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Clinton Scores Knockout on O'Reilly
Clinton went on O'Reilly tonight in the first of two nights of one-on-one interview. Tonight's two-part installment was fantastic as she scored a knockout--gracious, lively, intelligent, and in control.
Two Obama supporters followed and acted almost as if Obama is already gone from the race. They barely mentioned Obama and instead practically gushed about how perfect Clinton was. Priceless!
Matthew
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Comments (43)
This is great!
April 30, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed, she was "in her element."
April 30, 2008 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the laugh!
April 30, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matt, I still haven't figured out what you were implying in a previous post when you commented on:
"Barack Obama putting his half-Black arm around a White supporter."
Sounds like you've got some big racial issues here, if it bothers you to see a bi-racial man having physical contact with a white woman. I like how you capitalize "Black" and "White", just like the Neo-Nazis and Aryan Nation likes to do in its hate propaganda.
April 30, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh OHX, you typical Obama supporter: playing the race card every time an HRC supporter shows how truly racist they are...
April 30, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi Opus. Please do me (and perhaps all of us) a favor. Please post a reply, linking where Matt said that. Thank you very much in advance for your assistance.
April 30, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Must be this. I could speculate in answer to Astral's question about what Matthew meant, but I'm sure Weaver is capable of speaking for himself.
April 30, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is the original thread and my original post. There is nothing racist here. I am really getting sick and tired of the offensive and derogatory accusations bantered around by the likes of Opus Hussein X.
My original post:
April 30, 2008 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
So that we are fair to you in context, when you wrote about Obama's "half-Black arm," do you claim that you are referring to someone who complained of the ad depicting Obama putting his "half-Black arm" around a "White" person, or do you agree that the descriptor "half-Black arm" is your own characterization, interjected into your paraphrase of "complaints"?
I examined the thread (thank you, GMan) and did not find a complaint that you appeared to be paraphrasing.
Think carefully before you respond, please.
April 30, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I take "Think carefully before you respond, please." as some form of threat. Ain't working. My posts and the entire thread are very clear, my discussion here is unnecessary except that I am offended by the continued insults offered by some Obama supporters.
Matthew
April 30, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's cool.
Just wanted an answer, felt like you'd dodge, since your use of Obama's "half-Black arm" around a "White" person is apparently gratuitous and not a fair summary of someone else's "complaints" at all.
It's not a threat at all. Let me spell it out for you.
You're using palpably, gratuitously racist language. If you contend it's a fair paraphrase of someone else's statement, rather than your own disease at work, you could have or still can cite that other statement and say so. If you can't, that's more fodder and better support for my request upon the site to ban you for it.
Which I'll be making presently. Clear enough, Matt?
April 30, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you. I've been pointing this out forever, and thanks to Opus for keeping the "half-Black arm" comment in mind, because I was watching the thread when Weaver said it and have watched him say shocking other things that just get lost.
And yes, capitalizing race is what Aryan Nation folk are known for, and this has been pointed out to Weaver a hundred times and he still won't reform, which shows a willing desire to inflame and provoke racially.
He claims we say these things about all Clinton supporters, and that's his defense. I have seen several people who identify themselves as African American refrain from saying things the way he does. He refuses to tone down the racial rhetoric.
April 30, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
that should read "...African Americans ask him to refrain..."
April 30, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do not know your educational background but most style guides traditionally suggest capitalizing Black, White, Asian, etc. when used as a descriptor. Nothing new about this, nor nothing nefarious or offensive. You may opt for a different style, which is fine as there are no fast and hard rules about much of this.
BTW, as best as I can tell, Black and African-American are generally used interchangeably without offense. Further, African-American can be constraining and misleading. How do you propose, if race is appropriate in the description, to describe a Black person who traces their ancestry through, say France and maybe Algeria? French-African-American?
Matthew
April 30, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
For clarity, this was the gist of many complaints in the media about the ad--including on TPM. All I was doing was paraphrasing what others were saying was wrong with the ad. As you can see by my posts--and if you've read my others on TPM and on my own Web sites--I now and have always clearly reject racism. Sorry for any confusion in this, especially as Opus Hussein X has taken this out of context to push his offensive insults.
Matthew
April 30, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, you can't cite a single such complaint about the arm of "half-Black" Obama touching a "White."
No one stopped you, no one cut you off.
You can't answer the question.
It's time to move on!
See ya!
April 30, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
BTW, the original post was about the anti-Obama ad in NC. Regarding folks calling for it to be pulled, I originally wrote the following: "Will the media's case of conscience be as equally applied when others offer their party or 527 advertisements? While the ad might be objectionable, I think there is a dangerous slippery slope here of media taking on the role of censor. Unless these media outlets have a balanced, well-defined policy and track record on enforcement on what they will and will not run, they should back off and run the ads. They can always offer equal time for alternative viewpoints if they have concern over the message or impact."
Then, as I just noted above, I followed with the post specifically addressing the anti-Obama ad by asking why the ad was offensive? The picture of the candidates was straightforward and nothing suggested a racial message. Further, why shouldn't the candidates be photographed together and were folks now embarrassed? That was the point of my post. I definitely was not suggesting any racial message, nor, if there was one, was I offering endorsement. Thus, on all points Opus Hussein X is making a false and offensive accusation that needs to stop.
Matthew
April 30, 2008 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
How's it offensive when OHX asks you why YOU chose to use the description of Obama that you did? Stop being a pansy and show some testicular fortitude. Answer the question weaver.
April 30, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cute. I bet you enjoyed pulling that together.
Matthew
April 30, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
All you prove with your cut-and-paste trash is that you are ignorant, non-thinking troll.
