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So it comes down to character after all.
This morning on Morning Edition, they interviewed Hillary, and then a bit later played tape of Barack, and the contrast could not have been clearer.
Clinton was asked whether she really thought it would be fair to count the vote in Michigan, given that Obama's name didn't even appear on the ballot. She gave a convoluted explanation of how the DNC didn't really ask people to take their names off the ballot, and how it was all perfectly fair; tortured logic, rationalizations, and spin that honestly (not to call names) reminded me of Bush and WMDs.
A bit later, they played tape of Barack being asked if he thought Ferraro's remarks were racist. He gave a mature, level-headed response-- no spin-- "I don't think she meant to be racist, I don't like to throw that word around; but I don't think most Americans believe it is an advantage to run for president as an African-American named Barack Obama" or words to that effect.
That really said it all for me. He's had the kitchen sink thrown at him, he's endured a lot of serious ugliness; and yet he is mature, keeps a sense of perspective, doesn't either blame others or play victim; just states the facts as he sees them, quite powerfully. Whereas when she has a setback in her inevitable path to the nomination, and she starts getting ugly, nasty, dirty, and spinning like a top.
I don't know honestly know where I rank character in my list of qualifications for president, but given that these two have very few policy differences (I agree with her on health care, and him on the war), this character difference this morning felt pretty definitive to me. I want a mature, responsible adult in the White House. I'm sick to death of weasling, twisting, rationalizing, and excessive spin.
Everytime I think, well, maybe Clinton wouldn't be so bad after all, she does something totally over the top like claim she can win a race when the other person wasn't even on the ballot.
Ferraro makes me sad; I remember being at a rally for her in 1984 and surprising myself by being close to tears because I was so moved by the idea of a woman as VP.
But this year, without doubt, I'm a 55 year old white feminist. For Obama.













Comments (60)
I signed up specifically to say - I agree with you. That's where I see a huge difference. If Obama weren't in this, I don't know if we would have seen her true character.
March 13, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
It must be very painful for you to hear Ferraro say that you were taken in by a sham nomination -- that she was only picked as a token woman. You close to tears and all at a political stunt. But you're much wiser now apparently.
March 13, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bet that felt good, eh?
March 13, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary and Geraldine have exposed their smarmy souls.
March 13, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
>>> don't know honestly know where I rank character in my list of qualifications for president,
Put it at the top -- always!! As I've mentioned before, I work with a lot of high-up Republicans, and I was working with them in 2000 when they were so excited about GWB (and contributing enough that they got invited to the innauguration!). They were getting pretty quiet by 2004 even and didn't particulary rejoice in his re-election and in recent years it's been deadly silent. But in talking about the group of candidates for both parties earlier this year, one of them said that his dad had always told him that, whenever making a choice about people, always opt for the one with principles and decent, good character - that you may have to take some things along with whoever that is but in the long run it's always the best decision. .... I guess I was feeling spunky that day or something, because I said "Are you telling me that you now wish you had applied your father's advice, even if it would have meant that you voted for Gore or Kerry?" -- Long, painful pause (while, I'm sure, the devestation and embarassment of the last 7+ years was reviewed), and he said "Yes - yes, I should have. I didn't know at the time how bad he would be but, yes, I did know that they were better in that regard."
You might as well look to character first of all .... because the person without it will simply lie, easily, so how can you count on anything they say about issues or intentions?
And (little secret that HRC doesn't want to admit), if/when that 3 a.m. phone rings, it's going to be *character,* not experience or credentials or goals, that determines the response. Actually, that hypothetical phone call has always been my own personal test of who to vote for. Because I figure that if you wake someone up out of a dead sleep and give them the most awful news, that -- not years of experience or numbers of committee hearings is going to bey the main thing that matters ... what are they like, way down deep, when given no time to calculate, or take polls, and with no one watching or giving advice?
The first election I was old enough to think about (although not vote in) was Kennedy/Nixon ... even for someone young (perhaps especially to someone young), it took about 5 seconds to know which one had a more solid core and would react with instinctive good sense and balance.
March 13, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for that excelent argument Elizabeth2.
