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Alice Palmer Dumps Obama
Alice Palmer is campaigning for Hillary Clinton inIndiana.Palmer is the former state senator. In the '90's, she selected Obama to be her successor. But when she tried to reclaim her spot, B.O. got her kicked off the ballot.
The Chicago Tribune has the dirt on how Mr. Niceguy became state senator.
It isn't pretty.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,1,57567.story
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Comments (25)
Why is your headline in the present tense?
Palmer and Obama have been estranged since 1996, when she reneged on her promise not to run for reelection and then failed to obtain enough valid signatures to qualify for the ballot.
April 26, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was sure anyone can twist anything, but you just raised the bar even further.
It's clear that you simply refuse to see that your candidate is a smooth operator and a cut-throat politician merged in one.
But keep holding fingers in your ears and pretend you can't hear, when you finally return to the reality-based world, there will also be some other brand new candidate talking about hope and change.
Like sex, hope and change also sells well. No proof or reasoning is necessary, an empty promise is always just fine.
April 26, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you responding to what I said, or was that generic trolling?
April 27, 2008 8:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sour grapes... bitter "whine."
April 26, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
scumlord,
Sounds like Obama dumped Palmer...about 12 years ago. That's some pretty desperate digging there, sister. If nothing else, sound like Obama is tougher than you have been giving him credit for. Good job on that!
April 26, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's just how I read that.
LOL!
April 26, 2008 11:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha. So one politician that failed to follow the rules is helping another politician that doesn't like to let rules get in her away? Birds of a feather...
April 26, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gee, Obama made a legal challenge and got petitions discredited which were out of order for candidates who were unfortunate enough to pay $5 a signature for forged documents. Not pretty, indeed. But the fact that Palmer lost her challenge to Jesse Jackson was poor choices on her part, and she already knew Obama was not going to back down once he started his campaign. She should have made sure she had verifiable petitions. He did. How does this make him bad exactly?
April 26, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
why do all the obamaites think their dude is "above it all" but in reality, it's just a holier than thou act? So annoying...
April 26, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stop your whining, whiner!
April 26, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Publius, I am asking what exactly makes him bad. Playing by the rules, bringing legitimate legal challenges to petitions that were not properly signed off? Please specify the bad part of what he did.
April 26, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Take a memo!
Waaaaaah!
April 26, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
can't address the question I raised, eh?
April 26, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's not above it all. He's got a new idea about how to do it. Hillary & her cohort started with the low blows and Obama & his cohort had to reply. We all know that Obama promised to run a clean campaign on real issues, but his supporters would rather see him win than see him standing proudly on the bow of a sinking ship. If Obama weren't willing to adapt in order to win I wouldn't be supporting him.
He's a politician. I think he's a better politician for America. You think Hillary's better and somehow more virtuous. But although the dirt on her has been suppressed since December, no doubt the Republicans are hoarding mud to sling at her upon her nomination. She wasn't vetted in NY, and hasn't been scrutinized since she left the white house.
None of these guys are angels. Not even Edwards was squeaky clean.
April 26, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
She anoints him the successor to her senate seat and so she can run for congress and gives him her word she won't run for her senate seat... then she turns around and decides to go against her word after she loses her run. And Obama is supposed to just stop his campaign after investing all that money and resources and just let her run. Uh huh, ok... only a weak-assed idiot would just fold over for that.
I see, so its Obama's fault that the other candidates are forging signatures for their petitions. He's supposed to just sit back and let them break the law.
What a non-story.
April 26, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
exactly. Non story. That mean old Obama, following the damn rules!
April 26, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palmer was a mentor. The story is what it is.
You'd think she might recognize that Obama coming into politics through her seat was more consequential, and served a higher purpose in Democratic politics, than anything Ms. Palmer has ever done. She apparently feels otherwise, and puts the slight to her above the fact that we now stand on the brink of having a Presidential nominee she mentored, and the first African-American nominee in history to boot.
Apparently to her, all politics is personal. It's about who did you wrong. Kind of like Hillary and Bill, with their Nixonian enemies list. So she belongs with them, which is her right.
That's fine. I'm not saying Palmer should have been glad when she reneged, and Barack stayed put. But twelve years is long enough to get over it, given the good that ensued. A big yawn out to this nothing post.
Maybe Barack should campaign with Kathleen Willey.
Oops -- only the Clinton folks find the personal enemies to parade about. Time for them to go!
April 26, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
One wonders why Obama bothers with the rules anyway... Clintonites seem to think that he should be just like her and bend the rules.. strange people!!
April 26, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is really scraping the bottom of the barrell for some dirt to throw on poor Obama.. whats the matter with these Clintonites?
April 26, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama supporters do not think he is above the fray. we know it from his actions. anyone who can restrain himself and not get down and dirty with the likes of the clintons and their surrogates is nothing shy of a saint!
i am beyond losing control and i am not obama. he has the patience of JOB and the resolve of steel.
April 26, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama's campaign calls hillary the 'master of a broken system' and spends millions to denegrate her plan for universal health coverage and then turns around and calls her the 'negative campaigner'--doesn't that bother any of you?
Us Hillary supporters aren't whining, just pointing out that it seems strange to me that he'd have the 'audacity' to run as a 'different kind of politicean' when he really isn't anything of the sort.
plus, he comes across arrogant and wimpy at the same time. yuck. very unpresidential.
April 26, 2008 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seems to me this article says he tougher than anyone thinks. It also says that all the opponents did have illegal signatures on their petitions -- one guy admits he paid kids $5 per sheet to get signatures, and they ended up forging them. And Palmer -- her quotes at the end leave the impression that she admires him still.
I find it quite amusing that this link and lede is posted on MyDD -- exact words, only the headline is different. Theirs says "How Obama Became State Senator -- the Sordid Tale."
Ooooh -- the sordid tale! And here you'd think Hillary supporters would admire some real politicking.
April 26, 2008 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Read the whole article folks. It's not as simple as 'slumlord' would like you to think. Notable sections of the article:
"I hadn't publicly announced," he said. "But what I said was that once I announce, and I have started to raise money, and gather supporters, hire staff and opened up an office, signed a lease, then it's going to be very difficult for me to step down. And she gave me repeated assurances that she was in [the congressional race] to stay."
Obama "did say that to me," Palmer says now. "And I certainly did say that I wasn't going to run. There's no question about that."
"I thought the world of Alice Palmer," said state Rep. Barbara Flynn Currie (D-Chicago), now the House majority leader. But "at that point she had pulled her own plug."
"We looked at those petitions and found that none of them met the requirements of the law," Dobry said. "Alice's people, they'd done it in a great hurry. Almost all her petitions were signed a day or so before the deadline."
I could go on, but the point is that this was a complicated situation. One can just as easily claim that Obama was about to be the victim of Palmer - that she went back on her word with him, and he stood up and defended himself. He didn't remover her from the ballot illegally - if she was allowed to be on the ballot, she would have been there improperly because the petitions were not valid. It can be said without any stretch of the truth that Palmer wasn't playing by the rules - she was breaking her word with Obama AND trying to get on the ballot with invalid petitions. Palmer created the mess. You may or may not agree with the way Obama dealt with this tricky situation, but Palmer was not the poor little victim that 'slumlord' makes her out to be.
April 27, 2008 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't believe you read the article.
April 27, 2008 7:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, that was in reply to Lalo35adm way up top.
This comment system sucks.
April 27, 2008 8:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
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