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Kristof is Not a Racist

Nicholas Kristof wrote this interesting piece on implicit bias and its impact in the current election cycle. I recognize and appreciate his admirably intent, but I've got beef.

I truly long for the day when we can be more precise with our language
without being shouted down as being slaves to political correctness.
My current beef is with the term racist. Kristof-- by virtue of his
actions in the world, his commitment to the powerless of any color,
and his consistent willingness to examine and revise his own impact
in the world around him-- is not a racist. A racist takes his or her
learned, embraced or implicit racialized biases and then seeks to
impose them upon the world through policy and action, individual and
institutional violence, or other structural means that impact
everything from housing to education, air quality to wages, health care
to equal legal protection.

This is also why Geraldine Ferraro is not a
racist-- her public service demonstrates her commitment to racial
justice-- but she retains and expressed racialized and gendered baggage that is very
common in America. Her overblown response was based on defending herself as not being a racist-- and she isn't-- instead of defending her ridiculous comments. Thusly, she was able to sidestep the real issue and chop down a very particular strawman called the "race card." 
The "race card" construct was cleverly designed to make any substantive
discussions of real or perceived discrimination off limits; tossing
about the term "racist" has an equally paralyzing effect. (btw, I'm an Obama supporter).



While linguistic precision will not solve our racial impasse, it
certainly can make it easier for people to have difficult conversations when
they are not on the defensive. Because racism was denied in this country
for generations, and then the political right quickly moved to declare
racism a thing of the past following the civil rights movement, African
Americans are quick to use the term "racist" as quickly as weshoot the imaginary people in the study Kristof cites; similarly, other Americans
often quickly jump to use the term "racist" to distance themselves from harmful
comments or ideas. None of this helps us define what policies and
practices need to be examined for their racial legacy; none of this
helps us engage in the kind of poly-logue this nation needs to have
around biases, discrimination and the future; and none of this allows
us the space to examine our actions in the world. 

peace
gkp


Comments (14)

An excellent post on an interesting column. Thanks!

Well stated. I think we need some new words for racism. Just like the urban legend that Eskimos have hundreds of words for snow, I think America needs a dozen or so words for racism (and for the same reason). There's explicit racism, implicit racism, reverse racism, "positive" racism (e.g., intelligence and Asians), active racism, passive racism, and just plain ignorance. Even the ignorance falls into a broad swath of varieties: cultural ignorance, historical ignorance, physiological ignorance, and just plain silly ignorance (well, this is a subset of those others).

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GKP,

Excellent post, very helpful way to think about the topic. Ben is right, we need more words. And of course to fling them about less carelessly, or less violently.

We've loaded the subject with such emotion we can't even use the words we have ("Use your words" as the toddlers' moms would say.)

Being steeped in the words of King these past few days brings the words of Obama in his Philadelpia speech into sharp relief.

Obama was at first criticized that he hadn't 'brought his A game' because it wasn't a rousing speech. But it turns out that what was needed was a calm voice. Which is what he brought, one of his qualities that has been remarked on but not overly -- he has a deep calm that lets him give a speech like that as well as his more passionate, rousing speeches.

King, of course, also had this, though that is not the bits we hear replayed (nor do we hear the more radical parts, but that's another topic). I'm thinking of the Letter from a Birmingham jail, for example.

And then there was Robert Kennedy's speech in Indianapolis the day King was killed, in which he quoted Aeschylus (who's name I can't even spell, much less can I quote him). Such deep wisdom.

We've so degraded our political dialogue (and nonpolitical dialogue) that it is hard to imagine this depth from a current politician (until Obama). Even Kristof, whom I consider a good and thoughtful writer, can't fully express himself on this topic.

Ben is right, we need more words. And of course to fling them about less carelessly, or less violently.

That's the point though isn't it. This is all academic for most white Americans and it is violent, hurtful, disgusting and painful for African Americans. Some people want that hard conversation to be easy. It wont happen. The conversation to address the inherent inequality and outright savagery that still persists in this society for millions of persons of color requires courage. I think our countrymen are ready for that discourse but many of our "leaders" are not.

Coming up with new code words for moral depravity and applied ignorance is not going to solve the problem of many white people being disinterested in addressing the legacy of racism, it is only pouring perfume on a cesspool.