March 13, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly! Well said.
March 14, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's 3 am and your children are asleep.
But there's a red phone in your bedroom and it's ringing. It's BRINK Security to inform you that your house is being robbed.
You:
(a) Call the robbers and tell them you talk to both friends and enemies. Then follow your judgement and negotiate. Your were against robbing from the beginning. They leave with your money, jewelery, car and stereo. They don't say thank you.
(b) Ensure kids are unharmed. Call the police. Flip the outdoor light switch. Let the dog out. Take the gun and get ready to fight for your family.
Morals: you should have passed the judgement wayyyy earlier, during the day. When the phone rings at 3 am, it's time to action.
March 13, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do think the 3am scenario is an important one, however I think your analogy is slightly askew.
Here's the real difference between the two candidates:
It's 3am and someone is trying to break into your house, what do you do.
Obama: He had the judgment to get a home security system back in 2002, which immediately alerts law enforcement and handles the situation. The crisis averted. Meanwhile, he makes sure to protect his family's safety and attends to their well-being amidst a stressful time.
Clinton: blindly follows along with the George W. Bush Gunslinger playbook to crisis management and "takes out the gun." She finally acts decisively at 3am and ends up accidentally shooting Chelsea as she came home late for a surprise visit.
Moral: sound judgment can avert potentially disastrous situations long before they happen.
March 13, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
You beat me to the send button.
March 13, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, nice take on Chelsea. But you are ignoring my main point. If the phone rings at 3 am, you gotta take action. I know the talking points about Clinton on Iraq, and I don't buy them at all.
March 13, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very true Lalo. I know when I get a phone call at 3am I ALWAYS overreact.
March 13, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have to take the right action. If the phone rings you don't shoot the neighbors dog and ignore the robber.
March 13, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't get how talking to the robbers is going to get you robbed...at least not when you make this leap of comparison to America and negotiating with foreign countries. First of all, I don't see how having a chat with Raul Castro is going to rob America of house and home. With the noted exception of Iran, I believe few countries we don't get along with are legitimate threats, and so this little burglar analogy is morally deceptive. But, here's what I think is a more apt depiction:
It's 3am, robbers are on their way to your house. Both Obama and Hillary get the gun. Obama keeps alert with his finger on the trigger, when the robber comes in, there's a tense stare-down, but ultimately he lets the thief go. Why? Because this big bad thief turned out to be just some desperate kid, and blood isn't worth spilling.
Hillary grabs the gun, and the moment the door is opened she fires six panicked rounds into her shadowy assailant. Blood and viscera are flung about the living room. When she turns on the light, she turns out that it was just some teenager. Down on his luck, but hardly a threat. Now she has the blood of a relative innocent on her hand. The kid's parents find out and resent her for it, the newspapers get ahold of the story and vet her about it, even her neighbors feel at odds about her.
That's the difference between cool judgment and snap-action.
March 14, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
HRC follows the fuehrerprinzip... never, never, never question "authority" .....
March 14, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
In your hypothetical there is only one problem, there is no way brinks can inform you that you are being robbed. They can only inform you that the alarm has been set off which you new 2 min. ago when it went off. When it did go off do you:
1. Assume that you are being robbbed and go looking for someone to shoot.
2. Aknowlege that you are working with limmeted information and try to figure out who is who and what they are doing while being prepared to defend yourself should it be nessicary.
I would argue that two is the corect action even though if you put this out as you plan your redneck hawkish neighbors will acuse you of apeasing the robers because you want to make sure it is not your teen-ager sneaking in ineptly.
March 13, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo. Much better analogy.
March 14, 2008 2:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting. Joe Scarborough proposed that a plausible "3 am" scenario we could face in the next term is the assassination of the Pakistani leader (whoever that may be and whatever title they may be using) and nukes thus falling to al Qaeda.
Senator Barack Obama's foreign policy focus has been tracking and containing loose nukes.
Senator Hillary Clinton's has been voting for the Iraqi AUMF and Kyl-Lieberman.
So, to continue your analogy, Obama wants to install an alarm, put up outside lights, and train the dogs (intelligence agencies).
