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How ABC Overtly and Subtly Manipulated the Debate

We all saw the overt ways that the debate was a hit job on Obama. The skewed line of questioning, the not letting him finish before interrupting him, etc.

But did you notice how ABC kept cutting away to Hillary supporters? Most notably daughter Chelsea and Mayor Nutter during key moments in the debate?  I guess Obama didn't have any supporters in the audience, right? No Bob Casey, No Michelle Obama? Nobody?

Did you notice that when Obama was speaking, esp after that torrid half hour  hit job, that ABC kept taking reaction shots of the crowd ONLY in response to OBAMA's answers, in a not so subtle attempt to sway viewer opinion?

Did you notice all of the subtle reverence paid to John McCain.

On so many levels this "debate" was an complete  farce 

And now on ABC's website, one of their headlines reads "Dems Play Nice: Clinton Concedes Obama Could Take McCain."

So ABC throws the rock and then hides their hand.

There was no "playing nice" on that stage tonight.

ABC AND Clinton ought to be ashamed.
 


Comments (52)

Things to do that don't involve pulling an Ayers on ABC. Donate to the Obama campaign. Call Pennsylvanians or go to Pennsylvania if you can. Call your representatives and urge them to end this now. The only person that came out looking good was McCain. This is not good for the party or the country.

Good idea. I just sent the largest donation to Obama that I have given thus far. In Eugene, Or, I've seen one Hillary sticker on a car, while Obama stickers and signs in yards are numerous.

Right....... Blame the moderators.


Just admit that you're bitter that your guy made a FUCKING MESS of himself.

Your brain is the fucking mess.

And your sneaky candidate is a bona fide liar who is still going to lose.

I bet Obama gets even more support from his base and undecided Superdelegates in the days ahead.

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Now now, I didn't see you complaining when the moderators were biased against Hillary.

In Obama's defence for this lousy performance, he hasn't had much experience of pointedly aggressive questioning in a debate before. If he is the nominee, I sure as hell hope he gets much, much better, and quickly!

The real proof is in the pudding. Yum, delicious super-delegate flavored pudding.

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What Ms. Clinton forgets: the "kitchen sink" is a boomerang. When thrown at her opponent, it will come back to hit her. Where is Ms. Power, when you need her. She told the truth, when she said that Ms. Clinton "will stoop to anything" to get the nomination. I used to have a positive view of the Clinton presidency, was neutral on Ms. Clinton's ambitions. Ms. Clinton managed to convince me that there is only one thing worse than another Republican presidency - another Clinton presidency. Ms. Clinton has shown herself as a trashy inhabitant of the political gutter. She has disgraced herself and ruined her political career. I cannot imagine that after President Obama's terms in office end, anyone would want to have a poisonous infusion of GWB in the reincarnation of one Hillary Clinton. Now Joe Liebermann led her the way to go, go Republican, maybe she finds her real home as well, since she is a closet Republican.

Obama and his minions need to shut up, suck it up, and Barry O needs to grow a pair. Obama lost the debate, hands down, he plained sucked. What would you expect from an empty suit.

Can you do anything other than spew failed talking points?

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Hey Mediaplayer, catch up with the Drudge and ABC polls. Your lady lost rather spectacularly, at least with the online voters.

Your lady lost rather spectacularly, at least with the online voters.

And with the superdelegates. Don't forget the superdelegates.

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How about, the corporate media need to keep this thing going. First and foremost, they exist to make a profit. In their own interest, Clinton, McCain and the press et al are all colluding to extend the primary season.

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Probably some truth to that. Don't forget, though, that they also initially colluded to worship Obama, to set up a battle and extend the primary season.

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Absolutely. Their just WHORES!!!

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There is little public service in the corporate media.

I didn't think Obama did very well on several questions.

We came in about half way through the debate and immediately thought, "what happened to him?" He seemed shaken and we didn't see his usual outstanding debate skills. Let's not forget--he's usually OUTSTANDING in debates.

I did think there was some moderator bias. Obama got very tough, kind-of ridiculous questions and was interrupted a lot, and I thought the lighting was awful on him. He is so handsome and looked a bit grey. Maybe an over-reaction on my part?

