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Obama's Speech
I agree with Josh. I think Obama clearly had his "A" game today. This was not a political rally that justified dramatic couplets and soundbites followed by raucous applause, so it cannot be measured in the same way as a speech in that forum. This was a measured, thoughtful account of his life in a racially divided country. It was noteworthy for its intelligence, sincerity and insight. Its hard to imagine another politician giving this speech let alone delivering it with such grace. It was truly moving for me. While I recognize it was a "campaign" speech and its impact on the campaign matters, at this particular moment I choose to evaluate it in isolation for the uniqueness of its message and the high quality of its messenger. On that score, it was a magnum opus for Obama--and a great moment for our country given its context.







Comments (78)
I think the tenor of the speech was perfect. Obama doesn't have one A-game that he superimposes on every speech regardless of content. He really meant what he said. He spoke from his heart and mind.
What did he have to accomplish with this speech? I think the smarter question is "What do we as a nation have to accomplish?"
There will be those who are as inflexible now as they were before he said a word today. Who are these people? A majority of them were inflexible long before this election.
What were they waiting to hear? They didn't want to hear a complete unequivocal denouncement of what Rev. Wright says in those clips.
No. They are waiting to hear that he's out of the race.
Personally, I'm even more confident about Obama's integrity.
March 18, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I haven't watched it yet, but just reading it brought tears to my eyes. I'm an Obama supporter, so I don't fully trust my own judgment. But I believe that he has taken a situation that might have sunk any other candidate and turned it into an affirmative statement reinforcing why he should be our next president.
March 18, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you thought todays speech was good, here is another great Obama speech that courageously confronts another issue that divides us. The division between religious America and secular America:
(excerpt)
"For some time now, there has been plenty of talk among pundits and pollsters that the political divide in this country has fallen sharply along religious lines. Indeed, the single biggest "gap" in party affiliation among white Americans today is not between men and women, or those who reside in so-called Red States and those who reside in Blue, but between those who attend church regularly and those who don't.
Conservative leaders have been all too happy to exploit this gap, consistently reminding evangelical Christians that Democrats disrespect their values and dislike their Church, while suggesting to the rest of the country that religious Americans care only about issues like abortion and gay marriage; school prayer and intelligent design.
Democrats, for the most part, have taken the bait. At best, we may try to avoid the conversation about religious values altogether, fearful of offending anyone and claiming that - regardless of our personal beliefs - constitutional principles tie our hands. At worst, there are some liberals who dismiss religion in the public square as inherently irrational or intolerant, insisting on a caricature of religious Americans that paints them as fanatical, or thinking that the very word "Christian" describes one's political opponents, not people of faith.
Now, such strategies of avoidance may work for progressives when our opponent is Alan Keyes. But over the long haul, I think we make a mistake when we fail to acknowledge the power of faith in people's lives -- in the lives of the American people -- and I think it's time that we join a serious debate about how to reconcile faith with our modern, pluralistic democracy."
It is an awesome speech! Check out the rest
Video here:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid463869411/bctid416343938
Transcript Here:
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060628-call_to_renewal/index.php
March 18, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just wasted my time to replying to this same stupid f'ing post on another thread.
Hey folks! mageduley is a paid campaign spammer.
Where I see you on these threads I'll identify you FWIW.
March 19, 2008 2:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've never seen anything like this before. Not just the speech, which was remarkable for many different reasons (ever heard a presidential candidate reference the legalized discrimination of FHA policy before?), but for this fact: Obama has not let me down. That may sound like I'm damning Obama with faint praise, but that isn't the case at all. I've never been able to support a candidate who rises to every challenge so convincingly, movingly and aggressively. The speech today, the 3 hours on Rezko with the Chicago papers last week-- Obama is offering of himself in away I haven't seen before, and my believe in his intergrity and ability just grows and grows. This isn't about the strength of his oratory--it's about the fact that, in a culture where pettiness and divisiveness prevails, despite our corrosive public discourse, Obama has shown the ability to appeal to the better angels of our nature and can enable us to grow up and move on. Here's hoping.
March 18, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I've never been able to support a candidate who rises to every challenge so convincingly, movingly and aggressively."
He is able to do that because he knows himself, he is comfortable with himself, and he focuses very well. Whatever challenges he faces, he will not lose his balance.
March 18, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Oliver Willis says what I was trying to say in my reply, and puts it nicely:
"One of my personal maxims has been that politicians will disappoint you. The ones you like will have personal failings, while the ones you detest will fail time and time again. With Senator Obama, for the first time in my life, I have watched a political leader who I don’t worry if he’ll be up to the task.