Matthew
April 30, 2008 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that you saying that was trash but you did not answer why you did so?
April 30, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did what? (Maybe I've now already answered this for you.)
Matthew
April 30, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for another Hot Flash News tidbit.
April 30, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now Bill O'Really is going to appoint Clinton president and tell all the Superdelegates to vote for her! Yay! Everybody wins! Good thing O'Really runs the universe, huh?
April 30, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
whoops, I forgot something. Matt, if Obama is really gone from the race, then why are all of the Republican ads attacking Obama and completely ignoring Clinton? Got a theory there?
April 30, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
matt, I think you need some wet wipes....
btw...
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR O'REILLY!!!!! BILLLLLLL-OOOOO!!! HAVE A FALAFEL... I MEAN A LOOFAH!!!
April 30, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
She owned him and argues better than any troll or politician on this planet.
April 30, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Arguing better than a troll is a bit of a low bar, no? Then again, you're not from this planet, are you? ;-)
April 30, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
HRC: Best political troll, ever.
And technically she can't 'own' FOX or O'Reilly - they're partners.
April 30, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
HRC has turned all GOP on us
April 30, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't give Hillary any street cred until she appears on the 700 club - Pat Robertson is the only real journalist left, next to O'Reilly of course.
April 30, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matthew Weaver,
Since you have established a well earned reputation, on TPM, for habitually claiming that Senator Obama is a racist, then you need to explain clearly what you meant when you made the following comment. Here is your comment in full. Explain what you meant by it.
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I have seen the ad several times and just replayed it. To be honest, I do not see what is so objectionable to the ad. Yes, I've read some of the complaints--using Wright against Obama and having Obama's half-Black arm around a White candidate. Grow up!
I'll have to re-read some of the earlier complaints and knee-jerk reactions, but please, what is so objectionable about his ad? And as well, like my earlier post above on this whole matter, if you object to this, how many potentially legit anti-McCain or anti-Clinton ads are you going to preclude from broadcasting out of fair application of your censorship here?
Matthew
http://www.TheIndependentView.com
Posted by Matthew Weaver
April 24, 2008 6:12 PM |
April 30, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
He can't explain it. The benign meaning is a secret Matt can't reveal, for there is none.
No one was complaining that the ad was racially offensive because of contact with Obama and a white person, which occurs almost every time he shakes a hand.
The idea that that was disturbing is Matt's alone. His gratuitous reference to Obama as "half-Black," as to which he is of course unrepentant, says it all.
April 30, 2008 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay and further to his claim about Obama:
who is Obama racist against?
Whites? Blacks? His mom? His dad?
Does Weaver know any biracial people that would help him to frame this insane logic?
To clarify an important distinction: People do and have claimed that the Clintons have injected race into the discussion, and at times, perhaps, played the race card. People do not accuse Hillary of being racist. It might have happened, yes, but I sure can't point to a person who comes on here everyday screaming about what a racist Hillary is.
This is an important point.
So who the f--- is Obama racist against? What group is he supposedly prejudiced against?
April 30, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Style note for Weaver:
Beginnings of sentences are capitalized. That's one way you could try to get away with your insistence on abusing the language to suit your racist language.
April 30, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
C'mon weaver, let's hear it. Did you reveal your latent racist attitudes or not? At least give the phony apology like that KY politician that referred to O as a 'boy'. Better yet just come clean and own your racism - like liam, articleman and Opus are owning you tonite...
April 30, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
nice recs-to-comments ratio, BTW.
April 30, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guess it is a slow news night for you and you'd all rather ignore Clinton's really great performance on O'Reilly and gushing support from the Obama supporters for her interview.
My final post here on this thread. I've obliged you all with responses to your questions. You can, for final point, find the many references to "half-Black" here on TPM, usually as part of an offensive rant by Obama supporters pointing out that he is half-Black. Further, while it may have been helpful at the time to offer links, my recollection is that the racial view of the picture may have been offered here on TPM, likely mentioned on Politico, ABC, and on some of the cable news shows in discussions among Democrats and others objecting to the ad. Again, that was the point of my post, dismissing these concerns because I did not see racism in the picture.
None of you have answered this basic question yourselves, did you see the picture as offensive? If not for this, why object to the ad in the first place?
Matthew
April 30, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
FINE we give up. We just wanted to know why you went out of your way to describe Obama's arm as 'half-Black'. WE all know it's because you can't get past his race and the feeling that it detracts from him as a candidate, if not a human being. We just wanted you to man-up and admit it. We didn't want to punk you, but it is your utter hypocracy of claiming Obama is a racist that made us.
You'll feel better about getting chased out of your own post thread once you get a fresh diaper, champ.
April 30, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
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April 30, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry about that, my son got ahold of the laptop and typed that post. I just wanted to say that I am tickled to see you post something nice about Clinton for once, Mr Weaver, instead of the usual anti-Obama rant. A much nicer post than average, this.
April 30, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's great!
April 30, 2008 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do not know your educational background but most style guides traditionally suggest capitalizing Black, White, Asian, etc.
Let's check that. Google:
http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=capitalization+style-guide+black+white
First hit:
Second hit:
Third hit:
Fourth hit:
Similarly for every style guide returned on the first two pages of hits.
On the other hand, if you search for "capitalize the word White" you find a lot of revolting pages. For example:
And on a white supremacist bulletin board with a discussion on "Should We Capitalize Names of Races?":
and other disgusting tripe like this:
So there you have it. I'm just grateful that he's not supporting Obama, and clearly there's no danger that he ever would. I doubt that most of the Hillary supporters are very happy to have him on their side.
April 30, 2008 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
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