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Angry Bloggers Demand Substance
Enraged bloggers took to the streets and information superhighways today to protest ABC News's lack of substance in yesterday's debate. After weeks of posting about nothing but Tuzla, "bittergate", and Reverend Wright, the bloggers excoriated George Stephanopoulos and the other moderators for asking the candidates about nothing but Tuzla, "bittergate", and Reverend Wright. When challenged about about apparent hypocrisy of these demands, one blogger, who goes by the screen name, one_blogger, responded,
That's not true. We post about other things...like trolls.Asked whether George Stephanopoulos should have asked the candidates about trolls, the blogger responded,
GFYWAIR, m'tard!!!!Roughly translated, this means: Take a hike, bozo.
Other bloggers acknowledged that it would have been inappropriate to ask the candidates about trolls but argued that the lack of substance was one-sided. One blogger, who goes by the screen name, another_blogger, explained:
It was a hit job. Question after insubstantial question criticizing Obama. There should be an equal amount of insubstantial criticism directed at both candidates.Asked for an example of balanced insubstantial criticism, the blogger referred to the recommended reader posts at TalkingPointsMemo.com, which are evenly divided between insubstantial criticisms of Hillary Clinton and insubstantial criticisms of trolls.
ABC News shrugged off the controversy and vowed to continue its policy of substance-free journalism. The bloggers, seeking to escalate the standoff, have vowed to boycott ABC News. Since most bloggers already boycott Fox News, CBS News, NBC News, CNN, and most other major news outlets for various infractions, they risk suffering from severe news deprivation. A real medical doctor, who specializes in the news-related pathologies, expressed concern:
Addicted bloggers can survive for weeks without news, but it takes a toll on their nervous systems. Their posts begin to take on incestuous qualities, as they start to write about nothing but other blogs. They lose their friends, their spouses, and their pets, until their only social interactions come from similarly afflicted victims. Often, they try to escape and write anguished farewell posts, only to return a few days later with disturbing new avatars.Asked if there was any cure, the doctor responded:
Turn off the computer.






Comments (80)
You've missed your calling. Conceptual artists would kill for your deft meta-hand.
Genghis, the Warhol of snark.
April 17, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're no slouch either.
(Sorry, couldn't help myself.)
April 17, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, but I'm afraid that I don't really get conceptual art. It usually seems to me like bad poetry with a visual component. In college, artist David Hammond put a big rock in the middle of campus with a bunch of fans on it. It was called "Rock Fan". Get it? Here's a write up:
This is spin in the ultimate Mark Penn sense of the word. We ridiculed Rock Fan. We sculpted Snow Fans, Jello Fans, etc. Hammons and various administrators were outraged that the work was painted purple. The vacuum cleaners lasted all of an hour. And I'm sure that Rock Fan was pissed on nightly by drunk students.
I love going off-thread on my own post. Anyway, this is just one of many reasons why I could never be a conceptual artist.
April 17, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's what I'm saying. You're on another plain, man.
April 18, 2008 12:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wait, is it plain or plane? Is there any conceptual value in switching them? Or is Plame more appropriate?
April 18, 2008 12:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Conceptual art is really bad. Real artists don't do it. They do the art. Conceptual artists do the concept. Very lazy. You're better than that. In some ways.
April 18, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just imagine how sick of this all Hillary and Barack must be. Most of us tuned out the contentless bullsh*t a week ago in order to rate trolls and campaign for William Jennings Bryan.
But they *can't* rate trolls. They've got to keep slinging the bullshit 24-7. The amazing thing is that either of them still want the job.
April 17, 2008 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe they do rate trolls. Any of us could be Hillary or Barack. Or Mike Gravel.
April 17, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Any of us??!
I dunno, I think everyone here is far too nice. You have to to have a few bits missing from your heart and your head to be a politician.
Of course there are exceptions. Tom Delay was missing more than a few bits.
Thanks for the grins.
:)
April 17, 2008 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama: Fake Sinbad
HRC: Fake Rambo
You heard it here first.
April 17, 2008 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
You mean that wasn't Rambo?
April 18, 2008 1:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, Hillary is totally BevD.
April 18, 2008 3:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of Rocky, or Rambo, or whatever...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyhIBXNfqMA
April 18, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think ABC should have had a dance off instead of a debate.
