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Daily Kos Has Psychotic Break Over Greg Sargent Quote
Kos himself has gone into high freak-out mode today over Obama's appearance on Fox News on Sunday. In his editorial today, "Obama and Fox News," it is apparent that Kos feels that Obama should only address the left wing of the American populace, and that he has committed an act of treason by trying to reach out to the white, working class viewership of Fox.
http://www.dailykos.com/
Along with listing a variety of grievances against Obama, Kos cites Greg Sargent of TPM as providing another piece of evidence that Obama "showed weakness by caving to right-wing bullying taunts."
According to Kos:
"It exposed his campaign as a bunch of liars. The Obama campaign's press show promised people that Obama would "take on" Fox News. Of course, none of that happened. That would've electrified "the left", and we know that Obama doesn't want to do anything that might make him look like a "captive" to it. "
"The campaign would've been better off just being honest and upfront about Obama's motives, but that might've proven too cynical for supporters that think he can possibly "rise above politics". Of course he can't. Yet I suspect that much of the erosion in his momentum of late comes from people realizing that Obama can't possibly deliver what he's promising. If he promised to be a good president, one who delivered for people and improved their lives and restored America's standing in the world, then great. That he can deliver."
"But "rise above politics"? His refusal to acknowledge the political reality may very well be his greatest weakness. I hope it's all an act. I can take cynical political rhetoric. I expect it. And it's not like Clinton is offering anything different in that department. But if Obama actually believes it, then the Republicans will chew him up and spit him out. And either way, his campaign -- never good at setting expectations -- shouldn't have promised something that Obama is apparently incapable of delivering."
Kos, of course, is referring to Greg Sargent's headline from a few days ago claiming that Obama was going to "take on Fox."
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/senior_obama_adviser_obama_wil.php
In his piece, Sargent cited an un-named source:
"Here is what the adviser IM-ed me about this today:
We are clear-eyed about Fox's role in the dissemination and amplification of Republican talking points this election. They have been the tip of the spear when it comes to repeatedly broadcasting some of the most specious of rumors about Obama. He is going on their Sunday show to take Fox on, not because we have any illusion about their motives or politics in this election.
"The Obama adviser declined to detail how he'd be taking on Fox. But if Obama does this, it could end up playing to his advantage. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out."
So at this point, it appears that Kos' expectations over an anonymous IM that claimed that Obama was going to "take on Fox" have not been met, and justifies Kos' claim that Obama's campaign is now composed of a "bunch of liars":
"So Obama showed weakness by caving to right-wing bullying taunts (thrilling our political foes), disrespected his base, gave Fox a propaganda victory, exposed his campaign as a bunch of liars who promised something their candidate was clearly incapable of delivering, and defended the Democratic spinelessness that gave us the most ridiculous Supreme Court in generations."
"I won't pretend to guess whether this helps him in Indiana or not. It may or it may not. And since I've never put Obama on a pedestal, this doesn't knock him down. What this does demonstrate, and quite clearly so, is that Obama is quite willing to score cheap political points at the expense of his base, regardless how much it might embolden the very same people that are working to demonize him to the American people."
An anonymous source has just IM'ed me and says that "Kos is now very angry and upset and hopes to take a nap sometime this afternoon."






Comments (15)
Any writer's strikes?
April 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't believe you Obama supporters are so upset at Obama about this.
LOL. It's really not a big deal. We all knew he was a little bit of a liar, just like everyone else. Just chill.
April 28, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is this what Karl Rove told you to think?
April 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
It has just been reported by unnamed sources that Kos has called for a boycott of anything that isn't orange.
April 28, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kos is the phlegmatic Jack Germond compared to Matt Stoller, who has all but declared his intention to vote for Nader over this.
I guess I would've liked to see Obama be a little tougher, but I do wish my netroots brethren and sistren would accept the fact that Obama is running for President of the United States, not Prom King of Yearly Kos or the nomination of the Progressive Party of America.
People agree with us on the issues when the questions are asked the right way. Okay. That was true in 2000 and 2004. Obama needs to reach beyond "us".