Coming up with new code words for moral depravity and applied ignorance is not going to solve the problem of many white people being disinterested in addressing the legacy of racism, it is only pouring perfume on a cesspool.

btw, i agree with this-- i'm not advocating new vocabulary, just a more precise and careful understanding and application of what we currently have. and this will not solve the problem either.

what if we think about the incredible organization the obama campaign has put together and think about it beyond the election. if the same grassroots fundraising parties, and study groups, and blogging and online fundraising that is happing now to get him into office was focused on sustaining community level dialogues on race (let alone gender, class, sexuality and the environment), we could really work on these attitudes and on the attitudes of future generations. we distribute the many excellent curricula that have been developed over the years, we could sponsor town halls, we could produce alternative media-- basically we could set the preconditions for the type of mass mobilization that will be necessary to change racist policies and practices. and, we can "change hearts and minds."
peace,
gkp

I totally agree. I am hopeful but kinda pessimistic about the chances this will happen.

A racist takes his or her learned, embraced or implicit racialized biases and then seeks to impose them upon the world through policy and action, individual and institutional violence, or other structural means that impact everything from housing to education, air quality to wages, health care to equal legal protection.

You write the above, then become an apologist for Geraldine Ferraro. So her taking her RACIST view of why Obama is winning this primary election and attempting to win other people over to her RACIST perspective in order to win an election doesn't qualify as a RACIST deed, according to you? By your own definition she is a racist.


African Americans are quick to use the term "racist" as quickly as weshoot the imaginary people in the study Kristof cites

Nice generalization.

I'd say there is more of a need to curtail actual racism than there is a need to clean up the interpretation of the concept. Either that or me and mine are just genetically predisposed to be criminals.

I think you should set up the situation where you are unable to discuss certain things because of violating some notion of political correctness.

None of this helps us define what policies and practices need to be examined for their racial legacy; none of this helps us engage in the kind of poly-logue this nation needs to have around biases, discrimination and the future; and none of this allows us the space to examine our actions in the world.

Bullshit. There is no obstruction to the removal of racist policies and legacies other than the dominance of the perpetrators of those policies and legacies in government, politics and business.
You really think a guy who calls the old white woman, who clutches her purse when he walks by, a racist is stopping our society from initiating social justice? GTFOH It isn't happening because they don't want it to happen. What would happen to the prison industrial complex if African Americans were represented proportionately in prisons? How many billions would be lost?

Total fucking bullshit. The thing that stops America from pursuing social justice is the lack of moral outrage from people who don't view themselves as being affected by such things.


TM- Thanks for yoru response; i think you missed my central point and are making some pretty off base assumptions about who and what i am.

You write the above, then become an apologist for Geraldine Ferraro. So her taking her RACIST view of why Obama is winning this primary election and attempting to win other people over to her RACIST perspective in order to win an election doesn't qualify as a RACIST deed, according to you? By your own definition she is a racist.

no, by my definition, a racist who served in public life for 30 years as ferraro did would have a clear record of voting and taking other positions that are clearly expressions of her racial baggage. i don't know her personally to say whether she is prejudiced towards people in terms of her interactions, but i can say that her comments and subsequent defense reflect a common myopia among white liberals about their own racial attitudes and biases. as the stokely carmichael and charles hamilton formulation goes, racism=prejudice+ power.for generations, black people could hold their prejudices, but had no power to translate that into racism-- thus, this was, and largely still is, the argument against alleged "reverse racism." i scoff at her claims that she is now a victim of reverse racism because nothing that has been said about herridiculous comments have affected where she lives, what her income level is, whether she has access to quality health care or whether her kids will have access to opportunity-- she is not the victim of racism, she is the target of imprecise invective. with a clearer formulation, we can understand racism, its true manifestations, and also its applications in other contexts, e.g., many brown skinned people from the dominican republic often are prejudiced against darker skinned people from haiti, and there are many institutional structures that dominicans control in the dominican republic that are absolute expressions of racism against haitian people.

African Americans are quick to use the term "racist" as quickly as we shoot the imaginary people in the study Kristof cites

Nice generalization.

you are absolutely right; this was poorly written. many african americans are quick to use the term racist, as are many white, brown, yellow, red and purple people.

I'd say there is more of a need to curtail actual racism than there is a need to clean up the interpretation of the concept. Either that or me and mine are just genetically predisposed to be criminals.

absolutely, but these are not mutually exclusive. part of curing a problem is properly diagnosing it, and one problem with the discourse is that people are taking around and at each other without understanding what the other is saying. to eradicate racism means we have to help 21st century americans who think that racism ended in 1964 to see the many manifestations of racism today. i talk to african american college students every day-- THEY need to have a better understanding of what 21st century racism looks like.

Bullshit. There is no obstruction to the removal of racist policies and legacies other than the dominance of the perpetrators of those policies and legacies in government, politics and business. You really think a guy who calls the old white woman, who clutches her purse when he walks by, a racist is stopping our society from initiating social justice? GTFOH ...

