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Elizabeth Edwards--Judas?
So Huffpo is reporting that Mrs. Edwards is firmly in Clinton camp and trying to convince John. My instinct is that he will endorse Hillary, because I think he is a careerist first, and a person, second, and Hillary will promise him positions Obama will not. (The careerist thing isn't the put-down that it sounds like. It's true of all politicians and trial lawyers.)
Given the most Edwards fundraisers and supporters are now backing Obama, and that John was running primarily against Hillary, does it stand to reason, by Clinton logic that...
Elizabeth=Judas?
Or maybe she's Thomas then, since Obama's failure to kiss their one-term ring sent them into this doubting tailspin?
Or how about Pontius Pilate, washing her hands of Obama?
Join me next week for more "absurd metaphors and the endorsements that spawn them."













Comments (24)
She's just an outstanding and authentic woman. Any endorsement she makes will be sincere.
April 29, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course she is, that's the point.
Her endorsement of Hillary would not engender the same vitriol from the Obama camp that Richardson's got from Clinton's, the sort I was mocking above.
Nor should it.
April 29, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good grief!
Your list of allies grows thin.
April 29, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm an Obama supporter, and someone who has followed John Edwards's career since he served as my Senator. I do not want him to endorse Hillary Clinton, but I do not believe him to be a "careerist" or an opportunist. I hope that I'm not wrong.
Regardless of his decision, and regardless of Elizabeth Edwards's decision should she choose to endorse a candidate, my feelings about that endorsement mean very little at the end of the day. No one is served by turning our internecine squabbles into a full-on, take-no-prisoners turf war.
"Judas"? "Pilate"? Why go there? What does it help? Who is served?
Personally, I would rather keep focusing on what we want to achieve from this campaign. We won't overcome the kind of politics that have divided and disenfranchised us if we perpetuate them in our own practice.
April 29, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
My guess is you didn't read the last line.
The metaphors (and thus the post) are a joke, just as Carville's original Judas reference abotu Richardson was a joke (perhaps inadvertently).
Anyway, whether you want Edwards to be a careerist or not, a Cabinet position has to be looking really good to a one term senator, no? I'm not sure Obama has much to gain from offering him one, but Hillary does.
Politicians are, by nature, opportunist. We shouldn't pretend Obama isn't. They wouldn't be politicians otherwise. Or at least, they wouldn't ever get elected.
April 29, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just to be clear—were you also kidding when you wrote:
If so, fine. If not, a "careerist" would be unwise to endorse Hillary regardless of whatever positions she might promise since it'd seem very unlikely that she could deliver said positions. Indeed, a careerist would almost definitely be backing Obama at this point, not that I believe the majority of his backers are doing it merely for political expediency (although no doubt some are).
April 29, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that part was tinged with my opinion, then leading to the spin.
I think what you point out is a big part of the reason that he hasn't endorsed. Damned either way. I think Hillary will offer him things Obama won't. On the other hand, Obama is the likely winner, and who knows what might happen with an Obama Cabinet in the future.
I think, as the narrative continues to support Hillary, he will be swayed to put it on the line for her. I don't think that's unwise, or at least i think it's understandable. I imagine she's promising him a special place. However, Hillary probably won't win and he'll have to figure out what to do next.
This is a practical thing, no? Do you take the job offered, or hold out for the dream gig? I have a feeling he takes the one offered. It's just a guess.
Whoever he endorses, I can see why he would. I hope it's Obama, but it won't break my heart if he doesn't. The man wants to be involved in a big way, and his options for doing that are narrowing.
If it is Hillary, I hope people won't engage in the sort of dismissive silliness we saw with Richardson. It is what it is. An endorsement.
April 29, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
If he is a true careerist, he will wait until the last possible moment -- perhaps play his cards to be a "broker" at the convention -- which like Dick Cheney might get him a cushy job.
Remember that Cheney was supposed to be heading the VP selection committee. How "careerist-ly" fantastic that the best VP candidate for #43 turned out to be the guy heading his selection committee.
If Edwards was really looking for a spot in a second Clinton admin, wouldn't have he come out of the chute earlier to help seal the deal on Obama way back when -- like post SC?
