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Tattooed White Trash For Obama - Rejecting Ferraro

I am a southern white working-class man. I am an Obama supporter since before he announced. I wanted him to run because I think he is the greatest orator of his generation and has the potential to be a great president. Many of the other candidates would have made good presidents but he has the potential to be great.

I have said in posts and comments on this site many times that I would vote for Clinton in the fall if she were to get the nomination even though I understand those who would not. The reason I was willing to hold my nose and vote for her was the Supreme Court . But no more. In the words of another poster, "There is some shit I will not eat."

The Clinton campaign's response to the obvious race baiting by Ms Ferraro is completely unacceptable. This kind of blatant racial politics will if allowed to go on set back relations between the races more than anything in recent years. The gains made in this struggle are to hard won to let political gamesmanship tear them down. It is the kind of statement that is both offensive and false on the face of it. The kind of statement that I would be embarrassed to hear from a drunk old man if no one else could hear. But to hear a political leader not only say it in the heat of the moment, but then defend it after time for reflection is beyond embarrassing. It is frightening. It says that she believes there are votes to be gained by tearing communities and families apart and that it is acceptable to gain them that way. I cannot vote for anyone whose moral compass allows them to profit from this kind of behavior.


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That's what has me shaking my head.

Does she not know that she is rejecting a vital section of the Democratic Coalition for a HOPE of a short term gain?

She and her campaign have tried every way to marginalize him as a Black Candidate. Do they really think they can stuff this bigoted genie back in the bottle?

I, too, can't vote for her in the GE. I will never reward this type behavior.

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Hillary knows what she is doing. She is consciously rejecting Obama's voters. She is just trying to ensure that McCain will win in November. Believe me, she knows damn well that she won't be the nominee. She is just trying to make sure that he loses...

"Tearing communities and families apart?"

Really?

Hypersensitivity run amock.

I live 5 miles from the mississippi state line now and have lived in several towns in that state in the past. It is not an exageration to say that this kind of racist talk will empower people to publicly voice beliefs that they have felt forced to hide. This is a part of the country where it has only recently become safe in larger cities for a mixed race couple to walk together, and it still is not in smaller communities. In The Delta, from Memphis to The Gulf the people who killed Emmit Till and the ones who Aquited the killers are still voting and need little encouragement to go back to their old ways.

Wow. And I sometimes feel sorry for myself because I live in Texas. At least it's Austin...

My hat's off to you, sir.

Yes, really.

Unfortunate, and sad, but most definitely real.

It is possible you may be one of the Collaborators who categorically deny that Ferraro's comments were racist in any way. If so, you will do yourself service to save your eye strength and stop reading my comments at the end of this sentence, because you will not in any way see some truth in my point. :)

History is full of examples of racism which has and (sadly) still does tear apart communities and even families. Would it be ridiculous to claim Ferraro's comments are on the order of the Holocaust, Civil War or Darfur? Of course.

However, it would also be silly to claim her comments fell in a vacuum, and did no harm. I have personally already experienced some problems as their direct result.

Was it hypersensitive that Hillary was upset being called a "monster"?

Yes.

And Obama was wrong to lose a staffer over it.

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Methinks she doth protest too much...

The Clinton campaign at large doesn't seem to mind calling the electorate stupid when they don't vote for her. There are a lot of people, even die-hard Dems, that will not vote for her in the fall now. She can't win the GE.

She'll never get a chance to run in the GE. If her strategy was to divide and come back to conquer in 2012, I think she is grossly underestimating people's outrage at her tactics. She may still have a career representing New York. She is finished on the national stage.

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Thanks Tattoed Guy! I'm not sure what demographic I fit into, as a white middled-aged grandma who earned her college degree while being single mom, and found a career in a male-dominated arena. Now I drink lattes and live in the non-president-needing-boutique state of Oregon.

