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Why Did Hillary Lie About Where Chelsea was on 9/11?
I just read this on THE HILL by Dick Morris. I don't like him either but what he said triggered a memory in my head and in light of the Bosnia lie or 'mistake'.....it's a good question to ask.
Interviewed on the “Today Show” one week after Sept. 11, she spun an elaborate yarn. The kindest thing we could say was that it was a fantasy. Or a fabrication.
She said that Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 and happened to duck into a coffee shop when the airplanes hit. She said that this move saved Chelsea’s life. But Chelsea told Talk magazine that she was in a friend’s apartment four miles from ground zero when the first plane hit. Her friend called her, waking her up, and told her to turn on the TV. On television, she saw the second plane hit, disproving Hillary’s claim that “she heard the plane hit. She heard it. She did.”
SO WHY DID HILLARY LIE?
Comments (111)
The article goes on to explain:
But a better answer is that she apparently can't help it. Seriously. She not only lies, she lies when the lies are stupid and easily unmasked.
March 26, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you people ever bother to research something before you begin you drivel? All you have to do is check out the name of the author of the book who made these claims, Thomas D. Kuiper. When he went on the talk show circuit, he admitted he couldn't vouch 100% for the information. Sen. Clinton never said her daughter was in danger. She said her daughter was (intended to) go to the towers that day. She and a friend she was staying with had a cup of coffee at her apartment when she saw what was happening on TV. Chelsea then ran toward the towers and stopped at a public telephone to call her mother and she heard the collapse of the second tower. There is nothing sinister or nefarious about what she said and I think you are really working hard to believe this kind of lie.This man wrote in his book, Chris Mathews had seen Hillary making a secret service man carry her luggage and he later corrected the record to reflect the truth which was the man was hired for exactly that purpose and was no a Secret service agent. GET A LIFE!
March 27, 2008 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ummm... I went to Stuyvesant High School.
...it's quite a distance from where the Trade Centers were. Like three or four miles...
March 27, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
um, stuyvesant was relocated to west & chambers streets about 10 years ago(?). the WTC abutted west st. between vesey and liberty (about 5 blocks S of chambers)
March 27, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
No shit?
Well, learn something new every day. Went to Seward Park after that, so I haven't done any of the Sty High reunions.
Thanks for the update.
March 27, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
It turns out she was actually telling the truth about the Bosnia landing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc
March 26, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Serpentine! Serpentine!
March 26, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't even remember the name of it for sure; but it was one of my favorite movies.
March 27, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The In-Laws (1979)
March 27, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love the original The In-Laws.
March 27, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're absolutely right. Looks like someone was able to capture some of the real footage. JJR stands vindicated:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/jjr-on-hrc-tuzla-under-fire.php
March 27, 2008 5:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I never doubted you, JJR. Soldier on.
March 27, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now THAT is funny!
March 27, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
To answer Connie's question - Because she is a pathological liar.
Hilarym99 - That was really funny!
March 26, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Hillary might be a bit of a fabulist, reinventing things to make her more a part of the action. Maybe it's a desire for attention, maybe it's latent frustration from having to play second fiddle to Bill all of the time. Who knows? But, if she is the nominee, it's a total disaster for Dems.
March 26, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
You people have reached an all-time low if you're using and reprinting the ravings of a scumbag like Dick Morris. This accusation has long been completely debunked, although Morris continues to repeat it.
These are the facts: Clinton did not say that Chelsea was jogging "around the towers of the World Trade Center" when the planes hit. On the September 17, 2001, edition of Dateline NBC, Hillary Clinton said that her daughter had "gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit." From the September 17, 2001, edition of Dateline NBC:
CLINTON: She'd gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit.
JANE PAULEY (host): She was close enough to hear the rumble.
CLINTON: She did hear it.
PAULEY: And to see the smoke in person, not on television.
CLINTON: No. Of course, Bill was in Australia. And, you know, he was so upset by what he was seeing on television that I didn't want to tell him that I couldn't find her until I found her. I told him that, you know, everything's fine, don't worry. But I couldn't do it with the level of assurance that I needed until I could find her a couple of hours later.
March 26, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Longtime lurker here. just to put some perspective on this here are Hillary's statements From the Today show (is this accurate?):
CLINTON: She'd gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit.
