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Heston is Dead, along with many other Americans, thanks to him
Today's media trumpets the announcement of the death of Charlton Heston. While some give passing notice to his support of the radical right wing, none in the MSM accurately indict him for the uncountable deaths his so-called "convictions" have caused. For more than forty years, Heston supported the NRA gun nuts and the GOP warmongers. Certainly, his work as an actor is worthy of note. However, the legacy of his involvement in things political leaves a legacy of death and destruction on the battlefields of Iraq and in America's cities. The best I can say, at least his hands are now cold and dead.
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Comments (36)
Perhaps a good day to give to he Brady Campaign.
April 6, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
indeed
April 6, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
One must be amazed by the hypocrisy of the GOP... they condemn "Hollywood" and yet embrace Charlton Heston, Mel Gibson, and Chuck Norris... three of Hollywood's biggest hate-filled bigots of the 21st century... Clearly, the GOP is no longer the party of Lincoln and hasn't been since 1964. Rather, it is the party of unapologetic bigotry.
April 6, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
What exactly IS the GOP the party of?
War
Wealth (for 1% of the population)
Values -- NOT!
Personal responsiblity (for everyone except themselves)
What else?
April 6, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
In Greece, Charlton's second name is written "Easton" because "Heston" in Greek means "shit him".
April 6, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the spirit of finding common ground with even the most disagreeable of persons:
Charleton Heston - "Mr Clinton, when what you say is wrong, that's a mistake. When you know it's wrong, that's a lie."
April 6, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find it hard to gloat over a man's death. He wasn't exactly a Hitler, was he? He held strong views with which I disagreed. But he seemed an honorable person in many ways. I wished I liked his acting more.
April 6, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I think he was a pretty gifted actor. That said, his involvement with the NRA and other right ring radical ideology was repugnant.
I do feel empathy for his wife of many years. This has to be a heartwrenching time for the family.
April 6, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
a pretty gifted actor
??
The measure of Orson Welles' genius was that he actually extracted an acting job from Heston in Touch of Evil.
Unfortunately, his subsequent directors were lesser men.
April 7, 2008 3:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Planet of the Apes!!!
April 6, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well..'Moses' did part the Red Sea..and old 'Ben' drove one hell of a chariot race...
April 6, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heston was afflicted with Alzheimers for many years. I often wondered if it afflicted his thinking about guns.
April 6, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Considering his "thinking" (or lack there of) started in 1964, I doubt Alzheimers afflicted his thinking... perhaps the other way around.
April 6, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
what a low class SOB you are..have no respect for the dead even tho you disagree with them??
April 6, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Being dead does not raise my opinion of a person. If anything, they now lack the ability to redeem themselves.
Just to get the Godwin over with, would you also advocate "respect" when speaking of Adolf since he is now dead?
April 6, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha! donnerpass beat you to it 7 comments ago.
April 7, 2008 12:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Heston's organization, and he was the president of it, is responsible for thousands of unnecessary deaths each year. Why should we mourn the death of a killer?
/and I am so damn tired of the sign in sign in sign in sign in crap
April 6, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have no respect for an asshole whether he/she be dead or alive.
April 7, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
"However, the legacy of his involvement in things political leaves a legacy of death and destruction on the battlefields of Iraq and in America's cities."
I never liked Heston, and I hate warmongers. But it is just plain false to say that the NRA is responsible for death and destruction in America's cities. No studies support that statement, and statistics refute it. The most gun deaths occur in cities with the toughest gun laws. And states and cities that decide to allow law-abiding citizens to carry guns experience either no increase in gun deaths or fewer gun deaths.
April 6, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
wrong...
April 7, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreeing with this.
You have to be a pretty bitter person to believe that it's okay to trash a dead man over politics.
April 6, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You have to be a pretty bitter person to believe that it's okay to trash a dead man over politics."
Gee - I guess I will have to throw out all my history textbooks. They have some pretty nasty things to say about Adolph Hitler.
