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This Just In: NCAA Declares Winners of First Round Games that Were Essentially Tied

After due consideration and deliberation, the referees for the following 2008 NCAA first round games have determined that the following games were "essentially tied." Because these games were tied, the officials have exercised their discretion and decided that the teams that nominally "lost" these games, which were actually tied, were, in fact the stronger team and should have advanced to the next round.

Duke 71, Belmont 70
The officials believe overturning this result is justified by the fact that the Duke players had higher GPA's than the Belmont players, due to elitist recruiting practices at Duke, and that the fans of Belmont are thus more in line with the demographic profile of the NCAA fan base as it existed as recently as 1992.
 
Drake 99, WKU 101 T
he officials determined that Drake deserved to advance over Western Kentucky because it is a private school and, thus, may have more affluent doners than Western Kentucky.

Conn 69, U San Diego 70
Connecticut has been chose to advance over San Diego because more people in Connecticut have heard of it.

BYU 62, Texas A&M 67
BYU has been chosen to advance from this essentially tied game because it was, in fact, tied at the half and TAM was unfairly advantaged by its stronger support from African Americans.

Marquette 74, Kentucky 66
Based upon a recalculation of the score that included shots sunk by the teams during the pre-game warm-up, the officials have determined that the Wildcats were, in fact, the winners of this game. The officials have given due consideration to Marquette's contention that NCAA rules provide that the only shots that count are those made during the game, and that both sides had agreed to abide by these rules, but, in light of changed circumstances, the NCAA has decided to ignore them.

Miss St. 76, Ore. 69
The officials have determined that since this game was essentially tied, and because Mississippi State unfairly rallied from a 13 point deficit to win the game by seven points, the win should have been awarded to Oregon.
 
Davidson 82, Gonzaga 76
The officials have awarded Gonzaga bonus points over Davidson because it had a higher starting seed, is better known and bigger. The latter point is particularly important because Davidson, being a smaller school than many of the other teams in the NCAA, does not count. The NCAA is confident that this is the right choice as it does not feel that, based on its initial seed, Davidson can possibly overcome the array of much higher ranked teams it would have to face in later games and does not believe its actual subsequent success against those higher ranked teams is any indicator of its inherent strength. Instead, it is believed that these wins are the result of a deluded fan base that will evaporate and defect to the other side if Davidson makes it to the finals.

The NCAA is confident that the delay caused by replaying the second and third round games as a result of these rulings will not unduly lengthen the tournement, undermine fan enthusiam or engender any problems with its television contract and revenue stream. The NCAA rejects and denounces all who say the officials have compromised their own credibility and likewise rejects the contention that the integrity of the tournement process has been undermined by these rulings. The NCAA is acting in the best interest of all concerned. The NCAA is absolutely certain that the fans and alumni of Duke, WKU, San Diego, Texas A&M, Marquette, Mississippi State, and Davidson will quickly get over any temporary ill will and will rally to the support of the teams who have now won their games in light of the fact that those games were, after all, essentially tied.


Comments (32)

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Nice (I especially liked Marquette/Kentucky). May I add that if the tournament drags on until July and August it will only strengthen the teams and the players who will have to face the likes of Lithuania and Finland in the World Basketball Classic come November.

Awesome analogy.

HRC: Don't go away mad; just go away!!

Simply brilliant! First post I've read by NCSteve but my ultracool daughter says he's the best. Laughed myself silly.

I don't even follow college basketball, but this math makes sense!

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This is really good. I take it we're not on the same side, but no matter. Really, really funny.

I loved Gonzaga/Davidson.

I think the championship will eventually be determined by the super alumni.

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Don't you mean AUTOMATIC-alumni?

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This is really good. I take it we're not on the same side, but no matter. Really, really funny.

(Have I sent this twice? Got distracted, so not sure - sorry if I did).

That's alright, do-overs are sometimes necessary!

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You are killing me, man!

On the Hillary offer for Obama to be vice president, I have often compared that to the New England Patriots offering to "share" the Super Bowl trophy with the Giants. As the Giants would say "Uh, no thanks. I think we can handle it."

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Are all you Obama supporters willing to admit that we've only finished the third quarter (or to use the college equivalent, there are still 10 minutes to go in the second half)?

The correct metaphor is that Obama has about a 10 point lead with a quarter to go. Most Clinton supporters, including one Josh referenced today and myself, are willing to stipulate, literally in the full legal sense, that if Obama maintains his pledged delegate and popular vote lead, he should be the nominee. Additionally, all real Democrats should enthusiastically support him.

What irritates us are the calls to stop the game in the middle of the second half. If Clinton was ahead by a similar margin and a number of states he felt he had a good chance to win were still on the horizon, you would be pissed off too by know nothings calling for him to withdraw.

At some point in a basketball game a team down by 10 points or so will acknowledge defeat and stop fouling. If Obama wins North Carolina and Indiana and loses by a small margin in Pennsylvania, Super Delegates will overwhelmingly flock to Obama, it'll be over. Comment on my post about who he should pick for Vice President.

Sigh.

As long as you are willing to accept that proportional delegate allotment means that every time hillary wins, Obama wins. I mean, she cleaned UP in Ohio but only netted like 9 delegates. 9. She one 55/45. She's poised to win PA by a greater margin, but not much greater. She'll net at most 20 delegates there.