JANE PAULEY (host): She was close enough to hear the rumble.
CLINTON: She did hear it.
PAULEY: And to see the smoke in person, not on television.
CLINTON: No. Of course, Bill was in Australia. And, you know, he was so upset by what he was seeing on television that I didn't want to tell him that I couldn't find her until I found her. I told him that, you know, everything's fine, don't worry. But I couldn't do it with the level of assurance that I needed until I could find her a couple of hours later.
and here's the description Chelsea gave Talk magazine (taken from Talk Magazine):
"Clinton was alone at a friend’s Union Square apartment in Manhattan that morning, when her friend phoned to tell her what had happened; then Chelsea tried to call her mother, but the line went dead. Panicked, Clinton suddenly found herself running downtown—"the direction everyone was coming from"—in search of a pay phone, desperate to speak to her mother, in Washington, and her father, far away in Australia."
some people will see this as another example of hillary stretching the truth (and yeah, saying chelsea was close enough to hear the rumble? stretch). others will see this as a stretch on the part of those that want to attack hillary. it's up to you i guess to make up your own mind.
/back to lurking
March 27, 2008 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have you ever noticed that when Hillary is pathologically lying she always uses the phrase "you know" in the middle of a sentence.
March 27, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Before I got to your comment I was just thinking about how annoying it is that she injects "you know" after every 4 or 5 words. It's like when a 15 year old girl replaces commas with the word "like."
March 27, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
You people have reached an all-time low if you're using and reprinting the ravings of a scumbag like Dick Morris. This accusation has long been completely debunked, although Morris continues to repeat it.
These are the facts: Clinton did not say that Chelsea was jogging "around the towers of the World Trade Center" when the planes hit. On the September 17, 2001, edition of Dateline NBC, Hillary Clinton said that her daughter had "gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit." From the September 17, 2001, edition of Dateline NBC:
CLINTON: She'd gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit.
JANE PAULEY (host): She was close enough to hear the rumble.
CLINTON: She did hear it.
PAULEY: And to see the smoke in person, not on television.
CLINTON: No. Of course, Bill was in Australia. And, you know, he was so upset by what he was seeing on television that I didn't want to tell him that I couldn't find her until I found her. I told him that, you know, everything's fine, don't worry. But I couldn't do it with the level of assurance that I needed until I could find her a couple of hours later.
March 26, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Independent Ben.
So why has a completely incorrect accusation against Clinton, leveled by Clinton enemy Dick Morris, been widely enough recommended by TPM's readers that it's being featured?
Are there any anti-Clinton ravings that Connie Manes won't republish here?
March 26, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. There's the one about Bill Clinton being on Rush Limbaugh's show the day of the Texas Primary.
Someone else posted that whopper, and it's another recommended post.
March 27, 2008 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now, I don't really care all that much about this, but isn't it true that the plan was for Bill to appear on Rush's show, but that Rush was sick and that subsequently Bill was interviewed by Mark Davis and that this interview was played on Rush's show? If I'm wrong about this then let me know how, but otherwise I think it behooves you to be accurate about it if you're going to debunk the myth. Otherwise it's just a mess of truthiness and I honestly don't think that's what you intend.
March 27, 2008 5:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
No. That's pretty unlikely, wouldn't you say? Hysterical even? It sure didn't take a heck of a lot of time to debunk that bit of malarky, I'll tell you that.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/wtf-rush-limbaugh-taking-opera.php#comment-2681801
LISTEN to the interview, it's there on WPAB, it's not terribly long, and it is merely Bill Clinton talking about the race to a local reporter, (Davis).
Nothing nefarious or devious going on whatsoever. Davis recorded the interview for HIS local show on WPAB Dallas an hour before he did the Rush Show. The news article confirms Clinton spoke to Davis FOR WPAB. The interview is linked on Rush's website, but it isn't part of the EIB audio archives, in fact, Davis didn't talk about Clinton, he talked about Obama that day.
This is the type of thing, and stuff like Sleepers latest blog calling for GOP bully tactics, that really makes me question the Obama campaign.
Bill Clinton on Rush Limbaugh? Sorry, that's just nuts. I find it incredible any reasonable person could believe this stuff.