I don't either Edwards is as influential as some folks think. The luster is gone.
April 29, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah--the Cheney move reminds me of the fact that we hired Hallburton in the early nineties to run the numbers and see if we would be better off privatizing aspects of the military.
Guess what conclusion they came to?
My guess on Edwards: he was waiting for dramatic purposes. Now, he's just swaying. As we've seen with Richardson, the endorsement will only be three days of news. So what to do? Take the offer from Hillary (supposing there's been one), or go with Obama the guy he was supposed to be? Tough spot.
April 29, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've not followed Edwards nearly as closely as you say you have. From what I do know about Edwards, I would think that he's closer to Obama than Hillary in terms of issues (and other things). Can you tell me your thinking on this? If he did endorse Hillary, would that make sense to you?
April 29, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
People here are so biased...! If Edwards endorsed Hillary, it would be sincere because the odds of Hillary being the nominee are long, very long.
Elizabeth feels passionately about health care policy and Hillary is the only candidate proposing universal coverage. This is a huge difference and one that matters to people that actually need government to play an active and supportive role. Honestly, no offense is meant by this, but Obama supporters seem to have the luxury of wanting to "change the tone" or have a "new kind of politics" where his force of personality bowls the Republicans over and they decide they want to sit down and work with him...it strikes me that people who work for wages, worry about health care, food, and gas bills (and may not have 4 hours to go to a caucus) have an obvious ally in Hillary.
April 29, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
You dismiss our candidate because he has found a way to make compromise lead to solutions?
I am sorry, but four years of Hillary "fighting" for this country as president will just about kill us off. We can't fight anymore. That is the problem, not the solution. What has her 16 years of "fighting" on the national stage actually done? Nothing.
We don't need a fighter. We need a leader who can unite the silent majority in the middle around a common goal. We need a leader that challenges democrats, independents and republicans to hold their Congressional representatives accountable.
It's not HIS personality that fixes politics but OUR involvement.
April 29, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Which makes Obama...John the Baptist?
(Your take is dead-on right, by the way.)
April 29, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, any more Obama Stormtrooper involvement with their Sturm-und-Drang for Hope, and I'll wish we had China's Cultural Revolution Youth League instead. Imagine what they'd be like if they were actually trying to argue and fight? I wouldn't mind Obama so much if it was just about him alone - it's when he says it's about "us" that freaks me out.
April 29, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is proposing to force us to have health insurance which is something far different than what is known as "universal healthcare". A sheep chooses which butt to sniff I guess and the rest of us actually choose to pay attention. But does it really matter when Hillary-pal and fellow NY state Senator, Chuck Schumer smacks down any chance of perceived "universal heathcare" as unattainable even if we have a Democratic president AND Democratic control of Congress?
April 29, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting in that I think we have a legitimate difference of opinion (I respect yours). I strongly feel that we need a fighter. The republicans are ruthless and they laugh at the concept of "uniting the silent majority" -- I would argue Obama's efficacy at doing this of late should be viewed with a lot of skepticism.
After what they did to us democrats over the years and the depth of inequality they have brought forth, we need a strong president to push back hard. This is how it works. Once the "silent majority" enjoys the benefits of "Medicare for all" we can hopefully enjoy their acquiescence -- similar to what happened after FDR rolled out the New Deal.
April 29, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
But the only problem with your view is that there are a lot of Republicans willing to vote for Obama (I know many) and that most Republicans can't wait to vote against Hillary.
This is a core fact that has not changed with the "of late" media-driven PA focused narratives.
April 29, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fighting only causes a gridlock in Washington. You don't get anywhere when you're constantly having to fend off attacks. And she's not promising "Medicare for all" she's promising universal health insurance. There is no way she's going to get that passed in Congress if she's planning on fighting. You would think she'd learn from history and learn to compromise. We could have had universal health care if she had compromised 15 years ago. But instead the democrats lost their democratic majority in congress.
April 29, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
actually, I see that republicans are fearful of Hillary because she can attract more centerist voters. She beats McCain more than Obama in recent polls. Obama appeals to the left--increasingly just the left. A new poll shows just this. Wait till Wright fiasco sinks in more too.