Hillary looked relaxed and happy (and well-lit). She was a bit tedious at times, and spoke mostly in generalities, but was certainly more composed.

So yeah. What's up? If it were the first debate, I'd think. Wow. Obama's not a great debater! Not that it ever matters in an election (remember Bush v. Kerry? Kerry kicked ass and Bush looked stupid and nobody cared). But I KNOW Obama's an awesome debater...so something was awry.

Just go back and watch the first 40 minutes of the debate. It was a complete three-way hit job on Obama. That's what he was reacting to.

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OUTSTANDING? Which debates have you been watching? He's certainly gotten much better in recent debates (with the exception of this one), but outstanding he is not.

Foreigner...you're right. I have actually only watched one full debate and listened to pieces of others, so I shouldn't have made that statement.

I could never run for prez the way I exaggerate, let me say that right up front.

In the debate I watched in February, I thought he was outstanding, but my sister (a Clinton supporter) tells me that overall Clinton has done better in debates, so I will concede this point.

He is outstanding at speaking publicly in general, though, even in remarks that aren't rehearsed, and I felt that his patterns of speech were not characteristic last night. Very spaced-out.

All that aside, I worry he was ganged up on last night...dare I say lynched. Maybe I will go back and watch the first 40 min, maybe I don't want to. Ugh.

Any sign that the system is rigged gives me the creeps. No matter who benefits or suffers.

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Emma, he never speaks without a teleprompter. When he is without it something such as "these people" comments come out. I'd suggest taking a real look at your candidate.

I already looked at yours. She's a damn liar!

Plus you can't take a real look at Hillary, because she never looks a questioner in the eye. As she answers her eyes are everywhere; on the ceiling, or the two walls to her left or right. But not on the questioner.

Another clear sign of lying.

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Your obviously much too clever for her. Your right. She can't open her mouth without uttering a lie. In fact, nothing that she has said or ever will say is a lie. And she is a complete lowlife and is either a Nazi or Republican or both. She obviously has no redeeming qualties as a human being and should catapult herself off the Empire State building.........Is that good enough for Obamaistas?

First it's you're....

Secondly, she should catapult herself -- not off the Empire State building -- but onto a psychiatrist's couch. Instead of taking so much money from drug companies (the most of any person in congress) perhaps, instead, she can get herself a new prescription.

Because something is clearly awry in Ms Clinton's cerebrum.

Insane in the membrane!

Well, this isn't true. I've seen him speak without one. All politicians use them for big speeches. Some cling to them more than others...

Also, as I have said before, even if I didn't like almost everything I have read or heard about him politically, my family knows him and he is just as smart, thoughtful, kind, open-minded and passionate about the country as he seems. I don't really need to look any closer, thanks.


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Replay the "debate."

It's not nearly as bad as you think as an Obama supporter. It seems bad b/c the both the questions and moderators and Clinton pushed on Obama the first 45 minutes, while Obama gave Clinton passes.

However, Obama withstood the initial 45 minute onslaught from the poorly researched heavily-biased moderators and "kitchen-sink" Clinton, thrived at a few diffusing counter-punches that made the moderators look a bit silly and not only avoided attacking Clinton, but gave her several passes.

Clinton's sole goal was to go contra -- and ABC allowed her to do so with both the format and the questions that were catered to her. Of course, if you are counting what was "debated" she would "win." Anytime you spend 45 minutes speaking about your opponents gaffes you should "win."

However, again in the broader context and to reporters HRC will lose.
She said "Obama can beat McCain."

That's a huge loss, now if she goes back on her word to supers it reinforces that negative image to supers.

Lastly, the debate was absolutely so lop-sided that there is already a sharply negative contrast building up in columns and even news reports. HRC as negative do anything, BHO as "high-minded."

It's true. The overt bias was so clumsy it was obvious to everyone, and it feeds into Senator Obama's message that we need to get away from the small minded politics, onto real problems.

And I appreciate that this diarist also noted the nuanced bias with the camera and producers. I kept wondering why Senator Clinton's daughter was on screen so much of the night.