March 27, 2008 7:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
But Hillary was out telling whoppers on the day of the texas primary and at least 5 other occasions, caught on tape:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMVOT-IH8sg
Way to boost the Dem Party there Hill.
March 27, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Independent Ben:
Your words, "Hillary Clinton said that her daughter had "gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit."
But CHELSEA said she was ASLEEP when a friend came and told her to turn on her TV.
The interview was 6 days after the attack. Why was Hillary STILL telling a different story as to WHERE Chelsea was during this attack, when her own daughter claimed to have been ASLEEP?
SOMEBODY LIED!
March 26, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember her saying Chelsa was jogging around the World Trade Center buildings too.
This was a lie???
Hillary is full of tall tales.
March 26, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or maybe Chelsea lied about her whereabouts?!!??!
Do you really what to go here? About a 9/11 related subject as well, really?
"Clinton is engaging in the most vile acts of dirty politics! pssssst and she lied about....."
Lets not do that.
Please.
March 26, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. I hate to break it to some people, but sometimes daughters lie to their mothers about where they are. Especially if they're sleeping at a "friend's" house.
March 26, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hah. This is a surprisingly reasonable angle. Not that I'm surprised that you're being reasonable, Ben.
March 27, 2008 5:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Um. Independent Ben, you're not quite helping Hillary here. The article you're quoting says that Hillary said Chelsea "gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit."
Chelsea's story is that she was sleeping, somebody is not telling the truth. Chelsea, I'm afraid doesn't have a history of lying therefore, I'm inclined to believe that her mother has a problem with the truth.
March 26, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is running her campaign on her EXPERIENCE in the White House. We now see she lied about a trip to Bosnia, and now this story about where Chelsea was during 9/11. I don't care WHO lied, but somebody did. Who was it?
People have been all over Barack OBama for not leaving a church he's been affiliated with for 17-20 years because of what SOMEBODY ELSE SAID there. If we're going after people on what they said or were associated with saying - it's HILLARY'S turn.
Sorry - if she wants to really help the Party, she'd, at the very least, continue running but stay quiet like Huckabee did in the GOP's race and quit taking Obama down WITH HER (her poll ratings are falling fast) with Republican 'like' swift boat attacks.
March 26, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
While I am no fan of Hillary's and do think she has problems with the truth. This particular one is urban legend. Personally I believe that her originally story that Chelsea was going jogging and her path was going to take her around the towers just turned into she did. We all know how this happens a story gets repeated and each time it changes ever so slightly.
Clinton fans please do not use this explanation to get around the out right lie about sniper fire. Folks you just don't forget coming under gun fire. This one is just inexcusable.
March 26, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
You people have become a freak show. And some call me a troll? Say that I have nothing to say? What drivel..damn....
March 26, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, this is that "Rove" stuff we decry. troll ; )
March 27, 2008 3:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually on this one, Louisville, I'm going to side with you. I see some pretty straightforward reasons why Chelsea might tell a different story. And anyway, Dick Morris really has it in for HRC -- and he's a bit of a creep.
And, as you say, who the heck cares.
March 26, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are so many good reasons to vote for Obama or against Clinton, do we really need to trot out BS like this? It makes us look petty.
March 26, 2008 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. We all remember the attempts to cast Al Gore as the compulsive liar. Even when there was some basis for these claims, they were ultimately a distraction from policy differences.
Say it along with me: "my preferred candidate, (insert candidate), is a lying, adulterous, drug-using, violent, card-counting, circus-loving, zombie-eating, child-molesting, communist-sympathizing, terrorist-- and I don't care."
If you're still having trouble, here is a list of things you are allowed to care about (i.e. scandals):
1) bribery
2) war crimes
March 26, 2008 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
There was NO basis. That's the point. There people like Connie Manes who believe everything they read as long as it reinforces their prejudices and biases.
March 27, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are so many good reasons to vote for Obama or against Clinton,
What would they be? His ability to lose all the states he "won" during the primary season?
March 27, 2008 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why did Barry lie with that 'angry young black man' crap in his books?
March 27, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I hear he didn't even use as many drugs as he claims, either. He puts on this show of being an ordinary human being, with flaws. But if you look closely at the flaws, they all seem to be exaggerated. What a fraud.
Give it a rest.