"It’s like you had Michael Jordan in his prime or Joe Montana with 2 minutes to go. It’s that feeling where you say to yourself: Ok, breathe, he’s got it.
"Chill, Barack’s got it."
http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/03/18/raise-your-expectations/
March 18, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't see the whole speech, but I have got to say this. If I heard a "sermon" like that, I would have taken my children out of that church and gone to one that preaches the bible, preaches loving one another. I had no idea that this is the kind of message that the black community has been getting for two generations now, since civil rights was enacted. It is no wonder that there is still a divide. LONG ago, my mother taught me that we are all the same. Like Obama's grandmother, my mother was afraid too, but she got over it! The bigotry and hatred spouted by that minister is sickening and although I am happy that Obama has denounced the remarks, I am not happy with Obama and what he has opened his childrens minds to.. Really this racial stuff has to end somewhere.
March 18, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I had no idea that this is the kind of message that the black community has been getting for two generations now..."
Please pardon me if this seems rude, but your statement suggests that you have no idea what it is like to be black in the USA.
"LONG ago, my mother taught me that we are all the same."
Black people in the USA learn the hard way that they are NOT the same. It does not make sense to accuse Wright of bigotry and hatred unless you also accuse white America of bigotry and hatred.
March 18, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
MsBehavin,
Your words don't seem to acknowledge the Big Picture.
Sometimes one can only get that Big Picture by having experiences that are outside one's zone of comfort or familiarity. But one can always attempt to look at the world through a different filter.
Really, there are many many ways to interpret the Universe. Yours is not the better one, it is just another one.
(PS:
1- When you say: 'If I heard a "sermon" like that,' are you saying that you have indeed listened to the whole sermon before you formed your opinion?
2- Did you maybe just listen to the out-of-context snippets that the Media has played?
3- What strenuous efforts have you made to understand people who come from a background radically different from yours?
4- This is what I hear you say: “Oh, my, I would take my children to a “good” Church, where the “good” people go!”)
March 18, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
The big picture?? The picture where the white people are trying to get past the hatred and racism taught to them by previous generations while the black people are DEVELOPING new generations filled with hatred and racism? Really...where does it stop? I have worked side by side with some of the most intelligent, kind beautiful and thoughtful black people on the face of the earth. It would rip me to pieces if I found out that they were subjecting themselves and their children to such blasphemy.
March 18, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
O please.
Perpetrators have the luxury of ceasing to perpetrate.
Victims have to overcome the emotional scars and abuse of their perpetrators.
It is the difference between the sexual abuser and the abused.
Which has more long lasting scars?
Please stop with the naivete.
The abused has far more years of therapy than the abused. The abused must learn what triggers their behavior.
While the abused are like those who suffer from PTSD...never knowing what will trigger their stress, anxiety and totally frighening irrational response.
March 18, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where does it stop?
I thought that was sorta the point of the speech today.
It stops with us.
With all of us, black and white and brown, and red and yellow, and any other color in there that I missed.
It stops with me. Anyone else, I can't say, but laying blame on those who don't stop doesn't change my ability to stop, and it won't make it go away.
My own forgiveness and my adherence to my personal belief are all I have, and all I need.
Beyond that, all I can say is, "how about you?"
March 18, 2008 11:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
MsBehavin,
Here you can find the full text of a sermon by Wright; after you read it, let us know is his message would be apt for you and your children's ears:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/for-the-record.html#more
I agree, "this racial stuff has to end somewhere." That somewhere is probably the middle.
March 18, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
What you sent me to was the audacity of hope sermon, which is a very lovely sermon, I agree. The issues I have are with his statements like "God Damn America...with Hillary being White.. with his preaching to children about things that children should not hear. Our only hope is the next generation, and the one after that, and if we are preaching this divide, we will always live this divide.
March 18, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
MsBehavin,
I might have to agree with you, I too think it is time for the next generation. One of the reasons why I support Obama.
When you say: "preaching to children about things that children should not hear," you should be aware that not everyone agrees with you on what it is that children should be hearing.
Just so you know...
March 18, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
gee, for minute there I thought that I walked into a missionary.
March 18, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you think you can prevent your children from hearing things you find offensive then you are a fool. I intentionaly take my daughter to see things that I know I will find offensive so that we can discuss what is wrong with them. The wold exists. You cannot get away from it. If I left every venue that offended me I would have no where else to go. We take the good with the bad and note the difference.
March 18, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree we need to discuss offensive things with our children, but how do you have a conversation with a child that is being taught to be racially biased by the PREACHER?? As a parent, I would not allow that to happen. Sorry, I have brought up my 3 children to be unbiased. Two are voting for Obama! (I am a Hillary fan) I am saying that this preacher is not preaching gospel, he is preaching hatred. and as a parent, I would not allow that.
