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Clinton Asked Me to Betray Obama
On Saturday, February 9, I participated in the caucus in my home state of Washington. We both supported Obama. He won three of the four delegates in our precinct. My wife was elected as a delegate to the District-Level caucus, and I was selected as an alternate.
Well, tomorrow is the District caucus--the final step before the State Convention. And today I got an e-mail reminding me to attend. I thought, initially, that it might be from the Washington Democratic Party, or maybe from the Obama Campaign.
Nope. It was from Hillary. She wants my vote.
More specifically, it was from the Washington branch of the Clinton Campaign. The only place they could have gotten my e-mail address was from the delegate form I filled out at the convention. And that form specifically indicated that Obama was the candidate I pledged to support.
Granted, Clinton didn't try to make some argument to convince me to betray Obama, or argue for her own superiority. Her e-mail simply asked me to support Clinton at the caucus tomorrow. Here's the full text of her letter:
Dear Dan,
Thank you so much for everything you've done in Washington. Your energy and support have meant the world to Hillary. Now Hillary needs your help in Washington again at your local legislative caucus. Your legislative caucus is tomorrow, Saturday April 5, at 9:00 AM at XXXXXXXXX in Seattle.
The delegates you earned on February 9 will be selected at your local legislative caucus tomorrow, and we need you to be there. If you were selected as a delegate or alternate, it is critical that you attend to stand up for Hillary.
Click here to RSVP today!
If you were not selected as a delegate or alternate, you can still help by attending your caucus and showing your support for Hillary. We need to have a strong energetic showing tomorrow and we can't do it without you. Will you stand up for Hillary at your legislative caucus tomorrow?
Going to the caucus is easy and fun: Make signs, wear your Hillary gear and show up!
Click here to RSVP today!
Thank you so much. Hillary could not ask for a better team.
Sincerely,
Zach Stewart
Washington State Director
I wonder if she will end up losing more delegates here in Washington tomorrow.












Comments (44)
Eek. First sentence should read "On Saturday, February 9, my wife and I participated in the caucus in my home state of Washington."
April 4, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cynical politics in the guise of a a pep letter... Desperate, disgusting, but sadly, not at all surprising to me. And it wasn't so long ago that I actually had some respect for Hillary Clinton.
Thanks for posting that and thanks for the work you two are doing for the Obama campaign.
April 4, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could it be just a carpet-bombing email they send to all the caucus attendees on their lists regardless of who they voted for? Because maybe they think, the wider the net, the larger the catch.
April 4, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton should not be contacting Obama delegates or vice versa. Delegates are pledged when elected for their candidate. It is inappropriate to contact a delegate from your competitor. I remember earlier in the campaigns where both Clinton and Obama clearly stated that they wouldn't go after one anothers pledged delegates. I think the state democratic party gets the list of all delegates and alternates but I don't know how that info goes to the campaigns. I am also an Obama delegate in WA state. Hillary had NO delegates in our precinct. I haven't heard from her campaign. Just from Obamas and then a general letter from my District Democrats.
April 5, 2008 3:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
And you, an innocent baby!
Same thing happened to a friend in Texas. She was...ticked.
April 4, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I bet if you parsed her email even more you could claim she is playing the race card!!!
I find your headline for this post offensive and totally uniformed. Get a grip.
April 4, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry but this post on ALLSBURG'S blog is ALLBURG'S take on an event that happened to him. It is, in it's entirety, an anecdotal exercise in subjectivity.
Just how the fuck could he possibly be less informed about it than you are?
April 5, 2008 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Just how the fuck could he possibly be less informed about it than you are?"
By not understanding that Senator Clinton has every right to ask for your vote, just as Senator Obama does. And guess what? You can change your vote if you so desire. She isnt ask you to be Judas, just asking for your vote.
As I said, get a grip. This is politics not the election for Prom King.
April 5, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Correction:
She is asking you to be Judas. As a delegate you are selected and pledged to represent the will of the caucus, in this case to vote for Obama.
What about this is so hard for you to understand?
April 5, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. This post is wearing an offensive uniform.
April 5, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the much-needed laugh, Genghis
April 5, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Would that make you Judas?
April 4, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
It looks like they just got a list of participants, which is why they included that part about "If you were not selected as a delegate or alternate..."
Mail and call lists are tricky things. My wife and I are obviously on all of the Dem lists because we got a lot of calls from both candidates prior to our primary and we also get regular fundraising letters from Dems all over the country.
While, a couple of months ago, I kept getting calls and messages from someone (a real person) representing the Rep. Tom Cole and the National Republican Congressional Committee asking me to buy my way onto some kind of "steering committee" for business leaders. The best I can figure, they had just bought a list of registered defense contractors and since me and my company was on there, they assumed that I was a Republican without cross-referencing against any other list.
