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Lies, Stories, America, Politics - Tuzla in Context
Those of us who have supported Sen. Clinton have been faced with two troubling recent situations where the word "lie" has been employed by the press and by her accusers.
First off, I think LIE is a word that has become devalued by overuse - like "awesome" or "superstar", to use a couple of other examples. It used to mean a very specific, very perjorative thing: The conscious, pre-meditated act of speaking deliberate falsehood to gain unwarranted advantage (I distinguish it here from its more acceptable cousin, the "white lie" - the one we all use to avoid telling a friend that their ugly hat actually IS an ugly hat). That narrow, peculiar meaning has been expanded to cover every conceivable variety of perceived mis-rendering of literal facts for whatever reason, and has thereby cost the word a good deal of its original punch.
That said, let me offer few observations about the 2 recent matters where Sen. Clinton lied (I use that word easily in our current context, because it doesn't actually MEAN what it used to mean, as I said. In its classic definiton, I'm very reluctant to use it at all. Where people are physically adjacent to each other in my part of the country, a lot of fights get started that way. It is a basic impugning of one's honor that has literally gotten people killed.):
(1)I think the "hospital" story is both explainable and defensible in any number of reasonable ways. It would most likely not even have made the news, if there were not a calculated effort under way to piggyback it to the "Tuzla" story to create the appearance of a pattern.
Why such an effort? Simple. Obama's people saw the 2000 election. They saw what ruthless experts could make of Gore's natural tendency to mild hyperbole and overstatement. They saw a variation of the same strategy employed against Kerry in 2004, with equal success. Sen. Obama and President Bush may not be on the same team, but that isn't keeping them from running some of the same plays.
(2)Tuzla is more troubling. Even an honest Clinton supporter cannot square what she said about that with the conflicting visual and anecdotal evidence.
What to make of it? Some alternatives:
(a)She flat LIED, in the classic, most deeply perjorative sense of the word. In the full face of known evidence to the contrary, she just stood there and did it anyway. I don't believe this.
(b)A more likely and mildly exculpatory explanation: Thru telling and re-telling over time, an event involving a degree of genuine fear and threat to personal safety expanded to become the story she told. She came to half-believe that something along the lines she described DID in fact happen that day.
This is what I accept to be the case. She shouldn't have done it, it has justifiably caused her and her supporters a share of embarrassment, but it is NOT a lie in the classic sense of the word.
Rather, it is a more conspicuous form of the kind of embellishment we all employ every day (How many times have you been in "the worst rain storm I've EVER seen!" Once or twice a year? It is a more conspicuous form of a malady that may be described as the occupational affliction of political people, ALL of whom are more or less in the business of shading facts to their favor (including her 2 immediate opponents, and the man in the White House now) .
Call it a "fish story", a "war story", or a "tall tale". Take your pick, or find your own. American vernacular is full of colloquial expressions to describe that very American trait.
(3)Let me close with this, so you won't get the impression I'm letting myself off the hook: Even if I truly believed option (a) above, I do NOT consider that by itself as overtly disqualifying. In THIS earthly world, we deal with imperfect choices in just about everything we do. Mature politics demands that we understand the practical requirement of compromise with some of our highest ideals. That is not a weakness, that is a peculiar AMERICAN strength. We weigh the best and worst of one candidate against the best and worst of the others, and make our best pragmatic guess as to who stands better in the end.
I would not allow even a proven tangential lie on a matter of dubious relevance to force me to vote for someone that I personally feel on balance is less qualified. I don't suggest that others do that, either.






Comments (8)
Well argued. I also felt the hospital story as a "lie" was demeaning the word. As for Tuzla, I'm sure it was an incremental embellishment. Most politicians succumb to such embellishments, and I won't pretend that Obama is exempt from that. This one was particularly egregious and had footage that made it painfully obvious. My biggest problem with the Tuzla tale is that she didn't own up to it immediately. For better or worse, she had been telling this story enough that she believed the embellishment. (Say what you will about her, but I don't think she's stupid enough to deliberately create and then defend a falsehood that would be so easy to disprove.) It wasn't the "crime", but the cover-up. (And, even you have to admit, to slur Sinbad's good name is one of the largest sins imaginable!)
Finally, and I know this won't be popular here at TPM, but I'd welcome you to extend your argument to Bush's "lie" that got us into Iraq. To this day, I honestly believe that he believed he would find WMDs. Sure, it's because he needed a pretext and wanted to believe, but I just don't accept that he knew they weren't there. (As many will point out—we knew he had WMD at one point since we sold them to him!)
