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Obama was not a Unifier yesterday. He was a Pied Piper doing damage control.

Obama's call for unity yesterday was not courageous. It was damage control. Besides, we ALL want unity. The question is "HOW?"  Obama didn't answer that with action items because he doesn't know how.

I don't know the solution either. I am not arrogant enough to think I can "change" the country. But I sure do know ways that will NOT unify the country across racial divides. Here are Obama's NON-solutions:

(a) Don't get  "spiritual guidance" from an extremist pastor. It's horrible judgement, repeated over and over for 20 years. And don't defend that choice as if it weren't a choice.

(b) Don't throw your 86 year-old grandmother under the bus of prejudice in order to draw parallels that (don't even) justify your  bad choice of pastor.

(c) Don't respond to claims that your race is helping you succeed in the campaign by lying and saying it is not. Celebrate it, man! Shout to the highest mountains that you are proud that your heritage helps you attract more voters.

(d) Don't go on witch hunts against well-established human rights advocates such as Bob
Kerrey, Geraldine Ferraro, and Bill Clinton. Instead, reach out to them with words of wisdom, not a sharp tongue. Besides, shouldn't a unifier be identifying other fighters for the cause and working with them to fight injustice in America?

Back in January, I was leaning Obama. But he misplayed the race
card back then, and it turned me off. Well, yesterday's speech made it worse. Obama is a Pied Piper, playing a beautiful song that he hopes will lure voters. Ultimately, though, his arrogance and personal ambition prevent him from generating actionable, effective solutions to America's issues of race.


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Strange, these were the exact talking points on Brit Hume's show yesterday.

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Really? Maybe I should start watching him.

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From your comments I can't believe you were ever 'leaning Obama' as you claim.

a) Other than the comments he made that have circulated You-tube, please define extremist and why his pastor is so?

b)How is stating a fact throwing his grandma under the bus?

c) Geez, you really think that race is helping him? I seriously doubt that Hillary is winning the people who admit to voting because of race because it's 'helping him.' And I'm sure singing "I'm black and I'm proud will do him good as well."

d) And the fact that these people did some good in there lives and turn around and make racist or race insensative comments constitutes a witch-hunt? Then what to you call the continued persecution of Wright? Justifyable media lynching?

The issues involved are obviously far too complicated, nuanced, with way too many points of view for you.

a) I don't need to. Obama himself described his pastor's remarks as going too far.

b) I don't think it's appropriate to call out your family like that.

c) You said 'I'm sure singing "I'm black and I'm proud" will do him good as well.' I don't care.
All people, including politicians, should celebrate what makes them unique, without hesitation. I have faith that most Americans won't NOT vote for him for celebrating his heritage.

d) I suspect you and I agree the media went way too far against Wright.

"The issues involved are obviously far too complicated, nuanced, with way too many points of view for you."

Next time, let's discuss the issues, not resort to generic insults. They're boring and unhelpful in discourse.

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To point c) His race has helped him. And hurt him. But, a favorite of Obama supporters, Andrew Sullivan, had this to say about Obama:

"What does he offer? First and foremost: his face. Think of it as the most effective potential re-branding of the United States since Reagan. Such a re-branding is not trivial—it's central to an effective war strategy. The war on Islamist terror, after all, is two-pronged: a function of both hard power and soft power. We have seen the potential of hard power in removing the Taliban and Saddam Hussein. We have also seen its inherent weaknesses in Iraq, and its profound limitations in winning a long war against radical Islam. The next president has to create a sophisticated and supple blend of soft and hard power to isolate the enemy, to fight where necessary, but also to create an ideological template that works to the West's advantage over the long haul. There is simply no other candidate with the potential of Obama to do this. Which is where his face comes in.

Consider this hypothetical. It's November 2008. A young Pakistani Muslim is watching television and sees that this man—Barack Hussein Obama—is the new face of America. In one simple image, America's soft power has been ratcheted up not a notch, but a logarithm. A brown-skinned man whose father was an African, who grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, who attended a majority-Muslim school as a boy, is now the alleged enemy. If you wanted the crudest but most effective weapon against the demonization of America that fuels Islamist ideology, Obama's face gets close. It proves them wrong about what America is in ways no words can."

How can anyone claim that his race has not in a way helped him? Would anyone claim that Hillary's gender hasn't helped her to a degree?

Funny how no one seems offended by Obama's candidness about his imperfect father.

Obama does not celebrate his heritage? We must not be talking about the same Obama.


I never said "Obama does not celebrate his heritage"! Of course, he does. My point, which you either missed or from which you are are trying to distract other readers, is that Obama missed one, important opportunity to celebrate his heritage (and foster Unity) by instead sending Axelrod after Ferraro.

State your case or respond to what folks ACTUALLY said. People who are "right" don't need to resort to sophistry by twisting people's words to make it sound like they said something they did not.

I hope that our next exchange is more pleasant.

Welcome to Talking Points Memo, Denn! Had you heard of us before yesterday? Or is it just that you're not allowed to go to DailyKos anymore?

At any rate, to get you up to speed, check out my recent post.

What attracted me here was the excellent polling summary. I've been reading for about a month or so.

I have not ever been to DailyKos. Why would I not be allowed there?

Denn, I humbly beseech your apologies. Rather than ranting and running, you have fostered here a valuable public discourse that is truly worthy of its place on the most recommended posts. I have known Clinton trolls, and I have worked with Clinton trolls. You, sir, are no Clinton troll, and I consider myself honored to read, and disagree with, your future posts. I look forward to engaging in further dialogue with you in the future.

Man, you're like a guard dog at the entrance to Dear Leader's chambers.

What's your problem?

Was that to me or Allsburg?

That was to me.

Allsburg. Just got displayed the way it did.

Thanks for the clarification -DD

That seems out of character for you Allsburg. It is possible for people to arrive at the same conclusions independently. But I think it would be cool to have someone summarize Hume for us here.

Just pointing out that Denn has never posted a comment or a blog prior to yesterday. For what it's worth.

Sorry, but I've become suspicious.

You're a joke. But I'm sure you don't realize it yet.

The biggest joke about the whole Pied Piper insult is that Bush was Hillary's Pied Piper back in 2002. He played the entire nation and she went along.

As a Hillary supporter, I'm torn about this speech. I thought it was a good speech but it doesn't answer a lot of the questions that people have about Wright and Obama. Instead, it just expands the problem into the more general issue of race. Some call this elevating the conversation and some call it muddying the water. Maybe thats the problem. He wants to be everything when the facts seem to show that he is not everything.

I like your points in C and D, although I don't know how politically realistic it would have been for Obama to celebrate his race during the campaign. But I get the point. What bothers me most of about the whole thing is how the Obama camp accused the Clinton camp of being racist before the Wright thing blew up in their face. I don't know if I will ever be able to forgive them for that.

He is not trying to be everything. He is trying to honestly recognize our problems. We have refused to talk about them for a long time. One thing that is for sure is tht he is addressing problems that others never publicly acknowledge.

What the hell is Obama REALLY supposed to say about Wright?

"I hate the Rev. Wright, and all black people who hold any lingering anger about the terrible injustices that they have suffered in this country's history."

For the last time, he is NOT ENDORSING WRIGHT'S VIEWS. As adults, the senator and his preacher can AGREE TO DISAGREE while remaining friends.

It's a bit demoralizing to see how many people's thought processes are entirely dictated by the 24/7 TV news loops. Additionally, do you think those news loops would accept any 'apology' Obama could make re: Wright? Hell no! They'd just pick into it, and continue the cycle for a few more days until Obama can be painted as a black supremacist.

People, why the hell would he run for president if he agreed with Wright's views about America? This is taking us dangerously close to the Muslim fears that somehow he is a secret agent aiming to sabotage the country's future. Who the hell can honestly believe such things? Have you even MET a black person in your life?

Sorry I'm getting a bit out of control, I'll just end this now. But I can't believe how ready, eager and willing people are to believe the worst about someone for reasons that appear to largely be a result of his skin color.

Yada, yada, yada. So what do you do in your day to day life to bridge the racial divide? Or, are you of the mindset that it's someone else's problem? Hating is easy, being part of a solution is not. Open up your heart and mind, and LISTEN to Barack's message. We are all in this together.
You just said you have no solutions, so why do you criticize what he had to say?

I did listen, and I reread.

I may not have solutions for the country, but I certainly take my own personal role seriously.

I have done a couple of things in my life that I thought would help bridge the divide. But I want to do more. So TELL ME THE SOLUTION, I want to be part of it. I'm still waiting to hear what it is.

Yes. That was my reaction to Obama as well.

