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Hillary gets it, now if only Obama does too...
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/clinton_democrats_must_back_no.html
Senator Clinton shows she got my point (which was obvious, I thought, but apparently not, given the silence on TPM that met my suggestion in an earlier blog) that party unity trumps whoever wins the nomination and whomever most loudly proclaims their party loyalty will sound most presidential. Now it is time for Senator Obama to take my advice (which is obvious enough that only TPM partisans on both sides could possibly have ignored it, which they did) and spend a decent portion of his campaign war chest doing what Clinton did in a speech: promote party unity --whoever wins the nomination has the full support of Obama and his supporters must understand that it is all about a not-Bush winning in November. Barack Obama must start a reasonably large ad campaign promoting the Democratic nominee, man or woman, for President of the USA and show it in the states where primaries have already been held (especially in states neighboring those about to hold primary elections, for reasons that should have been obvious when I first suggested it).












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April 29, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It is all about a "not-Bush" winning in November".
No. To Hillary and Bill, it's all about a "not-Clinton" winning in November. The very thought of someone else, (anyone else) taking the oath of office in January 2009 enrages them.
There's a difference between ambition and blind rage.
April 29, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
That may be her belief, but that isn't what she said. She said all the right things to the Indianapolis Star. Obama spent far too much money in PA and apparently reached and passed the point of diminishing returns by saturating the airwaves with "vote for me" ads. He can have a far better effect on his own chances in the upcoming primaries by spending the extra money in neighboring states promoting the not-Bush (no need to mention John McCain by name) candidate who will NOT "continue with 4 more years of failed foreign and domestic policies that have made us weak at home and abroad."
April 29, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, she spoke her mind. Believe me... She does NOT want to see John McCain in office.
We all can acknowledge that.
April 29, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has spoken for unity, and I'm sure he would support the nominee if it's someone other than him, but it's not as simple as you make it sound. The positions are not analagous.
It's different for Obama, as the frontrunner, with an unassailable delegate lead, to actively campaign at this point for his supporters to embrace Clinton if she is able to derail his candidacy. It would be like Nancy Kerrigan, if she knew Tonya Harding were plotting to break her legs, urging that Harding not be penalized if her plan were successful.
I see what you're saying, but I think what bothers Obama supporters about this line of thought is the implication that Obama and Clinton are in analogous positions in the race - that they're deadlocked and have both used fair tactics, and that their negatives and electibility have been weighted on the same scales. In fact Obama is ahead and Clinton is using Rovian tactics and Republican support to weaken his candidacy.
We're exhausted from years of defending the Clintons' flaws against Republican attacks - we just don't want to do it again. Obama is pledging unity, but enthusiasm is harder to muster.
Given the unique situation and the enormous distrust of Clinton among Democrats, if she does derail Obama's candidacy the Party should nominate a ticket without Clinton on it. Not sure who it should be, but I am truly afraid that a Clinton ticket would wreck the Party.
April 29, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
What I see, is the kitchen sink trumps party loyalty. If this degrades into more mudslinging, the only winner is McCain.
Maybe the Right is so dispirited the Dems have it to lose but, lose it they will if we are splintered into tow camps.
Hey, I want the party united yesterday but the only way to do this is to have this settled as honorably as possible. Kitchen sinks are not what the majority of voters give a damn about RIGHT NOW. Speak to those concerns in a convincing way and we have a better chance.
April 29, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I see what you're saying, but I think what bothers Obama supporters about this line of thought is the implication that Obama and Clinton are in analogous positions in the race - that they're deadlocked and have both used fair tactics, and that their negatives and electibility have been weighted on the same scales. In fact Obama is ahead and Clinton is using Rovian tactics and Republican support to weaken his candidacy"
And Obama supporters have been using Rovian tactics against Clinton -- as you do immediately above.
Do yourself and everyone else a favor: stop pretending that you know what a "huge" number of Democrats are fed up with, etc. You don't know, and to assert otherwise is a dishonest effort to make your voice seem louder than it can actually be. You don't, in short, speak for me, or for most of the Democrats -- and some Republicans -- I know.
At present, most I know will vote for ANY Democrat, though they would prefer Clinton because she does have experience Obama DOES NOT have. "Hope" is nice, but howw useful is that when you need a screwdriver? Or a hammer?
April 29, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's only talking about this now because it's politically expedient. Obama is reeling with the Wright fiasco (again) and she wants to look like the safer candidate preaching party unity.
I say bollocks. She is such a phony.
April 29, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last Friday Obama announced two long term plans to build the Democratic Party: a six month voter registration drive (funded by his campaign) and a deal with the DNC for joint fund raising (with the majority of the money going to the DNC.) He didn't say he would do these only if he got the nomination - he committed to building the Democratic Party no matter what. When the DNC asked Hillary to make the same fund raising commitment they got the cold shoulder. To me, committing with money with the express goal of building the Party over the next six months very loudly proclaims his party loyalty. What I saw read in your article was Clinton arguing on why African Americans should vote for her if she wins the nomination, not her making any commitment of loyalty herself to either the nominee or the Democratic Party.
April 29, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't worry about Obama getting it, I don't think he is smart enough to fetch the morning paper.
Just my opinion, you understand.
April 29, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ergoquid: it doesn't matter what Obama supporters think, it matters what the undecided voters think;
LBJ's Brain: by making a gesture of party unity in states where the vote has already been decided (which just happen to be next to the states with primaries), Obama looks nobel, not just to Clinton supporters in those states but to the undecided in those states AND in the states with upcoming primaries. This isn't JUST about being nobel: this is about getting votes now and in the general election and healing the rift starting NOW, not 2-3 months from now.
JNagarya: If you're an Obama supporter, you want and expect Obama to win not just the nomination but the election. This would, I think, help do both. It targets moderates of both parties in the states it's aired in, and indirectly in the neighboring states that it isn't aired in where Deomcratic primaries are about to be held.
Jonze: Politically expedient while appearing nobel is a good thing, especially in a hotly contested election. Clinton was able to make a token gesture towards being nobel. Obama can afford a gesture that is far from token: reminding everyone that the Bush administration, including the Republican Congress (in a subtle guilt-by association game) has been a disaster and it is time for a Democrat (Barack Obama) to lead a new government out of the mess.
JackieinCA: you may be correct about Clinton's motives, and about Obama's motives, but it doesn't matter. What matters is what the rank-and-file moderates of both parties believe and *I* believe that if Obama conducts an ad campaign of this sort, it will have a very good effect on both his upcoming primaries AND on the election in November, and not just for Obama. Altruism without credit (like a "get out the vote" campaign) makes you feel good, but doesn't tell people that you are a good guy. An ad campaign that shows everyone you're a good guy does much better in that regard and that is what Obama needs: everyone thinking he is a good guy.
April 29, 2008 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nobel = noble
April 29, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just remember, thinking doesn't make it so, and good always trumpts evil.
April 29, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
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