April 17, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dance-offs are dead to me now.
April 17, 2008 10:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
What about a breakdance fight?
April 18, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086999/
April 18, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
A dance off instead of a debate ABC should have had. (Translated from the English, back to the original Yoda).
April 18, 2008 12:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
In my best Brittany-fan voice, "Leave Desidero Alone! Just leave Desidero alone!"
ahem...aside from that...
Brillaint! Thanks!
April 17, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh I don't know...
That was a stroke of brilliance my friend. I guess you had to have read Desidero's goodbye cruel world post. The best comedey is based on truth. LOL
April 18, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Genghis?! What happened? Are you alright? What did you see on the other side? Have you returned in one piece? Do you still have your ability to snark?
April 18, 2008 12:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
I feel like the floor of a taxicab.
April 18, 2008 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
The "downtown" quote was priceless. I'm so proud of you guys.
April 18, 2008 12:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, I am so totally Dr. Venkman. I can see Genghis as Ray and DF as Egon, but that could go either way. This wouldn't be a liberal forum if I didn't mention Winston. Okay, I could also be Winston.
April 18, 2008 12:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
No offense, guys, but I've gotta get my own lawyer.
April 18, 2008 1:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
It was so...beautiful. Such amazing colors. Such sweet music. Everything is going to be OK. Barack and Hillary will love each other again. McCain will concede before the convention. Hillbots and Obamaniacs and Repuglican trolls will frolic joyfully amongst the spring blossoms.
April 18, 2008 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
You heard it here first, folks. THE ONE who has been to the OTHER SIDE has spoken.
April 18, 2008 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
For those of you who are lost, DF and LBP and I have crossed over to the other side. It was simply incredible. I'm transformed...
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/rtfm.php#comment-2731646
April 18, 2008 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
That was fucking outrageous. One for the books.
April 18, 2008 12:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
In completely inappropriate seriousness, I thank you for the snark and journey to the OTHER SIDE. I had a long day and I needed a good laugh after dancing with oceankat inside the six-sided ring of fire. At least now I know that I'm a deceitful, hyperbolic liar that needs to rise above the behavior that is not beneath me. Or something.
Readytoblowagasket once told me that I was swinging below my average, but at least was nice about it.
Oh well. At the end of the day I don't really care, but I wasn't in the mood to be called a lying, partisan hack. Maybe I'll be more in the mood on the morrow!
April 18, 2008 1:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
You aren't a lying partisan hack.
I hope you're over your cold.
April 18, 2008 1:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, thanks! Right back at you! Seriously. :)
I appreciate the well wishing. I'm feeling a lot better, but this one was weird. Rather persistent sore throat, but it's waning now.
April 18, 2008 1:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're a lying partisan hack and a deceitful hyperbolic liar, your avatar is a fraud, and you have unhealthy fixation with Wham. Sleep well.
PS I guess that the effects of the OTHER SIDE have worn off.
April 18, 2008 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hrm.. how does one tell?
April 18, 2008 1:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's like Cheers, except where no one knows your real name.
April 18, 2008 1:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, what's shakin', Norm?
April 18, 2008 1:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
NORM!!!!!!!
April 18, 2008 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's brilliant.
April 18, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry I missed that.
(Little Allsburg hasn't been feeling well.)
April 18, 2008 3:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
I love the one right before you disappear
"Wow. I feel like Luke
Skywalker and Han So
in the trash compacto"
April 18, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Am I a total loser for knowing that the trash compactor number was 3263827? Probably, but my seven year old thinks I'm a genius.
That thread was by far the funniest thing I've read yet on TPM. My new goal in life is to reach the other side.
April 18, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Am I a total loser for knowing that the trash compactor number was 3263827?
Is that a rhetorical question?
April 18, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it is.
And you are like Obi-Wan Kenobi and I'm Luke Skywalker. You've crossed over to the other side but I can still talk to you by using the force because we can both use the force (aka TPM comments thread).
April 18, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
frick. That wasn't very smooth. I need more coffee.
But it doesn't matter. I'm getting closer to the other side with each misteak.
April 18, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
"mistake"
April 18, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Laugh it up, fuzzball.
April 18, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Star Wars geekdom has paid off for me as well. My nephew believes that I am some sort of bona fide genius. Joke's on him!
April 18, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Effin' brilliant. Scared my cats when I cackled.