Eh... Obviously Hillary's people got ahold of a participant list. Your name was on there and personally, I'm glad that they're trying to maintain the Party's excitement and get out the vote.
April 4, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm, I took the first part of this message as being directed specifically to the selected delegates and alternates, but you could be right.
The only thing is, there's only one place I put my e-mail address, and that was on the delegate/alternate sign-up sheet. If that's where the campaign got this information, then they should have known that I was on the sheet for Obama.
April 4, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wasn't there, but I'd guess that the party took all of the names, addresses, phone numbers and email addys into a database. They've probably added or will be adding all this info to their existing databases, which they'll also share with the national party.
I'd say that who you were supporting in this election isn't really that relevant to the future because the party isn't going to break people down into liberals and conservatives, christians and atheists. They just have a list.
April 4, 2008 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
But wouldn't it make sense for the Clinton campaign to have a database of all of its own delegates? I thought the point of this post is that something like the Washington Democratic Party was giving the Clinton campaign a database of Obama's delegates. Even if that's not the case, and let's say getting a list of pledged delegates is both public and easy (e.g. Larry Craig), isn't it a bit shady to send this letter to an Obama delegate? Surely they must have a database of their own delegates.
April 5, 2008 1:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yet, using my semi-related example: You'd think the RNC would know that I've never been registered as anything other than a Dem and in more than a quarter century of voting, I've never contributed to any Republican's campaign, before they cold-called me asking for money.
April 5, 2008 2:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did Carville, the Cajun call you yet ? Just askin'.
April 5, 2008 2:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd love to take that call because I'd like to talk politics with the man, but unfortunately, it hasn't happened.
April 5, 2008 3:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
My previous post was for allsburg.
April 5, 2008 5:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, in about 30 minutes, I'm off to *my* Washington State Legislative District Caucus (fightin' 37th!), where I'm a precinct delegate for Obama.
I've had lots of mails and a couple of calls regarding the caucus.
NONE of those calls or emails were from Clinton's campaign. So who knows?
We've been told that Washington's caucus was largest in the country at +240k attendees. I'm not surprised there's a little spill over.
April 5, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
pixelpoke, I didn't see you at the 37th today.
Or maybe I did...
April 6, 2008 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I read somewhere that she was telling her delegates about how pledged delegates aren't really pledged, and this delegate said ok then, and voted for Obama at the TX caucus. lol
I hope her strategy backfires on her. I'm in NH and Bill has pissed off a few up here by bad mouthing the first in the nation primary and how it's unfair blah blah blah. (I happen to agree, why should NH or IA get more say than any other state, but most in NH are very protective of it.) Anyhow I hope her delegates get wind of this and at the convention switch their votes to Obama. I also hope some of her delegates who aren't pleased with the Bosnia lies that came out after the voting do the same.
April 5, 2008 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I saw some Youtube video of a Clinton Supporter being called by an Obama campaign person in Texas . Same story. They were all outraged. It was just as pathetic as this complaint.
Sorry. Hillary's campaign has a a list of Dems. So does Obama's. No doubt some Hillary supporter is doing their best to feign outrage as well.
It's not productive for either campaign.
Really, can we stop the Middle School theatrics? It's getting ridiculous.
Strike that. It IS ridiculous. It;'s "getting" assinine.
April 5, 2008 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hi, Allsburg.
Be careful about jumping to conclusions on this. There was a lot of this very same thing happening in Texas--Obama supporters being contacted by the Clinton campaign; Clinton supporters being contacted by the Obama campaign--by phone, email, and snail mail.
I kind of suspect there's a benign reason for this that just isn't readily obvious. Perhaps the state Democratic parties sent both campaigns databases of caucus information that don't include candidate preference info. Or maybe these "oops" contacts are due to database entry errors.
At any rate, I got the feeling that a lot of the suspicion that flared up in Texas (among supporters of both candidates) seemed to be unwarranted since it was happening with both campaigns. I certainly hope there was no mischief involved, because if there was, both campaigns would have been guilty in Texas.
I hope you guys have a great time at your district caucus. Ours was long (and tedious at times) but we met some great people and had a good time overall.
Cheers!
April 5, 2008 1:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Read up on that Texas thing. My recollection is that it did not happen to the same degree with all sides, and I think Election Central actually spoke with some of the delegates.
April 5, 2008 1:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I did see this in a post on TPM Election Central on March 30:
I believe this quote refers to the Clinton campaign's attempts to challenge the credentialing processes in Texas. See how Texas Democratic Party chairman Boyd Ritchie addresses this issue in a press release dated March 17:
April 5, 2008 2:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like Randi Rhodes and Samantha Power were both right. Hillary is a fucking whore monster.
