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I need your help!
My step-dad in North Carolina just got the "50 Lies of Obama" email. Up until this point he had been a pretty strong supporter, but now he wants to know if these accusations are true. He is a white factory-working dude who loved Reagan but has since gotten involved in union-organizing and civil rights activism, partly out of outrage for the crimes of Dubya. He is exactly the kind of person who is ready to commit to a new kind of politics, so long as he is not persuaded that Obama is, indeed, a malevolent unknown quantity.
Not too long ago someone posted a point-by-point refuting of the 50 Lies on TPM (or possibly Daily Kos). Since the search function on here is crap, I'm having a tough time finding it. Anybody know where it is?
If not, can we work together to put together a solid case showing why each of these allegations is absurd? Time is of the essence, and we need to have our own info ready to deploy before these crucial primaries.
I'm pasting the text of the odious email below:
Barak Obama - 50 Lies and
Counting: Posted on Political forum.com - Elections and Campaigns. Share with
friends
1.) Selma Got Me Born -
LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect
on your birth, as Selma
was in 1965.
2.) Father Was A Goat
Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work
with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud
Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent
governments Kenya
has ever had
4.) My Family Has Strong
Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass
violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is
the first widespread violence in decades.
5.) My Grandmother Has
Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am
according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow
her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African
Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and Baraka (from which Barack came) means
blessed in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
7.) I Never Practiced
Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a
Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you
could run for office.
8.) My School In Indonesia Was
Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in
Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
9.) I Was Fluent In
Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I
Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10,
and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the
Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) I Am Stronger On
Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle
East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the
planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early
Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to
be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify -
your classmates said you were just fine.
13.)An Ebony Article
Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention
in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine
Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you
mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won't Run On A
National Ticket In '08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that
you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having
experience first.
16.) Present Votes Are
Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have
130 NO VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted -
LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change
your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor
Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A
Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There
Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it,
or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was
Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear
Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and
lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from
which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My
State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for
have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The
Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people
who remedied Altgeld
Gardens . You failed to mention
anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill
Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a
proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold
Leader In Illinois
- LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your
part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My
Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to
you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid
for higher office.
28.) No One Contacted Canada About
NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the
conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On
Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran
Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the
destruction of Israel .
30.) I Am Not Acting As
President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in
Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together
on getting FARC recognized officially.
31.) I Didn't Run Ads In
Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two
weeks - and you still lost.
32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you
didn't.
33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did
not.
34.) I Want All Votes To
Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.
35.) I Want Americans To
Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters,
force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
36.) I passed 900 Bills
in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write
yourself.
37.) My Campaign Was
Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not
stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.
38.) I Believe In
Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from
running against you.
39.) I Don't Take PAC
Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.
40.) I don't Have
Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
41.) My Campaign Had
Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on
his Apple in one afternoon.
42.) My Campaign Never
Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this
advertising to MySpace clients.
43.) I Inspire People
With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people's words.
44.) I Have Passed Bills
In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for
Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.
45.) I Have Always Been
Against Iraq
- LIAR, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it
every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You
also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.
46.) I Have Always
Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the
15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.
47.) I Only Found Out
About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as
having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter
ever being created or sent.
48.) I Am As Patriotic
As Anyone - LIAR, you won't wear a flag pin and you don't put your hand over
your heart during the Anthem.
49.) My Wife Didn't Mean
What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife's words follow lock-step
in the vain of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred
of America .
50.) Wal-Mart Is A
Company I Wouldn't Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quarter of a
million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.
PASS IT ON PLEASE..and counting:













Comments (41)
What a catchy, sneaky, devious way to post these "LIES" about Obama.
If the Troll-a-thon was still going on, you'd win hands down for creativity.
April 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are kidding, right?
April 28, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why would you think he might be kidding?
I had exactly the same reaction.
April 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't see how this paranoia is going to serve us very well.
Anyway, thanks for the help!
April 28, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember the great Obama moment where he brushed it all off his shoulders? Might work for ya!
April 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I take pretty much all my life lessons from Obama and Jay-Z, it's true
April 28, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because ackbarjenkins has enough history to think she's sincere.
April 28, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't understand what's wrong with people on this website. you guys are really mean. i know akbarjenkins personally. and I know his step dad too, who btw is a huge obama supporter and also a working class white male. so if you can stop being assholes and maybe help us find that post on TPM a few weeks ago that debunked each and every lie that he was emailed, that would be a lot more helpful.
jerks.
i thought obama's message includes how we treat one another. you should really learn to treat people better, even in this virtual world.
April 28, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Akbar has history here -- please check before jumping to conclusions. It's pretty easy to check.
April 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have seen these lies before. And I have seen here on TPM a thorough debunking, it was several weeks ago. Im looking for it...
April 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
yeah, i read it too. i'm trying to find it, but this god forsaken website is a nightmare to search in!! Someone needs to fix the search engine so it actually works!!
April 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it's not here on TPM or Kos then I'm sure there's something on one of the many fact-checkers on the Obama site.
The problem with these is that they're mostly straw men - things that Obama has never said in the first place, ergo (obviously) pretty easy to knock down as lies.
