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It's a Shame Hillary Skipped Church on Easter (Reloaded)
[Sigh. Sometimes you can just tell something didn't work right with a blog post. Here's another shot at it with the truncated part restored.]
Several have commented and blogged on the statement issued by Hillary's pastor about Rev. Wright. However, Rev. Snyder's sermon on Easter was far more important. If you're a Christian, or even a near-heathern apostate like myself, it's worth reading the whole thing. Whether by accident or design, Hillary chose her pastor well. The sermon is about the competing emotions of fear and joy of the Disciples when confronted by the Resurrection. It also happened to reflect at some length upon his own reaction to Obama's speech on Tuesday, the white response to soundbite clips from Rev. Wright sermons, and upon his own experience some years ago as the white pastor of a predominately African American church. This guy could almost get me back into church again. Like with some of Obama's better speeches, it does not lend itself to soundbites or brief quotations and, like with some of Obama's better speeches, I found myself choking up at certain points. Read the whole thing.
Here's a quote to convince you:
I want to talk for a few minutes about race in America this Easter morning, but I want to be clear that this is only an illustration of a deeper truth. This is not the point but an illustration of the point.
I was feeling depressed about the racial tension in America this past week. At the request of a member, I made a statement this week about the attention the media was giving to some comments by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whom I have heard speak a number of times. The statement is available on our website and copies are available in our office. I was feeling sort of depressed. When are we ever going to be able to get past the racial divisions that run so deep in the American psyche?
Then suddenly this weekend I moved from fear to joy. I realized that the tension we are experiencing is because the rules are changing. What we are experiencing is the shock of resurrection which always causes within us fear and great joy all mixed up together.
I was the pastor of a primarily African-American congregation for several years in the 1980’s. When I say primarily African-American I mean all but two people in the congregation were African-American. One of the two who was not African-American was married to me.
It was the most fearful and joyous experience of my life. Every day we had to choose between fear and joy.
I knew it was a sacrifice for a congregation of African-Americans of the generation who had grown up before and during the civil rights movement to have a white pastor.
For African-Americans, church in those days was where you could go to say what you really thought and what you really felt without white people looking over your shoulder disapprovingly. Church was something –sometimes the only thing – that belonged to you, that you got to run. Church was where you could let your guard down.
Suddenly now you’ve got a white pastor. He is in some ways an intruder; yet, you’ve got to treat him well because there is no higher value among a people who know what is like to be put out than hospitality.
It was frightening for me, too. I was always nervous I would say or do something offensive. There are all sorts of things white people do that are offensive and we have no idea. I was careful and guarded, and members of the congregation were careful and cautious around me.
We eventually figured out how to be church together. But every day we had to choose between fear and joy.
One turning point was when three men in the congregation invited me to go with them to a men’s prayer breakfast at a neighboring church. We had a fine breakfast. As was often the case in those days, I was the only white person in the room. Then it was time for the speaker.
The speaker spoke on the superiority of the black race over the white race. He quoted scientific studies that proved, he claimed, that the brains of black people are, on average, larger and more developed than the brains of white people. It was a mirror image of the foolish pseudo-science white people had used for centuries to supposedly prove they were superior to black people. A mirror image.
I could tell that the three men who had invited me to the breakfast were mortified, just absolutely mortified. They sat as stiff as if they were corpses.
One of the men had driven us there. After breakfast and the speech, we got in his car. The ride back began in a very uncomfortable silence. Nobody knew what to say. Finally I decided I had to say something to break the ice. So this is what I said: “He’s not all wrong, you know? Every black person I have known,” I said, “has had a more developed brain than my white brother-in-law.”
Every day we had to choose between fear and joy. The rules were changing and every day we had to choose between fear and joy.
We made it – that congregation and I. It was scary but we learned we weren’t so fragile that we would shatter if we heard or experienced something uncomfortable. It wouldn’t be the end of the world. We could take risks with each other. And eventually there were actually times when we almost forgot the shades of our skin. Great joy.
. . .
The rules are changing in America and we have to choose between fear and joy.
Be very clear – I am not talking about who we vote for, that’s not the point. I am talking about how we listen to each other in this situation of fear and joy.