"Medicare for all" is the goal--first we achieve universal coverage that allows for the government to be an option to compete with the private employers. Once people find that it can provide the same/better insurance for cheaper, they will make the rational choice and select it. Eventually we will have Medicare for all. Ask E. Edwards.
Dems tried to compromise with bush, look where that got us. I respect Hillary for trying for health care back in '93. she fought and lost, clearly has learned a lot since.
April 29, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think John's problem is he's finding it hard to bring himself to nail shut Obama's coffin. This campaign, he was the default choice of lower income white men. An Edwards endorsement of Hillary would be a significant blow to Obama right now.
April 29, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's record in the Senate hasn't been acheived by "fighting" as the many compliments from surprised GOP colleagues have demonstrated.
The Carl Bernstein article of a few weeks ago had a little noticed passage that struck me as emblematic of how Hillary functioned when on her own and for the most part, uncoupled from Bill:
"In projecting what a Hillary Clinton presidency would look like, there is the conundrum of her senatorial tenure and what had appeared to be a surcease in her Pavlovian resort to trench warfare: a period in which -– until the day drew near for her to announce her presidential candidacy –- she seemed (to her oldest friends, certainly) happier and more at ease, and straightforward in her public dealings, and less guarded, than at any point in her life since she followed Bill Clinton to Arkansas.
Hillary Clinton’s unique star power, her performance as a senator and fundraiser on behalf of her party are what gave legitimacy to the idea that she might be a credible presidential candidate: all premised on her changed demeanor in the Senate years, compared to her embattled tenure as first lady. As a steward of her state’s interest, and a patient student of senatorial compromise and collegiality, she was widely commended by former skeptics in Congress and the press."
Hillary supporters rarely consider that she was better off, professionally and personally, when she didn't have to focus on "fighting" for Bill or the presidential nomination. At this point, I wonder if even she can recall those years when she made her own way by drawing on those aspects of her persona and attributes that served her so well in the Senate.
As a woman, I can only shake my head at Hillary's inability to recognize that she was better off when uncoupled from her husband's ambitions, interference and liabilities. It's an old, familiar story of a wife clinging to shreds of tattered, rotting narrative but unable rip away and draw upon her own reserves of fiber in order to weave her own tales until forced to do so.
If Hillary loses, which of her conflicting personas will emerge?
The one that relishes being embattled and seeks revenge or the one that her oldest friends saw as:
"happier and more at ease, and straightforward in her public dealings, and less guarded, than at any point in her life since she followed Bill Clinton to Arkansas".
For her sake, for her constituents sake, for the sake of a slew of shared agendas, I find myself hoping for the latter.
April 29, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just as no one really listens to Richardson , no one really listens to the Edwards. Makes for great arguing points..outside of that not much effect.
April 29, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wishful thinking based on anecdotal evidence.
I can easily give you the opposite view with just a quick surfing of TPM Election Central news today:
I have long believed that no one knows who could draw more votes that normally go to Republicans. You have 2/3 of the country wanting to change from Bush, that's all you know for sure. That Hillary starts with a high floor and a low ceiling does not mean that Obama, much less known to the public, will not find himself eventually with ceiling and floor coming to meet. That the GOP nominee ended up as someone with a "maverick" and "independent" reputation throws a wrench in the whole picture as it was before he was chosen. That some Democrats say at this point that they will consider McCain if their favorite is not the nominee is an ominous sign of his potential to pull all kinds of new demographics.
Here's the thing: I think Obama is going to be the nominee bearing any unforeseen disasters. His avid supporters, though, have to get used to the idea of him looking and sounding a lot more like Hillary, cause that's what he's going to do. Let go of parading the differences between him and her, it's not helping him go where he has to go, really. He doesn't want to be painted to the left of Hillary, as the GOP is already trying to do. Informed people from the start know that there's not much difference policy-wise between them and that this primary race has been all about style and personality. Let go and realize he's going to get a lot more like Hillary in the future, as he needs the swing-type voters she's getting now, not just the swing-types he's getting now, he needs them for the general election.
April 29, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry,
the above was supposed to be a reply not to your original post but to this comment of yours:
April 29, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
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