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Nobel Peace Prize Winner: Hillary's N. Ireland Claim "silly"

On Wednesday Hillary Clinton said on CNN that "I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland." My initial reaction to that statement was "What?! You did?! Why is this the first time I'm hearing about this?"

Some things just don't pass the smell test from the first minute and this claim stinks badly.  But forget my opinion, listen to the people involved in the peace process like Nobel Peace Prize winner Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey who was quoted in the Daily Telegraph:

Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.
Even more damaging for Clinton, the article says:

Steven King, a negotiator with Lord Trimble’s Ulster Unionist Party, argued that Mrs Clinton might even have helped delay the chances of peace. "She was invited along to some pre-arranged meetings but I don’t think she exactly brought anybody together that hadn’t been brought together already," he said. Mrs Clinton was "a cheerleader for the Irish republican side of the argument", he added.


Hillary wants to claim her husband's accomplishments as her own and this is a classic example of the dangers for those claims. She has 7 years as an elected official (in the US Senate) and Obama has 11 (3 in the US Senate and 8 as a state senator). Her experience claims are weak.

This is the type of issue that will get her in serious trouble in the general election too. It's the kind of resume exageration that the average person will see as a sign of untrustworthiness.


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Agreed. I don't have the exact quote, but quite a few months ago the New York Times had an article about Hillary's foreign relations experience and when they mentioned Ireland, they explained that all she did was gather Catholic and Protestant women in Ireland into one church, and then she gave a lecture.

I'll try to dig the news reference up.

I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling in this establishment...

You guys must be sexist.

It'll be intereting to see if this gets any play in the MSM. I think this is huge, but maybe I've got my Obama-tinted glasses on.

I think the resume analogy would be a great talking point for the Obama campaign - just start asking the question: is Hillary Clinton being honest with the American voters about her foreign policy credentials?

She takes credit for peace in N. Ireland and won't take "credit" for the war in Iraq that she voted for.

More from that article

"I remember a meeting that I pulled together in Belfast, in the town hall there, bringing together for the first time Catholics and Protestants from both traditions, having them sitting a room where they had never been before with each other because they don’t go to school together, they don’t live together and it was only in large measure because I really asked them to come that they were there.

"And I wasn’t sure it was going to be very successful and finally a Catholic woman on one side of the table said, ’You know, every time my husband leaves for work in the morning I worry he won’t come home at night.

"And then a Protestant woman on the other side said, ’Every time my son tries to go out at night I worry he won’t come home again’. And suddenly instead of seeing each other as caricatures and stereotypes they saw each other as human beings and the slow, hard work of peace-making could move forward."

There is no record of a meeting at Belfast City Hall, though Mrs Clinton attended a ceremony there when her husband turned on the Christmas tree lights in November 1995. The former First Lady appears to be referring a 50-minute event the same day, arranged by the US Consulate, the same day at the Lamp Lighter Café on the city’s Ormeau Road.

The "Belfast Telegraph" reported the next day that the café meeting was crammed with reporters, cameramen and Secret Service agents. Conversation "seemed a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times" and Mrs Clinton admired a stainless steel tea pot, which was duly given to her, for keeping the brew "so nice and hot".

Hillary Clinton meeting with Belfast women in 1995 and the teapot she admired
Hillary Clinton meeting with Belfast women
in 1995 and the teapot she admired

Among those attending were women from groups representing single parents, relationship counsellors, youth workers and a cultural society. In her 2003 autobiography "Living History", Mrs Clinton wrote about the meeting in some detail but made no claim that it was significant.

Rather than it being the first time the women had met, Mrs Clinton wrote: "Because they were willing to work across the religious divide, they had found common ground." Mary Fox, the wife of a former IRA prisoner and one of the seven women at the meeting, said she had been there on behalf of the Footprints community centre. "It was quite a political change for the women’s sector after the visit of Hillary Clinton. We would love to see her as president. She spoke to each of us and was very interested in our work. She was lovely."

Mr McDevitt said: "I’ve always had a theory that these people were already well networked. Maybe they needed a bit of bringing together and she [Mrs Clinton] was an ideal focus point." Once a peace deal was in place, Mrs Clinton supported women politicians and was always available if they visited Washington "to give them a pat on the back, give them moral support", he added.

Yeah, I can see this is something you'd want to ridicule Hillary Clinton for.