Total fucking bullshit. The thing that stops America from pursuing social justice is the lack of moral outrage from people who don't view themselves as being affected by such things.

From a power perspective, you are partially correct-- those who experience the effects of racism are not obstructing its elimination. But if you want to talk power, then you have to develop an analysis of how to obtain power-- and, to generate the moral outrage you refer to in your closing. So do you generate moral outrage and build capacity by shouting at people that they are racist? Or do you win people over by showing them alternatives to mass incarceration, profitable business practices that do not exploit workers or the environment, better planning methods that do not place an unfair environmental burden on communities of color, better ways to fund education-- oh, and different ways to think about our cultural differences, our collective history, and our mutual aspirations? I think you will be far more effective actually doing something about racism than talking about it if you open the poly-logue in this country.

lastly, don't get it twisted-- i was born and raised in the bronx; half my crew is caught up in that prison industry, so i work everyday to find solutions. what are you doing? that's a sincere question, not a challenge.
peace,
gkp

grrr... bad html; that last bit should look like this:

I'd say there is more of a need to curtail actual racism than there is a need to clean up the interpretation of the concept. Either that or me and mine are just genetically predisposed to be criminals.

absolutely, but these are not mutually exclusive. part of curing a problem is properly diagnosing it, and one problem with the discourse is that people are taking around and at each other without understanding what the other is saying. to eradicate racism means we have to help 21st century americans who think that racism ended in 1964 to see the many manifestations of racism today. i talk to african american college students every day-- THEY need to have a better understanding of what 21st century racism looks like.

Bullshit. There is no obstruction to the removal of racist policies and legacies other than the dominance of the perpetrators of those policies and legacies in government, politics and business. You really think a guy who calls the old white woman, who clutches her purse when he walks by, a racist is stopping our society from initiating social justice? GTFOH ...

Total fucking bullshit. The thing that stops America from pursuing social justice is the lack of moral outrage from people who don't view themselves as being affected by such things.

From a power perspective, you are partially correct-- those who experience the effects of racism are not obstructing its elimination. But if you want to talk power, then you have to develop an analysis of how to obtain power-- and, to generate the moral outrage you refer to in your closing. So do you generate moral outrage and build capacity by shouting at people that they are racist? Or do you win people over by showing them alternatives to mass incarceration, profitable business practices that do not exploit workers or the environment, better planning methods that do not place an unfair environmental burden on communities of color, better ways to fund education-- oh, and different ways to think about our cultural differences, our collective history, and our mutual aspirations? I think you will be far more effective actually doing something about racism than talking about it if you open the poly-logue in this country.

lastly, don't get it twisted-- i was born and raised in the bronx; half my crew is caught up in that prison industry, so i work everyday to find solutions. what are you doing? that's a sincere question, not a challenge.
peace,
gkp

Hey GKen - My apologies for the way my response sounded. I haven't really made any assumptions about you.

no, by my definition, a racist who served in public life for 30 years as ferraro did would have a clear record of voting and taking other positions that are clearly expressions of her racial baggage. i don't know her personally to say whether she is prejudiced towards people in terms of her interactions, but i can say that her comments and subsequent defense reflect a common myopia among white liberals about their own racial attitudes and biases. as the stokely carmichael and charles hamilton formulation goes, racism=prejudice+ power.

Ferraro has a history of racist remarks. She has recently uttered what she first said about Jesse Jackson years ago. Ferraro's proof of baggage has been exposed. The fact that she doesn't wear hoods or hang out with David Duke means little. I agree on your point about white liberals and bias. This entire Obama/Hillary struggle has been very entertaining for me since it has exposed many of the closeted white racists in the Democratic Party. I agree also with the prejudice + power equation. I hope you are not suggesting that Ferraro has no power. She has been an influential political figure for sometime. She is a talking head on Fox and continues to voice her racially biased world view publicly in hopes of influencing people to turn away from supporting Obama. Sorry, but in my book that equals racism. If she wasn't a public figure and no one listened to her then maybe I could agree to call her an old misguided/prejudiced bird, but that isn't the case.


absolutely, but these are not mutually exclusive. part of curing a problem is properly diagnosing it, and one problem with the discourse is that people are taking around and at each other without understanding what the other is saying. to eradicate racism means we have to help 21st century americans who think that racism ended in 1964 to see the many manifestations of racism today. i talk to african american college students every day-- THEY need to have a better understanding of what 21st century racism looks like.