March 18, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Teaching your child to listen to a preacher that you ocasionaly disagree with and explaining why is;
1. Inevitable unless you are a sheep because there will not be any that you agree with on all issues.
2. A great way to teach them to not respect authority to much. We all need to be skeptical of those in power and there is no better way that skill than teaching them to question the pastor (and yourself if you are secure enough).
March 18, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you REALLY concerned about his children?
Every time I've been to a church, be it a Black Church, White Church or Mixed Church.. especially a bigger church.. younger children were in Youth gospel, youth ministry or Sunday School, separate from the main sermon.
I don't know specifically that this is the case with Obama's children, but from my own experiences kids under a certain age were elsewhere.
At the time of the 9/11 (God d*mn America) speech, Obama's kids would've been 3 and under 1 years old collectively, so the odds that they were an active part of the sermon are...unlikely.
March 18, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a Catholic, I'm not going to stop taking my kids to mass just because a priest condemns homosexuality, contraception or a woman's right to choose. My gay Catholic relatives and friends still go to mass. There is still much much more that I get out of mass, my church and sermons that allows me and others to look past the things that I find repugnant about my church, individuals and leaders in it.
I don't buy your argument, but if you repeat it enough, maybe you will.
March 18, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Try to imagine 12 generations of being dirty and evil, with 3 or 4 more of just not being acceptable after that.
March 18, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems unclear whether what you didn't see all of was the speech by Obama or the sermon by Rev. Wright.
March 18, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
MsChief, you got a soundbite speech taken out of context. The Bible is being talk rather thoroughly in Black Churches. Rev. Wright is nationally respected. Don't get caught up in the Fox or Limbaugh spin. I guess the only thing left for Obama to do in order to get folks to move forward is to kiss some rings or maybe mop some floors.
Get over it. The God I know and the one that your kids need to know is a forgiving God!
March 19, 2008 8:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Regardless of what this speech does or does not do for his campaign, it was important for him to give and for us to hear as a nation. We needed to hear it.
It is interesting that what started as a" by the book" political attack has led Obama to deliver this speech.
The reason that Obama did not leave his church over controversial or incendiary statements by Rev. Wright is not "black or white", as the media and political punditocracy like to frame everything.
The reason is complex, and required a nuanced response. That was Obama's challenge. To explain the cultural heritage, the social conditions, and the prejudices that lead to anger and bitterness in a community of people. Not just in the black community, but the white community as well. The anger is not always helpful and is often divisive, but it is real, and can not be ignored or dismissed.
The politically expedient thing to do would have been to throw Rev. Wright and Trinity under the bus. But that would not have been the honest thing to do, nor would it have been the right thing to do.
Obama did the right thing. While acknowledging the real divides that exist in our society, he has appealed to our better nature, spoken to us intelligently and honestly.
Like a clear voice in a cacophony.
Regardless of what happens here on out in this election, Obama deserves a lot of respect for the courage and leadership he has shown.
March 18, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
March 18, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember when Tiger Woods said "I didn't bring my 'A-game' today" I submit to you that Tiger is like Barack in this instance....
Tiger's B-game will pretty much beat anyone out there, while his A-game transcends...
Barack's A-game in speeches are (dare I say it) legendary - 2004 Democratic Convention for starters, the New Hampshire concession speech (Yes We Can) for another... But his B-game is still far and away above the other two candidates still left in the race.
March 18, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow the man can do no wrong. Kool-Aid anyone?
March 18, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, please... along with a pillow, some crumpets and chocolate. Give me a break...
This was an historic speech that did something NO ONE else has ever had the courage to in the midst of political campaign: talk openly and honestly and candidly about race.
In 1992, Bill Clinton's seminal "race moment" was trashing Sister Souljah... but not with honesty or candor, it was a ploy to get white votes. Hillary makes the trek to black churches -- and Bill too, when he is in need of a nap -- not to be honest, but in a search for votes.
I didn't see Obama asking for votes here. I was struck by how respectful the audience of invited dignitaries was, refraining from applause until it seemed they could no longer contain themselves. They could have sat quietly and nodded their heads in agreement, but they didn't. No doubt since there were clergy among them, they may have spent at least a little time reflecting on their own sermons and speeches: did I rail just a little too much about this or that? Could something I said have been taken out of context?
This was a tour de force. Not because it was full of vocal tricks, soaring flourishes, dynamic pauses, but because it was in measured tones that allowed each phrase to sink in.