When I was pastoring the African-American congregation, I developed a new spiritual practice. If anyone took the risk of suggesting to me that something I said or did had within it any tinge of racism, I adopted the practice that I would not react, I would not allow myself to become defensive, I would not try to justify myself. I would ask questions to make sure I understood and I would think about it for 24 hours. After 24 hours I might decide that what the person had said was wrong, but if an African-American was willing to take the enormous risk of pointing out something they saw in me, I was going to give it serious consideration.
I have since tried to apply this same principle to gender, sexual orientation and the differently-abled. I don’t always pull it off, but I try. I may decide after 24 hours that you are wrong, but I want to always try to consider it carefully.
When the Jeremiah Wright sound bites appeared this week, I wish white Americans could have said, “Tell us more, Dr. Wright. Explain to us what you are trying to tell us. Let’s see the videos of the entire sermon. We want to understand your perspective. We are going to try to not be defensive. We may end up disagreeing with you, but we are going to take some time to try to understand what you have to say.” What a wonderful thing that would have been for white America to do.
But instead we became afraid. We can choose between fear and great joy, because in America today, in the place of our deepest oppression, we are experiencing the shock of resurrection.
But I say this only as an illustration of a larger truth.
When the rules change, we get scared. If the crucified don’t stay crucified, what rules can we trust? That’s why Mary and Mary were afraid. But mixed up with the fear is joy, liberation and new life.
I may be apostate, a heretic and an agnostic (and I'm at least two out of three of those on any given day), but Easter still moves me.
It's a shame Hillary holed up at the Clinton compound in New York this weekend instead of going to church. If she'd been able to stay awake through all that exhaustion she was talking about when she was explaining the Bosnia whopper, She might have avoided disgracing herself today.







Comments (30)
Grrrrrr. Lost the hyperlinks. Here's a link to sermon. The statement about Wright is on the same site.
http://www.foundryumc.org/sermons/3_23_2008.htm
March 25, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not Ashame!
I'm black in the summer.
I'm white in the winter.
You know what that says... either I have it good all the time, none f the time, or 1/2 the time.
Either way I look at it on an given day, I have to say...1/2 the time, definitely half!
I did listen to all of Dr. Wright's rant, at least one of them. I have to say, it was better than many of them I've heard in my (those)"catholic churches"
Dr. Wright may not be right all the time, but he's got a better record than "W"!
Listen to Everything... Don't trust everything...
Believe in yourself!
March 25, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not Ashame!
I'm black in the summer.
I'm white in the winter.
You know what that says... either I have it good all the time, none f the time, or 1/2 the time.
Either way I look at it on an given day, I have to say...1/2 the time, definitely half!
I did listen to all of Dr. Wright's rant, at least one of them. I have to say, it was better than many of them I've heard in my (those)"catholic churches"
Dr. Wright may not be right all the time, but he's got a better record than "W"!
Listen to Everything... Don't trust everything...
Believe in yourself!
March 25, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The speaker spoke on the superiority of the black race over the white race. He quoted scientific studies that proved, he claimed, that the brains of black people are, on average, larger and more developed than the brains of white people. It was a mirror image of the foolish pseudo-science white people had used for centuries to supposedly prove they were superior to black people. A mirror image.
One of the men had driven us there. After breakfast and the speech, we got in his car. The ride back began in a very uncomfortable silence. Nobody knew what to say. Finally I decided I had to say something to break the ice. So this is what I said: “He’s not all wrong, you know? Every black person I have known,” I said, “has had a more developed brain than my white brother-in-law.”
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This is garbage. If I took a black friend to such a meeting and the speaker started to spew some racist nonsense about whites having larger more developed brains there would be no uncomfortable silence in the car drive home. I wouldn't sit there and wait for one of the black people to say, "Every white person I've known has a more developed brain then my black brother-in-law." I would have brought it up as soon as we got to the car.
Truth be told, I wouldn't have waited till we got to the car. As soon as the white speaker started in on his racist bs I would have whispered to my friends, "This guy is an asshole. Do you want to leave now?"
I talked to my father about his racist, sexist, and antigay jokes when I was in my 20's. I told him I wasn't into that type of humor and asked him to stop telling these jokes around me. He did and that was the end of it.