I agree. Certainly this debate will go down as the worst and most biased in history. I think Obama gets a bump from it.

Yeah, I hope so. However, I don't underestimate their ability to do an even worse job. :P

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For Hillary, the Bosnia issue represents the accusation that she's an untrustworthy, power-mad powerbroker willing to do or say anything.

For Obama, the Wright/Flag-Pin/Ayers issues represents the underlying accusations that he's an angry black supremacist who is only running for President as an act of covert sabotage towards a country he hates.

I'd have more respect for ABC if they would just ask "Obama, are you an angry Black Supremacist who is only running for President as an act of covert sabotage towards a country you hate?" ... for cutting through haze and actually getting to the meat of the accusation (especially for someone like Gibson who prides himself a "straight shooter for the common folk, who ain't buying none of that fandangled nuance. You start getting into nuance, next thing you know you're drinking tea with your pinky sticking out.")

Of course, in the light of day the entire accusation is completely laughable, which is why it will never happen.

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Anyone wanna bet whether SNL mocks this?

I bet the Daily Show will have some fun with this too.

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Sadly, George and Charlie escorted Mrs. Clinton onto the stage and held her hands as she yet again hiked up her pant suit and voided her bowels onto the body politic.

It was then even sadder to watch then wallow in the effluent.


Apparently sociopaths can also become politicians.

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I'm just sayin'

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......nothing of particular value

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Subtly? I don't think so. Judging from the response I'd go more for obvious.

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My note to ABC news (reprinted here by permission ;-P)

The Democratic debate last night was terrible, not because of the candidates, but because of the rediculous questions posed by the moderators. More than half of this farse focused on worthless gotcha questions. And 50 minutes passed before a real issue, the economy, even came up! I cannot believe how far down ABC News has sunk. This may have been the worst debate I have ever seen. So, to ABC News I blow a big raspberry. You've earned it.

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Louisville '75 is just flat out wrong. Just because you only see Sen. Obama on news clips, doesn't mean he only speaks with a teleprompter. Obviously you didn't see him in Santa Barabara last year or in L.A. or back in 2002 when he spoke out against the War before Sen. Clinton gave Mr. Bush the benefit of the doubt. I would go on to say you've probably never seen him live.

Review last night's debate. Almost every attack she was trying to make were pre-written. She kept looking at her notes. Someone else's attack points. She always look at her notes. Her campaign is more pre-scripted than anyone's.

Senator Clinton supporters strive to be honest. Stop dumbing down the process. Williams Ayersisn't to blame for the $4.27 gas prices in my neighborhood. Rev. Wright has never laid-off my uncles in the Midwest. And Rezko is not responsible for the senseless deaths in Iraq.

Is it that the Clinton campaign can't win on the real issues, so they might as well prop up the non-issues?

Our process is becoming a joke to the world.

Amen!

That should be a post by itself. Consider doing that.

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No, not wrong. I've seen enough of him to know what I see. Sorry ...

You don't need to go much further than the comments on ABC's website to see that most viewers agree with your assertion that it was a hit job. But, hey--ABC is clearly in the tank for McCain, so of course they're going to hit Obama as hard as they can.

The goal is to keep Hillary in the race. As long as she's in the race, they've got news and McCain has a chance. Once Hillary drops out, her supporters are going to need to make a decision. And when they really consider what a McCain presidency would be about, they're NOT going to vote for McCain. Certainly not women voters who are pro-choice. Once Obama has the nomination, all this talk about he and McCain being "tied" is going to be over.

I predict this election will be a landslide for the Democrats.

I agree. I've always felt that Hillary was the hard part for Obama -- partially because they have similar policy points, partially because she's a woman, and partially because he really couldn't risk waging an all-out war with her.

Today in a town hall meeting in NC, when someone asked how he planned to take on the Republicans in light of last night's debate, Obama's response was that what he faced last night basically was the roll out of the Republican playbook by Hillary Clinton. That their whole strategy would be to focus on personal attacks and gaffes, and to not deal with the bigger core issues that help Americans pay their bills. He acknowledged that he would get better with delivering crisp responses to such attacks and pivot back to the major issues. But finally he said, when it's time to fight the Republicans, not to worry, because he will go after them HARD. But that in the current race with a fellow Democrat, he feels a burden to exercise a degree of restraint.