Obama: "I learnt to speak French while orbiting the moon." LIAR!
April 28, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, a lot of the points are just silly, but also difficult to "debunk" outright... like, I don't know how to prove definitively that Obama never said he was fluent in Indonesian, or that Michelle got money from Wal-Mart. I assume it's all untrue, but it would nice to have the list refuting each point in case someone had already done the leg-work on each of them.
April 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
i remember the walmart one from that debunking post.
she was involved in treehouse or some organization with that name. that in past had something to do with walmart, but michele is no longer involved with that group.
April 28, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes Obama's site has debunked the main ones, Kos has a better search engine to find the "Viral response project" which has more. The one I saw here was a direct response, i remember the Walmart too, and his name is Arabic. I thought I saved it for a rainy day. The sender is untrackable so far
April 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, thanks for helping out. I really do appreciate it!
(sincerely, no snark)
April 28, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who's sending this out in NC?
April 28, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's his buddies at work... many of them have been reluctant to go along with the UAW when it tells them to vote for Democrats, since they've been Clinton-hating Republicans for so long, but some of the guys (like my stepdad) have been coming around to a new way of thinking. I'm really just surprised it took them this long for him to get one of these smear emails...
April 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a snopes.com page that debunks a whole slew of such Obama myths, though not exactly all the ones in your list (maybe, though -- I only read about a dozen before I couldn't stand it anymore!!)
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
April 28, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
hey, thanks... that's good stuff
April 28, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
For one thing - Indonesia is not anywhere near the middle east it's in the far east. So from the obvious complete lack of geographical context this must be originated by the not so elite, "education is a bad thing", Republicans.
April 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I recall it was the TPMer with the Marx avatar, whose name I cannot recall right now. It was in response to a post by gotalife...
I'm looking too.
April 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
i found the link in my email: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/that-list.php
it doesn't seem to exist anymore.
April 28, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
thanks!
April 28, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah I just found it too, it was roo P, so why is the blog MIA? TPM bug?
April 28, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, this isn't what you were looking for, but take a look. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/13/12313/0258
April 28, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a lot of good stuff. I know this might take some work, but I think that to effectively combat this particular list, each item on the list should be specifically answered, in order, as it appears on the list. It's sort of like when you ask a politician a question and they don't answer it -- if you just rebut with info that doesn't address those specific questions directly, people will think their questions aren't being answered. Even if they are!
April 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm, yeah, I remembered roo_P posted it, but it's not among the posts in his blog. Weird. But I'll bet he has a copy he'd repost. Akbar, see if you can find roo_P and request a repost.
April 28, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
that'd be great, thanks!
April 28, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I found a cached copy from Google, which is better than nothing and should get you going. roo_P's refutation was outstanding, btw.
April 28, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome. I copied it, too to save. Well done sir.
I search manually 4/9 posts at 1:30am, its not there. Can a poster delete an entry?
How do you contact a poster? I'd like to ask roo_P if he deleted it, say, if he found some facts weren't accurate enough.
April 28, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice catch. Never would have thought of that.
April 28, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I saved it in a Word doc so it's around in the future. Too bad there were only a few comments on the cached thread. As I recall people made some good additions to the info.
I also tried pasting in roo_P's whole post as a response here (attributed to him, of course) and I got a message saying the post was being held for approval. I wonder if that had to with how lengthy the post was??
April 28, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's been my experience that when you get that message your post disappears into the ether. Someone told me it had something to do with the number of links in the post, but who knows.
As far as contacting Roo_P, I think you'll just have to wait for him to get on TPM and ask him in a comment thread. He hasn't been on since late last night as of now.
April 28, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Y'know what, just have your dad read Obama's books. Actually, have him listen to it on tape or CD in Obama's voice. One gets a real sense of the man doing that, and his life story is pretty much laid bare in his first book.
April 28, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
They are the truth about Obama.
Tell your Dad Hillary Clinton will be the next President.
Vote for her.
April 28, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
He is the sort of fellow who would rather eat nails while breakdancing on hot coals than vote for Hillary Clinton. Sorry to say. In his case, it's either Obama or McCain.
April 28, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi!
It looks like the Google Cache version GMan linked to earlier is the only surviving copy online. I have been unable to find a front- or back way to the archives to see if it can be located there. That means that the comments are gone, unless TPM staff can retrieve the post. The master record had at least some of the commenters' updates too but I will not get that posted at least until early July when I get back.
Just reposting the cached version should be fine, I will do so later today unless someone else wants to go ahead and do it before then (proxy here will decline POST requests over 1kiB.)
April 29, 2008 1:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hi Roo_P
Thanks for doing this great work on rebutting the 50 Lies. We have been retooling the list after doing a little more research - would it be all right if we published a "50 Truths about Barack Obama" list that incorporated some of your language? We added more information in some places and changed a few parts, but we didn't reword everything. I'd be happy to email it to you if you like before making it public.
April 29, 2008 7:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
here is a draft
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddzvw4c7_137cbhvxhcn
April 29, 2008 7:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
That looks great! Please, go right ahead and use it, that is what it was for.
April 29, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
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