I've confronted friends and acquaintances at work about their racist, sexist, or antigay comments. As a white man I believe I have an obligation to speak up when I hear other white people spew that type of nonsense. I have taken a stand on that principle. I have risked friendships and congenial work relations to take that stand. And I sure as hell expect others to do the same whether they be white, black, yellow or red. Why didn't the black people in this little anecdote do likewise?
Have you taken such a stand? What were you waiting for? We are the ones we've been waiting for? I haven't been waiting. I've been doing. I don't need some leader to show me the way. I haven't been waiting for some "we's" to join me before I act. I can stand alone and do the right thing. Can you tell me exactly what you "we's" have been waiting for. Because there is nothing about this movement I've been waiting for and nothing about it that I want to join.
March 25, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
You present yourself as: My way or the highway.
For that, you are not believable.
Sorry!
March 25, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm under no illusions that some post of mine will change anyone's mind. So believe me or not. There is nothing about Obama I believe in so that makes us even. But you can believe in this. Obama will not get my vote in Nov.
March 26, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I believe you, Oceankat. It just makes me sad that you can learn nothing from this pastor's sermon. I think it's a very valuable trait, when your judgment and viewpoint is criticized, to take a step back. Don't get defensive. Recognize that you may not be all right all the time. And take 24 hours to genuinely examine the criticism and your positions. It's something that I should do more often, and I suspect, everyone should. (In fact, it may be the primary difference between being progressive and being conservative.)
I take it, from your response above, that you are reacting defensively. And when I suggest that you take 24 hours to think about this, you will probably be tempted to respond defensively again.
March 26, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have thought about the sermon. I think its wrong. I couldn't disagree more with its message. I wouldn't expect my black friends to sit through a racist speech. I'd ask them if they wanted to leave and I would have walked out with them. I certainly wouldn't expect them to make me feel better for taking them to hear a white racist by having them make a jibe at their equally ignorant brother-in-law.
The message should be, don't be silent. Speak up when you hear racist, sexist or anti gay speech. Whether that speech is black racism or white racism, don't be silent.
But this thread has helped me understand why so many Obama supporters don't care that he sat silent in his church for 20 years. Apparently that's exactly how many of them deal with racists, sexists, or homophobes in their own life. Amazingly enough, they're astonished that someone actually spoke up when they heard that kind of rhetoric.
March 26, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oceankat, be happy because God has blessed you with Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee-in-waiting. Don't be bitter and anger. It's unflattering.
March 26, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "holier-than-thou" approach to politics virtually guarantees that you will have the support of all your peers. Of course, the "holier-than-thou" approach also means that you will be your only peer.
Perhaps the way to make this world a better place is not to simply reject and denounce those you disagree with, but to engage with and understand them. Then, you can work together for change.
The black preacher who spoke of the genetic inferiority of whites wasn't simply being racist. He was expressing a lifetime of insight and experience. You would likely agree with him on any number of issues, although you disagree with the way he expressed himself. Rejecting and denouncing such a man is tantamount to throwing away a valuable resource and a valuable opportunity.
Oceankat, would you work with a racist southern Republican Senator who was open to supporting health care reform? Or would you simply reject and denounce him?
March 26, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I made no invidious comparison of myself to anyone else in my first post. I simply stated what I do and asked what you do and if you don't, why not? It was the people who replied that decided I said I was "utterly without sin." The fact that you all decided to go with that line of attack instead of addressing any of my points or questions I found humorous and quite telling.
I still find it to be nonsense that this white guy sat through a racist speech and after it was over none of his black friends had the courage to say, "sorry about that," and he had to make them feel better by bringing up his brother-in-law and implying he was racist too. If I mistakenly took a black friend to a racist speaker I wouldn't expect him to sit there and listen to it. Would you? Would you say nothing? The answer seems to be you would. So I guess I am a bit different than you all.
As for working with racists, I have, often. But I don't laugh at their jokes and I don't let their comments go by in silence. If you want to decide that me saying that is tantamount to me claiming superiority so be it.
March 26, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess he'll just have to find a way to win without you. Wonder how he'll manage...
March 26, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your strength of will and moral purity are admirable. Being utterly without sin, and a model of tolorance, you are, of course, free to cast stones.
March 26, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for saying this. Couldn't have said it better.
