BHO supporters are such a whiney bunch. HRC has had to face overwhelmingly unfair treatment this entire campaign season from the likes of CNN and MSNBC. The problem is that the obamatrons are so used to kid gloves treatment of their cult leader, that they have forgotten what objective news media sounds like.

I just called, they gave me another # to call, and then when I called that the automated voice told me to press 1, 2, 3 for primetime, sports, whatever, and then when I pressed one of these #s nothing happened.

Big bunch of nothing. But at least the one woman I talked to said that she had been getting lots of calls.

I posted this elsewhere but I'm so angry I can't stop this rant. We've got to speak out against this type of politics, the ultimate victim is the country.

If someone is out to destroy ANY public person, they can go through the contents of THEIR ENTIRE LIFE from kindergarten to dredge up at least a few hundred details, a childhood friend who is now a felon, etc., to beat them relentlessly with. This is surely DISGUSTING to anyone with the faintest idea of fairness and justice, and a new form of the Salem Witch Hunt and McCarthyism.

Of course Hillary can't prove Obama's guilt-by-association, that's NOT the point for her. Her aim, like her supporters', is to REPEAT OVER AND OVER UNFOUNDED ALLEGATIONS, to saturate the media and blogosphere with this TOXIC GARBAGE, so that people who have no time to pay any attention will just make the MENTAL WORD ASSOCIATION - Obama, Muslims, Hussein, Terrorists, 9/11, Angry Black Guy, Wright, FlagPin. Another set of words - Elite Snob, Empty Suit, False Hope, Rezko, JUST TO TAKE THE GUY DOWN.

It is NOTHING to do with Reason or Truth, Obama's innocence or guilt - it is SLANDER to plant tiny seeds of doubt in voters' minds and it works, boy, it works, as we have witnessed with Gore and Kerry,.

Hillary supporters are intelligent enough to know how abomninable this TACTIC is, what this has COST the country, and that Hillary is throwing the door wide open to this "Politics of Personal Destruction" for the election season when the Repubs are going to use the same tactics to PERVERT the political process against the eventual nominee, yet they can HOLD BACK THEIR CONSCIENCE to justify this.

Yes, IT WILL WORK. UNLESS US ANGRY DEMS DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. It is much easier to destroy than to rebuild trust in Obama and future honest politicians who refuse to stoop to this garbage. it is much easier to tar and make these unfounded word associations in peoples' mind than to undo the damage.

And this dirty politics ultimately hurts the country, as this is a weapon of the politically corrupt. Our political process is corrupt beyond our comprehension at the hands of BOTH parties, and we all sit helplessly typing into our blogs.

I want us to somehow organize something, perhaps a March, a Concert, a publicity event, to "Stop the War on Our Political Process", to ensure that we get a clean election.

I want the message out about these political tactics, that it is unacceptable for either party to engage in. This isn't about Freedom of Speech, as libel, slander, crying "Fire!" in a crowded theatre are not protected under its tenets.

For too long, our corrupt officials have got away with this SH*T with no repercussions, no backlash from the equally corrupt media - it only emboldens them, witness the case of Singleton!

My question to you is What Are You Going To Do About This?

This is corporate media, everyone. And it just might have done tonight what people thought nobody could do at this point: Unite the Democrats.

If there is anytime to starve the trolls, it's now.

Don't bother with them.

Good advice gathered on teh innerwebs:

Concentrate on ABC, local affilliates and their sponsors and oh yeah,,,

Pay special attention to Disneyland.

All this outrage over ABC from Obama supporters! Look how they ganged up on Hillary at the previous debate on MSNBC. It was three against one. They didn't even let her have an opening statement. They threw only one tough question to Obama, and that was at the end of the debate. And yet she came out of it on top. Tonight's debate was very civilized. Blame Obama for his poor performance tonight, not ABC. Your pity doesn't make Obama look good. ABC will simply release a statement that a number of complaints were received from Obama supporters who felt the debate was unfair, and they will defend themselves by demonstrating how fair it was. Any outcry from Obama supporters will just draw more attention to Obama's poor performance. And keep in mind that tonight's debate is nothing compared to what the eventual nominee will face from the GOP. If you want to phone someone, phone a superdelegate and tell them you no longer think Obama is up to the task.

ABC = "Audicity" Broadcasting Corp

Atrios also has the phone number and email contact links on Eschaton.

Light em up:

212-456-7777

Complain for all you are worth.

It's not a matter of whether bias has been against Hillary in the past (I don't think it was). It's a matter of the rediculous nature of the questions asked of Barack, of his weakness in defense, that makes Obama supporters angry.

ABC asked questions that had no relevance, and ONLY questioned Obama- in other words, ABC did not abuse everyone equally. What I'm angry about is not (mainly) the bias against Barack, it's that, even as he still tries to be honest and classy, this pathetic debate goes on. If Obama is to be questioned about things like that, let him also be attacked on Rezko, and let Hillary be attacked for the plethora of lies in her campaign.

Or, ABC could try and run a fair debate in which nonissues like this don't come up.

For Me, Barack Obama won. He won because, even under attack, he was able to challenge my beliefs, and make me think. The moment when he reiterated his "clinging" argument, I was impressed. I hadn't expected to get a new idea from a politician, ever; and even though I still don't know what I think of it, I'm behind him 100%

Thank ABC News for asking legit questions.

Can't Obama supporters just suck it up and get ready for this all the way until the end. Barry O, the Empty Suit is running for POTUS and he won't always have MSNBC to do a hatchet job in a debate on Clinton. MSNBC: Natural Blonde Tweety, Crazy Oblbertwit, Pimp Schuster, Mika whatever her name and by the way my father worked for Carter (oh...), Eugene "Marx" Robinson, Mike "plagiarism 101" Barnacle, I need to go on a diet Russert and the rest of the Obama wet their outfits NBC/MSNBC on-air lovers.

translation: obama got eviserated and it is not fair.

