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Hillary and Elton

I was at the Hillary/Elton fest last night. Not to see Hillary, not to see Elton, but because I had a free ticket and was fascinated by the spectacle (and enjoy being with my friends, who also had free tickets.)

In line, people were asking: Are you here for Hillary? Or for Elton? A ~lot~ of people were there for Elton.

That said, a woman behind me was there for Hillary. Why? "Because we don't know anything about Obama, because she has more experience, etc, etc." She spewed talking points. It was disappointing. "I think she would be better" is an opinion, not a reason.



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No, "because she would be better" is a reason as is "she has more experience". Those are both reasons to vote for someone. "She spewed talking points" is an opinion.

LOL BevD.

More experience depends on how experience is defined. Obama has been in legislature longer than Hillary. Hillary has been on the national and international scene (but not in elected office) longer than Obama. Both have more experience in different things. Both have less experience than McCain. More experience is not an argument that will beat McCain.

"Because she would be better" is complete opinion. How does one measure what hasn't happened? Even if we could travel to the respective futures of an Obama presidency and a Hillary presidency, measuring which was better is no simple task. It is opinion.

The act of "spewing talking points" is an observable behavior, which takes it out of the arena of opinion and puts the real of observable phenomenon. What was said can be compared to official Hillary talking points, and the claim can be substantiated.

I realize this is a parsing of semantics, but your post was suffering so badly it made me hurt inside.

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What's with the "LOL"? What are we, high schoolers text messaging?

First of all, I didn't say that either candidate had more experience, I said that is a reason to vote for someone, whether it is an argument that will beat McCain is not under discussion.

Secondly, "because she would be better" is a reason to vote for Clinton. Whether it is opinion or based on Clinton's track record doesn't matter, if that is the voter's reason it is her reason. There is no reason why anyone's opinions cannot be reasonable, reasons or opinion based reasoning. What is the blogger's reason for voting for Obama? Does she think he's better than the other candidates? By inductive reasoning she may draw that conclusion where others may draw a different conclusion.

So obviously, more experience and a projection of Clinton as a better president are deductive and inductive reasons for voting for her.

There are no "official Hillary talking points" because her campaign has not issued an "official" list. You cannot "observe" anything in this case, because the extent to which the woman has knowledge of those "talking points" is not known. Because the blogger has qualified the woman's delivery of her reasons as "spewing" which has negative connotations and is pejorative in its nature, it is subjective and not objective, others may have observed different behavior and thought the woman was merely talking and not spewing. Because the blogger has not provided the reader with any evidence of "spewing" it is reasonable to conclude that it is the blogger's opinion.

Candidates' supporters are biased and generally characterize other supporters as incapable of "correct reasoning" or "spewing talking points" not because the other supporters are, but because they disagree with them. Obviously the woman offered the blogger reasons why she supports Clinton, whether those reasons are opinion based or not doesn't make them something other than reasons just because the blogger won't accept them or disagrees with the reasons.

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So, whats the reason behind Obama? Most of the posts here say he gave two great speaches in his lifetime and they "feel" he will bring change. "yes we can"? What is that besides a feeling.

Not to mention the fact that if she doesn't know much about Obama any comparison of the two will be lopsided. I get frustrated when people tell me they don't know much about one of the candidates. Whose fault is that? Get on the internet for 30 minutes and learn. Don't have internet? Go to the library. I would say turn on the TV, but there's not much to learn there. The information is out there. These people have been campaigning for over a year! In any event, the woman is entitled to make her choice however she deems, I suppose.

And how did you all have free tickets? I thought it was supposed to be a fundraiser. ???

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