Hillary Clinton has been gossiping over the back fence with crazy Old Lady Lieberman (the one who calls the police about trick'r'treaters on Halloween) about that suspicious car that drove too slowly down the street the other night, and bought a gun but never learned how to use and will probably blow the hell out of the meterman someday, and will lose the house in the ensuing lawsuit.
March 13, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Take the gun and get ready"....hmmm interesting statement.
It is true, that Hillary has no problem with taking the gun and getting ready. How about listing the Iran Military as a terrorist organization?
O'Fallon, commander of Iraq and Afghanistan, quit over the drum beats to war with Iran.
Hillary has no problem with taking the gun and getting ready. I still shake when I think of it.
March 13, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
About "toughness" and "action at 3 a.m.". What was the correct way to handle the one true "3 a.m. call" in the US history - the cold war nuke crisis? Was it to immediately throw nukes at Russia and probably cause a full scale nuclear war, where the world would probably cease to exist? Or was it to negotiate a peaceful resolution of the conflict, as JFK did? What would you rather have?
March 14, 2008 12:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
it's time for Lalo35adm to admit he/she is riding the GOP/neocon bus
March 14, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oscar Wilde: experience is what we call mistakes and HRC certainly has a lot of experience
March 14, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy, your "who's sorry now?" comment is unfortunate (unless you were actually being sympathetic; I can't tell sarcasm from a hole in the ground on this site).
We're all sorry now, aren't we.
I voted for Mondale because I hated Reagan, and because I knew America wasn't ready for a woman anywhere near the west wing I knew they'd lose, though I thought the attempt was symbolic.
Beyond being brilliant enough to instantly grasp what's going on and make a decision based both on principles and political reality (and oh by the way having been already briefed two weeks before when brilliant advisors saw a problem might be brewing), a president's integrity and honesty are about all I care about.
I heard a few minutes of Clinton on NPR this morning and was full of wonder at the Bushiness (or Shrubbery) of it. Obama may be boring with all his math teacher talk, but if folks aren't starting to notice that she's weaseling around the party rules and trying to steal votes, they're dumber than I thought. Maybe she thinks we're all so used to twisted talk from the White House that we won't notice.
I don't know what kind of "character" she has, but I do know her actions are getting smarmier by the day. And we haven't even begun to hear what the Republican attack machine has in store for her. You just know someone's rubbing their hands with glee and sifting through rooms and rooms of scandalous stuff on her.
March 13, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
"... and because I knew America wasn't ready for a woman anywhere near the west wing I knew they'd lose..."
That's not why they lost. We are underestimating the American people (I know that's hard to accept after the last two presidential elections, but it's true) to say that they wouldn't vote for a woman as vice-president,... or a black man now. It might not have been the right woman, but even that is iffy. You generally don't lose an election because of your VICE-president.
March 13, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good post, lo fi.
Clinton's red phone ad seems to suggest that if the US suffers an attack she would instantly launch nukes against Iran or some other Muslims somewhere. Then if it turns out later that the attack was from a domestic source, I guess she'd force the courts to declare the attacker a Muslim foreign combatant because in fourth grade he did a report about the Middle East.
A few months ago I considered Obama and Hillary reasonably decent candidates and would have voted for either of them in November. Now I am so disgusted with Hillary, I will stay home on Election Day if she is the nominee.
March 13, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I'm sick to death of weasling, twisting, rationalizing, and excessive spin."
This sums it up perfectly for me. I've gotten to the point where I can't stand to hear Clinton's voice. She is so inauthentic that it's not clear that she has an core beliefs. The only thing she has convinced me of is that she will say anything to get elected.
March 13, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am a 60-yearr-old white woman but I do not support Hillary for two main reasons. First I think Obama has clearly shown the ability not play politics as usual. He graciously deflected the Geraldine Ferarros attack. I believe he is the right man at the right time who is offering us all a chance to get our of the morass we are in and I I'm willing to take the chance he offers. For all long time I thought I would vote for Hillary. When she was ahead she was funny and gracious. When she lost Super Tuesday her true character came out and it was ugly. Realizing she could not longer win on the merit against Obama she let her own Rove, Mark Penn, loose. Attacks soon followed with Hillary doing the more subtle ones like answering the question about Obama being a Muslin with "of course not . . . . as far as I know. Smarmy. The only way she can win this nomination is to bloody Obama and steal the nomination.