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I'm not ridiculing her for being there or having a meeting with locals. I'm ridiculing her for claiming she helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland.

Clearly from the excerpt of the article you provide, this meeting was insignificant. It wasn't some meeting with back and forth negotiations, it was a photo op and she is exaggerating the importance of her role.

She didn't claim she was the driving factor. She claimed she "helped."

According to the women AT the meeting, she did.

Another attempt to slime Hillary Clinton. Next, you folks will ridicule her work for the CDF.

She wasn't "the" driving factor. She wasn't "a" driving factor.

And it's not sliming Hillary to point out that somehow meeting for tea in a cafe was a social event when she wrote her autobiography, and now suddenly it's morphed into a meeting at City Hall and becomes one of the key pieces of "experience" that she claims makes her ready to be commander in chief.

She's doing this to herself.

And as I said elsewhere, just think about what a present this is to McCain. If Hillary gets the nomination, just imagine a commercial that cuts back and forth between pictures of Hillary having tea, and McCain in serious meetings, McCain in uniform, etc.

She's handing this to McCain on a silver platter, and all so that she can tear down Obama.

Don't forget this article, too:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/182303.php

workerbee, you left out some of the best parts:

The "Belfast Telegraph" reported the next day that the café meeting was crammed with reporters, cameramen and Secret Service agents. Conversation "seemed a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times" and Mrs Clinton admired a stainless steel tea pot, which was duly given to her, for keeping the brew "so nice and hot".

And:

In her 2003 autobiography "Living History", Mrs Clinton wrote about the meeting in some detail but made no claim that it was significant.

Hmmmm, it's merely a social event when she writes her autobiography, but now it suddenly gains significance when she's scrambling to put together any little scraps of experience (such as admiring teapots) that could explain why she's ready to answer that phone. Can you see just a wee bit of suspiciousness in that?

There is no record of a meeting at Belfast City Hall, though Mrs Clinton attended a ceremony there when her husband turned on the Christmas tree lights in November 1995. The former First Lady appears to be referring a 50-minute event the same day, arranged by the US Consulate, the same day at the Lamp Lighter Café on the city’s Ormeau Road.

So the event, BTW, didn't occur at City Hall as she said. Turns out, it was a get-together at a local cafe. But no big deal, when you're lighting Christmas tree lights, and admiring teapots, and all those other experiences that prepare one to be commander in chief, the events must all just run together.


Alao from the article:

"I don’t know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill [Clinton] going around," he said. Her recent statements about being deeply involved were merely "the sort of thing people put in their canvassing leaflets" during elections. "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don’t want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

Wow, so the Obama campaign is against peace now?

Just taking the hysterical reasoning I see here and applying it the other way.

Hillray didn't claim to be a driving force, that's her detractors putting words in her mouth, and it's at least as slimey as the tactics they accuse her of.

Sorry.

Helping in a peace process isn't a thing she should be getting slammed on.

Try again.

Workerbee,

She is not getting slammed on for helping in a peace process. Just for falsely taking credit on other people's accomplishments.

Try again.


She wasn't President and didn't have the responsibility that came with the office. When Hillary was finally on center stage and had the power to make an important decision about war or peace, she chose to endorse the biggest foreign policy disaster of our time.

The reason I'm not voting for her in the primary is that she voted for an invasion of a country that was not a threat to us.

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Are you a current Obama supporter who (for any reason) will not vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election if she gets the Democratic nomination for President?
Then please take a moment to sign this petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/obama725/petition.html

Helping in a peace process isn't a thing she should be getting slammed on.

Again, workerbee, she's not getting slammed for "helping" in the peace process.

She's getting slammed for exaggerating her record.

She had tea, in a cafe that was crammed with reporters and cameramen, according to the article. In her autobiography she didn't describe it as having any particular significance in terms of helping the peace process. It was a social event. The fact that the cafe was "crammed" with reporters and cameramen tells you a lot about it, too. It was a photo op, not an attempt to hold serious discussions or negotiations. It was tea, in a cafe, with some people who were peripherally involved in the peace process.

But now suddenly it transforms into a meeting in City Hall (I guess "tea in a cafe" didn't sound presidential) and it's suddenly one of the key things she cites to explain why she's "experienced" enough to be commander in chief.

She's getting slammed for exaggerating her record because this exaggeration is part of the sleazy tactics she's using against Obama, i.e., endorsing McCain over Obama.