(Although Joe Scarborough must have some pretty thick, Florida sunburned hide, because he didn't hear Barack acknowledge the resentments of white Americans. Joe keeps mentioning 350 years, Barack specifically mentions 221. The difference is whether you're going back to 1787 (the Constitution) or 1658, arguably the start of slavery. Most black people count back a little further. Joe epitomizes a lot of what Barack was talking about: so sensitive to talk directly about legacy of problems bequeathed to us by slavery, Joe can only see the angry white man as legit. He can't see all of us -- black and white willingly to work hard to move past it all. I feel sorry for Joe.)
I will watch it again this evening on CSPAN (10 PM ET) with my 78-year old mother. Take the time to watch either for the first time or again. It may change you. It should change you.
March 18, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's speech was magnificent! Perhaps we do not have experience with speeches by leaders. Such speeches have one quality in common: they describe the facts on the ground with honesty and candor. Only after that can we hope to reach solutions. Obama is my man 10 times over after hearing that speech delivered, having previously read the text. (And if you haven't already done so, find a complete video--it's available--not excerpts. It only lasts half an hour; well worth every minute.)
Obama makes me, an old white guy who supported Martin and Bobby and never got over either one of them, want to run as fast as my legs would carry me to a black church this Sunday and ask to come in. But more than that, Obama made me want to run as fast as my legs would carry me to the nearest Obama office and join a phone bank, or start writing checks (mine to the campaign). Truth is: he is the only candidate running for President in the past 40 years who can lead the way out of the current morass. Today's speech was just one more example of why that is so.
March 18, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
"way that skill"
SHOULD HAVE READ
"way to teach that skill"
Your post is your preview ;-)
March 18, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
David Kurtz points out that the speech provided sound bites that can be taken out of context in ways that harm Obama. True enough, but I think it's a mistake to be consumed by fear of that sort of thing. Any substantive statement of any length will provide such a soundbite. I think the only way to address this problem is to explicitly take on the false implications that could be made by taking comments out of context. And Obama did a good job of that, I thought.
March 18, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
"David Kurtz points out that the speech provided sound bites that can be taken out of context in ways that harm Obama. True enough, but I think it's a mistake to be consumed by fear of that sort of thing.
"We have nothing to fear, but fear itself." - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
March 18, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right. One of the most important aspects of the speech was Obama's calling upon the media to stop dragging down the discourse. Hopefully the MSM will stop and consider the implications of their actions when they slice-and-dice along racial lines, when they blanket the airwaves with decontextualized and inflammatory sound bites, when the talking heads fall into their corrosive and choreographed punch and judy routines. This speech was a call to the consciences of news organizations and pundits as much as to anyone else.
March 18, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
He wrote the speech himself. By HIMSELF.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/speechwriter_of_one.php
March 18, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
At http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Longer_Wright.html check out the complete Christmas sermon that includes the assertions about Senator Clinton being limited by her background.
Until the last few minutes, I was completely with the pastor. It's Scriptural and culturally connected, scholarly and witty. The take on the instant, startling quality of the angels' arrival will stay with me as just plain good preaching. And the part about the good news being to "all people," and calling on the congregation to say "all" repeatedly was glorious.
On balance, it left me understanding why Senator Obama not only visited Trinity, but joined and stayed.
That's not saying I could agree with the last few minutes, or even that I could have listened to them without later giving voice to my disagreement. But I can, even as a white woman with pretty much the same privileges as Senator Clinton, imagine going back to hear more.
March 18, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you and Josh. What did David Kurtz expect? Did he want him to go out with a big smile and start yelling 'Si Se Puede?'
It was an incredible speech and despite the media going around saying that Senator Obama was up until 2 a.m. writing it, I suspect that he's been working on it for a year, maybe longer, and only added the final touches this morning. I think he's a super intelligent man, perhaps I'm not giving him enough credit, I don't know.
Fox News and the people who already hate Obama are not going to change their view of him or keep them from attacking, but I have to admit that even I, horrified as I was by Wright's words, was a bit nervous about the repercussions to Obama's campaign. This powerful speech put my mind at ease, and hit home in so many ways (good God, if you heard some of the racist crazy things coming out of my grama's mouth).
More than anything as I got a bit misty listening to it, I wondered if Chris Matthews got another chill up his leg.
March 18, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amber, your comment regarding Obama writing the speech over a years time.... Is it possible that he had a good speech and that in order to deliver it, he needed to have this controversy? Could the Senator who is a politician at his core, have put his congregation in front of the world in order to be able to make the speech? As far as the children are concerned, it doesn't matter if they are in the room when this hatred is spewed, it matters that the parents are there, taking it into their hearts and sharing it in their actions every day. I am a Hillary supporter since day one, and I won't change unless I am forced to, but it has nothing to do with this scandal or any other thing that has come up over the last few months and I am sure you are an Obama supporter with the same mindset, so lets agree that these two politicians need to get their messages across IN SPITE of the media and that they will need to get creative in order to do it.
