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I threw up in my mouth a little bit
I thought the debate was disgusting. I threw up in my
mouth a little bit while I was watching it. It was more than an hour
before they asked a substantive question, and even when they did, the premise
was always that the Republican position was the correct one, and 'how could you
possibly disagree?'.
Hillary jumped in with misleading comments on top of already meaningless
questioning, and Gibson repeatedly jumped in with follow-ups before Obama was
finished giving his answer. I think he only cut Hillary off once.
Plus the format was such that the person who went second almost always got the
last word. The standard formula was: meaningless question, then Obama
responds and appears annoyed at the stupidity of the question, then Hillary
chimes in with her fake outrage and occasionally a misleading skewer.
Obama gave Hillary a pass when he was asked about her exaggeration about her Bosnia trip (as
he has since it first surfaced), and she responds to the questions about his misstatement with
fake disgust. It was as if she believes that she is entitled to the
benefit of every doubt, and Obama deserves to be skewered for not only every
word that comes out of his mouth, but all deeds and words attributable to
everyone that he has ever come in contact with. If you applied this standard
to her and Bill, they would be a laughing stock. Like this charity board
with this Weather Underground guy. This is like saying that Hillary is a
communist because she once worked at a law firm run by communists. Its
just sad.
I think that Obama was shocked that Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos (senior political
adviser to the 1992 U.S. presidential campaign of
Bill
Clinton and later became Clinton's communications director) could
be so ruthless in their attacking of him. "Do you think that
Reverend Wright loves America
as much as you do?" Come on! How is that even remotely
relevant?
The summary is that I am pissed about the debate, and so are a lot of people,
including some very prominent nonpartisans.
Comments (17)
"Hillary, you were once on the board of notorious union-buster Wal-Mart. How do you square this with your stated support for the working class?"
April 17, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, yes, it's all true; terrible idiotic irrelevant questions made for the lumpen proletariat. Remarks finely tuned to get the TV-addicted peasants all riled up. More characteristic of a circus performance or some imaginary Coulter-vs.-Arafat encounter, than a debate.
So what?
As an observer with a fair degree of enmity towards Hillary, I have to point out that when Hillary, as pretender to the throne, was taking non-stop beatings of equally unfair and absurd proportions, all you Obama pseudo-progressives could do was sit on your smug self-righteous asses and be amused and blithely unconcerned.
How many times did I read the smart and prescient (not at this site, of course) say, 'Watch it, Obama, they'll come for you soon.'
And voila, so they have.
And now all you distraught hand-wringing knitters, who apparently have little else to do, are in an uproar and feeling, well, so, so, terribly besmirched and aggrieved and offended.
Why I am dismayed over this I haven’t a clue, as it was completely predictable. Most of you are nothing more than tiresome dilettantes, naïve, spoilt, political novices or jacked-up loonie-birds with no reference, zero history, and a frighteningly narrow world perspective – judging from what I read here (occasionally). Well, it pleases me to remind you of it. Won’t do any good, but I like to anyway.
It was forever burnt into my skull, during the Gore-Boosh confrontation, that politics is a circle-jerk tribal experience; a gathering of the ignorant who every four years drag themselves out and bellow like bulls for their team; become willingly blinded, pretending that there is rationale where none exists, and see themselves as articulate and cogent defenders of a certain point of view when all they really possess is pathetically inarticulate mutters and hopeless projections of their small, baffling sentiments.
Really, it’s a loathsome thing. Grow up.
April 17, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow.
This is the most cynical and self-indulgent piece-of-crap I have read on this blog. With the number of Hillary and McCain fans, that is saying something. I haven't seen so many useless 10-dollar words since Dennis Miller was still employed.
Thanks for the tips, junior, now go back to your parent's basement.
The adults are going to talk about why we need to stay diligent and make sure we don't let the douche bags in control continue to pull the wool over our eyes.
April 17, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gosh, Jason. Be grateful to miki. It is obviously more mature and highly evolved than the "tiresome dilettantes, naive, spoilt, political novices or jacked-up loonie-birds" on this website.
We should try hard to live up to miki. It wasted its precious time to tell us how pathetic and inarticulate we are. I'm touched.
By the way, your Dennis Miller reference is appropos. Actually, I was thinking of a fictional character named Ignatius J. Reilly. Familiar with him?
April 18, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have not heard of that character, but if he uses 50-cent words when a nickle would do, I suspect I would be skipping over large swaths of dialog.
This particular rant was so over the top that I pictured a sixteen-year-old who just realized the thesaurus could help them punch-up their sullen, sarcastic and lifeless writing.
April 18, 2008 8:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whoa now Jason, give credit where it is do. Miki's spelling was impeccable. And I suspect he is not American-born (witness 'burnt')but a spectator of our peculiar American sport of politics.
April 18, 2008 1:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, Dennis Miller? That's cold, bro.
April 18, 2008 3:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Emnity toward Hillary? You???? I just read over your posts (you do realize they keep records of those, right?) and you've been fiercely defending hillary all along. Why not just admit it? Why the facade of neutrality? Why not just say, listen s$#thead obama lovers, I'm a hillary fan and I think you're all nuts? At least you'd be honest about where you were coming from.
April 18, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's wrong with a good circle jerk?
April 18, 2008 2:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shhh.. no one saw what happened on THE OTHER SIDE.
April 18, 2008 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know if this forum is that progressive, mi amigo.
April 18, 2008 3:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
April 18, 2008 2:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you talking about the beatings she endured in the 1990's? Because of all us defended the Clintons ad nauseum in those days. For years and years and years, we helped the Clintons fight off the right wing conspiracy. The one she has joined hands with now to pummel our candidate.
If you're talking about this campaign, show me an issue where Hillary has been pummeled that hasn't been true. A Vince Foster-type issue would be akin to the Ayers faux association. But I remember nothing -- absolutely nothing -- since this campaign began where Hillary has had to endure the same kind of abuse and distraction and distortion that Obama has.
We should grow up? Hillary should know better. What the right wing was able to do is drum any decency out of her. She has run a Rovian campaign, with the same kinds of lies, distortions and piling on of minute issues, while she goes unscathed, untouched. Wright/Ayers/flag lapel pins (which she doesn't wear, by the way -- not brought up by the moderators). For "balance" they bring up Bosnia. They don't demand an answer for her on Bill's pardons of Weather Underground convicts. so she dodges that bullet (pardon the pun).
Show me an unfair instance of abuse that Hillary has endured since this campaign began.
You can have your heartless candidate with her unquenched ambition and her husband who "owes" her the presidency. I'm unsure why the entire country has to be complicit in his guilt.
April 18, 2008 7:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really shoddy tactics by ABC:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/nash-mcnabe-why-do-you-hate-th.php
April 18, 2008 2:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Also, "I just barfed all over my shoes" is the new "I threw up in my mouth a little bit." Keep it hip.
April 18, 2008 2:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
That "Do you think that Reverend Wright loves America as much as you do?" question was the one most damning of Staphanopolous. It was obviously constructed to be a trap with NO correct answer. Obama says yes, and he helps to apply one more whipping to a dead horse. Obama says no, well, now his own patriotism becomes questioned. Which is exactly where the question is really designed to go since Obama had already very publicly denounced Wrights's remarks. Obama perceived this trap and tried to jump over it with as much dignity as he could muster.
April 18, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please reverse my YES and NO Obama responses. Sorry for my mix-up.
April 18, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
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