Any person who can look the audience in the eye and say she deserves all the delegates in MI even if Obama's name was not on the ballot and then berate Obama for not breaking the rules by leaving his name on is no better than any Republican argument used in the 2000 election. She will not win the national but even if she does it will be deja vu fighting over and over again.
Tally up the benefits the American people have received since 1992. Bill had a booming economy to help him balance the budget and to add jobs by the thousands. His list of successes beyond that are modest because he was waging war 24-7 with the Republicans. We then got Republicans for 7+ terrifying years.
Bring back Hillary and Bill--and yes, Bill will not stay out of the limelight--and we will be at war once again in Congress. Yes Hillary is a fighter; she is not a leader. We need a new game board with new players.
March 13, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
And what was Obama's true nature when he sued in November to get back on the Michigan ballot? Buyer's remorse?
March 13, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is this true? Do you have a link?
March 13, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's absurd, according to state law in Michigan, all he would have had to do would be to ask to have his name put back on the ballot, since he had already fulfilled all the signatory requirements to be put on in the first place.
http://michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7-127--177580--,00.html
Here is a copy of the pledge that Clinton signed.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070831_Final_Pledge.pdf
March 13, 2008 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Desidero never has a link. Hit and run, no evidence.
March 14, 2008 1:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
To be fair, it may have been the Michigan Senate bill that I was referring to - I originally saw the reference at MyDD or OpenLeft, but found nothing on search, and the closest I can find is:
Names will not be restored to ballot
Slightly different non-Fox version
which doesn't say what the Obama campaign's role or opinion of this was, though here's his supporters telling how to get Uncommitted votes as an alternative (kinda like campaigning/running ads):
Uncommitted
As an apology, here's a description of the candidates campaign strategy in Iowa to of course force a break for their candidates: Iowa Independent
And another of Obama using ballot challenges to knock all other contenders off the ballot in 1996:
Obama 1996
and here's another giving one version of Obama's legislative success in Illinois:
Obama in Chicago
and of course the resume embellishments mentioned at the Analyze This blog.
Are those enough "character" references for you, DF? And of course I frequently include URL's in my posts, as you can see at:
Desidero
But thanks for the opportunity of self-promotion.
March 14, 2008 5:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Surely you must have been confused with Kucinich's attempt to get his name withdrawn, upon failing to get that done, he campaigned in Michigan. At the time that he did this - Obama and the others who withdrew, had already done so.
See when you research BEFORE you speak, it's easy to have the links handy - like this one from the Detroit Free Press, which I got via Wikipedia which has articles on the Michigan & Florida Primary and the Super Delegates (a complete list even) and about everything else related to this campaign.
Only takes a second to make sure you're not just SPOUTING OFF
March 14, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, I wasn't confused with Kucinich. But you can follow the links that I did provide. (I'd provided the one on the November action before, but I thought it was about Obama himself getting back on the ballot. And I did apologize if that's actually what I'd seen, seeing as I don't know what role Obama had in pushing the legislature bill to restore his name to the ballot.)
March 14, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please post the link.
Was Hillary's name on the ballot at the time?
-Yes.
Realizing that she wasn't taking her name out, why would he not want his back on?
(You do have some abusurd arguments.)
March 13, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Just because all the other kids are doing it, Johnny, doesn't mean you have to."
Really, that's a silly answer to "character". And no, Obama didn't have to take his name off, but he was sucking up to the early states to get a win, because of course Hillary was front-runner and if he didn't gain traction through South Carolina and Nevada it was all over for him anyway.
March 14, 2008 7:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Sucking up to the early states" is part of everyone's playbook. The results in the early states, for better or worse, make or break campaign and there's simply no way of getting around that fact. (Ask Rudy how well his alternative plan worked out.)