March 19, 2008 1:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
The old Shell Game is what I saw. Obama trying to confuse the issues and muddy the waters so we can't see what is in front of us. Pastor Wright's hateful rhetoric wasn't just about race...it was about an anti-American view. Obama seemed eager to talk about race in order to keep us from noticing that he wasn't addressing the anti-American tirades of his Pastor. He didn't want to talk about the, almost gleeful, comments from Pastor Wright regarding the "chickens coming home to roost". Pastor Wright was referring of course to his belief that we deserved the 911 attacks, and that any Americans that died were small potatoes compared to Hiroshima..... or America's attempts to kill blacks with A.I.D.S.
Obama's speech did not inspire me. I saw it a very clever attempt to distract us, make us doubt ourselves and our sensibilities, and white-wash hateful rhetoric that was totally indefensible.
March 18, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Each of us sees what he or she wants to see.
If you already have your mind made up, you waste your time by pretending to watch, listen, participate... live.
I do understand. There have been times in my life when I wanted the world to be static, to stop moving. Sometimes it was because I believed I had everything the way I wanted it to be--and sometimes it was because things seemed so bad that I just wanted for everything to stop.
It won't ever stop, though. Long after the human race is gone, it will continue.
The good news is that we can choose to abandon the self-limiting position of control at any time. Holding a position is inherently isolating: No two people can agree all of the time, and so if you paint the world in black and white with no options or room for consideration, you have three choices: You can shout down those with whom you disagree, you can pretend to agree and hide your beliefs, or you can spend a lot of time alone.
None of those is good for you.
March 18, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Saying that blowback was part of the cause of 9-11 does not mean we deserved it or that the hijackers were justified. You can know your enemies motivation without thinking he is justified.
March 19, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently, not in America you can't.
March 19, 2008 2:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not in neo-conlandia anyway. The reality based community knows the score though.
March 19, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
But, people, as Obama said today, he is our one and only hope.
I can understand the black vote going for him,80%,should be 99%, He is their messiah.
I can understand the less educated white vote, they hear $1000 here, $2700 there, $4000 somewhere
else and that spells big $$$$ to them.
And, young white women all seem to swoon at rock stars
But what I can't understand, is the higher wage, more educated white man's support. (taking exit polls at their word.
March 18, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
"But what I can't understand, is the higher wage, more educated white man's support."
Many educated people have read a lot of Barack's writings and consider Barack far more knowledgable about world politics and history than any of the other candidates of either party. Barack's writing proves that he is a serious honest thinker, as well as an introspective and well-balanced person.
March 18, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo
March 19, 2008 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm very well educated, financially secure, white and male. I was initially an Edwards supporter because I grew up poor and it was obvious to me that Edwards had a deeper understanding of the problems and issues surrounding poverty, which I view as the most substantial problem facing America today. (I'm offering an opinion here, it might not be correct and some of my biases should perhaps be challenged but that isn't the point.)
I naturally gravitated to Obama for three main reasons. 1) His call for much greater transparence in government is always something I felt was very important. Clinton seems to have no real interest in greater transparence or really to even understand why it is important. 2) Through out his career, Obama has shown a remarkable level of honesty and integrity. (Ron Paul is similar but I think his policy positions are nuts.) Even if I didn't agree with Obama I would have great respect for him. 3) Obama seems to have remarkably good judgement. In my opinion you see that by looking at the times he went against popular wisdom. Similarly Clinton seems to rarely go against popular wisdom and seems too cautious in excercising her own independent judgement.
I would have been happy with Clinton as our nominee as I think she is a very capable person and generally well intentioned. However, she has already lost but seems incapable of accepting that fact which really just serves to undermine my opinion of her.
March 18, 2008 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
"But what I can't understand, is the higher wage, more educated white man's support. (taking exit polls at their word."
Hmm. Well, I'm fairly well-educated, white, and while I don't get wages, most people would think my salary was pretty why. Here are a few reasons I support Obama.
1. He's brlliant
2. He's a great speaker
3. He inspires me--embarrassingly enough, to tears at times.
4. He appears to share my values
That's a start anyway. I imagine that there are more voluble types who an weigh in at greater length...
March 18, 2008 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am one of those higher earning, educated white men that finds Obama extremely impressive.
Today only reinforced that. He addressed a difficult and uncomfortable issue with grace. He is very good at looking at an issue from many angles and perspectives.
How many times have you seen our current president look at an issue from more that one perspective? Perceived knowledge is a funny thing. Someone with only a trivial understanding of a subject can greatly exaggerate to themselves what they know. That is what I see in the Bush knowing smirk. It makes me cringe every time I see it. I doubt I ever see the same thing from Obama.