March 27, 2008 7:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's awful about Obama. Why, instead of building himself up to be bigger than he really is like Hillary, he goes the other way.
Hillary is a compulsive liar. You cannot trust her. That's enough reason in itself to vote Obama.
March 27, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Will Rogers said "if he's a politician and his lips are moving, he's lying, if his lips are not moving, he's talking thru a dummie"
Wait till the Rove-ing swift boaters, start bringing out a string of guys declaring that they never saw or heard of Barack Hussein Obama on the mean streets of Chicago, where he claimed to be working to find jobs for layed off factory workers.
'What goes around comes around". Will Rogers, or Ray Stevens as i recall
March 27, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let me get this straight.
NOT finding people on the streets that can attest to Obama's drug-use is swift boat material?
Think about that for a moment, let it simmer and then bring it to a full boil.
Now you should realize how stupid that sounds.
March 27, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, who the hell cares? Seriously?
March 27, 2008 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I had heard the story about Bill on Rush's show and have even mentioned it in some Comments.
I DO NOT want to spread any falsehoods about anyone. So this isn't true?
However, it IS true that Hillary sat with Richard Mellon Scaife and gave an interview to his fringe, right wing rag. We have the photos (and her odious comments) to prove it.
We have to stay truthful. No earthly reason not to.
March 27, 2008 1:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I had heard the story about Bill on Rush's show
And what did Rush say to Bill on that show?
DOH! You're busted again.
March 27, 2008 2:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
MP3 of the interview.
This is the Rush Limbaugh Show. It is not actually Rush, he was out "sick", but the original plan was to have him interview Bill. Apparently.
March 27, 2008 3:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's not the Rush Limbaugh Show. If it was, there would be a an audio player, an EIB masthead and a bunch of ads selling Rush merchandise.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030408/home.guest.html
There's the archive for that day. Notice the interview in question ISN'T part of the EIB archives. It's linked to WPAB.
Now click on an audio link and see what happens.
March 27, 2008 8:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
It appears Clinton gave an interview to Mark Davis earlier on his own show. Then Mark filled in for Rush later in the day (Rush called in sick) and played the interview Mark did on Rush's show.
The question - did Bill know his interview was going to be played on Rush's show?
It is not much of a leap. And the Rush website has it prominently on the top, inexorably linking it.
It is hard to believe that Bill didn't know. That he believed it was an interview with Davis only which gives him plausible deniability.
Not a clear cut as it seems.
March 27, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
So are you calling Andrew Sullivan at the Daily Dish a liar?
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/clinton-went-on.html
He found the audio?
MP3 file:
http://images.radcity.net/5155/2461772.mp3
March 27, 2008 2:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes! Every chance I get!
March 27, 2008 2:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
lol...
Just not this time - right... better luck next time...
March 27, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrew Sullivan is a liar. That's how he earns a living. He's admitted as much. When his (bare) back was against the wall.
And seriously, how honest can a Roman Catholic politically conservative gay man be?
March 28, 2008 2:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gee, that's the same exact audio file that was on WPAB, the station that recorded the interview an hour before Rush's show. Funny, Sullivan linked to a mirror instead of the actual source. At least Rushbo did that. Linked to. Nowhere does it say Clinton was on his show. Just that Davis talked to him. He did. For WPAB.
Did anyone listen to it? Does it sound like an interview Bill would do for a National audience?
No. It was a local interview about a local race. given to a local radio host. Did Bill know that Davis was going to cover for Rush an hour later? I doubt it, why would he?
Here's another clue. Audio archives are "pay to play" for Rush. It's possible Davis played clips of his interview on Rush's show, but as part of the show was on Obama, I'd bet he played clips from Obama speeches and interviews, too.
So shall we say Obama was "on" Rush's show, too?
Or would that be unfair and ridiculous? I'd say the latter.
March 27, 2008 7:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
#1. Is Hillary evil?
#2. Or is Hillary the most evil sentient being in the history of the known universe?
The Obama Fan Base is split, but leaning to #2.
Well done, all.
March 27, 2008 2:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who cares where Chelsea was!
And btw, anyone who uses the term "real New Yorker" is a schmuck.