She's getting slammed for exaggerating her record because it's such an extreme exaggeration it doesn't even make sense for her own campaign. If somehow she gets the nomination, you know McCain is going to throw those words right back in her face. She's been in elected office fewer years than Obama and what she's trying to count are her years as First Lady. All McCain has to do is juxtapose pictures of Hillary having tea in that cafe and admiring that teapot, against images of his own extensive experience.

Why would she do this? Because it's not about making a case for herself. They didn't even think it through enough to have examples ready to go when they were asked just what "experience" she was referring to! It's not about making a case for herself it's about tearing down Obama, by effectively endorsing McCain.

That's what she's getting slammed for.

No, I'm against bullshit artists who claim that they've "crossed the threshold" of foreign policy experience because they went and threw a tea party in the face of a conflict that was well over a century old. That clear now?

She did a bit more than that.

If you're going to fly off the handle whenever the Hillary campaign misquotes Obama, then why exactly are you upset when I correct the misquote here.

She claimed she "helped."

She did.

And this may be true. Were this merely the extent of her claims, then this issue would be settled. However, the fact is that she is holding this up as foreign policy bona fides. The fact is, this is fabulously strained hyperbole. This is like saying that the proverbial butterfly in Tokyo helped knock over the house destroyed by a tornado in Kansas. You know what else is fabulously strained hyperbole?

Wow, so the Obama campaign is against peace now?

I'm sorry, who is that flies off the handle again? Because that's all I've seen you do all week.

I was being sarcastic.

Hillary exaggerated, so what? It's not like Obama isn't exaggerating that obscure 2002 speech on being "antiwwar." Has anyone read the whole thing incidentally, besides you, I mean. It does sound a bit hawkish.

I haven't been flying off the handle, at all. I've been getting a lot of BS from hysterical wingnuts. It gets old.

The rhetoric from Obama's campaign is getting more and more ridiculous ever since Hillary won Ohio. I mean, come on. Fight her on actual policy, not on how much she helped the peace process in Northern Ireland. You people are grasping at straws. Talk about destroying the party.

As for the absolute blooming of exploding heads vowing never to vote for Hillary, it wasn't me that made that observation. It was an Obama supporter.

I ask this sincerely and because I have observed that you are typically a sane individual: Exactly what rhetoric this week has been ridiculous?

Typically sane,,,yez. But I reserve the right to be insane.

:P

Well, let's see. There was the whole thing of trying to turn the NAFTA kerfuffle into some kind of Clinton-led conspiracy, the absolute REFUSAL to believe anything but Hillary Clinton endorsed McCain for President, as well as the rash of "tottering on sane" pronouncements of McCain is better than Hillary/Obama. Take your pick. The Obama fans certainly outnumbered the Hillary ones on that, though.

Now I see Hillary getting slammed for saying she helped in Northren Ireland.

I don't think you'll win many of the undecideds over with this. I'm hoping Al Gore and Edwards walk into the convention and say "farq both of these clowns" and cinch, overwhelmingly, the nomination.

That would be MY delusional, insane dream.

Hey! Who remembers the Republican attacks on Gore in 2000 regarding his so-called penchant for exaggeration?

The instances cited against Gore were miniscule compared to HRC's outrageous claims of essentially inheriting everything good about her husband's administration and claiming "private reservations" about the bad. We all know that the Clinton campaign is building this facade of experience vs inexperience

Obama needs to tattoo Clinton with the absurditity of her outrageous exaggerations. This should be easy - just pick her points apart, one by one by one.

How silly to be claiming that she contributed to peace in Northern Ireland? How? By drinking green beer on StPatrick's Day?

What about her lofty claims to delivering a feminist speech at an international women's conference in China with some suggestions that the Chinese clean up their act on female infanticide for one is hardly heroic stuff. What were the Chinese going to do....throw her into jail? Or would they refuse to send us any more Barbie Dolls for the shelves of Walmart, where she sat on the board, and a company that we all know has been the leader in exploiting the new WTO infrastructure - NAFTA included.

Then there's 7 vs 11 years of elected public office experience? How is 7 more than 11? And let's ask if she had a security clearance during her White House years? If she replies, "No. But . . . ", then we have her trapped by her own rhetoric. If she says that the President shared with her in private, then it raises a boatload of questions about who will be actually pulling the strings in her White House. Can she guarantee that Bill will NOT have a security clearance in actuality and in spirit? Will she confirm that she will not betray national security in revealing protected information to her husband?

