I think two things are becoming increasingly obvious:

1. Hillary Clinton will work with, and use, the Republicans to defeat Obama. To say she's any better than McCain is... premature.

2. Rush Limbaugh needs to be put in prison for his blatant advocation of voter fraud, not because he's breaking the law, but because he's attempting to undermine the very definition of democracy.

One has to understand, these two individuals - Hillary and Limbaugh - represent an axis of power in the US that is almost as old as the nation itself. Political parties may act as though their is a wide gulf between them, but the second that shared power is threatened, they'll act with a single mind to quench that threat to their power. This is a classic and well-known political theory. This is also, incidentally, why we only have a two-party system in the US, and why we can only EVER have a two-party system in the US.

This is also why it's about time these parties, and these individuals, get what's coming to them.

Limbaugh needs to be indicted on felony voter fraud. I'm fully aware that the only reason he hasn't yet is because the people who would prosecute him are corrupt and bought by the very people Limbaugh associates with.

Good Post- Excellent research. Thanks

Sadly, many of the same folks who've made their blogging careers out of decrying the Rush Limbaughs of this world, are the same bloggers now wringing their hands about whatever it is that Rush & Co is gonna bring to the GE. Grow a spine and join the fray, you invertebrates.

I'm glad that someone has finally pointed out what should have been obvious for weeks by the MSM.

We Americans do not have many rights left after Bush has trashed and shredded the constitution. But even he and his cabal have not managed, yet, to take away or sacred right to vote. The most sacred right we have as indiviuals.

I have written to every major newspaper, network news and individual columnists for weeks underscoring what I thought was voter fraud by Limbaugh. He should be dragged out of that radio station in cuffs and prosecuted for voter fraud. There is no telling how the Ohio and Texas contests would have turned out and how Obama's delegate count was affected.

While everyone on the talk shows are having an organism over Rev. Wright, maybe the last laugh will be on them when they get a McCain for prsident and we "bomb, bomb Iran.

The super delegates need to tell Hillary to get out of this race and maybe without her's and Bill's melodrama "part two" the media would focus on Limbaugh and his vile behavior towards our sacred right to vote.

Obama has achieved the heretofore unthinkable ... winning 2-1 in states across the country on a message of moving our politics beyond the tiresome impasse that is our national conversation about Iraq, the economy, you name it. We're stuck rehashing stale conversations because g-d forbid we ever decide to pay attention to who's talking sense and who's talking trash.

In? Or out? Of Iraq. Who knows with Hillary?

In? Or out? Of an impending economic crisis. Who knows, with Alan leading Hillary's latest commission on 'how it all went wrong'?

In both of the above instances, we know the players who helped get us into the mess. Are you suggesting, along with Hillary, that they now know how to get us out?

Me, I'll take the guy who evinced a certain skepticism all along the way to today.

Today's Chicago Tribune's OpEd page featured an article by Alfred Regnery, ultra right-wing publisher of The American Spectator and many right-wing books, advises McCain to "Take a look at Nixon's Playbook" and emulate the way Nixon defeated McGovern, to "exploit McGovern's liberalism for everything it was worth."
Times have changed since 1972. Liberalism isn't what it was then.
The vast Right Wing Cons-Piracy is now working for Hillary Clinton but only because they think she's easier for McCain to beat in the GE.
Limbaugh should be prosecuted for vote fraud but I'm not holding my breath. The Bushies tolerate lawlessness when it suits their purposes. Sunlight will have to be the best disinfectant for now.

Does anybody have any advice on how we can legally or creatively take Rush Limbaugh on! I agree I think it is disengenious to vote for someone you know beforehand that will not support come November, its gaming pure and simple. What really amazes me is the hypocrisy that the conservative movement displays when on the one hand they hold strong moral views and judgement towards public figures while at the same time participating in a ingenuine activity. I guess you could call this a lack of integrity or you could identify it with people who like to win no matter the cost. Grees and power, I wonder how that sits with their souls when going to the church on Sunday?

By the way I am generalizing and understand that many Republicans and conservatives, especially fiscal conservatives, have generally switched because of the distaste at the current President.

I'm willing to go with the idea that a lot of Republicans simply feel disaffected by the past 7+ years -- as much as I'm willing to believe there are many lemmings with no qualms about election tampering if Limbaugh tells them it's naughty. One gives me hope, the other makes me sick.