March 27, 2008 2:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
The post misses the most interesting part of the story, that Hillary may have made this up to "one up" Chuck Schumer's true story. 'One upping' is a sign of a pathological liar. I'd guess that most people have had the experience of meeting someone like this at some point.
March 27, 2008 4:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dick Morris does qualify as one, for sure.
Garbage in, garbage out.
March 27, 2008 7:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Her problem isn't really that she "embellishes" on occasion -- all politicians do it, its a fact of life. They said the same thing about "Slick Willy", and he managed to get the presidency by "one-upping" poor square Bob Dole.
No the real issue here -- and I think its the point Josh Marshall makes as well -- is she is bad at it. She lies about stuff that is ridiculously easy to verify and debunk and her ensuing equivocation sucks as well, because she manages to only dig herself deeper into the lie.
And the kicker is: Its on completely trivial details that she COULD have told the truth about and it wouldn't have mattered. In that sense, yes, it seems almost pathological. Someone once said: If you going to lie, lie BIG. Like Iraqi WMD-big. Not about stuff that can be construed as "inventing the internet".
Its one thing to be a deft storyteller who crafts and flourishes a stirring tale. It can actually be inspiring and create an aura, like it did for Bill. Buts its another thing to be a ham-handed fibber which is what Hillary is turning out to be. It kind of insults the listener's intelligence.
March 27, 2008 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Chelsea was actually in Bosnia at the time, negotiating the Good Friday accords.
PS This is a stupid story.
March 27, 2008 8:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, now that this drivel has been thoroughly debunked, will Connie Manes retract and denounce this? And more importantly will 32 people recommend the retraction? No, of course not, the most important thing is to get the headline on the list, right?
Would would Senator Obama think of this kind of thing? You stand for "principals" but do not execute them.
March 27, 2008 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
workerbee:
Isn't the point of Clinton being on Mark Davis's show just more evidence that the Clinton's are eagerly embracing conservative media outlets?
Davis is a conservative talk show host, yes?
Hillary is sending out an Anti-Obama article from The American Spectator.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/obama_and_the_jews.php
Then, of course, there's the infamous Richard Mellon Scaife interview where she brings up Wright again (after being asked about it, of course).
There is a pattern here.
March 27, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought "anti-Obama" was banned.
You're whining about Hillary's honesty and yet you're going to accept Marc Ambinder's blog as vetted proof of a story about her? Do you have any evaluative skills at all?
"Infamous"? The interview isn't infamous, although Scaife himself might qualify as such in some circles.
You can find a "pattern" in anything. Especially if you're crazy.
The only relevant pattern here is the one of staggering stupidity.
Wow.
March 27, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's allright, I'll ignore the personal attacks.
But your attacks don't change my opinion: Hillary is a liar, and she'll lie again before this campaign is over.
I don't trust her, sorry.
March 27, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not trying to change your opinion about Hillary Clinton, SCMadden.
I want you to hate Clinton with every molecule of your being. I know you won't believe me, but I mean it.
It's your right and, apparently, your pleasure.
I don't expect you to care what I think, but I had the impression from other things you've said that you were better informed than how you presented yourself today. I guess I misread you previously, because you sound like a completely different person in this thread.
I should be used to it by now, but I still get shocked when TPM readers cite neocons, charlatans, gossip columnists, and heavy-duty right-wing Clinton Bashers like Dick Morris, William Safire, David Brooks (different thread), Maureen Dowd (different thread), and Andrew Sullivan. It totally floors me.
It's like you guys don't know the difference between schlock and legitimate criticism.
Yet you read Josh Marshall? That doesn't make sense.
Josh Marshall doesn't cite Dick Morris, William Safire, Maureen Dowd, etc. So why do Obama supporters cite them in the comment threads and diaries? I don't get it.
If you're going to attack Clinton with sources like Marc Ambinder's or Dick Morris's blog, go for it. It's not my problem who you hate or which neocon, has-been, or gossip you like to read.
You're right: I was harsh. I apologize, fwiw. You want to hate Clinton for talking to certain neocons and hard-core conservatives while reserving the right for yourself to cite the blogs of other conservatives? Hate away.
Good! Yep, I know! No need to apologize.
March 28, 2008 1:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
This was uncalled for. Seriously- parsing "infamous" and "Scaife?" Would you have liked "famous" and "Cookies" better?
