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John Sidney McCain, Age 847, Wants to Cut Deficit "Like Reagan"
From the Too Awesome For Words Dept.:
When Senator John McCain was asked here this afternoon how he plans
to balance the budget, he said that he hoped to do so by stimulating
economic growth – and approvingly cited the example of President Ronald
Reagan.There was one thing he did not mention during his response: the
deficit nearly tripled during the Reagan presidency, partly due to tax
cuts and increases in military spending.
Sometimes I just don't know what to make of stuff like this. It's depressing as hell, on the one hand, because I know that a lot of people will buy this without questioning it.. despite the fact that the majority of the electorate was around to remember that this is a patently false revision of history. On the other hand, it makes me insanely giddy because I don't know what else to do with the bone-crushing depression of this reality.
Yeah, I might need help.









Comments (40)
I know what you mean. I had to read it a few times to see if I had missed something.
The maverick strikes again!
April 10, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
DF:
http://tinyurl.com/5ln5rf
April 10, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hah!
I'm way ahead of you this time, ct!
April 10, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't know we were in a competitive race, DF. I thought we were waiting for everyone else to catch up to us! ;-)
April 10, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
clearthinker moving the goal posts again
April 10, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but it's okay because he moved them to the bar.
April 11, 2008 3:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Picture this: millions of people watching a debate in a few months, and the democratic nominee basically says this...
"There was one thing he did not mention during his response: the deficit nearly tripled during the Reagan presidency, partly due to tax cuts and increases in military spending."
I can only picture one of our candidates being believable and thought provoking delivering this line.
April 10, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the absurdity of this statement is ever pointed out to McCain, say in a debate with the Democratic candidate, how do you think he would respond? Would he say "It's ludicrous to think I didn't know that," as he did with the Sunni/Shiite confusion. Or (belligerently) "It's common knowledge, everyone knows that, why are you asking me," as he did with the NYT reporter, or will he ask someone to go look up his position on the deficit and make sure it coincides with Bush's, as he did on the contraceptive issue?
I remember long, puzzled debates on TPM about whether Bush is dim, or just ill-informed; whether he realizes what he has done or whether anything penetrates his bubble. There will no doubt be similar debates throughout McCain's candidacy, and - God help us - his Presidency if he is elected.
I'm sure he can't be elected, much surer than my absolute certainty that Bush couldn't be elected.
April 10, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or will he say "The economy is not my strong suit, ask me about Iraq - no, wait, I get confused there, ask me about my grandchildren." Does he have great-grandchildren yet?
April 10, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm dying here - Too funny!
I've watched the airlines here melt down totally in the last week and if they keep going like this they are not going to be able to stay in business. I told a friend today who was at the airport trying to get out of here that Ronald Reagan was reaching out from beyond the grave to put the final touches on what he started and put all the airlines out of business.
LOLOLOL!!!!!
April 10, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suspect McCain thinks that "stimulating the economy" is accomplished by a pulley system that operates a really big feather.
April 10, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sadly, you have easily 50 million people who have been taking this spoonful of sugar every day for the past 25 years. Odds are, you know several of them.
If you've been bored enough to read the policy proposals on McCain's website, you'll see that every footnote leads to the Heritage Foundation or American Enterprise Institute. Even if someone attempts to spring some journalism on him, and he gets caught in an embarrassing gaffe, the think tanks have his back.
Once, I heard Hannity shout this at a guest: "Reagan proved you can defeat evil!" Not Christ, mind you, but Reagan. It doesn't even matter if these guys are biblically unsound, for them, Reagan is an article of faith.
April 10, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh my. Adam Curtis did a documentary for BBC4 called The Power of Nightmares where his thesis is essentially that radical Muslims and the neoconservatives both came away from Afghanistan thinking they had, through sheer force, toppled the USSR and that therefore they had proved that they could continue on using sheer force to shape the world, to vanquish evil if you will.
The other parallel, which I think is equally interesting, is that both groups subscribe to a religious fundamentalism that blames liberal society for breaking down the system of values that they hold dear and that this fundamentalism must be brought to bear to prevent society from further deteriorating.
I would really love to have heard Hannity yell that.
April 10, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a great documentary, but I don't think it ever aired. It's available at archive.org .
I saw it when it came out (2003 or 2004?). Amazing.
Their reason for not airing it (at the time at least?): they didn't have and "couldn't get" distribution rights for some of the songs on the sound track.
I loved that they had the people saying it themselves. Like the Team B guy, it's late, I'm sleep deprived, under sniper fire and can't remember his name. Anyway, it's a scary documentary, extremely recommended. (grain of salt optional)
April 11, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
That sounds fucking brilliant. What a thesis.
April 11, 2008 2:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Get it here
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
Worth every second. I wished everybody could have seen it when it came out. EVERYBODY.
April 11, 2008 2:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Also here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5272802791005405759&q=%22the+power+of+nightmares%22&total=494&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7
April 11, 2008 3:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, both of you, for sharing this. I haven't seen it yet, and am only able to listen inattentively here at work, but based on the 1st portion I will most definitely be giving it the attention it deserves tonight at home (probably with a stiff drink).