But whatever the ratio of these two forces, the idea that Sen. Clinton is embracing the most far-flung of the lot (Scaife, etc.) just freaks me out. It seems to me, of a kind with election tampering.

I've been pissed off for years at how the Clintons were treated by these same scumbags. They've plunged the level of political discourse so far toward a kind of discursive pornography that people are incapable of shock any more. Reality politics. Pretty much embodied by Bush.

That Sen. Clinton and her campaign are willing to embrace these same people--whether in desperation or some kind of abject cynicism--doesn't exactly bode well for her legacy, and certainly not for the country.

Has she just flipped out completely? Jesus, no amount of power is worth this.

Jacobson, I'll try to be careful in scratching the surface of your thinking. I'd hate for my finger to push through -- Obama is running for office.

If he's attempting to persuade voting Republicans to cross-over, don't you think it might be in the interest of democracy?

Okay, no. You probably don't think this. You know he's running for office right?

Well. Let's put it another way. Let's say Rush Limbaugh actually won the Democratic. . . . wait a minute! Rush isn't running for office! Holy Cow!

So what IS it he's trying to do, Jacobson? Don't bother trying too hard to think about it. I'd hate for you to hurt yourself.

This is one place where Democratic superdelegates can play a role. If there's evidence that a certain number of the votes for Clinton came from mischief-making Republicans, the superdelegates can take that into account and vote Obama.

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superpuck
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Amidst all the sarcasm, your point is what … that Rush Limbaugh is less entitled to free speech on voter registration than a candidate’s campaign?

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Liberals are the only people on earth who play the victim card and scream "Character Assassination" when we playback what they just said.

I was really impressed with the sweep of condemning people of the following breadth of politics as "our worst enemies":

"You'll quote anyone, you'll believe anyone, even our worst enemies like Andrew Sullivan and David Brooks and Arianna Huffington and Bill Kristol and Rush Limbaugh and Barbara Eirenriech (sic) and Frank Rich and Maureen Dowd and E.J. Dionne and Jonathan Alter, those same people who put Bush in the White House with their lies, and half truths and innuendo, their parroting of memes and their downright lazy, crackpot, speculative, peer driven reporting."

Frank Rich would be entertained, no doubt, to be tarred as a Bush lover. That paragraph wins the Too Much Caffeine award, and could only be improved by the use of capitalization.

Back to the point of this thread, Rush's effect is overrated. In Texas Obama won Republicans, but by a narrower margin (53-45, I heard) than he did previously. People do strategic voting. If Obama is strong enough to win, and he is, he'll overcome this. It's not felonious, it's ordinary. My parents both did it in 88, because they disliked, respectively, Bob Dole and Jesse Jackson. I dislike it too, so I understand why it makes people angry, but we need to chill out. I am a lifelong Democrat, but understand that we want Republicans in the general, and I think it's fine if they crossover, and trust that they more frequently do to favor rather than disadvantage someone. But in America, you're allowed to vote both for someone or against them. It's a binary function.

The post at the top of this thread raises the interesting point of why the Clintons play nice with people who say things beyond the pale (Limbaugh: Chelsea = family dog; McCain: Chelsea ugly b/c Janet Reno sired Chelsea). Matt Drudge, who broke the Monica story, has also been assiduously cultivated by Hillary, through a staffer who quietly places material with him regularly. See the September 22, 2007 piece in the NYT by Jim Rutenberg, "Clinton Learns To Play Along With Drudge."

I've yet to see a transcript of Bill Clinton hosting Rush Limbaugh's show. Anyone have a link?

i will laugh when the republicans help hillary win .....:) its going to be funny when she then turns around and whens the general election.

Here is the link to the Rush Limbaugh show, Rush was out sick, Mark Davis filled in for him, Davis interviewed Bill Clinton that day.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030408/home.guest.html

superpuck et al,
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It isn’t the “coattails” of free speech but the principle of it. As far as law is concerned, voters simply switch party affiliation as per the rules that states BOE; if the state allows it - go fish for the motive if you are board.

If the “intent” of Rush Limbaugh is the culprit being chased here, he simply will fall back on those basic principles of free speech. If it is the “intent” of the voters that switched being chased, good luck proving that one because there is no law beholding one to vote in the final as they did in the primary.

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Liberals are the only people on earth who play the victim card and scream "Character Assassination" when we playback what they just said.