I did not know that death conferred immunity to ones political legacy and positions.
April 6, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh... To me, his accomplishments as an actor are far more important than anything he did in politics.
And while I'll never be an NRA member, guns are just things and people have the right to own them if they want them (though I support reasonable regulation, of course).
I'm a Democrat who grew up in the southwest but now lives in New York City. To me, practical and logical regulation is local. Here in a major city with people all around me, owning a handgun doesn't make sense. But in the country, with a lot of space between me and others, it does.
The NRA is an extremist group, yes. But does anybody seriously support a total ban on gun ownership? Because that's just wrong.
April 6, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you, I don't support a total ban on guns. However, I do have a problem with the idea that the 2nd amendment in some way gives me the right to create an arsenal of machine guns and RPG launchers. In my youth, my 410/22 over-and-under was more than sufficient for hunting and defending myself. An RPG might have useful in the days of the dinosaurs :)
April 8, 2008 2:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know, there's a difference between trashing a dead person because he killed millions of people, and trashing a dead person because he held different political views than you. One is okay, because he's a monster. The other is not okay, because he didn't do anything different than you or I.
Yeah, Heston supported the NRA and gun ownership and whatnot (positions I disagree with), but he wasn't out there shooting people. All he had was an opinion.
April 6, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, considering Heston's political views haveresulted in countless deaths -- and they continue as we speak -- one cannot grant him absolution just because he's dead.
As for his being a bigot. I've not seen any evidence to support that claim.
April 8, 2008 2:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Yeah, Heston supported the NRA and gun ownership and whatnot (positions I disagree with), but he wasn't out there shooting people. All he had was an opinion."
Correct. And that is the opinion/position the original poster was criticizing.
What difference does his death have to do with it?
I was defending a PRINCIPLE - not a specific EXAMPLE of it. The principle is: One is always answerable for ones political positions - dead or alive.
April 6, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Every time a Reagan icon dies, an angel gets its wings.
April 7, 2008 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think you can blame one Republican for all the stupid deeds of the others. See my handle? That's what I think about Republicans, but Heston was right about the 2nd Amendment. With the government we have in place now, I'm surprised that everyone doesn't own a gun. Thank God we still have the right to buy and own one.
The nut-jobs are the ones running the country and I don't think owning a gun makes me a nut-job. It think it makes me a smart cookie.
Signed: A shameless liberal.
April 7, 2008 6:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Heston, like his gun promotions was uniquely American. Larger than life, easier to digest than reality. Like president Reagan, he exalted our fears and ignorance. Some morans believe that the Second amendment and gun ownership by the masses provides a neccessary check on the power of big government. Just look at another country where everyone was toting a gun: Iraq under Sadam Huissen.
April 7, 2008 6:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
By all accounts, Heston was a gentleman and a consummate professional. I always enjoyed his performances. He became more conservative with age, but the NY Times obit says:
He was an active supporter of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., calling him “a 20th-century Moses for his people,” and participated in the historic march on Washington in 1963.
April 7, 2008 7:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Before we all go bashing him for a singular position. Consider the whole man:
Charlton Heston (left) with Marlon Brando, James Baldwin, and Harry Belafonte at Civil Rights March 1963.
Charlton Heston (left) with Marlon Brando, James Baldwin, and Harry Belafonte at Civil Rights March 1963.
Heston with United States President Ronald Reagan during a meeting for the Presidential Task Force on the Arts and Humanities in the White House Cabinet Room, 1981.
Heston with United States President Ronald Reagan during a meeting for the Presidential Task Force on the Arts and Humanities in the White House Cabinet Room, 1981.