April 18, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
This was great! I'm glad I read it!
April 18, 2008 12:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sweet, people finally wised up and got this on the list. And I was about to give up on you humourless jerks!
April 18, 2008 3:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
DF, you give people too much credit. I suspect that half of these recommends come from people who don't understand that they've just been insulted. People who read the headline and say, "Hey! I'm an angry blogger! And yes, I demand substance! Recommend!!" And people who genuinely feel that the moderators should have asked Hillary about inane and petty accusations too.
"How about those tax returns Hillary!"
April 18, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever, Allsburg. You only recommended because this post refers to trolls.
April 18, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
How can you look down on people from way down there?
April 18, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps, but like the Fed I am all too happy to lather up my fellow bloggers with credit. In fact, I'm going to lower the rate another quarter of a point. Sadly, this still makes credit too expensive for gotalife. It's a real travesty to priced out of the market, but that's how it is in this work-a-day world.
Gotalife, bootstraps. Bootstraps, gotalife.
April 18, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lack of comic relief killed Star Wars I-III.
We won't have to face that dire fate, it seems. And since we got nuttin' else, keep the yuks coming.
April 18, 2008 8:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was thinking more about this post on my way to work, Genghis.
Though it's more Onion than Swift, this is just a great piece of satire.
April 18, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, Genghis... Sanjay Gupta is not "a real medical doctor."
April 18, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
And Ric Flair isn't a real wrestler
April 18, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now that's hitting below the Gupta.
April 18, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
This has been like going through a time warp and a black hole and finding out what's on the other side and it's not pretty.
April 18, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I knew I should have been a doctor.
I've been saying the same thing for weeks - a natural born diagnostician, dat's me.
LOL!
April 18, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is much ado about nothing. An attempt was made to make it appear that the public is rising up in anger against ABC. In fact, it was Obama supporters, and ABC has handled the controversy very gracefully.
What angered Obama supporters more than the questions themselves is that they created the circumstance which allowed Obama to stumble and show his weakness in the "ugly politics" arena. Obama wanted to be in politics. He wants "a new kind of politics", but for now he's stuck with politics as they are. Maybe if elected he can begin to change the way things are, but for now he's running the old fashioned way as evidenced by his own campaign's negative attacks, and the debate showed he's not good at it when the heat gets turned up. Now we know exactly what kind of campaign to expect from the GOP, because they will of course go after Obama's weaknesses.
April 18, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you lost?
April 18, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh no! I just realized I'm still on TPM! Damn you, Otto!
April 18, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it is.
And you are like Obi-Wan Kenobi and I'm Luke Skywalker. You've crossed over to the other side but I can still talk to you by using the force because we can both use the force (aka TPM comments thread).
April 18, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
ignore this - I reposted it above in reply to the appropriate comment.
April 18, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I came flying in here thinking there were going to be posts about cannabis. Only to find it's a bunch of you carrying on about nothin'.
like. Sheeets. to the wind.
FALsE aDVERTISING!!!!
April 18, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
This might surprise you, but Gotalife racks eightballs for Clearthinker and I, behind TPM Horse's Mouth.
April 18, 2008 11:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Avaricious Commercial Networks Crave Deadlocked Convention.
Unless some pretty blonde white girl goes missing, and then screw the deadlocked convention.
April 18, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, The Obama Cult's angry bloggers are just pouting and upset that Obama is actually getting questions about his words and actions. This is long overdue.
How are you all going to handle that one news item going into this weekend is Obama's boorish response the day after the debate in flipping off Clinton at an event in North Carolina? Dismiss it as you likely will, it is already gaining more mention in the news and the video and audience response is pretty clear.
The more Obama acts out, whines, and cries, the worse he looks. The online tantrums of his supporters only highlight the immaturity of his campaign and his unelectability. Good going!
Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com
April 18, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
you're going to be sooooo pissed when he's elected President...
April 18, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, Matthew. I'm so glad you're here. I can't get any of these Obamanauts to tell me why Obama called Charlie Gibson "Sir" at the start of the debate. I'm hoping you can shed some light on that.
April 18, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I did not bother watching the debate. I watched a Three Stooges Episode.