There's nothing inherently wrong with sucking up to voters who provide a strategic advantage. That's politics. There is, however, something wrong with brazenly lying to voters, especially the ones who just saved your campaign from collapse, as she did in New Hampshire.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4232899&mesg_id=4232899
Once it became clear that Hillary would seek an advantage by not honoring that pledge the Obama and Edwards campaigns had no choice but to move to blunt that strategy. So this
"pox of both their houses" argument is pretty ridiculous. (And pretty standard for any Clinton-ite)
March 14, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
If your statement is true, I would say his true nature was appropriately suspicious that Mrs. Clinton would try to pull a stunt like this one.
March 14, 2008 2:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
This 60 year old MaMa is for Obama !
March 13, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
NO DRAMA OBAMA!!!!
March 13, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe it's:
"Stop the Drama, Vote Obama!"
March 14, 2008 4:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, everyone should answer with yes/no/I don't know so that the simpletons among us can understand what they're saying. Why does Clinton have to act stupid to answer a question? Why does she have to edit her answers, why shouldn't it be as full an answer as she can possibly give?
The dumbing down of America.
March 13, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
That said, if Hillary gets the nomination, I personally will vote for her, holding my nose. Because where I live, and among the people I know and care about, policy matters. War matters, as does access to abortion, as does basic economic fairness, labor rights, global warming, etc-- need I go on?
I have voted for a Congressman who was under indictment, and in fact ended up in jail, because he was going to vote for better policies than the guy who was challenging him. Sometimes I don't care much about character-- Bill's antics in the White House were nobody's business but Hillary's, in my opinion-- and sometimes, bad character is trumped by policy concerns.
But given the choice between two candidates with similar policies, the value of character is clear. Someone above used the word "gracious" to describe Obama's response to Ferraro, and I thought, oh wow, what a concept. Could we have a president who was gracious? Now there's a novelty! And gracious and strong put together-- yes! (Carter may have been gracious-- I can't recall, but thinking about him more recently, I can certainly imagine it-- but not strong enough to go with it.)
Obama is such a breath of fresh air.
March 13, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary herself now regrets voting for the Iraq war. But people like her because she's "tough", meaning that she doens't think once before going to a costly war, be it with a foreign country with no plans or means to hurt the US, or with a fellow Democrat. Go to war first, ask questions later. Yeah, that's just what we need... And by the way, that's not what tough people do, that's what cowardly people do.
March 14, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Forget aout Ferraro, forget about Hillary. Here's an INCREDIBLE white woman whose life story really means something for true feminists:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14obama.html?hp
I'm greatly moved.
March 14, 2008 1:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow! You are so right. Thank you very much for that link, I'd missed the article.
March 14, 2008 2:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm so glad you like it. Please share it.
“People said: ‘Hi! How are you?’ She said: ‘How’s your wife? Did your daughter have the baby?’ They were friends. Then she’d whip out her notebook and she’d say: ‘How many of you have electricity? Are you having trouble getting iron?’ ”
And she's not doing it to get votes. She loved her husbands but didn't need them to live out her intrepid life. She worked hard for the grassroots, transcended race and cultural boundaries, still found time to tutor her son at 4am.
Now that's a woman I want as President.
March 14, 2008 3:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Read her f'ing speech, you idiots.
She didn't "blindly follow" Bush anywhere, nor did she blindly ignore Hussein as Obama did.
And Obama was safely tucked away in his little community with his "Audacity of Hope" preacher giving post-9/11 sermons on how we bombed others so what did we expect? Yeah, must have been real brave for Obama to be anti-war in that neighborhood.
March 14, 2008 3:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
They don't read anything that doesn't confirm their biases and prejudices. That's just a given, Desidero.
March 14, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Despite some of the vitriol and anger here, I wanted to point out the profile on Barack Obama's mother in today's New York Times. There's so much fury, conspiratorial spin and divisiveness going on right now, it was a bit cathartic to read this article to kind of refocus on what's right about Senator Obama by getting to the heart of who he is rather than the angry vision of what others want him to be. It's worth a read.