Heston campaigned for Presidential candidate Adlai Stevenson in 1956 and John F. Kennedy in 1960.[9] When an Oklahoma movie theater premiering his movie was segregated, he joined a picket line outside in 1961.[10] During the civil rights march held in Washington, D.C. in 1963, he accompanied Martin Luther King Jr. In later speeches, Heston said he helped the civil rights cause, "long before Hollywood found it fashionable."[11]
Following the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy in 1968, Heston and actors Gregory Peck, Kirk Douglas and James Stewart issued a statement calling for support of President Johnson's Gun Control Act of 1968.[12][13] He opposed the Vietnam War For wiki...
April 7, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dangit! Does html ever work at this site!
April 7, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, that's the strange and inconsistent thing about Heston, presidentraygun. The only explanation for his radical political shift might be that the Alzheimer's started to affect his brain around 1980.
And no, nothing works on this site.
April 7, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Heston was right about the 2nd Amendment."
No, he was not. He simply repeated the NRA's anti-Constitutional LIE about the Second Amendment. This is the first draft of that which became the Second Amendment, as written by James Madison -- note the final clause of it, which has my emphasis (and which doesn't appear in the ratified Second because it was voted down):
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well regulated, well armed militia being the best defense of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person."
Now break it down:
"People" is plural, exactly as it also is in "We the people". "Militia" is plural, not "individual". "Person" is individual, and in that phrase it is tied directly to INVOLUNTARY MILITARY SERVICE.
Further:
1. The "Bill of Rights" was debated and framed in the first Congress -- populated by Founders and Framers -- under the newly-ratified Constitution.
2. Ratification of the "Bill of Rights" -- and thus of the Second Amendment -- was completed on December 15, 1791.
3. Subsequently, Congress -- populated by Founders and Framers -- enacted "The Militia Act" on May 8, 1792.
4. The Second Amendment notwithstanding, "The Militia Act" regulates the militia, which -- the militia -- is within the scope of the Second Amendment.
5. That means: if the Second Amendment "protected" an "individual right" -- which it does not do -- it would not protect that right from regulation, any more than it "protects" the militia from regulation.
The NRA's lie is not only a lie, and not only anti-Constitutional, it is a BS dead end swallowed by suckers who are ignorant of the history of their own country, ignorant of reason, and ignorant of the Constitution itself, beginning with the fact, in this context, that the Second Amendment is only one of three stipulations in the Constitution which directly concern "militia". Read Article I., Sec. 8., clauses 15 and 16 for yourself.
Think: No sane, non-suicidal society leaves dangerous substances and objects lying around unregulated.
As for the debates and framing of the "Bill of Rights" see:
Creating the Bill of Rights: The Documentary Record from the First Federal Congress (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins, 1991), Ed. by Veit, et al.
The Bill of Rights and the States: The Colonial and Revolutionary Origins of American Liberties (Madison, WI: Madison House, 1994), Ed. by Patrick T. Conley and John P. Kaminski.
The Complete Bill of Rights: The Drafts, Debates, Sources, & Origins (NY: Oxford, 1997), Ed. by Neil H. Cogan.
In short: there is no "right of revolution," because the "Declaration" was not only not law, or plan of gov't, when written (and still isn't), and between it and the Constitution were the Articles of Confederation, but it is not to be conflated with the Constitution, which is the law of the land.
It's a simple choice: swallow unquestioned the NRA's anti-Americanism, or do your homework as required of a responsible citizen.
April 7, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think everyone is getting a little carried away with this, certainly on the aspect that Heston was a bigot. Yes, one could argue that promoting gun ownership adds to problems with primarily minority populations in places like the inner city. That would definitely not be wrong, although it would also not be wrong to extend this to the suburbs as well. Of course his support of Reagan didn't do anyone any favors, but there it is...
But let's not all just on the "he's a racist" train just because he supported the NRA. Apparently Heston was also very much against segregation and a great admirer of MLK back in the 1960's. Now, I know this doesn't mean he couldn't have changed his opinions, etc, but to label the man as part of a racist shooting mouthpiece is far from the reality and does little to breach any ground on gun violence.
April 8, 2008 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
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