April 10, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with that somewhat. The lie wasn't so much about Saddam having WMDs. It would have been almost impossible to prove that he didn't have them without taking over the whole country.
At the time, I expected the U.S. troops would find something when they invaded, which I felt would vindicate Bush.
The real lies were in saying that they had proof the Saddam had WMDs. Administration officials even said they knew where they were. The other lies were exaggerating the danger Saddam posed to us, claims that he was close to having a nuclear weapon, and the insinuations that he was linked to the 9/11 attacks.
They were also dishonest by choosing to present only the evidence that supported their beliefs and ignoring anything that did not.
April 10, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bush's lie was that he told us his reason for going to war was the threat Hussein's WMDs posed to us.
Whether or not he believed there were WMDs, that was not his real reason. He had been itching to attack Iraq for some time, something good in his mind. He lied about the evidence, not about the subject of the evidence. In the end he may have convinced himself WMDs were his real reasons, but that's not where he started.
This is analogous to Tuzla. Clinton had the same lack of respect for the means as Bush did. The end was good in her mind, to demonstrate her credentials as someone who had meaningful foreign experience, so the means didn't matter, could be stretched, and it really wasn't immoral.
This delusional behavior on the parts of both Bush and Clinton, that the immoral means didn't matter, wouldn't be a big deal because the ends are so noble (in their minds), is far more dangerous than lies.
Bush and Clinton were reckless beyond our limited comprehension.
The hospital bit was just sloppy, and the candidate got carried away exaggerating. Just like Selma and Kennedy's help to his father was for Obama. Sloppiness can be apologized away. Tuzla is in a whole different category.
April 10, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
The subsequent joking about being under sniper fire and dismissal of it as a non-issue pissed me off, and apparently it pissed of a number of our men and women in uniform as well, who will gladly tell you that you NEVER forget being under sniper fire.
It was a huge flap, but an even nastier cover-up. Like using explosives to get rid of a pothole in her road to nomination.
Thank God she didn't have to deal with in in the general. She would have lost based solely on that one. She still would, if she manages to make it somehow.
April 10, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Bush knew that the WMD were there, why did they forge the intelligence?
Why the forged Niger documents?
Why the carefully worded misguided statements in the SOTU about uranium from Africa?
Why the nonsense about drone planes?
Why the nonsense spewed by Powell, which he now admits he knew was malarky?
Why the aluminum tube nonsense?
Why sabotage the inspections process?
And yes, we sold him the WMD, but those chemicals expire like a gallon of milk at the supermarket.
There is so much evidence nowadays that they lied, notably the Downing Street memos. CPAC wanted their invasion and Bush, the Clintons and the media granted it, evidence be damned.
April 10, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because he's surrounded by "yes men". Presumably you don't think that he forged those documents, right? He had a preconceived idea and wouldn't believe evidence that contradicted it. I'm not defending the guy, I'm just saying that I think the term "lie" is slightly inaccurate. As with the Tuzla tale, I suppose there's a difference of opinion on whether exaggerations count as lies.
Because he didn't want a peaceful resolution. Again, I'm not saying his intentions were pure, I hope that's clear.
April 10, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I understand the "bubble mentality" explanation for the pre-war falsehoods and the many valid reasons for embracing it. However, I also feel there are powerful arguments against it, and I felt compelled to express them.
Who knows, future historians might run into our little debate here.
April 10, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't consider the "hospital" story a lie, any more than I would call someone a liar for telling me an urban legend. Like an urban legend, the story became better in the retelling. Hillary combined two medical facilities into one in her version, making the alleged offense all the more egregious. She also told it in a much more dramatic fashion than it was told to her.
The thing is, I expect someone who wants to be president to have a little more skepticism than to repeat stories she's read or heard as the truth without doing some checking first. That's the sort of thing that Reagan was notorious for. Of course, Hillary did list Reagan among her favorite presidents.
I also wouldn't call the story about her being named after Sir Edmund Hillary as a lie. That was undoubtedly something she was told by her parents, either as a joke or because they couldn't remember exactly why they named her "Hillery". Obama has also been guilty of repeating what were probably family stories that turned out to be untrue.
As for the Bosnia story, I do find that disqualifying, at least as it stands now. The difference between what she said happened and the video evidence is just too great to be explained as an exaggeration. If she truly believed the story, then she's delusional, and we don't need any more delusional presidents. Otherwise, she told a big fat lie.
If it could be shown that at some point on her travels she actually was instructed to keep her head down and run straight to the car because of the danger of snipers, then I think the story could truthfully be called a "misstatement". But I think her campaign would have brought that up by now if that were the case.
April 10, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
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