Let's ask if the heretofor missing billing records for her Rose Law Firm work that mysteriously appeared on furniture in the White House were placed there after a 3am phone call.

The baggage is so heavy on the Clinton's that it will sink them as long as it becomes waterlogged. Obama has all of the ammunition he needs to raise reasonable doubts about the risks of another Clinton term.

Women on both sides of the Ireland peace process credit Hillary for bringing the women of both sides together to speak for the first time at the vitalvoices conference. (vitalvoices.org) The women met before the men ever did and many women understand the significance of that, even as many men dismiss it as unimportant. To see what he Irish women involved think read this:

http://www.irishecho.com/newspaper/story.cfm?id=18626

Like most of "women's work' it is never considered important to the peacocks.

Hillary is our candidate and she has earned our support. The hillary hating and repeating of Kenn Starr talking points will only cement the solidarity we feel for her. You guys are never going to get it and it's your trash talking that is annoying not Hillary's campaign for the presidency. It's you who needs to reconsider what you stand for.
you are driving women out of your sphere at TPM and you do so at your peril. We will go away but we won't give up, and you need us more than we need you.

So it's Ken Starr for asking her to reveal her tax record, something that every other candidate has done and something for which she chastised Rick Lazio in her run for the US Senate? It's not legitimate to inquire where the $5M that she 'loaned' her own campaign came from? Do you care about transparency in government or merely about the success of Her Excellency?

I have no problem accepting her promise to release her tax return on or about April 15. She has been filing public financial disclosure for years. Why are you so anxious for the data? Do you expect to find that Bill Clinton got rich from lecturing and flew around on private planes and hung out with people who wanted his name to further their business interests? Is that the big shokeroo that you think will tank her? Dream on.

is the tax return issue about 2007 records? i thought i was about the rest of the century. along with millions of other sealed things.

She hasn't filed public financial disclosure data since 2000. Promising to release them by April 15th isn't a promise, it's compliance with the federal deadline for filing one's income taxes. If you care about the principle of transparency then it doesn't matter what's in them. Hopefully there isn't anything there, but we'll not know until she discloses. Maybe it is just lectures. Maybe it's Asian uranium. Interesting that her campaign continuously brings up Rezko, even in the fact of having faced similar bunk allegations re: Whitewater, and yet they won't play by the rules of the game. It's good enough for her to blast Rick Lazio for it but not good enough for her to answer the same charge? It's the height of hypocrisy.

Don't you think it's legitimate for the electorate to know where a Presidential nominee has made their money? A prospective employer can examine my credit history. This is an extended job interview. People should have this information in a timely fashion, ie: before she gets the job. If you don't follow this, then I contend that you don't actually believe in transparency because your definition of transparency is meaningless.


There is a growing groundswell of suspicion as to why Hillary and her surrogates resort to the kind of deflective tactics used by people who'd rather avoid the subject of why she has yet to produce her tax returns and the archived records of her time spent as First Lady. That interest has intensified since she made the $5 million loan to her campaign. Instead of denigrating Senator Obama, one would think, it would be the path of the least resistance for her to come clean with this request?!?!

I will give her the benefit of the doubt that she will keep her word to release the aforementioned documents "on or before April 15th" for public consumption. However, with the Pennsylvania Primary Election taking place on April 22nd, my gut tells me, based on Hillary's past performance, that April 15th will come and go with a broken promise..... hoping no one will notice.

I guess the Nobel Peace Prize winner quoted in this article is just some Obama hack who hates women...

Please don't insinuate that I'm a sexist because I'm not supporting Hillary in the primary. We all could sit here and call each other either sexist or racist for not supporting our candidates.

I'll grant you that some people may believe that the symbolic role played by Hillary in N. Ireland was important. Again, she was not a negotiator, she was not a decision maker, she was not a key player. But she was there and I'm sure she did her small part - I just think right now that part is being overstated.

my point is that you will always assume that the women's meeting is only "symbolic". Women feel that when the women meet the peace is real. The women who met feel Hillary Clinton was a thoughtful, active, proactive player whose behind the scenes and public actions were extremely important. Nobody argues that Bill Clinton and George Mitchell didn't do far more than hillary. She was the first lady. she did a lot more than most first ladys. According to the Chicago papers Obama was lured to Chicago to do his community organizing based on recruitment from tony rezko. He made a really "boneheded" real estate deal with the guy. hiding funds from a court judgement so Obama could get a below market price on a mansion on the hill. he decided at the last minute NOt to have REV. Wright at his announcement to run. White's church cleaned up their website since last year to be less "scary'( praise of farrakan etc). All these things will be revealed in the MSM.