You seem to imply that he will be good for blacks at the expense of whites. I don't see that at all, and would be curious if that really is how you see things, and why.
March 18, 2008 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the educated male white voter, being squeezed out daily by more intelligent and agressive women in the workplace, may have a bit of a chip on their shoulder, so would vote for man before voting for woman. UGH.
March 19, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I read a number of different site and I always check the comments. I must say that this group has at least stayed civil.
I see hate and great racial divide in looking at the comments. I work in a place where white people call and because I sound white they feel comfortable saying they do no want their children with black and hispanic children. Many are surprised when they learn I am not white. I have worked in a place where I have seen whites and blacks get different sentences for similiar offenses.
For anyone in America to act like they do not know these conversations are taking place (in their homes, their churches, their country clubs, their schools, their boardrooms) they are telling a bold face lie.
I think there are many racial conversations that happen behind closed doors. While it happened at Rev. Wright's church, I fear it is happening in places where it makes a bigger difference.
Many people need to not only listen to the speech but also read the speech. I have read a number of comments adding things he did not say. He heard Rev. Wright say some things he DISAGREED WITH. He did not say he was present during either of those clips the news media is saying. In fact if you look at the dates of those sermons, it is obvious that these speeches are recent and Obama is on the campaign trail.
Vote for who you want. That is your right as an American citizen. But at this point the Republicans have already won the election. The Democrats are acting a like we have lost our collective minds and hell bent on destroying any candidate we have.
March 18, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen. This has been a profoundly troubling episode in the 2008 campaign. America is badly in need of healing. America is badly in need of a truth and reconciliation commission. As proud as Barack's speech made me, I am saddened by the gulfs and still-fresh wounds that have been in evidence on various blogs, etc. I hope we can begin to look honestly at issues of power, race, and prejudice in America without immediately retreating to our racial bunkers. I'm not so much the praying type; it's been months since my semitic self has been to a synagogue. But wracked with both hope and fear for our country, it feels like some prayer is in order tonight.
March 18, 2008 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rev. Wright is wrong, of course. The Rev. Jerry Falwell explained it:
Which is more offensive? When will John McCain be asked to explain his pandering to Rev. Falwell?
March 18, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I feel sorry for anyone who is so blinded by partisanship or hate that they are not able to be moved and inspired by Obama's speech. It will be a long time before we hear its equal, maybe never for some people.
March 18, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I understand that Rev Wright has read a lot of someone's books, and supposedly written several as well, has 4 earned degrees, numerous unearned,and some say he is the most educated man in America (possibly th world), but the fact remains that he is just an angry old man.
After studying at Wrights knee for so many years,some of this must have stuck. When I look at him (Obama) I see an angry young man.
If they had not put the muzzle on M. Obama, I think we would have heard a lot more of Wright's influence
March 18, 2008 11:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that is more likely you than him. He, like everyone else, is an ink blot. I see a butterfly, you see an angry black man. I happen to always see butterflies in ink blots.
March 19, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
America has been politely challenged today. We were spoken to respectfully, honestly and sincerely. It may not be what we wanted to hear, but it was certainly what (IMHO) we needed to hear. Obama addressed the issue of race head on. American has just been challenged. I only hope the America is willing to take up his challenge.
March 18, 2008 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I feel really blessed today, as a 52 year old guy who remembers the hopeful and exciting speeches of RFK and MLK back when I was a little 12 year old kid in 1968. I heard the same truth told in new words by a powerful speaker who genuinely believes we can give up the fears and misgivings that keep us from achieving the good things we know in our hearts we can achieve.
I feel a little more hopeful about America's future than I have since the 60's today.
God bless Senator Obama for that.
March 19, 2008 12:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's important for those with the privilege of internet access and time in their hands to reach out to the people less fortunate. Poverty is the other factor that seems to divide this country. Poverty transcends race, gender and ethnicity and should be tackled with a sense of urgency. Of all the remaining candidates, Obama has the experience as a community organizer to tackle this growing problem. Both Clinton and McCain are more tuned to the rich and powerful.
March 19, 2008 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's speech makes me feel proud. Not sure why, since I have no responsibility for it, but I'm proud of Obama. He was almost shockingly honest and candid about the most sensitive issue of our society. He displayed understanding and sympathy for -- but disagreement with -- both black anger and white anger.
There seems to be some feeling by angry white people that Obama did not simply dismiss angry black people, without taking account of the reasons for the anger. These angry white people sing the victim's aria: "how bad those others are, how righteous I am." But my sense is that for those who can be reached, Obama will reach them if they hear the speech itself (and not just thin characterizations of it).