Sorry for oversimplifying. I came away with you wanting to change the language of describing bias. My stated objections were in regard to tackling the more urgent areas of the racial bias problem. I also believe that there is a need for the general public to be made aware of the details of the systemic racism in place today. I'm not against educating people about what is at the heart of African American outrage, I just didn't agree with going off on the semantics of racism tangent. I'm totally on board as far as getting the information out there about how racism isn't just throwing rocks or epithets at people of color - its in hiring practices, education, finance, the criminal justice system, interpersonal relationships of all types.


From a power perspective, you are partially correct-- those who experience the effects of racism are not obstructing its elimination. But if you want to talk power, then you have to develop an analysis of how to obtain power-- and, to generate the moral outrage you refer to in your closing. So do you generate moral outrage and build capacity by shouting at people that they are racist? Or do you win people over by showing them alternatives to mass incarceration, profitable business practices that do not exploit workers or the environment, better planning methods that do not place an unfair environmental burden on communities of color, better ways to fund education-- oh, and different ways to think about our cultural differences, our collective history, and our mutual aspirations? I think you will be far more effective actually doing something about racism than talking about it if you open the poly-logue in this country.

I'm not advocating shouting at people :) - Just saying that some people benefit significantly economically from the status quo. I agree with what you say about presenting alternatives to the present biased systems, but on another level- have better cleaner safer ways of doing business won out in the automotive industry? Manufacturing? Pharmaceuticals? It would take that grassroots movement that Obama has tapped into going forward across the board and addressing the entire situation. Things don't have to be operated in a foul manner but we see what happens when special interests are left to overseeing themselves. But just to say it again- I dont disagree with what you're saying in response just adding that we aren't just working against misunderstandings. There are many people who know exactly how things work and want them to stay the same.


lastly, don't get it twisted-- i was born and raised in the bronx; half my crew is caught up in that prison industry, so i work everyday to find solutions. what are you doing? that's a sincere question, not a challenge.
peace,
gkp

lol I was going to mention the Bronx but realized I was going off on a rant so left it out. I was raised in Los Angeles and NY. I lived in Gun Hill Houses, Prospect Plaza(Brooklyn). I'm not sure what you mean by "What am I doint?" In regard to fighting racism? Helping people survive it? Disseminating information about it? I'm guessing just the "struggle" in general. I was an activist for awhile in NY but didn't care for the stagnate, lip service oriented organizations I had been involved with. Since then I have just tried to do what I can, when I can. There's more to it but I don't want to hijack this discussion.

We are coming from the same place. I just think we need to explain better to our disaffected brethren the idiosyncrasies of racism.

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True "racism" was a system of racial hierarchy. This seems different than today's unconscious prejudices. There are very few "racists" (KKK, neo-nazi, etc.) but almost everyone is prejudiced to some degree and not just about race or gender. People talk down to disabled people or get squeemish about them, for instance.

I think Ferraro was "race-baiting" -- whipping up racial animus on purpose.

I think Kristof is simply prejudiced. Like most people.

We should really stop using the "racist" word, which is mostly an insult nowadays, unless it literally applies, eg. hate groups. Otherwise stick with prejudices, discrimination, and the like.


Can I ask why you think that people who race-bait or appeal to racists, play on prejudices/ignorance of others in regard to race are not racists themselves?
Do you not see them as perpetuating racism?

I also know that many people's prejudices are not so unconscious.

observer2-
thanks for your comment.

True "racism" was a system of racial hierarchy. This seems different than today's unconscious prejudices. There are very few "racists" (KKK, neo-nazi, etc.) but almost everyone is prejudiced to some degree and not just about race or gender. We should really stop using the "racist" word, which is mostly an insult nowadays, unless it literally applies, eg. hate groups. Otherwise stick with prejudices, discrimination, and the like.

i have to disagree with you here; it is false to suggest that racism, even by your own definition as being a system of racial hierarchy, no longer exists. it is not a "was"... it is an "is" when you look at the way that policies instituted anywhere from 60 to 5 years ago have everyday implications on where certain communities live, what kinds of environmental hazards get sited in their communities, the quality of the schools or health in their neighborhood, their wages or working conditions. "hate groups" are examples of individual racism-- today's racism is mostly perpetuated by institutions. and discrimination is but a subset of these institutional practices as they sometimes bleed into limitations on our social interactions or how certain communities are portrayed in the media. there is no value in jumping to the easy "post-racial" place... we have to do a lot of un-doing of very real policy implications... nothing theoretical here... the types of things that impact everyday people every day.

TM, the above applies to your response as well.
peace,
gkp

Every time I hear the term "post-racial", I snicker. If the Honorable Shirley Chisholm were still alive, she'd have given Ferraro one helluva verbal smack-down. Institutional racism is real but so is the more visceral type that Ferraro personally espouses.

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