Here's the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14obama.html?ref=politics
Here are some passages:
"As a mother, Ms. Soetoro was both idealistic and exacting. Friends describe her as variously informal and intense, humorous and hardheaded. She preached to her young son the importance of honesty, straight talk, independent judgment. When he balked at her early-morning home schooling, she retorted, “This is no picnic for me either, buster.”
“She had a world view, even as a young girl. It was embracing the different, rather than that ethnocentric thing of shunning the different. That was where her mind took her.”
"Her first topic of conversation was always her son, her female friends said. As for him, he was grappling with questions of racial identity, alienation and belonging."
“She gave us a very broad understanding of the world,” her daughter said. “She hated bigotry. She was very determined to be remembered for a life of service and thought that service was really the true measure of a life.” Many of her friends see her legacy in Mr. Obama — in his self-assurance and drive, his boundary bridging, even his apparent comfort with strong women. Some say she changed them, too."
.“I think she was not at all personally ambitious, I think she cared about the core issues, and I think she was not afraid to speak truth to power.”
March 14, 2008 4:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I read articles like that and, knowing my history of American Presidents, wonder aloud at how the Obama biography fits comfortably alongside those of some of our greatest Americans.
Sappy, yes, touchy-feely, indubitably, but goddamnit, I'm tired of living in what my cousin calls "that period of fops and yawners between Jackson and Lincoln."
March 14, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
*** AnnH Excellent comment on character
*** Elizabeth2 you too. I love your anecdote.
Character is high on my list: number one. Character defines a person. Gaining confidence as a trustworthy and forthcoming individual is measured by deed not word alone.
Demeanour is an indicator of how a person might cope with stressful situations, address complex situations and make difficult decisions. No amount of experience actually prepares a person for emergency situations. Someone whose temperament is consistently even-keel is more likely to contemplate the situation and then respond to a crisis and/or while under intense pressure. It is reflection of character.
Experience is a false narrative. Every crisis is different. maintaining reasoned logic and rational thinking has nothing to do with years of experience. Unintended consequences are the direct results from errors in judgment regardless of experience. Years of experience do not translate into wise decision-making. i.e. Cheney, Rummy, etc..
After twenty debates people have a sense of how Obama acts under pressure. Time and again he has been consistently responsive, not reactive, to adversity. Snide remarks are met with patience, intelligence peppered with a sense of humour more often than not.
Obama's temperament has been tested. His ability, based on what I've observed, to accurately judge situations and make sound, moral decisions are measures of Obama's strength of character based on words followed with deed.
March 14, 2008 5:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's red phone ad:
Obama has a unique way in which he fights back without the gutter-snipe politics. For instance describing Hillary's newest ad with the red phone ringing at 3:00 AM, Obama rhetorically asks the audience, does she think I would not answer the phone? Of course I would, but I would not wait for 6 rings before doing so. :)
Therein he effectively disassembled the "scary" message with humour. The audience gets "it" -- they recognize it is simply a matter of using common sense and laugh.
Obama is clever that way.
March 14, 2008 5:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Reverend Wright...Obama's spiritual leader. That's wonderful.
I'm lovin it! Obama, even if he somehow wins the DEM nomination is toast. Play the tape over and over and over forever. His 20 year association with the Reverend Wright is the TRUE Obama. The phony transcend race argument is gone and Obama will never be President of the US. God Bless America and talk radio, this is not going away however much the leftist media such as KOS, ObamaPost, MSNBC/NBC try otherwise. Also, there will be no more MSNBC debates so Obama will actually have to answer tough questions not the suck-up kiss up questions from the leftist socialist worthless MSNBC/NBC.
Drudge now FINALLY has it up (as does Hannity, Ingram, Savage, O'Riley, etc.) Way to go Sean Hannity and I don't even like you. The truth will set you free, Jesus was a black man taken care of by those nasty white European Italian Romans. Sure. :)
Geraldine Ferarro is 100% correct!!! Go Gerry, tell those kool-aid drinkers the truth.
March 14, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Off to the margins with you, sir.
March 14, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's Putting a Fine Point on It
March 14, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of character -- I have watched many of Sen. Obama's speeches -- I can practically repeat what he is going to say after the first few words.