If he's worth his salt he will survive this scrutiny. It's not like gary Hart's monkey business or eagleton's electro shock.

Hillary will have her problems too. But maybe not too much other than the Clinton Hating which hopefully has peaked.(I know you will never stop hating her but luckilly there are like 12 of you)

McCain is sitting on top of a huge tinder box of scandals related to Jack Abramoff and more. we're saving those details for the general. Dem's will win if there is a dream ticket. maybe even if one goes alone but why risk that? isn't Obama about bringing people together? how come all you angry Hillary hating readers aren't?? Can't forgive? hmmmm is that really about Hillary or more about you?

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What strikes me about Hilary's whole campaign is that it is loaded with references to Bills accomplishments. Who is really running, Hillary or Bill? This is particularly relevant to the 3a.m. phone call add. What is this add really about? It is about who is in the bed with Hillary there to help. This is the hidden message in that add and it really rubs me wrong.

Hidden message? Bill in her bed. that wasn't the message. It was just an emotional appeal to a parent's worry about being safe. she was saying I'll be there' i'll be ready. It was targeted to her demographic of single moms. it was a 1.5 or 2 on a scale from 1 to 10 in fear mongering. But my goodness isn't it revealing how little it took to rattle Obama folks on this issue. not a good sign. he needs to parry these thrusts better. Answer why it worked, not why she did it. he may have hit a lucky bit with that charming stock photo girl who was in the 3:00 am ad. She offered to do a new ad with him. That could be great for him if he does it right!

Clinton/Obama'08 OR Obama/Clinton '08 Either way the people win!

Do you think the Asian uranium or other stories about Bill's business dealing will hurt Hillary?
I don't. It didn't hurt Diane Feinstein.

And Bill has done wonderful things with the Clinton foundation $$ he raised.

You are not asking for this so called tranparancy because you want a democrat in the White house. You are doing it because the republican focus groups showed that Hillary's only weakness with voters was the trustability question played so well by the republican clinton attackers most notably culminating in Ken Starr. If Obama's only answer to all the questions raised in the last few days ( Canada/NAFTA, Rezko, 'moster' and He doesn't mean it about getting out of Iraq and lack of military credentals)is to go back to that issue to try to milk it for some more misogynistic hate then he won't win. It has peaked, people like Clinton more the more they see her. not less. He needs to take the bull by the horns and drive the narrative about himself and what we can expect from his presidency. It has to be better than hers and it has to be more than just trashing her. Put some meat on his own positions.
He made a blunder on health care mandates which is why Edwards did not support him. Reviving Harry and Louise may have been fatal to blue collar voters. The delegate math argument isn't compelling enough either.Clinton inspires her folks too. Trashing her has to stop. It is a natural knee jerk reaction but it is not the answer to his problems. Get creative help him bring something new something great. But please let it be something real.

Clinton?Obama'08 OR Obama/Clinton'08 Either way the people win!

Buddy, the late chocolate lab first dog, would likely have remembered more about these middle of the night disturbances than Hillary. Remember that it was Buddy who was Bill's only friend at 1660 Pennsylvania Avenue for the last three years of his term.

More likely at 3:00am Hillary was probably busy elsewhere sticking pins into the eyes of voodoo dolls of Bill and Monica, cursing Bill's womanizing ways for jeopardizing her planned Senate bid and derailing her onw plans for achieving the pinnacle of political power.

I say let Hillary and surrogates keep on spurting this ridiculous and tatseless bile. They have already crossed the line and the point of diminishing returns. History will report this as the body blow in the self-destruction of the Clinton myth.

And don't even dream that there will be a joint ticket. Obama cannot afford to be dragged down by Clinton. He will select a man with military credentials. Guaranteed. She cannot secure sufficient delegates to win the nomination, so it's silly to talk about who will be her VP nominee.

HELLLLOOO all you Clinton bashers! She didn't say she brought "peace" to Ireland. She said she brought "peas". Thats right. Home grown peas. Delicious.

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