I think this will turn out to be an important moment in our history, and I feel privileged to be on hand to watch it. I hope -- God, I hope -- the country at large is ready to be grown-up, humane, and reasonable about race. I am modestly hopeful.
March 19, 2008 1:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I relate to the feeling proud part of your comment. I just read Gene Robinson's column in the Washington Post and Maureen Dowd's in The New York Times. Great columns but only the views of one black and one white columnist. I'm Hispanic and the thing that struck a nerve with me was that Senator Obama was that he touched on how Hispanics are being scapegoated by many in white America. The thing that flashed through my head were those awful "Minutemen" vigilantes and the store owner who was in the news last week who insisted that two of his customers (U.S. citizens) produce Social Security ID's before he would let them make a purchase.
Even Hillary, who is arguably responsible for much of the racial mud slinging going on among the Democrats right now, saw the importance in Obama's speech and praised him for making it. I am glad he made it and hopeful that it will open up serious dialogue in the country, media, academic and in political circles.
March 19, 2008 3:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose I should have pointed out the editorials in the Post and NYT too:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/opinion/19wed1.html?ref=opinion
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/18/AR2008031802704.html
March 19, 2008 3:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
And the L.A. Times:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-rutten19mar19,0,5754610.column
If anybody has any interesting takes on this, please post.
March 19, 2008 3:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope this lands as interesting. The discussion here highlights the divisions that the speech addressed: Many of us have let our anger and frustration lead us to an all-consuming disillusionment that leaves us unable to choose what we want. We seem to be choosing what we *don't* want, and in many cases, have no idea what we do want.
So whether my comments are interesting is likely a function of where the reader is coming from--coming from just now, coming from over the past year, even coming from over the course of one's lifetime.
For me, the core of the speech is contained here: "...if we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together and solve challenges like health care, or education, or the need to find good jobs for every American."
Our country is in many ways like a marriage headed for divorce. The communication has all but stopped. Most of the talk consists of accusations and innuendo, and there are two sides that have lost the ability to find common ground where they can agree.
It doesn't matter whose fault it is. What matters is whether the participants can remember that each promised, swore, vowed to give their best towards the marriage. We have forgotten this--many of us may never have had it told, much less taught to us. This nation is a cooperative effort, which is what makes it a revolutionary experiment. We are literally in this together.
When we have succeeded, when we look back to prosperous times, the most compelling factor is unity. Anyone can see that this is what is missing now. I remember hearing someone say--in what now seems like a completely different time--that he was a uniter, not a divider. I was inspired, I wanted that. Who wouldn't?
Yet we often refuse to acknowledge that, although we want unity, we're not willing to do the work required. We don't want to listen to views that don't match our own. We don't even want to look at where our views come from, or examine our perspectives. We'd rather sit comfortably in the rut we've carved out for ourselves.
It seems easier to make the other person wrong in order to make ourselves right. In the long view--over a lifetime--it is this behavior which kills us. Resentment is poison. Unresolved conflicts are cancer. We fear some imagined pain that may result in reconciliation--even of our own checkbooks, or taxes--yet we hide the agony and frustration and that naturally fester in our awareness of what it is that we ought to be doing.
We simply choose not to act. We live lives of quiet desperation, hoping that someone else will do it for us. It's time to put away the childish blaming and focus on what it is that we want. If we spend any more time worrying about what we don't want, we very well may bring about our worst fears in self-fulfilling prophecy.
It's not too late. There is much to be done, and there are many of us. We can do what is required of us--and much, much more--if and only if we unite and begin behaving as a nation.
March 19, 2008 7:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
"If they had not put the muzzle on M. Obama, I think we would have heard a lot more of Wright's influence"
Man, you must live in a very special place, if you think it takes a preacher to teach people they are discriminated against.
And you've been living in a different country than I have for the last eight years, if a little piece of you didn't agree with her.
Fact is an awful lot of people live lives that you don't. Give them a little room for their own experience and history. We don't all have to put yellow ribbons on our car to love this country.
March 19, 2008 1:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is clearly the time to respond to Obama's invitation to come together! Look at the responses from across the spectrum all over the blogs.
Yes we can Perfect the Union!
I have always been so proud of and believed in America's idealism and promises, which is why I have to struggle not to cry when I sing either the National Anthem, or especially America the Beautiful.
But I don't kid myself, though I have worked hard to succeed, I know I am lucky that I am not a minority and have not had to face and overcome either intimidation and discrimination that is a standard experience in the lives of minorities. But the beauty of America, as Obama says, there is no other country where his story could have happened. So we are proud of our country and what it has offered to the world, and we accept the challenge to stand together with Obama to continue the process of creating our more perfect union.