March 26, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe some adults choose to react to such things not with anger and shouting, but with humor and discussion. Ya think?
March 26, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
oceankat, I guess you wouldn't want Hillary's pastor to be your pastor. So that makes two pastors you don't want.
March 26, 2008 8:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
In all fairness, I read today that Rev. Snyder was not Hillary's pastor -- there was a different pastor at that church when she attended. But it is the same church.
That being said, this is the conversation Barack was calling us to. Hillary has made her choice between fear and joy.
She is unworthy to be president.
March 26, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
oceankat - it must be gratifying to wake up everyday being as righteous as you are. You probably don't need a president who urges you to aspire to be more because you seem to already be all you want to be. Good for you.
March 26, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not really gratifying at all. I just can't imagine sitting around listening to people spout racist, sexist, or anti gay rhetoric while laughing at their jokes just to get along. How does that work for you? Now that the "we's" are here no more waiting right?
March 26, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your conviction that you are vastly superior to most other people is refreshing in its lack of humility.
Your inability to imagine anything other than your superiority is disturbing.
March 26, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually I imagined that other people were doing the same thing I was. But clearly this thread shows me they were not. Why not? What are you waiting for? Think that vote will change anything if you keep sitting there in silence or laughing along with the racists and sexists?
March 26, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lord knows there's a bunch of liberal Mormons chomping at the bit to vote for Obama in the GE. Why? Because they know better than most that whatever wackiness divides us is nothing compared to our shared aspirations. 'Conservative' voters are not the enemy ... it's the 'conservative' power-brokers who have f*cked up our country, and now that we finally have the chance to 'turn the page' on those jokers, let's all pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster or to whomever our deity of choice may be, that we're all smart enough to recognize when a candidate is grown-up enough to embrace a fundamental of the American condition (that we're by and large a church-going people) in such a way as to deserve our respect when he chides us to move forward: who among us church-goers has not had 'funky' teachings passed on to us from the pulpit ... Catholic, Protestant, or 2nd Great Awakening freaks like my Mormon self, and JW's and 7th-Day-ers, and the whole lot of y'all ... back me up here. If you're not hopelessly hooked on the GOP Kool-Aid, I know full well who you'd like to be voting for in November: The guy who presumes to suggest that maybe our butts aren't in a pew of a Sunday (or Saturday) morning just because we've got one wet finger thrust up into the wind trying to figure out which way the breeze is blowing.
March 26, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary does not attend any church.
March 26, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/26/135640/787/385/484718
But she does...
March 26, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
MSNBC did a story about her affiliation with the cultish secretive evangelical group called "The Family" today.
March 26, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I almost wish some of these posts weren't so moving. Hard to sit at my desk in this consertive company with tears in my eyes and still think the job matters.
Oceankat, you should start a war about it. That would make you feel better.
March 26, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Congratulations on your courage. But since you are not running for President, I will vote for Obama instead.
March 26, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oceankat
Congratulations on your courage. But since you are not running for President, I will vote for Obama instead.
March 26, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oceankat,
I am glad that as a white man you are willing to speak up against white racism with courage and not wait until the ride home. But...don't for one minute think that a white person confronting white racism is in the exact same position as a black person confronting black bigotry.
The context is different, the level of privilege is different. For example, a minister in the black community is much more privileged and respected than one in the white community. It is not the same thing.
To assume some mantle of superiority because you don't need support to be anti-racist is an expression of white privilege itself.
March 26, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you reread the story you'll find that they didn't even speak up on the ride home. The white minister sat there in an uncomfortable silence until he was moved to speak up. This is held up as a good course of action. I disagree.
One need not be angry or obnoxious in speaking to someone about their racist, sexist, or anti gay speech. So I do not accept that things cannot be said in minority communities as well as white communities. But even if I were to accept that I certainly expect a higher standard in the person I elect to be president.
As for this mantle of superiority nonsense I reject your judgment. I truly expected others to respond that they too had spoken up when friends or acquaintances engaged in racist, sexist of anti gay speech or humor. I expected the conversation to proceed from that point. That apparently no one who responded has spoken up in such a situation is surprising and disappointing.
But you all are the one's you all have been waiting for. So what now? Or is enough to just vote for Obama?
March 26, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
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