April 11, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the Dems need to hammer the Repugnicans as the national deficit approaches 10 trillion dollars that 70 percent of this crippling deficit occured under just three presidents: Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2. Let's get an ad with George H. W. Bush's "Voodoo Economics" quote and point out the terrible costs of borrow and spend economics coupled with tax breaks for the very wealthiest.
April 10, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe just ask them what kind of mileage their Hummers get, then clap them on the back and ask them if they aren't glad that they put a couple of Oilmen into office.
It makes their faces turn lovely shades of purple.
April 10, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I have to enter my password one more time, I'm leaving TPM for good. And I'll make Desidero's explosive (and short-lived) farewell look like a good-bye kiss.
April 10, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm guessing that you probably know this, but just in case you don't it may help your sanity to know that as long as the fields populate you can just click submit a second time and it will accept your password, no re-entry necessary. This obviously won't help with the times when the fields come up blank, but maybe it will be enough to help you ride it out until they get it fixed. I'd hate to see you go and not simply because of the snark. Your serious posts are every bit as good.
I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but there's really no excuse for this to be happening. It's 2008 and that sort of session management is absolute child's play. I get the feeling that someone tried to re-invent the wheel on this one and it came out with corners.
April 10, 2008 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've read about this phenomenon. Tragically, my fields are almost never populated, and submitting doesn't work unless I repopulate them. Even then, I must submit twice.
And yes, I agree that it's ridiculous. I'm wondering how movable type managed to f it up and why TPM chose to implement an unstable version of movable type.
Fear not, I can probably withstand a few more password entries before I lose it. Although, I think that I may need to cut down for productivity reasons. But thanks for the appreciation. It's mutual. (Where's billy glad to condemn the sap?)
April 10, 2008 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
IMHO, wordpress is king.
April 11, 2008 3:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Genghis,
Perhaps you can find solace in the fact that I have had the same issue (even after trying the ol' re-hit the submit button trick).
I find that if you get into that loop, shutting down all open browsers or browser windows and starting fresh again solves everything. I have noticed if that if I have (god forbid) 2 TPM windows open, they seem to conflict with one another.
Now, while you go do that, I've got some goal posts to move another 10 yards.
April 11, 2008 3:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Move them to a good bar. I've got a powerful thirst!
April 11, 2008 4:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice catch DF. I'm looking forward to the primary. I think that it will be very entertaining. (Assuming of course that McCain loses.)
Unfortunately, I doubt that Obama will take on Reagan. He needs votes from too many people who actually voted for the guy.
April 10, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
John Sidney McCain won't run up deficits the way Reagan did because John's been around the block a few times and he knows how to save money.
For example, when John's president the whole nation will have dinner at 5 pm at all you can eat places like Luby's. You get the early bird special and you can fill your lady's purse with rolls for breakfast in the morning!
John McCain will have a Secretary of Coupon Clipping. And you know, you don't need new clothes every year. A good shirt can last a lifetime. If it starts to fray at the bottom, just hitch up your pants!
April 10, 2008 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I take great pride in the fact that this post brought McCainPal out of the woodwork.
April 10, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Will we ever find out who is behind all the fake avatars? I'm guessing that mccain pal, sinbad, mark penn, and troll critic have the same source but that jjjr is a knock off. Just a guess. But who done it?
April 10, 2008 11:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Josh.
Of course.
April 10, 2008 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
TMPCon?
April 11, 2008 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have theories on all of them and at least one them is known to me with certainty, but not because it's me. However, I refuse to ruin the fun!
April 11, 2008 3:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Josh Marshall pointed out McCain seems clueless as to the overall strategic issues in Iraq. Now DF points out how he's missed the economy boat as well. I'd argue he's not much of a historian (hysterian, maybe) either.
Even if he backs way up and admits to the Reagan deficits, now is not the time to cut them (as he says he will), or he's playing Hoover to today's FDRs.
Here's the big nugget. Deficit spending does help (temporarily) stimulate the economy - but there are constructive and destructive ways to do this. Endless military spending is... guess!
Both democrats (Obama and Clinton) are wisely proposing to spend money in the right place - here in the US - on the right things - energy independence, health care, etc - for the right people.
April 11, 2008 12:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I believe the deficit actually quadrupled under Reagan, at least it had at the 6 year mark anyhow - from what I remember. We also - for the first time ever - became a 'debtor' nation.
And our lexicon was freshly graced with terms like 'bag lady.' Colorful character that Reagan putz was....
Remember when he used to say, "We don't deal with terrorists" a real staple of his for a while. Then we had that little problem called Iran-Contra.
That people think he was such a great president just blows my mind. I bet few of the families that lost someone in the Beirut bombing are too keen on him.
April 11, 2008 2:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you've never read it and you'd be interested in a hell of a tale about some of the ins-and-outs of Iran-Contra, read Dark Alliance by Gary Webb.
April 11, 2008 3:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's brain is a chowder of small factoids, delusions, and aimless anger. You could randomly pick a hundred Americans, and ninety-five would make a better president than McCain.
April 11, 2008 8:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Using 847 as McCain's age always throws me, because it's an area code.
Maybe it shows that McCain is so enfeebled and lost in self-deception, the 3 a.m. call to him is always long distance.
April 11, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, 847 is a Chicago area code.
April 11, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh McCain. I love you. Truly. The Republicans could not have picked a finer candidate this year.
Eight years of President Obama, here we come!
April 11, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
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