Kashy, I've just sent a registered letter to ABC and will call them as well.

Folks

Thanks for keeping the post alive. Battling against fringe idiots like Marginal Player or Mathew Weaver or Roytsu within our comfort zone @ TPM will not make any difference.

There is one clear difference between Obama supporters and other supporter this seasonn. Obama supporters- organize and act.

Here are my suggestions:

1. Call or email ABC and the local affiliate in your area- and share your effort with us.

2. Donate to Obama, DNC or PBS

3. Also, please let's discuss how democrats can mitigate corporate media smearing in the General.

Should all presidential debates occur on public television?

of his weakness in defense, that makes Obama supporters angry.

Please do not speak for me because you are dead wrong here. I'm furious because it was a Right Wing hit job for which there is no excuse.

I don't care how Obama did - that was not a debate.

Don't forget Brian Ross, the sleaze meister who made that slice and dice video hatchet job on Rev. Wright, which, it turns out, included *quoted material*. No doubt the ABC smear video was tipped off by Penn & Co.

ABC is pure sleaze.

I assume ABC has not only apologized, it has fired both George Stephanopoulos and Charles Gibson. If not, keep trying, how dare they question Saint Barack and his relationship with a terrorist and Reverend Wright!

If you feel like going to the top, here's the boss of Disney and thus ABC.

Robert Iger Disney CEO (robert.a.iger@disney.com)

Top Ratings for Pennsylvania Debate

By Brian Stelter

More than 10 million viewers tuned into Wednesday’s Democratic debate on ABC, making it the most-watched debate of the primary election season.

The debate, the first to air on a weeknight on a broadcast network, attracted an average of 10.7 million viewers between 8 and 10 p.m., according to Nielsen Media Research.

Viewership of the debate peaked between 8:30 and 9 p.m. with 11.8 million viewers, topping the “reality” fare of “Deal or No Deal” on NBC and “Big Brother” on CBS. The broadcast faced stiffer competition at 9 p.m. when “American Idol” appeared on Fox and netted 22.7 million viewers. Still, ABC averaged over 10 million viewers in the second hour of the debate.

The presidential candidate debates have repeatedly broken viewership records during the hotly contested primary season. The bar was previously set in January when a Saturday night debate shown on ABC averaged 9.4 million viewers. CNN attracted almost as many viewers (8.3 million) for another Democratic debate in January.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/17/top-ratings-for-penn-debate/

I'm sure ABC News will fire the 2 bad guys yet. yes we can, change, hope, etc.

Calm down, Obamatons. Mathematical impossibility still means Mathematical impossibility, regardless of Stephanopoulos' whorishness, or Clinton's "resolve."

Americans don't want this dumb-ed down, pandering. After 8 years of living intimately with the maestros of bullsh!tting, GWB and Rove, Hillary and Wolfsan’s' antics pack all the punch of a campaign for high school student body president.

IMHO, if this is to be effective at turning mass sections of the American electorate off on an Obama Presidency, the Clinton campaign is clearly going to need to up the ante on salacious gossip of the flimsy guilt-by-association kind. Farrakhan, Rezko, Rev. Wright - are all good attempts. But after Bush 1, Bush 2 and Bill Clinton, tenuous links to middle eastern operatives, suspected terrorists, and clandestine financiers just don't get voters all "clinging bitterly to shit" like it used to.

The suggestion is that Ayers influences Obama because he ehald a fundraiser for his state senate campaign that raised less than $20,000. Then what influence do you think $800,000 from Columbian free trade associations to Bill Clinton have on Hillary? Is that part of the money she loaned her campaign back in February? What influence do the millions contributed to the Clinton Library or Clinton Foundation have? Doesn't Hillary owe something to Saudi Arabia and Dubai for all their thoughtful contributions to her husband's legacy?

The suggestion is that Obama couldn't sit through sermons the past 20 years without in some way feeling sympathies to Reverend Wrights' animosities. Does that mean that Hillary has to adhere to her husband's free trade convictions because they have shared a bed for 30 years? Clinton says you can't choose your family, but a 50% divorce rate says she can(unless you are cravenly ambitious and your husband is a former president).

Be sure to sob when you tell ABC how unfair they were to little Barry.

Has ABC fired the bad guys yet?

"There is one clear difference between Obama supporters and other supporter this seasonn [sic]. Obama supporters- organize and act." Let me know when Obama supporters get them fired. I'm waiting...

Whine, whine, whine. Obama started hitting Hillary from 15 months back. Have you heard her whine?
Obama has called Hillary many names and laugh and belittled her as Annie Oakley (sexism). Hillary has never called Obama any name. Has she whined being called names? And she's a 2-time First Lady.
MSNBC and CNN both played gotcha on Hillary, how come you didn't complain? Did she whined about it?
You're pathetic in your blind support of a candidate who whines because he flunked the debate. He's a whiner and a sissy.

George worked for the Clintons and was busted today for taking notes from Sean Hannity concerning the Ayers story. That in itself is scary Sean I mean. Point one, ABC was desperate to have their ratings soar in comparison to the last debate between Obama and Hillary on another station. Point two, they deliberately sat down for months and decided how they would conduct this debate and deliberately, with supposedely intelligent input chose to use these unfair tactics to gain ratings and help the republican party and I personally feel as the debate was held/hosted in Pennsylvania I would not be surprised if some Hillary supporter/politicians from there gave their input on what questions to ask as well.

The American people are not that naive when it pertains to politics. The whole thing stunk pewie! of a set up.... big time!

andrew

MoveOn.com has a petition for ABC asking them for more substance.