Well, yeah, the "tearing communities and families apart" statement is a bit of "mellerdramer" as an old teacher used to say, but otherwise your post reflects my own outrage at the Clinton/Williams/Ferraro triumvirate. Obviously being a vindictive bully is an equal-opportunity affliction. The tortured and intellectually dishonest rationales and explanations for everything from the Michigan/Florida delegate votes, to the strange juxtaposition of the laundry list of Obama's defects vs. the hint of him as her running mate just baffles me. Clinton is badly overplaying her hand, and whether she is truly so clueless that she doesn't see how she's coming across to many of us, or whether she DOES know and thinks it will serve her well in some way -- the only explanation I'm left with is that she truly thrives on chaos and conflict. A continuation of that particular brand of "mellerdramer" is not what I'm looking for in my next president.

I will be voting for Obama and if need be, will write in his name in the General.

The Obama write-in is my plan too if Hill pulls off a grand theft in Denver. The 2012 strategy can work both ways. I'll happily watch Mrs. Clinton crash and burn in November and start working for Obama 2012 the next day.

Thank you for the Obama write in idea. That is the course to take if she manages to steal this nomination.

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A wonderful post! As a N.C. native transplanted to PA, as well as a white ObamaGranmama (65), I am living proof that Senator Obama's message shatters the demographic labels assigned by so-called "experts." The racism stemming from the lack of education and multicultural experience and financial resources I know can be changed; however, educated bigots of financial means described in Ferraro's old NY district and the unconscionable willingness to exploit them demonstrated by the Clinton campaign leaves me also writing in Obama if such tactics are successful.

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I probably turned in my redneck card when I moved from Wisconsin to Brooklyn, but I spent some formative years in a trailer park in an Archie Bunker town, and you're absolutely right. This ain't even dog-whistle crap. Trying to look on the bright side, Clinton's bid for the nomination is still a goner, and the racial shit-storm she's stirring up was coming from the GOP anyways. Maybe good old Geraldine Ferrarrokhan will innoculate Obama a bit for the slime of the general. But he's got to walk that fine line of responding forcefully without scaring the ever-delicate sensibilities of whitey.

so, where are the party leaders? Someone needs to sit Ferraro down.

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so, where are the party leaders? Someone needs to sit Ferraro down.

Amen.... Gore, Edwards, Carter, Pat Shroeder (who has no particular affection for Ferraro), Biden, Richardson: Time to speak up. I'm not saying endorse Obama, necessarily, but you need to speak out publicly about the Clinton campaign's scorched earth tactics. She's sure as hell not listening to sizeable (and fatal) chunk of the party she's pissing off.

The race war hasn't begun; wait until the General Election as whites over 45, Hispanics over 30 run to McCain if "greatest orator of his generation" & the man with "potential to be a great president" is the Democratic nominee.

McGovern rewound... just 2008. Come November, Obama will be another in a series of loser Democratic candidates.

There is a difference between oratory (to include reading from a teleprompter) and potential. For Obama it is acting ability and being able to speak the English language. Our current President seems to have a problem with the English language and grammar.

However, the empty suit is going to have to deal with a bit more than the softballs thrown by socailist MSNBC, HuffPost, TPM, KOS, and others leftist outlets. The best is yet to come and it will be beautifully ugly and nasty.

Marge,

Why do you spend so much effort and time on these threads? Surely you understand your comments won't change any minds.

What gives? You a troll just killing time?

Trolls are as trolls do.

Jordan,

Some people have minds, others ...

Others...are you, and a few not named here.

Begone!

And Hillary, beloved by all those red eating Republicans is a sure thing because....?

Remember the case known as Bakke? Angry white men? “Special rights”? I can’t figure out quite how to counter it, but there is something really squishy about the logic of “lucky to be minority”. It’s suspiciously convenient when people one might assume were social conservatives espouse colorblind policies. When the same type of person then disparages a minority as having received special advantages it only shows how ignorant they are.

Gerry Ferraro is well described as Archie Bunker’s Congresswoman. She lacks his uneducated accent, but not his political clumsiness. To then complain about being attacked because you are white is even more juicy. We should not be very surprised Ferraro thinks this way, but can Senator Clinton rise above winning at all costs to instruct her friends, publicly, nationally, that race will just plain never be mentioned?

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There was a frightening post on DailyKos today, that shows she can lose as much as 41% of the black vote and still win in November. This is the calculation. The amoral, mean-spirited, monstrous calculation.