March 19, 2008 2:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
You should not be so surprised. There is a long history of white defensiveness about their relationship to black people. White people have feared black people. White people are surprised to find out that black people are angry. This does not add up. To be surprised that black people are angry is to think that black people should not be angry. But if black people do not have any good reason to be angry, why are white people afraid of them? If black people are dangerous, the implication is that black people must be bad, because white people couldn't possibly be bad. What is missing is a recognition by white people that black people have something to be angry about. This is blaming the victim. It is a classic psychological defense mechanism, the purpose of which is to hide from white people their own complicity in the suffering of black people. The tricky thing about defense mechanisms is not that they are completely delusional, but that they select their facts to hide other facts. In this case, white people fear black anger without being able to recognize the existence of black anger. Yes, there is crime in the ghetto, but why is there this inability to deal with legitimate black anger? There is a disconnect. The fear is not entirely rational. This element of irrationality is a clue that some of the fear is a projection of ones own guilt feelings.
Any white person who has seriously been paying attention ought to be aware that there is good reason for black anger.
March 19, 2008 2:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I read the speech before I heard it. I listened a second time and read it again. It reads better than he spoke. He is usually (IMHO) a better speaker. I know the man is exhausted.
I give him credit for going where he went. Let's see what he has to say in next couple of days.
March 19, 2008 4:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
One other take on the speech.
I, like many others, thought it was a tremendous speech. But the speech itself, particularly the topic it covered, was seismic in its own right and it pretty much guarantees front-page coverage of Obama for the coming days and possibly weeks.
Hillary problem is less about picking apart a speech that has gone down very well - her spinmeisters can probably find a seam to exploit and keep attacking the Wright issue - it is about getting headline coverage again. It's going to be all Barack all the the time thru Easter, and that's half the game here.
Then again, it was all Barack all the time after Iowa, and we know how that ended in New Hampshire. But I feel this is different. Winning Iowa was yeah-whatever in the grand scheme of things; every four years, someone wins Iowa. Speeches like yesterday's sure don't.
March 19, 2008 7:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here is where I get just a little nuts.. KEEP ATTACKING???...."and keep attacking the Wright issue..." To my knowledge the answer to any question regarding Rev Wright has been " we will let Mr Obama answer for that, we have no comment." Keep things straight now...Play fair or don't play at all. This is the stuff that divides us.
March 19, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just looked up the speech on Youtube and the first link that came up for it has had over 109,669 hits since yesterday. His speech was far more important than the Wright issue and I'm glad it's getting the glowing coverage it deserves from the media.
March 19, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
His books are pretty amazing...thoughtful, well-written, deeply considered, a rarity in an age of poll-driven political discourse--my opinion as a highly educated, intelligent woman. That might be one reason that "educated" people, men and women, are drawn to him, having nothing to do with resentments in the workplace.
March 19, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Anti-American? What military service unit did you serve in, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines? A lot of people like to sit around and define what is anti-American with lip-service instead of providing real service to their country. Rev. Wright is a U.S. Marine veteran. If you don't have comparable credentials, it may be wiser to keep one's mouth shut intead of placing one's foot squarely in mouth.
March 19, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right, the God I know is a forgiving God, so what's up with the white bashing spreading hate to our next generation? I happen to be Irish, my greatgrandmother and those before her were slaves to the English..She lived a horrific life until she was able to come to the US. I certainly don't go around bashing English people. She worked her butt of so my grandmother could go to school, and then my mother and then me. We all have choices as Mr Obama pointed out, keep the hate going or move in a different direction. You want change, well, that comes from within each and every one of you. Channel the anger into something awesome, but please don't sit in church on Sunday and call everyone who isn't black names.
March 19, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
One more point and then back to work..Talk IS cheap. What Hillary has been saying all along is that it costs nothing to deliver great speeches. If Obama followers can't turn the speech into reality, can't over come the anger, don't listen to him, then it is just another speech isn't it? Do I want half the angry citizens of the United States representing their hate in the White House? I prefer someone who isn't mired in that hate, someone who has worked for every color citizen, someone with an agenda for everyone. I offer no apologies for voting for Hillary, my once republican husband voted for her, my republican child will vote for her. I even still love the other two who will vote for Obama because I walked the walk, no racial divide in this house.
March 19, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it costs nothing to deliver great speeches, maybe Hillary should give it a try.
March 19, 2008 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speeches are definitely Not her strong suit, her strong suit is the action she takes. How many pieces of legislation has Obama initiated in the last 6 months, has he cosponsored any bills? Has he taken the LEAD in the mortgage crisis, has he done anything to support the troops? Hillary has. She hasn't taken her eye off the senate position. The minute Obama became senator, his eyes left the position as he looked for a higher position. All talk, no action.
March 20, 2008 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
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