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Snark to Screech or Obama and Clinton eat babies
So for the record I am not a Democrat, I really never cared for the party, I'll spare the reasons. I am fortunate because I live in Oakland, so I can vote third party most of the time and it'll be fine. (also because you can talk politics with most folks and disagree AND fundamentally agree, I guess there is a lot of mutual respect, except for Michael Savage living within walking distance F**K!)
Why do I tell you this? No reason no relevance, I just live in a better place than you.
Anyhow.
The squabbling of this primary is just, well, stupid. Neither candidate is ideal and no candidate ever is at the national level. Neither candidate is going to be that bad as long as we have a working majority in congress either.
I would most definitely prefer Obama, however he is not the messiah, and he does play spin, target group message, character assassination politics. If you haven't noticed, then you are Cult-like (or you may have missed it because he is really good at it)
And Clinton is disingenuous, and she does play win at all stakes politics, she learned through survival. If you haven't noticed, then you are Hilbot like ( and you really have to have noticed that, right? Maybe not?)
Ferraro wasn't racist she was stupid and did say some truth, trivial,stupid but true. Wright, a few factual errors aside, his message was correct from what I have seen.
Both sides have used things such as this and manipulated it to score points, that is politics, gotta break eggs to make omlettes, yada yada. If we run with it they will run with it, blogs are quite often ahead of and shaping the MSM narratives.
A Democratic president with a Democratic congress are tools not leaders( that is not meant to be a pun) What I mean is, Democratic politicians are more likely to hear the will of the people and if not bent to the will of the people. The other cats not so much. We need smart advocates not leaders, and it is on us to organize not just cast ballots. If you are looking for leadership, good luck with that.
So please change the narrative, I read here because it has posts of some great analysis, and some witty ass snark. This has rapidly changed. Views from formerly well reasoned posters are morphing into petty, inaccurate worse than FOX vitriol. Please start with the brains again, so I can read and not post quasi -kumbaya come together critique.
Lastly, the McCain stuff. Real simple, he is not morally and ethically upstanding, he is not genuine, he is not a straight shooter, he is not a military expert, he is not a populist. Please don't post anything to the contrary, research for yourself. If you are going to vote for him in protest you are an, I don't really know how say in a civil way, idiot.
Pontifically yours




Comments (8)
Well said.
March 23, 2008 6:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think there are very few Hillary supporters who would disagree with your post. We don't have any illusions about how our candidate plays to win. What impedes dialog here is the large number of Obama supporters who do not see or will not discuss or consider the possibility that, "he does play spin, target group message, character assassination politics."
March 23, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
hear hear! they are both powerful politicians and both need constant diligence from the electorate. let's have TPM get back to doing that with the objectivity its brand was built on.
March 23, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I couldn't agree more. I tried to write with reason but it seems that flame wars are the word of the day here. We are stuck to our talking points, fingers in our ears, et al.
March 23, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
oceankat,
I somewhat disagree, in the implication (as I read it anyhow) that irrationality is one sided or at least lopsided. I am all for calling out the candidates,but to be able to dial it back to where we all can admit that the Clintons really didn't have anyone killed.
March 23, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well this is more like the old--TPM and TPM Cafe. It certainly has gotten very weird around here lately. As a lurker and sometime poster since TPM's humble beginning, I really miss the reasoned voices and good conversations of old.
I plan to vote for the democrat in the race--no matter who it is--just as I voted for Gore and for Kerry (who were both terrible candidates, and not really much as politicians go.)
March 23, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I agree. This endless primary is making me crazy.
I'm sure I'll look back on it all with nostalgia. But right now, I'd like politics to get boring. God, for the days when it was all about Al Gore and reinventing government.
March 23, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Praise God!
March 24, 2008 3:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
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