Next time, let's discuss the issues, not resort to generic insults. They're boring and unhelpful in discourse.
This little irony sums up the reason people believe you're merely another Clinton Troll and not someone who honestly wants to discuss issues here. The fundamental flaw in your original post is that you argue Obama merely stated the obvious and did not provide a concrete way that the country could purse this lofty goal of healing past racial wounds and bringing about unity.
we ALL want unity. The question is "HOW?" Obama didn't answer that with action items because he doesn't know how.
Funny thing was you summarize the core thesis quite nicely here: To clear a path towards racial unity we need to cease resorting to “generic insults” as they are “boring and unhelpful in discourse.” Instead, “discuss the issues.” Now you’re getting it … I say there’s Hope for you yet Denny ;)

Obama didn't offer any solutions beyond the cathartic moment of casting a vote for him. If he thinks we are out of political solutions he should have said so. As a matter of fact, if he wants to move the country beyond race, and he thinks you can't do that politically, he should leave politics and lead a great social movement. He already has millions of supporters who will dig deep to finance the movement.


Okay, I gotta keep it real: the action of "cathartic" voting may, in and of itself, be part of a solution. I never thought of it this way.

Then again, I suppose there is an equally cathartic vote for Clinton, except it's about gender, and not race.

Hmm...

An excellent point. It may also be about the supreme court for the next 40 years, ending the occupation, getting a leg up on universal healthcare, and fixing the general cluster prank that Bush has made out of the executive branch. Throw in Israel v. Iran and who you want to manage that crisis. Petroleum gone inside 50 years. Clarke's death brought to mind the long dance at the end of Childhood's End. Not the solution I'm looking for.

Billy, aside from a cathartic vote for Senator Clinton, you're not offering me any solutions here for all of those issues you listed. I think you're an empty suit.

Seconded. Anyone can list off issues.

Why will Hillary handle them any better than Obama?

a) What denomination and church do you attend so that we can judge wether you have grounds for this complaint.

b)He did not throw her under the bus. He pointed out that he just like most of us have elders that we love and respect that ocasionaly say things that we and our peirs find ofensive.

c)What do you feel that the ratio of people who vote for him because of his race to the ones who vote against him for the same reason is? I think net it has been a small negative so far. But with his oponents being the ones who keep bringing up race they must think it plays to their advantage.

d)Neither he nor his campaign went on the witch hunts you mention. Most recently he did not go after Ferraro. He laughed her asertions off as rediculous on the face of it. Pundits and people on the internet like me that he has no controll over did go after her (you may read my reaction here http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/tattooed-white-trash-for-obama.php ). It is amazin how suposedly bright Clinton supporters cannot distinguish between the behavior his campaign and actions of others.

The Ferraro story came out on the Monday morning when the Spitzer story came out. There was a link to it on this site. The story didn't get much wind until the Obama camp actively brought it to attention. I think Rice went on MSM and made a stink. Maybe because of Power, I can't really say, but the Obama camp chose to push the story with their grievances.

Larry Geater:

a) Aetheist.

b) We choose our spiritual guides. We don't choose our grandmothers.

c) Perhaps someone can do this kind of poll and statistical analysis as long as the goal is to coe up with a solution.

d) Axelrod called for Ferraro to be fired from the Clinton campaign. (This also follows up airwon)

And if anyone has grounds for complaint it's an atheist. We pretty much have the most marginalized set of beliefs but are expected to tolerate all sorts of inanities when they come out of churches.

Amen (if you'll forgive me) to this.

Not only must we struggle to tolerate all sorts of craptacular bs from religions, we also get to tolerate the fact that most people find it impossible to believe that atheists can be good decent moral people.

a) me to

b) The point is that no one is perfect. There are thousands of hours of Wright seromons available and all they could find were a few minutes of offensive stuff. None of us should be judged by the most offensive thing we ever said and certainly should not be judged by the most ofensive thing a mentor said.

c) So you do not know either but are so sure that being black is a help in gaining votes. The number of black senators, govenors and presidents in our history and currently would argue against that being the case.

d) Then Obama defended her in his speach.

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Not only do you have no answers on how to bridge the racial divide, you are clueless as to what the first step is. Quite a feat considering Obama presented the first step in his speech yesterday. I'd have to conclude you were too lazy or indifferent to really listen.

I must have missed that. What was the first step again?

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to have an honest discussion about the polarized perceptions of racism, prejudice, and discrimination; and to recognize the validity of each of those perceptions which, until Obama's speech, were either expressed in private within our own tribes or screamed past each other in an attempt to gain validity in a zero-sum game of righteous anger.

I guess that might qualify as a 1st step because he wants to have a discussion. However I don't think that saying lets have a discussion is original. We all know that it is a problem and that we should try to see it from the other guys point of view. What does he want to talk about? What kind of policies does he want to implement to correct the problem.

Yes he tries to inspire us to have the discussion, but maybe he should start that discussion. Give us something specific to talk about. But more importantly tell us what he would do as president. I don't think that race is the main issue in these elections but since he brought it up...

Yes he tries to inspire us to have the discussion, but maybe he should start that discussion. Give us something specific to talk about.

Holy shit -did you ask people to take your SAT's for you too?

Obama

1. acknowledged the resentment on both sides of the racial devide and

2. didn't come off as patronizing to either side (a herculean feat in and of itself)

3. posited that each side needs to understand that the resentment felt on either side is real and in some sense justified.

4. and said that we need to start from there

This is classic mediation technique, brilliantly transposed to the national stage. However, the mediator doesn't then have to tell the parties what to say -merely to affirm that it's ok to say it, and to tell the parties to really listen to each other.

Your argument boils down to "lets have a talk" "about what?" "about race" "what about race?" "about how we both feel resentment toward each other because of x and y" "what about how we both feel resentment toward each other because of x and y?" and so on.

I.e. he has started the conversation, you just expect him to read your mind and tell you what you want to say/hear.

well said.

He needs to do more than start the conversation by saying that he wants to talk about, instead he should talk about it. That would give him a lot more credibility as a different kind of politician. It would also be a waste of time for him cause it really is not the issue in this race. As is, he still looks like a conventional politician, trying to save his candidacy by making a speech that is tactically unconventional.

Why would he bring up race now? Because he felt that he had to.

I don't expect that the conversation about race will a pretty conversation. If Obama wants go talk about race, please go right ahead. No one is stopping you.

He needs to do more than start the conversation by saying that he wants to talk about, instead he should talk about it.

Just WTF did you think he was doing with his speech?

Now excuse me I have to go repair the hole I just made in the wall with my forehead.

LOL, hope the wall is OK. Just kidding. I don't think we will agree on this one.

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Celebrate his race? Right, sure. That would be known as the Clinton Dream Strategy. In fact, they like the idea of him as "The Black Candidate" so much that they've been trying to get him to do it since he won in Iowa.

Nothing to see here.

They didn't have to do anything, cause if he already wasn't the "black candidate", Wright and Obama's speech has probably assured him of the tag. We'll just have to wait and see.

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Yes, but Clinton has been trying to do this for a couple of months, to force him into that box. That was the real meaning behind the "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina" quote.

Remains to be seen if the phony Wright controversy does it for her, but she's going to work pretty hard (with the help of Rush et. al.) to keep it going.

Let me put it this way, whether the the Clintons were doing it or not, Obama has had better success doing it. For the good or for the bad.

How dare Obama join a church that reaches out to the community and seeks to make South Side Chicago a better neighborhood.

The audacity to want to remain a member despite his retired preacher making some controversial statements with which he doesn't agree.

Can you believe he would seek to influence those who experienced racism to have hope and recognize that change can happen?

Seeking to understand why one or the other may be angry, fearful, bitter...that is so wrong!

Thank goodness for men like you who can repeat the talking points of rating-seeking pundits on status-quo networks and explain to us the importance of sound bytes. To think I almost let Obama inspire me. I will go back to huddling in the corner chewing on my fingernails and wondering who will answer that 3am phone call.

I was a Clinton supporter until shortly before Super Tuesday. Obama won me over, and I'm still with him despite my chagrin over the Wright controversy. Here's what I hope you'll consider regarding your argument:

(a) Obama's taken the perfect stance advocated by the Christian injunction to "condemn the sin, but love the sinner". Everything about Wright's extremism there is to condemn, he has condemned. But he continues to love Wright as a man who has done much good in the world despite his loopy views. Can you not consider embracing Obama, even if you may disagree with his choice of pastor?