I posted a Comment, asking the poster to do a calculation of what would happen to the angry old white woman vote if Obama wins the nomination. Now understand, I'm a 57 year old white woman. And I'm angry, alright. Just not in the way HIllary wants me to be.

Am I the only one who sees 25% of the electorate of angry old white women who will support her, no matter what? Doesn't this sound like the wingnuts who think George Bush is a great president? God.

I'm assuming this is the calculation of the party as well, because where is Al Gore, Bill Richardson and John Edwards showing any leadership here? I've given up hope for Pelosi, Reid or Dean. But St. John and St. Al? Good God.

If she is rewarded with the nomination with this despicable behavior, I am now clear in what I'll do. I was willing to vote for her for the Supreme Court. But she has shown no honor, no decency. And I'm done.

John McCain has more honor than she does. I will write in Barack Obama, if I have to. But nothing -- and I mean nothing -- could entice me to support the Clintons ever again.

If that happens we angry old white women need to organize civil rights marches!

And yes, write in Barack!

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John McCain has more honor than she does. I will write in Barack Obama, if I have to. But nothing -- and I mean nothing -- could entice me to support the Clintons ever again.>

Absolutely right. I also was going to vote for her for the sake of the SCT, but I will not do it now. I like McCain but can't vote for him because of the SCT, so writing in Obama is the only option.

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Rejecting Ferraro is not good enough.


You must denounce AND reject Ferraro.

Larry, as someone who made an attempt here recently to remind Democrats of the importance of the Supreme Court in November, I'm becoming really, really sympathetic to the view that it may be best to make a principled stand should HRC get the nomination. The day-by-day scorched earth campaigning is just abhorrent and I have to admit that the idea of writing-in Obama in November is especially appealing. For me, I'll hang in a while longer, and see if I can maintain my Democrat-first perspective through the convention. But it's hard to imagine HRC can walk away with the nomination without continuing to pursue the underhanded tactics, looking the other way while her surrogates make bigoted remarks, and without gaming the delegates to steal the nomination. If nothing else, it's that last concern -- gaming the delegates -- that would move me into the camp now mobilizing to resist HRC in the fall.

I've never been inclined to be judgmental of those who have developed an irreversible animus for HRC of late, but I'm identifying with them more and more as this campaign moves along.

I find her mealy mouthed response to this biggoted race baiting much more offensive than trying to gamy the system and get the super delegates to anoint her. She has been doing that for a while now and I was still ready to hold my nose and vote for her. It was trying to win the racist peckerwood vote that drove me irrevicably away. Ther eis no way she will get my vote now and I will contribute to the campaign of any who wish to opose her in a primary for her senate seat as well.

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I'm with you Larry.

We have to say enough. I used to be against Hillary because she couldn't win in November. Now I think she might be able to--but I wouldn't want her to. If she somehow gets a delegate and popular vote lead through a blowout victory in Pennsylvania and real surprises in North Carolina and Oregon, I guess I might hold my nose and vote for her. But if she steals the nomination with superdelegates and manipulation--I'll be one of the millions writing in Obama. Good on you!

I am a political junkie of old and this primary season, I've astonished myself by how little I am interested in political gamesmanship. I guess it's a d'oh sort of moment, but you know what, this is not a game. This is our country and our future. Maybe we shouldn't play fast and loose with it, huh?

Anyway, good for you! This is what needs to happen in our country and what O has inspired us to do: to stand up for what we believe is right and what we believe will move the country forward.

thanks for reminding us that all southern white men are not racist. i know a few very fine white southern men who support obama, and aren't going to be swayed by race baiting.

the behavior of the hillary campaign on this issue is appalling and one of the concerns i had about her candidacy; it seems she will do anything if it's politically expedient at the time.

Can I just say to everyone who had been planning on voting HRC if she were nominated only because of the Supreme Court and is now unable to do it:

Think again. It's what I'm trying to do. I harbor as much outrage at her campaign's filthy tactics as you could possibly imagine. Even if you had a really long time to imagine it in.