April 5, 2008 6:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now, that's just not helpful.
Although, if backed into a corner, I'd rather be defending Ms. Power than Ms. Rhodes. Neither one added much to the dialog at this point though.
...alright, monster was funny.
April 5, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
more breathless discussion of not so much of anything new.
am i to believe the obama campaign with all that money they have, well they are contacting, they are probably donating money to their favorite charities...
come on, they are conducting a political campaign, not tea and scones and some pleasant banter of a high school forensic contents...get over it you were for obama before, you are today and will be on the morrow
because, you are the change you have been looking for...egad...does anyone else gag at even seeing that kind of prattle in print?
April 5, 2008 7:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
because, you are the change you have been looking for...egad...does anyone else gag at even seeing that kind of prattle in print?
Yes.
April 5, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
This happened in Iowa, too, before the county conventions. My delegate husband got two robo-calls and one mailer that week. Also Hillary's delegates at the convention were bitter, negative and suspicious. Consequently, Hillary ended up further behind in delegates.
My brother in Texas had a similar experience at his convention there last week.
April 5, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am frankly shocked that a nanobot-loving nut-case like Allsburg would be trusted with this kind of responsibility. What's next? Guns for psychopaths?
April 5, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
What do you mean, NEXT? It's the psychopaths who already have guns. Some even shoot their lawyer-friends in the face!
April 5, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I may be naive here - but could you not merely hit the DELETE key, vote for Obama, and get on with your life?
Just asking.
I mean - no one has put a gun to your head on this. I know credit card companies that are more aggressive in their quest for your support.
April 5, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right? I mean, filtering out your snark, I agree with your substance. We are, after all, exercising our free will.
But I hope all of us can calm down a bit here. As I noted upthread, this same stuff was going on in Texas, and I believe it was completely benign.
What's terrible is that some supporters (but not this particular poster) on both sides really worry and suspect that the other (enemy) side is trying to dupe them into caucusing for the other candidate. Folks who go to the trouble to attend Democratic Party conventions are gung-ho, and they are invested in their chosen candidates. They're not gonna be duped! So folks can put that worry to rest. (Yes, I'm talking to you, Lalo35adm. ;-D )
April 5, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I may be naive here - but could you not merely hit the DELETE key, vote for Obama, and get on with your life?
I'll second that emotion. And I have to wonder also, when November rolls around, will Obama be asking Clinton supporters to betray their candidate?
April 5, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
"And I have to wonder also, when November rolls around, will Obama be asking Clinton supporters to betray their candidate?"
Are you talking about McCain?
April 5, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
No.
April 5, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then I completely don't understand the question, as unless you expect Hillary to make a 3rd party run for President, she won't be on the ballot if Obama is.
And presumably, she'll have asked her supporters to fully support Obama by that time as well.
Not trying to be an ass, but really, I don't get the question.
April 5, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really enjoyed this post. Very catchy title, and you had to read the whole thing to discover that there was really nothing to it.
This is going to be difficult for you to fathom, but in all likelihood, Hillary doesn't know you from Adam. True, you participated in a caucus which makes you an important individual, but somehow I don't think Hillary personally sat down at her laptop and wrote you that message. And the person who sent out that message... they probably didn't bother to check your name against a list of the many, many thousands of starry-eyed caucus participants who make this country the great nation that it is.
I wouldn't count on Obama knowing who you are either.
It's kind of like those signatures that appear on the bottom of letters you sometimes get from politicians.... they're usually just copies of their signature. The politician didn't actually sign the letter. Probably didn't write it either. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the world of politics is a brutal, BRUTAL world as you will learn with bitter experiences like the one you just endured and felt compelled to share with us. But I do hope this doesn't put you off politics. The Party needs more people like you.
April 5, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
The more I think about it, Mr. Allsburg, perhaps you should consider staying home today and skipping the district caucus after what Hillary Clinton did to you. Why should an idealistic young man like you expose yourself to people who would support a wanton woman who sends you seductive e-mails?! Time to drop out! To HECK with all politicians! Don't caucus! Don't vote! (I hope "heck" wasn't too strong a word. I'm really riled.)
April 5, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell, I would have caucused for Clinton if she had just sent me a seductive e-mail. That sounds hot!
April 5, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, Otto! You're letting the snark get ahold of you too hard, now!
I know the title of this post sounds a wee bit hysterical, but try not stew and get steamed. There was a lot of irrational suspicion (on both sides) going on in Texas ahead of our county conventions, but I think most everyone got over it. They will in Washington, too.
Also, regarding over-wrought post titles: do you think that might be happening to some degree because of the volume of posts here lately? I mean, considering the rapidity in which some posts slip right off the "recent" list, maybe people are using more sensational post titles to try to lure more readers to read and recommend their posts.
April 5, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
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