So again, for various reasons, I think McCain will be a hell of a lot easier for him to deal with.

Would everyone please take a moment to write to your ABC affiliate and complain about this travesty. I cannot imagine that any journalism student, while daydreaming in class about moderating a presidential debate someday in front of the whole world with the ability to ask any question to a future world leader would ask why they stopped wearing the flag lapel pin.

Actually I have written them. The problem is ABC received very high ratings from last night's debate. So will ABC view it as a failure because they are catching so much flack or as a success because so many viewers tuned in?

Personally, I wish the studio audience had raised more hell, even to the point of disrupting the show.

After all, it was live.

Waiting until 2 seconds prior to the show signing off to raise a stink doesn't help much.

Senator Clinton supporters strive to be honest. Stop dumbing down the process. Williams Ayers isn't to blame for the $4.27 gas prices in my neighborhood. Rev. Wright has never laid-off my uncles in the Midwest. And Rezko is not responsible for the senseless deaths in Iraq.

Well said. Ayer's, Wright, Rezko... even Bosnian snipers, etc. are all white noise meant to distract from the real issues. It is a more stealthy form of "wedge" issue distraction to get people to argue of the irrelevant pop-celebrity tabloid kerffufle style of nonsense, instead of discussing, debating real issues, or exploring the fuller context of the issues and possible remedies to said issues we face as a nation and within the world.

crap... the blockquote tag got messed up there. The first paragraph was quoting BlueStateRepublican's post.

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Check out the article “Barack’s “Underground” Friends” http://savagepolitics.com/?p=291


http://www.savagepolitics.com
brilliant writing plus it offers a great community in which to discuss. The editor actually takes time to answer and the political humor section is awesome!!!

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We all saw what MSNBC tried to do to Hillary Clinton in the previous debate. They ganged up on her from the very beginning, not even letting her make an opening statement. They threw only one tough question to Obama at the very end. They interrupted Hillary and contradicted her again and again. It was three against one. And she came out ahead. She proved she could take it. And at the very end she had that wonderful moment when she extended her hand to Obama and said how proud she was. People were talking about that for a long time.

So last night Obama finally gets some tough questions, and he wilts under fire. And now everyone is trying to blame ABC. No. Obama failed under fire. That is what has his supporters so upset. If he had handled the situation well, his supporters would be rejoicing today instead of trying to portray him as a victim. Victims don't win.

Victims don't win?

Good. Neither Hillary or McCain will be President then.

Clinton is headed straight back to the Senate with a muddy pantsuit. Oh wait, first she's gonna campaign on behalf of Barack Obama for President. That's right.

That's when you'll see a real "victim", Otto.

A victim of her own damn ego.

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He finally faced some tough questions? Were they relevant? At all? Do the answers to these questions help you determine who would be a better president? Do they? If you find these questions to be at all essential for any candidate to answer in order for this candidate to get your vote then I suggest you re-visit your criterias for selecting a president. Flag-pin? Wright? "bitter" remarks? Tough questions would have been: Obama, are you a racist? Do you hate America? Are you an Elitist? But not even you would ask him these questions because even Hillary knows the answers to all of them. The fact is that everyone has tried to bring Obama into the silly season but Barack "placed his bet on the American people...and (he's) winning that bet." He has decided that telling the truth to the American people will pay off in the long run, not just for him, but for America.

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Anyone notice other subtleties? Bwildered over at Dailykos analyzed the graphics, and I think he's got a really insightful blog on this. Strange lighting, psychology of the missing elevated audience, Barack covering the "we the people wording..." These are damning facts to support the case that it was a full-on, scripted hit job. Hillary may not have had the questions leaked by her friend George, but the staging, well, take a second look, see what you think. 527 indeed

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/17/05437/8335/1000/497340

Good for GS and Charlie. In a minute, I'm about to donate another $25 to Obama online.

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