(b) Do you really feel Obama has equated his pastor with his grandmother? Or has he simply given a speech which made a point that racial hatred is real, and illustrated it with examples close to his life? You might consider a more charitable stance. Following Sean Hannity or Brit Hume's talking points is not wise unless you really feel they are admirable journalists

(c) Obama himself never said he thought Ferraro was a racist; in fact, he has previously said that he feels he has gained some votes because of his race, just as Clinton has gained some votes because of her gender. Even if he didn't play the Ferraro controversy very well by having his surrogates go overboard, consider that most Democrats agree with them that her views were poorly worded, at least.

(d) Hasn't Obama done much better at avoiding charges of race baiting than many of his overzealous supporters? His speech condemned his supporters, in fact, for being too quick to pounce on gaffes by the Clinton campaign and calling them racist. He is doing a great deal to calm down the zealots and cool the tempers of everyone confronting the prospect of the first black president. And he's doing a pretty good job for it, on the whole.

Race is a minefield. Give Obama some credit for wading into these difficult waters and giving some wisdom and guidance that will help the nation to heal its divisions. What other politician has stepped so boldly into the racial traps set by US politics, and succeeded half as well?

Obama is virtually certain to be the Democratic nominee. Even if you're not an Obama supporter now, you might consider giving credit where it's due, or at least avoid blaming Obama for the mistakes of others.

Joe,

Regarding your reply for point B.

"(b) Do you really feel Obama has equated his pastor
with his grandmother?"


I don't feel the same outrage that Denn and others have expressed about the grandmother comparison. But I do see the logic and the obvious avenues of attack that will come.

Your grandmother is real family. Wright is chosen family. It brings Obama's judgment into question. Especially for people who are not fully taken by his high flying rhetoric.

Joe, first of all, thanks for such a thoughtful reply. This kind of discourse is what I was looking for.

(a) I am not Christian, but I resonate with the "loving the sinner" idea. You asked, "Can you not consider embracing Obama, even if you may disagree with his choice of pastor?" Yes, absolutely.

(b) I did not know that Hume or Hannity made these points, and they are not reference points for MY words. Individually, I strongly feel that one's living grandmother, who is in poor health no less, is NOT fair game the way Obama talked about her. he should have found other examples that illustrated his point.

(c) Yes, absolutely, on Ferraro's poor wording.

To be clear, my issue is that Obama is claiming leadership in this area but did not demonstrate it when, via Axelrod, he called for Ferraro's firing, or when he called her "ridiculous."

Unity is not a contest between who is right and wrong. The goal is for everybody to be "right" and that means both acknowledging truth AND leading others in conveying truth properly.

This maybe should be a different post, but I question Clinton's leadership on this issue, too. She's not making a big for leading us to Unity, but I think she should. I also want her to say "You know, I was hurt by the way Reverend Wright knocked me for being white in order to sway black parishioners in favor of Senator Obama. But enough is enough on all sides. Let's address the underlying issue of both historical and ongoing racism in America." (Talk about needing "Solutions for America"!)

(d) Excellent point. If I could edit my post, I would express appreciation for this immediate action item of a calmer tone among supporters as a step in the right direction.

Once again, thanks for the insightful reply, and I hope this note back is equally valuable.

Where to start on a thread like this?

Unity is not a contest between who is right and wrong. The goal is for everybody to be "right" and that means both acknowledging truth AND leading others in conveying truth properly.
It seems to me that a speech acknowledging latent forms of racism from both blacks and whites, and calling for a dialogue that moves the US past these differences in the face of those sentiments, rather than faux analysis of the situation caricatured in two-dimensional simplicities designed to scrape away the "market share" of voters and substitute for real efforts in a "gotcha" zero-sum game, fits this cited remark in a way that nothing else seemingly could.

On that basis, I would say that you rebuke your original post. But I could be wrong.

On another level, this thread points out an inescapable reality: the Obama candidacy is based on the idea that Americans can and will step past the facades of the demagogues and media shills, and willingly engage in the hard debates that involve all the nuance, subtlety, and fuzzy incompleteness pundits and pontificators fear and avoid. If this premise is true, this speech is the first step, the first threshold of our nation, in validating that idea. If this premise is false, again this is the first test to invalidate the legitimacy. I fear what invalidation means for the United States, both domestically and internationally.

On the upshot, we're talking, right? :-)

Denn, I think that's part of what is meant when Obama talks about "change." Honest and direct talk, instead of pundits & politicians reducing things to opposed soundbites or polls to yammer over.

From this perspective, he was not "calling out his own family," he was sharing a difficult and personal moment. I mean look, if your own mother says she's afraid of people who look like you, it's going to take you a while to wrap your head around that one, isn't it? So race & history & identity are not so straightforward in America -- which is part of what makes our country great.

And Obama is the only candidate in years who talks seriously about this.

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What other politician has stepped so boldly into the racial traps set by US politics, and succeeded half as well?

Um, Shirley Chisholm?

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How about Barbara Jordan or Mickey Leland, both of whom I had the distinct pleasure of voting for? Never, ever would I have characterized either of them as an empty suit. Obama's just isn't even in the same league with them.

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Denn

good post

well done

thank you

For the nay-sayers, tell me of any other speech in the last 20 years from a President or Presidential candidate of the caliber of Obama's yesterday in both substance and depth. Please. Just tell me what you're comparing to ass you diss it.

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Since you asked,

http://www.afn.org/~dks/race/clinton-e6.html

Bill Clinton, October 16, 1995 (the same day as the "million man March")

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Thanks Denn. I have to agree. Also, I find it a bit crazy how some people jump to the conclusion that you're a Hillary "troll" just because you have some criticism of Obama. Just because one supports another candidate (not sure if you do) does not make that person a troll. Not nearly as bad at TPM as it is on DailyKos, but in my eyes it's a huge negative on the progressive blogosphere in general. That kind of attitude reminds me of behavior commonly coming from right-wingers - very disappointing.

I used to come to blogs to get criticism of all candidates--times have changed, you have to be a "supporter" of a certain candidate now. (The last time I was a "supporter" was when I was 14, Gene McCarthy.)

Blogs used to be an alternative to media slant, now they are encouraging slant, shouting at each other WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON? I'm on MY side, the side of me trying to figure the news out. To steal from Andrew Sullivan, who has now gone whole hog "supporter" and no longer deserves his own masthead anyways: of no party or clique. Who I vote for (never wholeheartedly "support" because I expect them to differ from campaign promises and expectations) is a private matter, that's why we have voting booths. I actually don't get people who want to share the news of their vote with the whole world.

The invasion of the journalist blogosphere by political activism is growing outrageous, there are few spin-free zones left. I don't give a damn who you all "support," it's not going to change my mind who someone else "supports," what I want to know is do any of you have any useful information? I never spent much time at DKos because it was all about "support" and "activism". This is not what I have ever been looking for, I'm looking for journalism. It's really gotten quite sickening how many "followers" selling "leaders" have populated every nook and cranny of the blogosphere.

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artappraiser,

I couldn't agree more. I have been an avid reader of progressive blogs for a few years now - it started out with my frustration of the turmoil that Bush was causing and the lack of actual media coverage of it. I thought to myself, wow - hear is something I've wanted all along - people who really look to expose the truth and do the job that the media isn't. The media was bending over for the Republicans and slanting stories to support some agenda.

I can't express my disappointment enough on how most "progressive" blogs have adopted a similar agenda of supporting one particular candidate and creating an environment where people who dissent from that view gets insulted. I have to say, my first thought when moveon.org endorsed Obama was "wow, these guys are getting too big for their britches". Then I saw Kos following suit - this was a bit more disappointing. Each time I read his posts now I feel like he's getting more and more cocky. What used to be a forum for a "progressive agenda" now is more a forum for electing Obama. It's cutting out and dividing the previously larger community. Then pretty much all the blogs followed suit - Huffington Post, etc. TPM hasn't been AS bad about it. I'd say that Atrios and Digby meanwhile have been wonderfully more neutral. Personally, I look for blogs to do the job that our media doesn't - dig for truth in politics and tell news and provide observations that you can't find on CNN. Lately it's been feeling like they have just been an extension of the MSM, and many of the posters here are taking out their frustration on their own. Not good....

Sethcohen,

I understand your frustration at the splintering of the liberal blogosphere into factions but aside from the ordinary entropy pulling all "groups" that way I have to say that in this case there is a simple reason. And it doesn't sound nice but it's true: It's Hillary's fault.

Now before the "Hillaroids" declare a fatwa, let me say that this argument has a reasonable foundation.