But: Roe v. Wade. Campaign finance reform. Affirmative action in school admissions (what's left of it). Separation of church and state. Gay rights, disability rights, voting rights.

It's really hard for me to imagine filling in a ballot for this person in the fall, but if it comes to that I'm going to try really hard to do it, because despite its recent disastrous veer to the right, its judicial inconsistencies in the service of GOP talking points, and its dishonesty about the precedents it's tearing down, the Supreme Court heads up the branch of government I have the most faith in.

I'm fervently hoping that Obama will restore the dignity of the presidency as a position of ethical leadership and not just canny maneuvering. But say Clinton somehow finagles the nomination. Stevens, Souter and Ginsburg, three of the four liberal justices, are likely to retire in the next term or two. If Hillary Clinton is president, we maintain our minority and rely on Kennedy to mitigate against the worst tendencies of the Roberts court. If John McCain is president, we get a politicized, judicially radical, politically reactionary court lasting well into this century.

It's worth holding your nose for.

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At some point you have to have some principles, don't you? If I wanted someone with Hillary's record, and who was willing to do whatever it takes to win the election, consequences be damned, I would've voted in the Republican primary. Would you also have us vote for a Miller/Lieberman ticket, just because they were both wearing their "I'm REALLY a Democrat!" buttons? No thanks, I'd rather follow the remedy that has already laid out for us in The Declaration of Independence. As Thomas Paine said, let it happen in my time, so that my children may know peace.

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Larry - thanks for underscoring the seriousness of these statements. To any who consider the resurrected specter of racist bigotry tearing apart families to be melodrama or overly sensitive, I have to ask your origins.

Having grown up in small-town (very small) west Louisiana near more than one KKK hotbed, I'm here to tell you that it's not overstatement.

And for that matter, while Ferraro might not have a clear concept of what that kind of talk triggers in some parts of the country, I find it very hard indeed to cut Hillary Clinton any slack when she gives such a tepid and limited disavowal.

Hillary spent a good long time in Arkansas. She should know better.

My only issue with your posting, Larry, is that you demonstrate that you're no kind of trash. You, sir, are a tattooed white southern country gentleman of the finest order.

I raise my tumbler of bourbon to you.

Thank you sir.

This tattooed white trash yankee bitch agrees whole-heartedly with you!

I am so sick of the slimy hateful politics of division. Geraldine Ferraro should be ashamed of herself, but she isn't - that's why she's working for Sen. Clinton's campaign, they have no shame. They will do whatever it takes to achieve power, and her inner-Republican is telling her that she must destroy the party to save the party.

If Sen. Clinton manages to get the Democratic nomination she will probably choose Evan Bayh (DINO - In.) as her running mate and I will be forced to change my party affiliation and write-in Bill Moyers and Molly Ivins.

I also agree with cole_dranx, you are a tattooed white southern country gentleman of the finest order.

Larry - I grew up in Cincinnati, Ohio and I heard the dog whistle as soon as the Clinton's started blowing it in South Carolina. I was absolutely SHOCKED and appalled that they would stoop to using the Karl Rove play book against a fellow Democrat.

You are 100% on target about this giving a certain segment of the population the permission they are looking for to bring their racist ways back out in public. Clinton's tactic's worked in Ohio and they are working in PA. They will work in FLA, too. She is appealing to the worst elements in society, not to mention she has Rush Limbaugh's help. How the hell can she sleep at night?

If she get's the nomination, I will not vote. And almost everyone I know in the D.C. area feels the same way - we are just disgusted and DO NOT want to be a part of this in any way.

And, for the record, I'm a 51 year old white female!

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can i make a suggestion to you fine people? i'm definitely a foreigner, and this might be considered agitating, so be forewarned.
how bout t-shirts? a stylized ballot, white circle, square black background, 'obama' written raggedly across it? sell them to the rappers
first then everybody else. have it come from there.
tell the superdelegates how many votes they'll lose.

I'm white, from a conservative Republican family, grew up on a farm in rural Michigan, love old-time country (not the crap that started hitting the charts in the '70s) and punk rock. I'm for Obama, also. (Some would point out that I'm also college-educated, but I'm not anywhere near well-off and I don't sip lattes.)