March 27, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, I misspoke. See above.
March 28, 2008 2:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is so stupid its funny. There are that many posts on this? Sadr's army is coming out of hiding, Financial crisis hurting every american, New Orleans still being ignored, Nuclear fuses being "accidentall" shipped to Taiwan, And.....we are worried where chelsea was on 9/11? Jesus.
March 27, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
oh, NOW Hillary supporters want to get to the "issues."
I'll remember that next time one of you mentions Wright.
But, yeah, I find trustworthiness to be an important attribute for the President. I'm not sure this particular incident is evidence of Hillary "lying", but you don't need to dig too deep to find other examples.
March 27, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nobody brought up Wright but Wright. And I'd love to see Barry get back to debating her on issues. This thing has been going on for close to a year withouth it happening yet. I am sure he thinks he he "shuts her down" then he won't have to. Empty suit and...a wimp
March 27, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's bullshit and you know it.
The media brought up Wright, and now Hillary is pushing it.
How is that trying to get the campaign back to "issues"?
March 27, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you not on your meds? The videos were put out by the Church. Happy and proud of them. I would have suspected that most of the Obama supporters would have scooped them up.
She isn't pushing anything. She uttered a few words on the subject. Its as much poison for her as it is for him.
If he has the superior intellect and oratory skills why doesn't he just suggest a no holds debate? He seems to me the most frightened front runner I have ever witnessed.
March 27, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought it was Hillary who was avoiding the next debate...
Who's running scared and who's being realistic?
March 27, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sc, I think its well documented that he has tried to stay away from debates with Hills.
March 27, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Was it as important when you were fawning over Bill's Presidency?
March 27, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why do you think she went to talk to the Old Bastard? Do you think they do not hate him? If they can effectively defang the old fart then all the better for whoever wins the nomination. I am sure she had to shower afterwards.....wow what a sick dude he is.
March 27, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
But Hillary is the one that kept telling us during the debates that; "it is naive to try talking to our enemies", because they will never change. Looks like she is now trying to have it both ways, once again!
March 27, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Watch the beginning of the clip where Hillary said "but instead we just ran" Look at her facial expression and catch the entirely out of place giggle as she is describing what was supposed to be a life threating and harrowing moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc
I bet that giggle is a tell that can be detected when ever is she is in the midst of knowingly telling a big lie. Who would honestly giggle about such a serious incident if they were telling the truth!
March 27, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
There were two stories -- which was true? They had 6 days to talk to one another (Hillary and Chelsea) -- why was Hillary IMPLYING Chelsea was nearby the Towers?
Could it be she wanted SYMPATHY?
March 27, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Could it be you want some ATTENTION?
March 27, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Has Hillary told us where exactly Chelsey was at the moment that she voted for to let Bush get over Four Thousand Young Americans Blown to Smithereens In Their Stupid Iraq War.
Those people are just as dead as those who died on 9/11, the only difference being that Hillary played a big role in sending those Four Thousand Young People to their Doom, for a Stupid Reason.
March 27, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
This story wasn't even MINE to brag about so how you think I want ATTENTION is a bit silly and ignoring the simple fact -- Hillary LIED again.
You want another liar in the White House - vote Hillary.
March 27, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I stopped reading at "Dick Morris."
And I would like to add my names to the "Not Recommended!" faction.
March 27, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whether this story is true or not, Hillary's issues with creating fiction seems beyond dispute. The issue isn't this particular story but the overall pattern. Carl Bernstein's book on Hillary is very clear about this. Surely Bernstein is a respectable and trusted journalist.
March 27, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
He used to be. In the 1970s. When he was sober.
Nothing lasts forever.
March 27, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Character assassination. Low type of thinking.
March 27, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go ahead and Wiki him.
March 27, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Besides, character assassination is what this thread is all about. Hell, it's what TPM is all about.
March 27, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure donnerpass and Barry didn't say he was never in the congregation to hear Wrights' comments? Can you say DOUBLE STANDARD?
March 27, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have you read Bernstein's book?
March 27, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am a typical Clintonista...i can't read
March 27, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have you seen Bernstein on CNN? He's slightly more together than McCain.
March 27, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like Bernstein. He's been on Hillary the whole time. Hell he comments about everybod