The delegate math is against her -it's a simple fact. Therefore the only way she can make up her delegate defecit is by a super-delegate coup. She can't do that without causing a huge uproar splitting the party and possibly dooming our chances against McBush in November. The longer she stays in the race the closer she brings us to this uproar. Moreover, every day she stays in the race she shows that she is less and less concerned about that possibility.

She is a great and strong candidate and would make a fine president, but the numbers have simply doomed her this time.

I was an Edwards supporter, the numbers were even more against him, and he still had enough of a presence that had he stayed in the race, he could have done the same kind of damage to both of the other candidates. If he had remained in the race despite the numbers being against him and without another reason for doing so (say-to promote a pet issue) then I would have eventually had to reach the same conclusion about him -that he didn't really care about the damage he was inflicting on the party and that he really didn't care much about how he was hurting our chances against McBush.

So of course as the Obama supporters see Hillary adopt a "never say die" attitude and feel that that attitude is not only hurting their candidate, but the party's chances in November, their attacks against Hillary have become more intense, leading inevitably to more intense counter-attacks, and this naturally plays itself out in the blogosphere both in posts and comments.

Don't give up on the medium simply because the message is currently distasteful. This will eventually iron itself out, and hopefully before the fractures become permanent. But even if they do -it'll just be the natural course.

What happened in 2004 is that the community got behind Kerry and spent a lot of time generating links on issues and campaigns. A lot of letter writing and some activist stuff like getting letters of protest into the public file of TV stations that ran the swiftboat doc. I expect to see the blogs and threads here morph into that mode once we select a candidate.

There is a sense of community here, but of a divided community still.

Communal, Ideological, Combative -- Harold Rosenberg's definition of an avant garde.

I salute you all.

Thanks, Seth. Obviously, I am not a troll, but I understand the quick reaction of a few of the respondents to my post. After all, (1) trolls really do cloud up the blogosphere, (2) Trolls hunt each other. LOL. (3) It's always tempting to overapply generalized feelings to specific people.

(Incidentally, isn't that what racism is? It's just that in that case, the generalized feeling is inherently wrong.)

Sorry about what I said earlier. It's obvious that you are no troll. I was suspicious because you are new, and we've seen a lot of new people who have just come over to our site to yell at and insult Obama supporters. But that's clearly not you. Sorry.

Don't worry about it.

If you could do me a favor and just say "My mistake—not a troll" or something simply in reply to your first message that would rock. If not, don't sweat it.

See you around.

A couple of interesting comments along the same lines from Chicagoans: here on Golis' main page thread.

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"Back in January, I was leaning Obama. But he misplayed the race
card back then, and it turned me off. Well, yesterday's speech made it worse."

I am not going to personally attack you or call you a troll. I just want you to tell me how Obama misplayed the race card in January and what it means to misplay the race card, in general.

Personally, I think the speech was quite effective and though he perhaps intended some damage control [and why wouldn't he?] I think he also intended to clarify his views on his own racial identity as well as race in general. I do not think he threw his grandmother under the bus, I think it was clear he was making a point about prejudice and bigotry and each of our own proximity to it and how we deal with that in human relationships with loved ones.

As a man of mixed race [white mother, black father] I was personally moved by the speech in that it so perfectly--or as perfect as is possible-- characterized the inner struggle of what it is like to be biracial. It was quintessentially biracial. I certainly could identify with it. Sure there were political aims, but I am not so cynical to believe that it was simply purely politically driven or calculated. [In fact, Obama strikes me as far less calculated as his Democratic opponent, which is one of the reasons that I would prefer he answer the phone at 3 am].

Further, the only one who would be in a position to make that judgment [that he was somehow unfair in his treatment of his grandmother] is his grandmother. I am going to assume that she was ok with it until she says otherwise.

Another facet of this Wright "controversy" that has bothered me--in fact it is the main facet that bothers me-- is the mischaracterization of both Trinity UCC and Jeremiah Wright. He is not an extremist. Snippets of a few sermons in which he was passionate and critical of US foreign policy or in which he crudely compared Clinton and Obama's life experiences--or in which he was arguably insensitive to 9-11 victims does not in my view make him an extremist. It makes him unafraid to share unpopular opinions. It might make him as I said insensitive. It might make him ballsy. It might make him crude. It might make him angry at that moment, perhaps justifiably. But it doesn't make him an extremist in my view. It takes far more than that. I'd really like someone to explain to me what the "extreme" view is. That this country has racism? That this country's foreign policy has at times not always been kind to others in other places? That Hillary may not know what it is like to have experienced racism first hand?

And whether his race is helping him is a matter of some debate. I suspect that there are far more people in this country who would not support him due to his race, whether consciously or subconsciously, than would support him due to his race.

And can you clarify for me what exactly you meant by this:
"(d) Don't go on witch hunts against well-established human rights advocates such as Bob
Kerrey, Geraldine Ferraro, and Bill Clinton. Instead, reach out to them with words of wisdom, not a sharp tongue. Besides, shouldn't a unifier be identifying other fighters for the cause and working with them to fight injustice in America?"

First of all, what did he say about Bill that would be characterized as a witch hunt? And Bob Kerrey? And should he have simply ignored Ferraro's racially insensitive at worst and ill conceived at best comments? Comments which she made 20 years ago about another black candidate?

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telling me that Wright helped him find Jesus as his savior, tells me that he is incredibly naive or thinks that we are incredibly naive. Bush should have taught us how much help Jesus Christ is to running the country. Obama is right, that racism is not the most important issue. It's only an issue, because he is black and that's the wrong reason. There are a lot of minority groups who trust a 'white man' more than some other minority because they mistakenly see the white guy as less likely to cater to a particular minority. And then there is white minority who support white men like Bush, because he lets them cheat and rob and he bails them out when they get in trouble.

Was it Jesus that got us into this mess? The problem is probably not the candidates, but we, the people, who are happier when they can fill in the blanks based on their intuition, rather than try to understand how these guys will fill in the blanks. We are attracted to perceived "cool", rather than "shrill" intellect.

We know a lot more on how Hillary will fill in the blanks, so it's easier to love or to hate her. Not that we know nearly enough, the game is to answer the hard questions with platitudes that sound like something you might believe in.

I think I know enough about Obama to vote for him, but I'm not happy about how little he is willing to give up.

It's a bitch to keep 300 million happy.

ghalmos, Obama has written two books and has a handy, concise pdf on his website that explains how he "fills in the blanks". He has been an advocate of transparency in government -- you can easily search for his record and pertinent personal details, both in his words or others', and reach an informed decision.

The information is there, not burried or hidden in any way, and he's giving you the benefit of the doubt that you'll seek it out before passing a judgment for or against him.

It's up to you whether or not you follow through.

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'Don't get "spiritual guidance" from an extremist pastor.'

The only thing extreme is the limited range of political viewpoints espoused by all of the Dem/Rep candidates save Paul/Kucinich/Gravel.
(See http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries_2008.png)

You would do well to look at the truly wide range of viewpoints (political, spiritual or otherwise) promoted throughout the globe rather than judge this speech on the narrow orthodoxy of mainstream US standards.

If the USA were an isolated country, maybe that would be OK. But the US imposes its will on the entire globe.

Very astute. I've always been troubled by the fact that Obama saw the fact that more Americans believe in angels than in evolution as an opportunity rather than a disgrace.

No, that is not the "extremism" I am talking about. I AGREE with Wright, though much less strongly, that:
(a) We still must combat racism in America and
(b) Americans must better remember their responsibilities as citizens of the world.

To clarify: by "extremism", I am referring primarily to the choice of language. Also, I don't think extremism is in general bad; I just think that a possible future president of the USA needs to represent his call for Unity with less controversial choices.

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What this response to the speech and the others I've read tells me is that a lot of people just flat don't understand what Obama was saying.

I don't know whether it's because of a certain cultural myopia or because they're reading it as a partisan looking for flaws to attack rather than ideas to illumination.

But I know that all of you who like me saw the brilliance in this speech, know that Obama said something very different than these people think he said.

And I know it's frustrating to see beautiful, thoughtful sentiments twisted and maligned into something ugly.

But I urge Obama supporters who get it to have patience with those who don't. I remember in college when issues of race erupted on campus and blacks protested what they felt was unfair treatment. I reacted with anger. I felt attacked. It was years and a better understanding of history before I was able to see things from the other point of view.

I think a lot of people go through a similar journey to reach understanding on such things and you have to be understanding of where people are at.

And that, of course, was exactly Obama's message: this is where the African American community is at, but it's not where they have to stay and most importantly, it's not where he wants his community to be -- lost in a blind anger.

And whites are where they are at, resentful of being blamed for things they feel they didn't do.