I'm just barely hanging on, by my ravaged fingernails, to the feeling that if Clinton got the nomination, I'd better vote for her. Supreme court, wanting to end the Republican White House, all that. Just barely hanging on. I'm 90% sure that the math is on Obama's side, so I won't have to face that moment of decision.

In December I got into an argument with a friend on how, he thought, there was no difference between Clinton and Giuliani (remember when it was assumed he'd be the opponent?). He would skip the vote if it came down to that, and I argued, no, Supreme court and all that.

Now I really wonder about her. It's not accurate to say that she's exactly like any Republican, but she is doing their dirty work by wrecking the party and shitting on the chances to win in November.

Sure, but the Supreme Court has a much better history of supporting my principles than the Executive does. This isn't a knee-jerk "a Democrat is always better than a Republican" opinion; I don't think that's true. But McCain, just like Bush, will have to prove his conservative "good faith" by appointing ultra-conservative justices, since he's not going to spend time fighting for socially conservative issues. In a Clinton/McCain matchup, nothing is at stake for me as regards the candidates. The one thing that would seem worth a "principled stand" to me in that case is an effort to prevent long-lasting damage to our Constitutional rights. I don't consider that unprincipled.

Yours is a principaled stand. I agreed with it untill this praising-racism-with-faint-hearted-condemnation incident. I just cannot vote for her. Reasonable people can disagree.

This was supposed to be a reply to Cid, but it didn't post that way.

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Larry,

I spent a decade living in a 'liberal' part of KY (where they filled in the swimmin pool when segregation hit). I heard the 'dog whistle' blown as early as SC and I, too, am appalled by this crap.

Senator Obama is not the perfect candidate, but he represents a way forward and a way out of the current nonsense in DC. To my eyes, he seems the only peaceful and legal way towards change.

To those who are holding on to Senator Clinton for Supreme Court issue, I must respectfully disagree. I would be more than surprized to see her nominate qualified people who hold views as liberal as the retiring justices, let alone try to swing the court to the 'left'.

This is a former Goldwater Republican and former president of the Young Republicans at Wellesley who served as counsel to some of the largest companies in Arkansas (Wal-mart and Tyson, to name two). She has been a long-time member of 'the Foundation', the influencial and secretive Christian organization in Washington who's public members are mostly Republicans.

I find it unlikely that, given the nearly unfettered power of the Unified Executive model, that she would nominate justices which believe in curtailing that power.

I could be wrong, but I hope that the question is academic.

"I hope that the question is academic."

The only thing really worth hoping for here.

I think you're right about Clinton's probable appointment tendencies; I wouldn't expect her to appoint a Ginsburg (could there BE another Ginsburg?) in a million years. But I live in fear of the Thomases and Scalias and Alitos and especially the Robertses that McCain would come up with. The best we'd get from her is a course correction instead of continuing the sharp right turn...a leftward swing is out of the question, since there aren't likely to be replacements for any conservative or even swing votes. If Clinton gets the nomination, damage control is the best possible outcome.

So I'm going to go donate again and resume thinking preventatively instead of apocalyptically. I appreciate this post, Larry. It echoes a lot of my own feelings, and my responses are my own effort to talk myself into thinking of my vote as having SOME use if worse comes to worst.

Hillary DOES in fact know what she is doing...

Knowing that she cannot win mathematically, she is positioning herself for 2012 since McCain at 71 or whatever his age is, will be a one term president. Coupled with Michelle Obama's statement that this is the only time that Barack will run, Hillary does not want to wait for 8 years of an Obama presidency which will make her too old and politically damaged from working against his administration.

With her win at all cost strategy fails to see is that as a one term president, McCain will pretty much do what he wants and extend GW Bush policies only more hawkish than Bush himself, putting the country in three times as bad a position as it is today and maybe start WWIII by militarily engaging Iran as Bush wants to do.

This means that we could be looking at another 12 years of a Republican in the Oval Office.

"HILLARY IS A FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE YOUNG REPUBLICANS AT WELLESLEY"


While blog comments are becoming more and more vitriol. I am glad I keep reading as I continue to learn more adn more...

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