The NYTIMES article in today's issue mentioned his referring to his mother as a "single mon" -- when I first heard him, he was referring to being raised by a "single, teenage mom" -- that later changed to a "single mother and his grandparents"
From what I can read about his background -- technically, ne never had a "single, teenage mom" -- according to the story, his mother married when she was 18 and, from what I have read earlier, bore the son at age 19. The father left when he was 2.
A few years later, she married again. He has a half-sister.
He wasn't raised by a "single, teenage mom."
Maybe she was a single, teenage mother for a month or so depending upon when the parents divorced.
Now -- for him to say that he was raised by a "single, teenage mom" paints a much more interesting picture of his past.
Some could argue that there is nothing wrong with white lies or embellishment.
I don't agree.
However, he also doesn't tell the truth about larger issues either.
See the NYTIMES story of Feb. 3rd about Sen. Obama's ties to the nuclear power industry (Exelon) in Illinois. Read about the bill he introduced to force public notification when toxic leaks take place at a facility. When his nuclear power friends in Illinois didn't like his bill, he watered it down. The bill has never been passed in Congress. HOWEVER -- during the Iowa campaign, Sen. Obama said that he gotten this legislation passed. He never responded to the NYTIMES as to why he had said it passed.
Now, campaigns are stressful, but I find it difficult to believe that he can't remember whether a bill he introduced had been passed or not -- considering his short time in the Senate.
I also have noted several instances where he has an excuse for something questioned -- example, saying he pushed the wrong button on some of those "present" votes in Illinois. Now if that had been true, wouldn't he have corrected the error?
The Rezco Association is another example -- he called the house deal a "bone-headed" mistake -- that was a 15 or 16 year association with all sorts of red flags -- when it was first brought up in a debate, he tried to sound like he didn't even know Rezco -- did five hours of legal work for the individual.
Why would a person of high character have a 15 or 16 year association with Rezco? All of the problems were known when the house/lot deal took place.
In an earlier campaign, he said in a campaign questionnaire that he didn't believe in individual ownership of handguns (something on that order) Recently, he said that was a mistake by an aide, that he didn't mean that...
The communication with Canadians about NAFTA is another example of not telling the truth.
Some will say that all politicians lie, etc. I have been following politics for over 40 years and I do not believe that all politicians are liars, etc. I believe there are many honorable people in political life.
From what I have read thus far, I do not have that impression of Sen. Obama though.
March 14, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have two quick points...
The best one who took calls at 3 a.m. was LBJ. I miss LBJ. I keep imagining how he would have been obsessed about the Gulf coast during and after Katrina, about twisting (and breaking arms, if need be) when it came to rebuilding.
But, let's face it: The scariest calls come in DURING the day. Or the ones that carry a lot of weight that seemingly don't - like the mortgage meltdown. Did anyone see the tent city in California on BBC America last night? About 40 percent of the "residents" there are there thanks to the mortgage meltdown. I bet those folks won't be the last. And I bet their plight wasn't called in by a frantic aide at any time of the day or night.
I say, Screw the 3 a.m. call. Let's see how hard you'll do the LBJ Arm Twist for the common good.
March 14, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm glad I read this post. Its a good one. I find that its hard for Obama supporters to post things like this and not have Clinton supporters post ridiculous things about other issues (Rev Wright is one of them). It goes both ways, Obama supporters can be overzealous as well.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Character goes a long way. Remember when campaigns used to talk about family values? Obama embodies them - he's not had any personal controversies in recent years and he has a good loving family - taking a look of his pictures with them shows you more than you think. He also has a very Presidential nature about him.
I just wonder what it is about him that keeps him from being a landslide candidate? Oh that's right, he's lucky to be black, so it couldn't be that could it?
March 14, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lalo ...you are treating the red phone as if its just the regular phone. Let's remember that thsi is a special phoen that when it rings no matter what time it is you know that something serious is happening.
If my regular phone rings at 3am my response id what the f**k. In the position of someone with this kind o fresponsibility, if my RED phone rings at 3am I know its quite serious (like answering a call to 911) and I shake off the sleep and listen careful.
THIS WHERE JUDGEMENT COMES BEFORE ACTION!!
March 14, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
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