He condemns neither and embraces both even as he asks both to try to understand each other's point of view.

Among the many things that you, Denn, as well as Billy Glad and a host of Hillary supporters don't understand, is that Obama's campaign isn't based on him offering the solution to the country's problems.

Traditional politicians like Hillary do that, telling us what they're going to give us, telling us how they will fix everything.

And it's silly. No one person can do that much, even if they are the president. The system is too big, too calcified, too entrenched.

So, although he does have his policy proposals and ideas, Obama mostly -- and particularly on this issue of race is calling on us to change the country ourselves.

All he can do is help create an environment where it becomse more possible and by talking about things openly that we never talk about in this country because it's been kind of taboo, I think he's taken a big step toward creating that environment. The question is whether we take it to discuss our differences or continue to throw judgements at each other.

Obama posed a particular question that I'd like to know your answer to. In effect, he asked,

Are you willing to try to understand the sources of anger that lead to the kind of attitudes that Wright and apparently a fair swath of the AA community have toward America, or are you just going to blindly condemn it in the unrealistic hope that your anger can quench their anger?

WE ARE THE CHANGE WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!

Well said, thank you.

Friend, thanks for your note. We are having a disconnect, and I think I can explain why.

Polya and many researchers outline Problem Solving as follows:
Step 1: Understanding the Problem.
Step 2: Devise a Plan.
Step 3: Carry out the plan.
Step 4: Look Back (and if needed, go back to Step 1.)

The big questions you state are really important ones: they are part of Step 1. Yes, Obama Understands the Problem, and states it eloquently. But so do I, and so do you I suspect, and so do most Americans, I think. We already know about the anger. We know that Unity is the goal (and not just with race). But we are rearing to move on to Step 2: Devise a Plan.

And that is why I ask Obama "HOW?" and why I point out what I feel are non-Plans.

The next President must provide leadership at ALL FOUR STAGES of problem solving for every major problem America faces. Campaign season is all about Steps 1 and 2, with Steps 3 and 4 coming later.

Working from our shared understanding of the problem of Unity, what does Obama recommend for Step 2? What is his PLAN to create Unity? Blogger Joe Perez points to Obama's call for restraint and calmer tone. That's an important precondition for what I want Obama (and Clinton and McCain, too) to do next: provide leadership in brainstorming, proposing, collecting, and sifting through possible plans.

We have been trying to promote awareness for decades, but that plan has been an incomplete solution to the problem of Unity. Let's either Devise a new Plan.

The core of Obama's platform is that WE are the change we are looking for. What he said yesterday in his speech was so brave, so refreshing in its message of individual responsibility, so ground-breaking...but I really wonder how many people didn't get it, or will take awhile to get it.

So, in respect to your problem-solving strategy:

Step 1: Understanding the Problem.
Step 2: Devise a Plan.
Step 3: Carry out the plan.
Step 4: Look Back (and if needed, go back to Step 1)

1) Yes, I think Obama clearly does understand the problem. From all sides of the equation.

2) The plan? The plan, though nuanced, was laid out in his speech. WE have to stop and think and understand where the 'other guy' is coming from, and to also take responsibility for our own thoughts and actions. HE cannot do that for us. One person cannot solve all of the ills of society, even if he or she is the president. But he can open our eyes and lead us to the water. Now, whether or not we actually take action is our responsibility.


3) Carrying out the plan? Well, that's up to us, isn't it? Again, he can only lead us to the water. We're the ones who are going to have to actually take the drink.

4) Look back: we'll be looking back on this speech, and its aftermath, for a long time. Maybe we'll have to revisit #1, maybe not. But the groundwork is laid.

You seem like a thoughtful, intelligent individual. If you don't agree with what I've said here, that's okay, but I know that you've at least thought about it, and that's all anyone can ask.

This is good dialogue. Thanks for it. :-)

I enjoy how you adapted your response to the framework of Polya’s 4 steps. We completely agree about Steps 1, 3, and 4. We also agree that Step 2 involves, at least, taking personal responsibility for our thoughts and actions.

Please see my response to Joe Perez below, where I wove in response to some of your comments about Step 2, which he also focused on.

In addition to the items folks mentioned about Obama's proposed plan, I felt Obama clearly stated that we need to address economic disparities to help heal racial divisions. People of all colors need to work together on creating educational opportunies as well as ensure that there is economic security for struggling communites, again across all racial categories. Once you understand the issue and can discuss it then you build a coalition based on common interests, which different races really do share, despite the polarization that asserts itself when polarizatoin proves an advantage to powerful people and/or interests.

Exactly, he called for moving forward together to address the problems from which we are currently suffering: poor schools, lack of health care, lack of good jobs. I just don't understand the "he never laid out a plan" line of argument. The whole point is understanding what has and is dividing us, and moving forward to address the problems that affect us all.

I was extremely impressed with his speech and it has turned the tide for me. I considered it INCREDIBLE grace under pressure and I did not BEGIN listening as a FAN!
Give credit where it is due. I personally consider it one of the finest speeches I've heard in my lifetime.

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How convenient for Obama that his Grandmother is not around to respond to his attack on her Honor.
Someone should speak out, perhaps her Grandson could... Oh I forgot...never mind.

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give it a rest. this objection distorts what he was saying and i really fail to understand the relevance. is this supposed to convince me that he's desperate enough to cast his loved ones to the wolves as soon as it's politically expedient? why didn't he jettison Wright then? Whatever, no one escapes political expediency completely, but even if his grandmother was embarrassed, how does that stack up with Hillary's vote for Bush's imperialist war? or her vote against the ban on using cluster bombs in civilian areas so as not to seem weak on national security? can we not get carried away by the absolutely insignificant? please?

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To brand Wright as an extremist and dismiss him is to play the zero sum game of the pundits--you seize on what he said and focus on it to the exclusion of any attempt to understand him or his motivations. Obama's whole point in his speech is that this way of thinking (and reporting) does nothing to promote dialogue and only furthers the illusion of a world without any complexity (the Bush world), only the grim either/or logic of an episode of 'cross fire'. In the Bush world, Jeremiah Wright is reduced to one soundbite from one sermon and the complex figure who has done decades of laudable work for his community in Chicago disappears behind a two-dimensional caricature. As far as the "how" goes, shocking us out of the Bush world is a good start by itself, even if it weren't accompanied with a raft of specific policy proposals (which have long been available on his website, and which are at least as concrete as anything put forward by Hillary). I for one have difficulty remembering the last time a politician spoke to us as if we were adults and described a world that I could actually recognize as something like reality. Frankly, I began supporting Obama largely because of his record on the war and on foreign policy, because I was tired of seeing the writers and politicians who went along with Bush's illegal and imperialist invasion of Iraq rewarded with promotions and votes. I initially viewed his calls for change as the mere electioneering it almost always is when politicians promise it. But seeing him deliver speeches like this one that call on us to recognize the complexity of the world and to strive for understanding and comprehension of even those positions that seem unpalatable to us is starting to convince me that he really can help us move towards a different politics, and out of the Bush world.


Believe me, I am not playing the zero sum game game at all. Look at what words I put in bold face. Despite the angry title, my post is really about PROBLEM SOLVING.

My response above to Common Dreamer, who had similar concerns, lays some additional groundwork for my post and addresses many of your comments by focusing on problem solving. I hope you'll have time to read it.

Love the people (including a few editorialists today and the above poster) who are so offended on behalf of Obama's grandmother. Are you all sure she hasn't authorized him to talk about awkward racial issues in their family that make him cringe? You must have superior knowledge to mine, because you've formed a conclusion that entails that she did not permit it.

Or is it mean for a black boy, after he grows up, to acknowledge somewhat euphemistically that his white grandma said things that made him ashamed of who he is -- one of those scary black folks she'd cross the street to avoid? I've never been black (I'm just a white guy whose uncle and grandpa taught him that black nuts are called N-----toes), but it's great to know that it's fair to form conclusions like that about his experiences in race.

But he shouldn't use them in public. What illogic.

Being offended on her behalf is not party to my argument. I feel that nobody should publicly "out" anybody, let alone loved ones.

Thanks for the post.

Even with permission?

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"his arrogance and personal ambition"

That is quite a laugh coming from a Hillary Clinton supporter.

And gee golly, Gomer, why didn't he have a 12 point plan to fix racial problems in America. See he is just words and not actions. Not like Hillary the magic worker...

Denn:

We know that Unity is the goal (and not just with race). But we are rearing to move on to Step 2: Devise a Plan.

And that is why I ask Obama "HOW?" and why I point out what I feel are non-Plans.