At some point we need to stop suspention of disbelief. This is like counting votes on election night. If you are down by so much that all remaining counties need to tilt in your favor by 100%, then you should probably admit that it isn't going to happen, even if less than half of the votes have been counted.

The reason so many people have been calling for it to end is that clinton needed to net more than 7 delegates from Ohio/Texas/Rhode Island/Vermont. She needed to grab like 40. This was known in February, when Obama won states like WI and VA with alarming margins. This narrative wasn't picked up by the MSM until well after the 4th of march because clinton kept talking about Texas and Ohio. But it doesn't change the realities of it. Those 10 states/territories will 'have their voices heard' just like they do every primary (they still get to vote even though a presumptive nominee has been chosen) but it won't matter. It doesn't matter now.

Again, for clinton to win she needs to pull 60/40 in almost all remaining contests AND seat MI (without Obama getting delegates) and FL. OR she needs to win the rest of the contests and convince the superdelegates to overturn his narrow lead. Or he needs to drop out. those--or some mish-mash of them--are the scenarios. If you call that 'ending it at the second half', then you don't/don't want to get it.

82.5% vote counted already means there are 7 minutes left in the 40 minute game.
She isn't going to get 60/40 in many, if any, states. Averaging 55/45 would be much better than expected. And that would gain 56 delegates. That would leave her down by 100 voter delegates at the end of the game.

7 minutes left, Obama by 10, but one Clinton player fouled out, two more playing with four, and team Obama has a deeper bench, therefore fresher legs. Also, they run a good stall, and shoot better threes. And they have the ball with a fresh shot clock, so they can run it down under 6 1/2 minutes doing nothing. And team Clinton is out of timeouts (they don't get to stop the clock or speed up the pace of te game).

Also, they run a good stall, and shoot better threes.

That's no lie:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z1kuj9yeg1o

Michigan 72, Xavier 62

Xavier was awarded the win in this tie after they pointed out that if you took out free throws, they would have been ahead, and free throws are undemocratic.

Carolina 65, Washington State 62
Washington State was chosen to advance because their two starting forwards fouled out in the third period, and when they were taken out of the game, it really really hurt their feelings. Further, Carolina was seen to have been terribly insensitive by refusing when Washington State offered to pay for new players.

Stanford 84, Pitt 64
Pitt was able to make a better case to the officials after this essential tie by arguing they would have won, if only they had scored more points.

I'm glad to see that the NCAA hasn't given in to the deplorable ideological ramblings of the Mathinistas. 2 + 2 = 4? Every time, Mathinistas? In all circumstances?

Sounds like dogma to me. Don't fall for it.

Leroy, the problem is, we've finished up the third quarter and Obama is ten points ahead, but all the guys on the other team have broken legs and aren't going to score any more points. Plus, there's some big dudes out back with lead pipes and they want to talk to us, and, well, we have to finish out this game with the guys with the broken legs, but stepping over their bodies while we run back and forth down the court is going to get tiring, and we'd really like to go after the dudes with the lead pipes with as much energy as possible--especially because the guys with the broken legs want to beat the guys with the lead pipes as much as we do, except for their captain who keeps rambling on about their experience and ability to answer the phone.

Sure, Team C is down by 10 with seven minutes to go, but keep in mind that players who've suited up for Team O are free at any time, according to their individual conscience, to run the other way down the court and score against their own team.

And I think we can safely say that we're about as likely to see that in this primary as we are to see it in the NCAA.

Scott on my 5th grade Basketball team, scored his only 2 points of the season, on a very nice breakaway layup off the tipoff. It turned out to be the margin of defeat, and he is still trying to live it down.

This may be the best thread I've seen in a long time ;-)

I have a little experience of own-goals myself (including at least one in which I was the culprit). But they weren't usually a key part of the other team's strategy ;)

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As is pointed out elsewhere, the clock isn't finished ticking.

This situation is more akin to 7 minutes left in the game and the armchair coaches demanding one of the teams forfeit.

playing out the last 7 minutes has nothing to do with it. Its the pushing, shoving, flying elbows, and screaming at the refs. I see the coach has a folding chair and looks like he's about to go WWF.

When the fans start throwing things, they will call the game. It happened a couple years ago in a Pistons/Pacers game that was a real boon for the NBA (I know fans who will never bring a child to a game ever again). Such a game would be a real boon for the dem party too.

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Watched a couple of NCAA games yesterday and they did the craziest thing I've ever seen...they played the entire game. Can you imagine?

Don't know for sure, but my guess is that Tanya Harding wasn't playing in any of the games you watched.

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OJ wasn't playing in the games either.

they did the craziest thing I've ever seen...they played the entire game

Yep, just like all the primaries will still be run...I love how Clinton and Clinton supporters keep implying that Obama and Obama supporters are advocating that people will not be able to vote.

It's utter b.s., but they keep saying it. Can you imagine?

The teams in this nomination process are backed by millions of fans who vote. Go ahead, ignore them. See where it gets you!

Go ahead, ignore them. See where it gets you!

Yes, indeed. Ignoring all those voters in all those states that "don't matter", according to Clinton calculus, seems like a really stupid thing to do.

*sigh*
Neither candidate can win enough delegates to cinch to nomination.
It's going to the floor unless something big happens.

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