Where on Rush Limbaugh's website does it say that Clinton was on the show?
At this link:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030408/home.guest.html

EIB Guest Host While Rush Is Sick
Mark Davis of WBAP Dallas/Ft. Worth

• Mark Interviews Bill Clinton (no, really)
John McCain's Advantage
Obamamania vs. Clinton Era
• WP: Ask Tough Q's? Yes, They Can!
• AP: OH, TX Could Decide Dem Race
• WP: The Blame Game • Polls: RCP

Play dumb all you want, the more you incorrectly dispute the facts, the more comments to my blog, the more attention it gets. Readers will click on the link to Limbaugh's site and fact check - finding that this did happen as stated in the OP.

Please please say again that the OP is wrong, I can go on all day correcting you.

Hmmm lets see. It says it on the website, that Mark Davis is the GUEST HOST for Rush Limbaugh.

I think that means - guest host.

Rush Limbaugh was (conveniently)out sick on 3/4/08,

Then, Mark Davis is Guest Host FOR RUSH while Rush is out sick.

Mark Davis guest hosting for Rush Limbaugh = Rush Limbaugh Show.

Bill Clinton interviewed by Mark Davis 3/4/08 in the morning, and played on Rush Limbaugh show 3/4/08.

Bill Clinton, - with IQ above 170 - knew that he was going on right wing show with Mark Davis who was filling in for Rush Limbaugh.

Don't tell me that the Clintons won't suck up to the worst most despicable of the right wing media.

Take Hillary just this week:

Hillary Clinton met with the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, which is owned by Richard Mellon Scaife, the man who once said Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster. She knows who owns that paper.

But then, right winger Rupert Murdock has held two (2) fund raisers for the Clinton campaign.

It happened. Its plain and clear, Limbaugh himself states on his website, Mark-Davis-guest-host.

Here is WPABs schedule

http://www.wbap.com/programschedule.asp

8:30AM 10:45AM The Mark Davis Show 10:45AM 11:00AM Paul Harvey 11:00AM 2:00PM Rush Limbaugh

According to the article linked to the interview:

http://www.wbap.com/Article.asp?id=606119&spid=6051

Ex-President Clinton Talks to WBAP's Mark Davis

(WBAP) - Still campaigning for his wife on a critical primary election day, Ex-President Bill Clinton told WBAP's Mark Davis that he believes Hillary Clinton will defeat Democratic rival Barack Obama on Tuesday.

Click here for the complete interview.
Updated on 3/4/2008 9:58:49 AM

It's right there in black and white for anyone with a modicum of integrity to read. The interview happened between 9:30 and 10:00 a.m. during Marks local show on WBAP. Rushs show isn't on until 11:00.

Maybe you want to correct your incorrect assumption for the record now? I knew there was something fishy about the whole thing. I don't think you're helping Obama by posting such easily disproved snark. Clinton may be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.

I think the outrage over Chaos is absurd. I have yet to read anything saying it is illegal. Beyond that, it is consistent with what both parties and the media have done forever. Both side have: walked neighborhoods to get out only their registered votes; targeted ethnic/demographic communities to register new voters; gerrymandered districts into absurd levels to preserve their elected officials jobs. I am routinely approached by paid voter registration solicitors. I ask them if I can register as a republican. They take away the clipboard and say no thank you! Hmmmm

Put away your outrage and figure out how the party can resolve its differences. The damage is being done by the candidates. Operation Chaos is just a creative way to exploit the cracks that already exist.

Conservative but rarely a republican....

I re-registered in NC as an "Unaffiliated" and am voting for Hillary in the Primary. Purely a revenge vote for the cross-over play in Michigan that Democrats fired at Republicans. I remember all the Democrat laughter and hilarity thinking how clever they were. All the while the clarion call to "screw the Republians" was led by Markos himself. Funny how not a single Dim is calling for his “imprisonment”. Hypocrisy is thy name oh Dim ones. Yep, "Dem" chickens done come home to roost, indeed. The Rats too. You can rant, you can rave but in the end, there’s not a damn thing you can do about it. You set the standard and precedence for 2008, that we’ll now all follow. Pat yourselves on the back, it was brilliant Markos!

The Cuyahoga Board of Elections voting to investigate the matter. Now that smacks of voter intimidation. Maybe they will take away the rights;... of any Republican who freely crossed party lines.... to vote in the General Election. Last time I looked this is still America.