I don't see this as a failing of Obama's. On issues that require a federal government PLAN, he has offered quite detailed plans. Health care and immigration, for example.

But on the issue of taking the country forward in race relations, no federal government PLAN is needed. Obama's position, as I see it, is that unity is not merely a "goal" that has to be forwarded according to a "plan", but that unity is our condition, in fact, as an American people. Therefore the problems like race that seem to divide us are illusory when our true national identity is understood. The solution, therefore, is a proper understanding of our unity. Understanding that we are united helps us to realize who we are as a people, and therefore the role of our leaders is to remind us of who we are, and our potential for unity, and inspire us to understand our role properly. It's a cognitive issue -- raising the collective consciousness -- and he's doing it, by virtue of who he is, what he says, and the campaign that he's running.

You see, in Obama's political philosophy, overcoming differences (e.g., racial divides) is essential because it empowers us to move beyond the false issues to truly important issues -- Obama's social and economic progressive agenda. Moving past race is valuable because it allows us to enact health care reform, cut the deficit, save US jobs, etc.

Thanks to everyone for their comments. This was a busy day for me reading, thinking, responding, etc. Most of the responses were respectful, and I plan to stick around, posting comments from time to time, maybe even another blog post or two.

This is my last reply to comments, and it’s mostly in response to integrity and Joe who made important, valuable comments about “Step 2.” We agree that personal responsibility is a key ingredient, and that people can be encouraged to take that responsibility by inspiring leaders.

I disagree on two points.

1. Yes, you are absolutely right, (inherent) Unity can help us promote the progressive agenda. But, the reverse is even more true: One of the the progressive agenda’s main PURPOSES is to support Unity. Both need to grow together.

2. Obama has unquestionably raised the consciousness of many individuals. But the GENERAL causation is reversed: Collective consciousness built a platform for his voice. Many of us feel there are serious limitations to Obama's ability to inspire those who do not already resonate with him. We even sense a smugness or dismissiveness from Team Obama (even here on TPM) that doesn't match their Message of Unity and Change.

HOWEVER.............

I will say that regardless of what he comes to the table with NOW, this whole process is probably one of the most educational of Obama’s entire lifetime (likewise for Clinton). Our dialogue today does give me some hope that we will all come out of this fortified, more knowledgeable, better prepared, and with our sleeves rolled up to do some hard work together.

I've read a lot of criticism of Obama for bringing up his grandmother, even, some say, conflating her with Wright. But look at it this way - Wright may have said some inflammatory stuff about whites (US of KKKA) and surely, if Obama heard it, he grimaced, because he was raised by a white mother and grandparents and knew them to be good people. He obviously shows know signs of hostility or aggression towards white, and I believe much of it has to do with his upbringing.

But in America, Obama is not white, he is black. That is how our country defines itself. So when he is a teenager, and is coming to grips with how the country has chosen and will continue to define him, he sees the world a little differently. And to hear his own grandmother express racist fears of black men - and Obama is a black man! - must be an incredibly painful feeling. To our ears it might not conflate with Wright, but to his ears, to hear his own grandmother, who raised him, express that she fears black men, men like Barack Obama, I mean, cut the guy some slack. Have any of us felt that kind of pain from a family member?

What I was most struck by in this speech was that it seemed incredibly honest. I agree that he did not offer solutions but sometimes just the airing of grievances is a solution in itself.

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Denn, I think your ideas and concerns are spot-on. I think the way you worded your original post skews in an unintentionally hot direction. Perhaps that was intentional at first, but your responses to people throughout the thread are remarkably gentle and calm. A very different style from the OP.

You are not wrong about how not to bridge the racial divide in this country. What you needed to articulate, I think, is that Obama hasn't quite successfully reconciled his earth-bound deeds with his lofty words. I believe he still hasn't managed to do that (reconcile deeds and words) even with his race speech. I think throwing grandma under the bus is indicative of this: His words become his actions.

Some of us suspect there has to be more than words. Others don't think so.

My two cents, meant as encouragement not criticism. I hope you write more posts.

Thanks for your perceptive comments. I appreciate that you are reflecting back to me a little. I think you are right on all counts: tone, content, and my omission.

Maybe this experience will lead Obama to a greater alignment of word and deed. Now THAT would be Change I could believe in, too! ;-)

Good night all.

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Well I'm going to adress your comments.

a)Rev. Wright went to far on a few occasions. That dosen't mean he is an extremist, a racist, anti-white, or anti-american. He served his country and his community. He may have gotten caught up in the moment in a few of his sermons. Dosen't make him a bad person or Obama a bad person for knowing him. It makes him human.

b)I fail to see how he threw his grandmother under the buss as you claim. I think you are thinking about the racist and prejudice statements that your grandmother said and how you would never admit to the public.

c) In case you didn't know black people before Obama have ran for president. It didn't work out to well for them. To question or even act like you know why blacks didn't vote for Jesse jackson, but did Vote for Obama makes you seem a little arrogant yourself.

d) Obama never spoke a word about the people you mention. Obama supporters and the media. I found the comments of both Geraldine Ferraro and Bill Clinton lack racial sensitivity. However Obama never condem or called these people out. I still like Bill Clinton, but Geraldine Ferraro is a screw up. She said the same thing about Jesse Jackson and in her political career she was always looking for a fight.

I believe youw as leaning towards Obama when he was wining, but I believe you like most people are bailing on his campaign at the first hint of trouble.

I predict in time that Denn and many others will look back at Obama's campaign and leadership during this nomination process with increasing respect and admiration. Maybe even in time to change their vote.

The outrage and judgment of Obama on this issue is to a large extent fake and driven by the media. It is sad to see some Democrats using it as a last ditch effort to trash Obama so Hillary can steal the nomination. One would think those with real concerns around this issue would want to have a dialog about it and welcome the opportunity to explore it in a larger context. Denn, I didn't appreciate the original post but your replies helped generate a good conversation. Thanks.

yeah, well, chew on this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

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good post with lots of great points. well done.

The Pied Piper did get rid of the rats.

ZING!

I love this new line that seems to be claiming that Obama threw a white hood over his grandma and outed her as a member of the Aryan Nation.

He was connecting with something we all face if we have older white American relatives -- on the Archie Bunker scale of bigotry they usually range from five all the way to ten.

My family's business for the longest time would not hire blacks. Just wouldn't. In the '90s they hired their first, a woman who, my aunt said with amazement "is so polite!"

My father wouldn't hire Hispanics "because they'll knife you." And there was that time he called one of my favorite black musicians the N word.

But I dealt with it. Can't stand some of my family's flaws, certainly don't agree with their conservative Republicanism, but they're family. I don't reject them, I love the cranky bunch.

Obama honestly connected with that by sharing his grandmother's little twinges of bigotry. She might have been embarrassed (is she still alive?) and mortified. But in his message was that in spite of that, he loved her.

So don't disingenuously simplify this as "throwing her under the bus of prejudice."

For a long time prejudice was openly displayed. This has not been a case for a long time. That does not mean that prejudice is gone; it is just expressed in private. This change makes it difficult to have an honest discussion about prejudice, because everyone's experience is different. The public conversation of race has been empty of content, since it focused on public acts, which have been so sporadic that very few can connect with them in a personal way.

The only way to talk about anything concrete is to talk about one's experiences. By talking about his grandmother, Obama brought out his own experiences. Since the talk, I have spoke with at least 10 people who have shared with me similar private comments by family members, and I have done me the same. My own father-in-law has made lynching jokes about blacks. This conversation is constructive.

The only way to advance the conversation on race is to talk about these private moments. It may be uncomfortable, but it is the only way for the race conversation to be meaningful again.

Maybe Obama knows that his pastor is not bigger than his church. His church is his family, his pastor is a member of that family. He doesn't have to agree with every member of the church, or even it's leader, in order to get value from it and the good deeds that they perform in the community.

We all have a leader named George Bush. I don't see you fleeing to Canada because you don't like what he says.

Not a perfect analogy, but I hope you understand the point.

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Great discussion, but I wanted to add one point for those claiming Obama isn't presenting a plan of action: go to his website. There's a 60 page booklet of things he'd like to accomplish and its detailed and boring enough that if Obama had put it into this speech, the audience would have been asleep.

No, you won't find "create racial harmony" as a sub-section. But the first few steps towards that goal are all in there: Education reform, universal medical care, protecting social security. I think Obama is spot on in saying that once you remove Americans' fear of getting trampled and forgotten by the system, they'll look at their fellow citizens in a much brighter light.

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As the mother of a biracial child, I was filling in automatically, what was left unsaid in the speech, whilst the speech was made.