The usual Three Stooges stuff. One guy named Charlie used a baseball bat to assault a very refined African American Gentleman. After Charlie got tired of assaulting the Black Man, he then passed the baseball bat to a Stooge name George, who then wailed on the same African American Gentlemen, until Stooge number two grew tired of it. Then Stooge one, turned to Stooge number three, some one named Tuzla Mistake and asked her if she wished to have unlimited time with the baseball bat to punish the black man for not wearing a flag pin, and for having lived in the same large city as some guy who was a friend of two people that Tuzla Mistakes' husband had pardoned.
Tuzla Mistake said; thank you Charlie, and yes I would.
I bet you folks are all jealous that you wasted your time watching that boring debate, instead of catching that classic episode of The Three Stooges starring in: Only White Folks Don't Need To Wear Flag Pins.
April 18, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Angry Bloggers should Demand Substance from Obama. Why Protest against ABC? They should protest against Obama to get some substantive clear answers from their leader.
April 18, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
And what would a "substantive" debate between HRC and BHO have looked like?
Considering practically everyone agrees that the two Democrats have nearly identical policy platforms, I suspect it would have been a lot like a cartoon debate...with one candidate claiming that "my opponent's 3-cent tax hike goes too far." And the other declaring that "my opponent's 3-cent tax hike doesn't go too far enough." (Thanks, Futurama)
In any case, I have to admit that this post made me laugh. Bravo, genghis.
April 18, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
While Hillary Clinton was saying today that she
did not think Senator Obama should not be complaining about the kind of questions that Charlie and George asked during the debate, her daughter Chelsey was saying the exact opposite to a College group.
Chelsey urged them to call ABC and complain about the lack of substance in the questions that Charlie and George asked during the debate. Chelsey also said that her mother has complained about those kinds of questions, in the past.
More of the same usual Clinton Doublespeak Bullshit.
Here is the NBC account of what Chelsey said, today.
She did a lot of "whining" about the quality of the questions.
From NBC's Lauren Appelbaum
PHILADELPHIA -- During an event billed as a discussion on the high costs of higher education yesterday afternoon, Chelsea Clinton faced difficult questions from Drexel University law students and faculty. Clinton called on those in attendance to call ABC with their complaints about last night's debate, tied her mother's work with children and women to the current situation with the Texas sect, and poked fun at a conservative first-year law student in the audience.
THE DEBATE: UNFAIR TO OBAMA?
One of the questions Clinton fielded came from a university administrator who asked her about her mom's actions during Tuesday night's debate. "Frankly, I was disappointed in her that she didn't have a stronger reaction to some of the inane questions that were asked that last night and that were really insulting to us and the candidates," Leslie Friedman said to Clinton.
"I agree," Clinton said. "My mom's been talking about the issues ... from public school reform to higher education affordability to equal pay to expanding Family Medical Leave. ... That's what she talks about. I wish that was what the media covered. I wish that was what they had asked about from the beginning last night."
But Friedman, who supports Obama, was not satisfied with this answer, firing back: "I think it's important though for a leader also to step up and say, 'You know, these kinds of questions are inappropriate, and I am insulted when you ask me or my opponent those questions.' And I wish that your mom would stand up and say that."
"And she has so frequently," Chelsea responded. "I am certainly proud at how she has been standing up and talking about the issues, and I wish that is what was focused on. I wish that was what the two moderators at the debate had started the debate last night. I also, as someone who has been a member of the family that has been on the receiving end quite a bit of Republican fire understand that some of what came up in the debate last night in the first part of the debate is unfortunately what will come up in the general election for whomever is running. ... I know that that type of attack will often be more subtle than what was raised in the debate last night and certainly will be pushed forward as trying to carve out what is at stake in this election."
"I wish that was what the debate was focused on last night," Clinton continued, saying her mother would have rather had issue-based questions. "And I hope that you'll write to ABC and you'll tell them that. I'm serous though. ... I hope that you will try to again reestablish those issues of being the focal point of not only this debate but of our politics. I wish that were true. I'm so proud that that is what my mom is always fighting to do."
April 18, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Edit: The above to say;
While Hillary Clinton was saying today that she
did not think Senator Obama should be complaining
April 18, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why did this thread go all serious at the end? I am furrowing my brow at the seriousness.
April 18, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Snarkless boneheads. Ignore them, DF.
April 18, 2008 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Genghis, you rock.
Sincerely, a fan.
April 18, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
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