they?
April 18, 2008 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
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