American needs to claim responsibility for all of its children. We cannot afford to deny any of them. Part of African American anger is the knowledge that most of them are the descendents of both white and black Americans and that their white grandparents abandoned, abused, and enslaved their own children.

More subtext; One does not abandon those one loves, family is esbalished more than just by blood, and that his family, whatever its failures, did not include the abandonment of it's African American child. Abandonment is a profoundly destructive action. It can only be ameliorated when we embrace all of our children, our family, no matter how much we would like to throttle them occasionally.

Obama has had several very successful careers. One of them was as a teacher at the University of Chicago. A good teacher provides guidance and information but s/he does not tell students all the answers, Learning happens best when students find their own way to the right answers. This lesson Obama started, is not finished. It's a full on course of study.

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I'm not sure I would say that Obama threw his granny under a bus. What he was saying was that all of us, even the most open hearted, have difficulties with race. I'm sure his grandmother and her cronies can live with that.

I will out my own family here and say that my 70-year-old southern mom, no stranger to the racial epithet, nearly caused me to faint when she told me she would be voting for Obama. She didn't even seem to think there was a real choice. So Obama might not have bridged the racial divide across the entire US, but in the minds of many people he definitely has. I call that progress.

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/religion_theseeker/2008/03/is-rev-jeremiah.html#more

Theologians add that much of the recent tension stems from two quite different vocabularies. When Wright proposed "God Damn America" as an alternative to the song "God Bless America," religion professor Sandy Martin at the University of Georgia did not hear any anti-American sentiment.

"What came to mind was somebody who sees himself as God’s servant, one who is duty bound to give God’s word and sometimes that word is chastising," said Martin, an ordained Baptist minister. "Every nation including the U.S. is under the judgment of God and I think it’s easy for that to be misunderstood by people who are not used to that mode of addressing the issue. Sometimes the literal words are not exactly what is being conveyed."

Just as Obama suggested in his speech, those who heard Wright’s sermons in their entirety agree the snippets taken out of context would make anyone cringe. For many, a crash course in vocabulary and history is needed to interpret Wright’s statements.

Rev. Linda Thomas, an ordained United Methodist minister and seminary professor, has worshiped at Trinity for many years.

"If one heard the entire sermon as I did, one would know that the title of the sermon was ‘The Day Jerusalem Fell,’ she said. "When he was saying ‘God Damn America,’ he was just saying God was going to hold America accountable for its actions. That’s what damn means—accountability."

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Dear Denn:
See my comments in caps in your text.
Obama's call for unity yesterday was not courageous. YOU DON’T ARGUE THIS POINT, SO IT’S DIFFICULT TO RESPOND DIRECTLY TO YOU, BUT ALMOST ALL COMMENTATORS ARGUE THAT IT WAS COURAGEOUS RELATIVE TO SAYING NOTHING, ALLOWING THE PROBLEM TO DISSIPATE. MOREOVER, IT WAS COURAGEOUS INASMUCH AS RACE IS A THIRD RAIL OF POLITICS IT'S SO RISKY TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE THERE IS SUCH HEATED CONTROVERSY ABOUT EVERY SUBISSUE. ANYTHING ONE MIGHT SAY CAN CREATE A NEW REASON TO ATTACK AND DAMAGE. It was damage control. THIS IDEA MISSES THE POINT THAT THIS WAS A ONCE IN HISTORY KIND OF SPEECH, AS ALMOST ALL COMMENTATORS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CLINTON/OBAMA FENCE HAVE SAID. HE DIDN’T JUST EXPLAIN HIS RELATIONSHIP TO WRIGHT, WHICH COULD BE CONSIDERED THE DAMAGE CONTROL IN THE SPEECH, ALTHOUGH I’D RATHER SAY THAT IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO DEEPEN OUR NATION’S UNDERSTANDING OF RACIAL STRIFE, TO ENABLE US TO LOOK BEYOND THE LEVEL OF RACIALLY LOADED ANGER ON BOTH SIDES, TO SEE THE CAUSES OF THE ANGER RATHER THAN JUST BRANDING PEOPLE AS TOO RADICAL OR THREATENING. Besides, we ALL want unity. NO, WE DON’T ALL REALLY WANT UNITY; WE AREN’T GOING FOR IT, TRYING TO CREATE IT AS HE IS; HILLARY WANTS TO FIGHT; THAT’S HER STATED METHOD FOR LEADING THOSE OF US ON THE LEFT TO ACCOMPLISH OUR ENDS. LIKE SO MANY OLD STYLE LIBERALS, SHE IS SO DEMORALIZED ABOUT ACTUALLY GETTING THROUGH TO PEOPLE WITH WHOM SHE DISAGREES, THAT SHE DOESN'T CULTIVATE CONTEMPORARY METHODS FOR CREATING UNITY. SHE'S OLD SCHOOL, WHICH WILL LEAD US BACK TO WHERE WE ARE, MIRED IN 51-49 PERCENT POLITICS AND MORE OF THE KIND OF STALEMATING VITRIOL THAT PERVADED HER HUSBAND'S STAY IN OFFICE. The question is "HOW?" Obama didn't answer that with action items because he doesn't know how. HIS FAILURE IN THE SPEECH WAS HIS FAILURE TO ADEQUATELY FLAG OR HIGHLIGHT HIS PROPOSAL, HIS ACTION ITEM. HIS ACTION ITEM IS TO PROMOTE AND USE A METHOD FOR SOLVING PROBLEMS, ONE THAT DEPENDS EXCLUSIVELY ON PROFOUND LEVELS OF RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE WITH WHOM ONE DISAGREES. THIS METHOD IS AT THE HEART OF THE METHOD ADVOCATED BY SOME OF THE MOST SOPHISTICATED INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS EXPERTS IN THE WORLD. FOR INSTANCE, JAMES BLIGHT AT BROWN U. ADVOCATES “DEPLOYING REALISTIC EMPATHY,” WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT OBAMA DID IN THIS SPEECH AND WHAT HE INTENDS TO DO IN SYRIA AND IRAN. IF YOU DON’T CAREFULLY AND RESPECTFULLY UNDERSTAND THE OTHER GUY’S POSITION, YOU CANNOT FIGURE OUT HOW TO REACH HIM. THAT’S FUNDAMENTAL, AND CLINTON DOESN’T SEE IT. SHE’S A FIGHTER.

I don't know the solution either. I am not arrogant enough to think I can "change" the country. But I sure do know ways that will NOT unify the country across racial divides. HERE IS THE DEMORALIZATION I SPOKE OF ABOVE, AND YOU ONLY ARE STUCK IN IT BECAUSE YOU JUST HAVEN'T BEEN PRIVY TO THE KIND OF PROBLEM-SOLVING METHOD OBAMA HAS IN MIND. Here are Obama's NON-solutions:

(a) Don't get "spiritual guidance" from an extremist pastor. It's horrible judgement, repeated over and over for 20 years. And don't defend that choice as if it weren't a choice. I THINK YOU’RE MISSING THE POINT HE MADE ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS PASTOR. HE SAID THAT THE MAN IS COMPLEX AND CAN’T BE REDUCED TO THE LABEL, “EXTREMIST.” HE EXPLAINED THAT THE PASTOR DOESN’T HATE WHITE PEOPLE AND HAS MANY TENDER-HEARTED RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM. YOU’RE OVERSIMPLIFYING HIS PASTOR, SPEAKING OF HIM PREJUDCIALLY AS IF HER HAD NO HUMANITY, NOTHING TO RECOMMEND HIM. BUT THIS GUY HAS RESCUED MANY LOST SOULS, GIVEN THEM DIGNITY AND A HAND UP. IT SEEMS CRUEL TO REDUCE HIM TO THIS UGLY LABEL.