I will say this for Kos, he put the kibosh on that "Obama threw Kos under the bus!!!" idiocy that Lambert Rodham Strether and Stoller were pushing.
April 28, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's strange how some people think that everyone else should think just like they do. The "You represent me, so how could you also represent someone else?" mentality.
April 28, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama goes on and gets testy/angry with Fox, will play right into the hands of the Right Wing Hate and Racist theme for this year. They will turn around and label him an angry Black Man and unfit to be President. They will loop the tesy parts over and over and show that he is Rev. Wright. Obama is smart and the stupid people of this election are the Liberal Bloggers who have lost us 2 elections in the last 8 years because they will cut off their nose to spite their face.
Obama did take on Fox and from what I saw he did it very well, Fox had nothing to say negative about the interview, they had to scamble to find small issues with him and that made them petty.
April 28, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama goes on and gets testy/angry with Fox, will play right into the hands of the Right Wing Hate and Racist theme for this year. They will turn around and label him an angry Black Man and unfit to be President. They will loop the tesy parts over and over and show that he is Rev. Wright. Obama is smart and the stupid people of this election are the Liberal Bloggers who have lost us 2 elections in the last 8 years because they will cut off their nose to spite their face.
Obama did take on Fox and from what I saw he did it very well, Fox had nothing to say negative about the interview, they had to scamble to find small issues with him and that made them petty.
April 28, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
But the liberal movement must be pure, united and respectful of the hierarchy!
April 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
This whole business about Obama going on Fox News has been blown way out of proportion. Seriously, going on now and clearing the air and doing it with style and poise only helps. It is harder for people who saw the interview to come away thinking Obama is a crazy black Muslim unless they are hopelessly mamboozled by right wing gutter nonsense. Sure, some are, but many are not that far gone.
Besides, Obama had already made his point by his months-long self imposed Fox News restraining order. Like it or not, Obama is running to be POTUS, not POTUL (President of the United Liberals).
April 28, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kos has made a fool of himself. As has Adam Green. Their first mistake was the same: they took Greg's "reporting" as fact.
April 28, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some history might be helpful here:
Barack Obama to New York Magazine" Jennifer Senior, September, 2006:
"One good test as to whether folks are doing interesting work is, Can they surprise me. And increasingly, when I read Daily Kos, it doesn’t surprise me. It’s all just exactly what I would expect."
Also,
Barack Obama lecturing the Daily Kos audience in September 2005 on "Tone, Truth and the Democratic Party."
Obama proudly referred to this all in his interview on Fox yesterday:
Kos and his fans think they know how to enable the Democratic party to win power, he even wrote a book on it, and that vision is quite different from Barack Obama's. This kerfluffle was bound to happen and it's going to happen again. Keep in mind that Obama is not at all ignorant of what DKos is all about, he has read it, written on it, and has expressed opinions on the site.
April 28, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Btw, Opus, do have any idea what a psychotic break is? If you did, you might not use the term so lightly, so glibly.
April 28, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, puleeeze. Kos is freaking out over Obama not "taking on Fox" as that poorly sourced piece by Greg Sargent suggested, so now he's condemning the whole campaign as a bunch of liars? Kos' perception of the reality of the situation seems a bit impaired to me. I'm not the only one to comment this, if you bothered to read the 700+ comments on his particular piece today, not to mention some of the subsequent diaries criticizing his piece. Feel free to call me what you want, though.
From Wikipedia:
"Psychiatrists may informally use the term "psychotic break" in hindsight to describe the first episode of psychosis in a patient who has been diagnosed with the chronic condition of schizophrenia."
"Schizophrenia (pronounced /ˌskɪtsəˈfriːniə/), from the Greek roots schizein (σχίζειν, "to split") and phrēn, phren- (φρήν, φρεν-, "mind"), is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental illness characterized by impairments in the perception or expression of reality."
April 28, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
We don't have a disagreement about what has occurred. If you'd read my other comment on this thread, this would have been clear to you.
You haven't addressed the observation I made concerning your misuse of the term "psychotic break" -- unless you intended to make my point by quoting Wikipedia. In which case, thank you.
April 29, 2008 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
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