(b) Don't throw your 86 year-old grandmother under the bus of prejudice in order to draw parallels that (don't even) justify your bad choice of pastor. IT SEEMED TO ME THAT HE DID NOT AT ALL DEGRADE HIS GRANDMOTHER. HE USED HER AS AN EXAMPLE OF HIS BASIC POINT, THAT MANY OF US ARE PREJUDICED IN THE SENSE THAT WE’RE RACIALLY INSENSITIVE. WE’RE NOT RACISTS IN THE SENSE THAT WE WANT TO BRUTALIZE AND OPPRESS MINORITIES. BUT WE HAVE SOME PREJUDICIAL IDEAS THAT HURT PEOPLE’S FEELINGS. HE’S TRYING TO GET US TO UNDERSTAND THOSE PEOPLE RATHER THAN CONDEMN THEM FOR BEING RACIST OR RADICAL OR WHATEVER. HE WANTS US TO DEVELOP THIS DEEPER KIND OF RESPECT THAT TOLERATES THEIR INSENSITIVITY AND ANGER, AND THE EXAMPLE OF HIS RELATIONSHIP TO HIS GRANDMOTHER IS UNUSUALLY APT. SHE OBVIOUSLY LOVES HIM DEEPLY, CARES ABOUT HIM—IS NOT ABOUT TO START A RACIST ORGANIZATION, BUT SHE HAS RACIALLY INSENSITIVE IDEAS. AND HIS REACTION IS TO CRINGE, NOT TO PUT HER DOWN AND CREATE DIVISION. HE CONTINUES TO LVOE AND RESPECT HER AND TAKE THE GOOD WITH THE BAD. THAT’S HIS MESSAGE AND HIS METHOD. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER A LITTLE DEEPER AND NOT GET HUNG UP ON SOME OF THE INFLAMMATORY THINGS WE SAY, NOT MAKE THOSE THINGS THE SUM AND SUBSTANCE OF OUR UNDERSTANDING OF EACH OTHER.

(c) Don't respond to claims that your race is helping you succeed in the campaign by lying and saying it is not. Celebrate it, man! Shout to the highest mountains that you are proud that your heritage helps you attract more voters. I THINK THE CASE HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE BUT NOT WIDELY CIRCULATED THAT HIS RACE IS NOT HELPING HIM. IT ONLY APPEARS TO HELP HIM BECAUSE A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF VOTERS VOTE FOR HIM. BUT THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN FOR JESSE JACKSON. THE POINT HERE IS THAT THEY’RE NOT VOTING FOR HIM BECAUSE HE’S BLACK BUT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE, AS PROMINENT BLACK FRIENDS OF MINE HAVE SAID, HE IS THE REAL DEAL. HE MEANS WHAT HE SAYS AND REPRESENTS THEIR VIEWS. THEY LOVE HIS BOOKS, AS MANY OF US WHITE FOLKS DO. MOREOVER, ALTHOUGH A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF BLACK VOTERS VOTE FOR HIM, THERE AREN’T A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF BLACK VOTERS IN MOST STATES. THE ENTIRE COUNTRY HAS UNDER 20 PERCENT OF BLACK PEOPLE, AND THE PERCENTAGE OF REGISTERED VOTERS IS SMALLER THAN THAT. MOREOVER, FERARRO DIDN’T SAY THAT HIS WAS RACE WAS, AS YOU PUT IT, HELPING HIM SUCCEED. SHE SAID THAT HE WOULD NOT BE IN THE LEAD OR CLOSE TO IT IF IT WERE NOT FOR HIS RACE. SHE IMPLIED THAT, IF HE WERE NOT BLACK, HE WOULDN'T HAVE GALVANIZED THE SUPPORT THAT'S PUT HIM IN THE LEAD. THAT’S PREPOSTEROUS. BELIEVE ME, I COULD CARE LEESS WHETHER HE'S BLACK, AND MY BLACK FRIENDS FEEL THE SAME WAY. OF COURSE, SOME BLACK FOLKS MAY HAVE THE IDEA THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THEM TO HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT AND WOULD VOTE FOR HIM JUST BECAUSE HE'S BLACK. BUT THAT LOGIC IS BALANCED BY THE SAME LOGIC ON THE PART OF WOMEN WHO VOTE FOR HILLARY; INDEED, MANY OF HER SUPPORTERS ARE QUITE EXPLICIT IN ARGUING THAT THEY'RE VOTING FOR BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN, AND ALTHROUGH THEY LIKE OBAMA, THEY WANT A WOMAN.

(d) Don't go on witch hunts against well-established human rights advocates such as Bob
Kerrey, Geraldine Ferraro, and Bill Clinton. Instead, reach out to them with words of wisdom, not a sharp tongue. Besides, shouldn't a unifier be identifying other fighters for the cause and working with them to fight injustice in America? THESE POLITICIANS HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO UNDERMINE OBAMA’S CANDIDACY, OFTEN SAYING THINGS THAT WERE INFLAMMATORY AND GAVE AID AND COMFORT TO THE REPUBLICANS. BESIDES, OBAMA HASN'T GONE ON A WITHC HUNT. WHAT DID OBAMA SAY ABOUT FERRARO. HE SAID, “I DON’T THINK SHE’S A RACIST.” EVERYTHING HE SAID ABOUT HER UNDERMINING COMMENT WAS UNIFYING, UNDERSTANDING. HE DIDN’T PUT HER DOWN ONE IOTA. HE DID AS HE LEADS US TO DO. HE DISAGREED WITHOUT BEING DISAGREEABLE.

Back in January, I was leaning Obama. But he misplayed the race
card back then, and it turned me off. Well, yesterday's speech made it worse. Obama is a Pied Piper, playing a beautiful song that he hopes will lure voters. Ultimately, though, his arrogance and personal ambition prevent him from generating actionable, effective solutions to America's issues of race. YOU’RE NOT ARGUING ANY OF THESE POINTS. YOU’RE JUST STATING THEM. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM, AND THEY CONSISTANTLY SAY THAT HE IS WHAT HE APPEARS TO BE. HE’S GENIUNE. YOU SHOULD READ SOME OF THE COMMENTS HIS FORMER STUDENTS MAKE. HE WAS THE MOST POPULAR LAW PROFESSOR AT ONE OF THE TOP LAW SCHOOLS IN THE COUNTRY. HE LISTENS TO PEOPLE AND RESPONDS RESPECTFULLY. HE DOESN’T SEEM ARROGANT TO ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE RELATED TO HIM IN THE ILLINOIS SENATE. QUITE THE CONTRARY, HE UPLIFTS PEOPLE, CELEBRATES THEM, REGARDLESS HOW POOR OR DISADVANTAGED THEY ARE. I SUSPECT YOU THINK HE'S ARROGANT BECAUSE HE IS ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT AND HAS WELL-FORMED RESPECTABLE IDEAS; AS PEOPLE SAID OF HIS SPEECH, HE'S VERY PRESIDENTIAL. THAT CAN SEEM ARROGANT BECAUSE HE'S RISEN SO HIGH SO FAST; PEOPLE THINK, WHO DOES HE THING HE IS? BUT HE IS WHAT HE IS, A BRILLIANT, PROFOUND PERSON. I THINK IT'S JUST DIFFICULT FOR MANY PEOPLE TO CATCH ON TO THAT REALIZATION. BUT IF I WERE HILLARY AND WAS COMPLETELY HONEST AND DEVOTED TO THE COUNTRY, I'D GIVE UP, SAYING, "I COLD NEVER HAVE CONCEIVED A SPEECH LIKE THAT NOR COULD MY HUSBAND. YOU'RE THE MAN. YOU'RE LINCOLNESQUE AND WE DESPERATELY NEED YOU.

Preach, you are an eye sore.

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(b) Don't throw your 86 year-old grandmother under the bus of prejudice in order to

You're an idiot.

That's all.

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There is a definite divide in this country but it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with individuals' standards of common courtesy and decency. I'm shocked at how many posters on the this board find nothing wrong with Obama smearing his grandmother in a political speech. I was appalled when he disgracefully relayed to the entire world what was obviously a personal and private fear, expressed within the confines of her own home. I cringe just thinking how it would feel to have my most intimate thoughts or expressions, spoken in private to beloved family members, the persons I trust with my life, aired in public for someone's personal gain.

The "conservative" blogs are all over this, rightly condeming that part of Obama's speech as wretched and even disingenuous as, according to Obama's own book, his grandmother expressed fears of black men after a particularly frightening encounter with an aggressive panhandler at a bus stop. Her private fears, spoken decades ago to her family, hardly warrant comparison to the hate-filled, public rantings of Rev. Wright.

It's interesting that Obama chose to smear his "white grandmother," the one who raised, fed, and clothed him, and contributed to his being the successful man he is today, with no corresponding disapprobation expressed towards his "black father" who contributed to the epidemic of fatherlessness within the black community when he abandoned Obama and his mother and proceeded to sire more children with other women.

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So lemme get this straight - because I'm not offended by Obama bringing up his grandma, I have no decency or common courtesy? Yeah, ok.

I also know many people of that age group who are unconsciously racist. The Jim Crow laws didn't just hurt blacks in this country - there are literally generations of white Americans warped in the head because of it. And I thank Obama for bringing attention to it.

Looking back at some of your previous posts - I think you went into this speech looking for outrage. You're displaying the same fair and balanced insight as your favored commentator, Mr. Pat Buchanan.

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