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If She Thinks Richardson is Judas, What are We?

I've grown tired of James Carville long ago.  I cringe at the thought of what it would be like if he had been propped at the head of the DNC as the Clinton's wanted.  (Thank goodness for Howard Dean.)  
Now with his aweful "Judas" insult thrown at Bill Richardson for his endorsement of Barack Obama, I know Hillary's disdain for the majority of Democratic voters-of which I am a part of.  What does she think of us?  What does she think of herself?  
When the "inevitable" had her bubble burst repeatedly, she has moved the goal posts and dismissed the voters.  Her push for the superdelegates to override the pledged delegates and now in another spectacular flip-flop, she is officially pushing pledged delegates to change their vote.
Richardson, Nancy Pelosi and the other grown-ups in the Democratic Party who have the party's best interest in mind are doing the right thing.  Hillary, as I have said several times in comments and in posts here, has lost, but showing that she is a sore loser, she is trying to take the party down with her and show her disdain for voters who she very obviously doesn't think very highly of.
Again, she has demonstrated that she is a true Clinton and that what is best for her is all that matters, the party be damned.  Her insults whether through her words or actions or by those of surrogates like Bill and Carville, I now see as insults not only to Obama, but to his supporters.  When Bill subtly implies that Obama is un-American, he thinks that we are too.  When Carville says that Richardson is a traitor, he thinks that we are too.  When Hillary says that the majority of voters don't matter-to her they don't and neither do we in her mind.


Comments (95)

Frankly, I'd be thrilled to be thought of as the centurion who stabbed her in the ribs. No offense to Jesus, of course.

Yeah, what does the Ragin' Cajun's comments say about Hillary's attitude toward all those who voted for Richardson?

Why does her camp have to insult everybody and every state that doesn't vote for her?

Exactly, and the fact of course that in making that comparison Carville is implicity comparing Hillary to Jesus Christ. Maybe she thinks we are the Romans.

I believe Caesar Clintonus has it quite the reverse.

Hey, making comparisons to Caesar isn't fair. Augustus was likable.

Unless of course you are Marcus Brutus, ya know the guy who stabbed Julius in the..... Hey wait a minute!

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Oh he is not. Comparing Richardson to Judas doesn't imply a comparison of Clinton to Christ. You're inferring that and no speaker can help what you infer.

And why would Clinton think you're the Romans? That doesn't even make sense. Judas wasn't a Roman.

If you cannot infer anything, then Judas exists in a vacuum from any relevance. So he should instead say "Richardson is a bookshelf!" with equal relevance. Not that I care really. Carville says dumb shit regardless what holiday or any day it is.

Actually I think folks in the provinces were eligible for Roman citizenry, if memory serves correct.

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Gee, could you make it any dumber? If he did compare Richardson to a bookshelf, are we to infer that Clinton is a book - or would that be the brackets holding up the bookshelf? Or the wall against which the bookshelf hangs? Or maybe, Carville would be making the comparison of Richardson to a bookshelf without any ulterior motive other than a comparison of Richardson to a bookshelf - think that might be a possibility?

And what makes you think that Carville was comparing Clinton to Jesus Christ? Maybe he was comparing her to the Virgin Mary, or Mary Magdalene or Mary and Martha or maybe one of the other twelve apostles. Or maybe since he's failed to recognize Obama as the second coming of Christ he was thinking of Peter and his denial of Christ, or maybe...

Strangely enough I think you followed my thinking on that, did you mean to?

thank you for a good laugh. made my lunch.

Yeah, and then back in reality we all realize he was saying that Richardson had betrayed Clinton in the same way that Judas betrayed Christ. That's the reference. Does this sort of imply that Clinton is Christ? Yeah, kind of, but I think to Carville the betrayal metaphor was more important than the possible messianic status of his boss.

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Judas is a very specific reference. If Hillary is not supposed to be Jeebus in this analogy, who is she? Who is Jeebus? Whom is Carville suggesting was betrayed?

(And Carville crawls into bed at night with a woman who is not only one of Dick Cheney's closest advisors and a member of the Iraq Study Group, but is an advisor to Freedom Watch, a group dedicated to perpetuating the myth of the Iraqi connection to 9/11, and even more despicable, to exploiting the soldiers and families of dead soldiers who believe in this. I'm tempted to put that in all caps. Mary Matalin is scum. I'm all for not allowing politics to dominate personal relationships, but this woman is an unredeemable moral bankrupt, a sick, cynical cancer on the American body politic. Carville crawls into bed with her every night. He's no better than she is.)

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This may surprise you, but some people think loyalty is a virtue, and some people like Carville have written books about it.

It also might surprise you to know that these are real people with real feelings, prejudices, likes and dislikes, virtues and faults and emotions. I would imagine that Clinton on some level does feel a sense of betrayal by Richardson and Obama. Richardson owes his career to the Clintons, and the Clintons held fund raisers and campaigned for Obama in his career. So yes, like all human beings I think there is a sense of betrayal, probably because there is a betrayal.

Does this mean that Hispanics should see the betrayal of attacking one of their own? Should we see the fact that Mark Penn and the campaign see Richardson's value as past since they think only Hispanic voters care about him? I think Harold Ickes' continuation of the rejection of the will of the voters is a betrayal.

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No, Amber, it means that you're a dumbass with no compunctions, no morals, no ethics and no sense of fair play who uses every single utterance, comment, dirty trick, exaggeration and lie you can wrap yourself around to malign one democrat under the mistaken belief that you're helping the democrats to win in November - and then scream and gnash your teeth that it's the "other side" who is evil. It's your inability to comprehend that if you're friends with someone for twenty years, it stings and hurts when they throw you overboard for someone else, that these are real people who are running for office, not automatons without feelings and emotions, and that for some people, loyalty to one's friends is considered a virtue. Like Truman said, "if you want a friend in Washington, buy a dog."

Woah, this is a rather vicious attack on a fellow blogger/poster. You might want to check your own language and name-calling, or is this the approved modus operandi for the Hillary camp?

There is another word to describe the paying back of political favors with more political favors - "cronyism". I scratch your back, you scratch mine. This is fine in places like Enron, but Bill Clinton isn't supposed to EXPECT Richardson to vote for his wife for appointing him Ambassador to UN or whatever.

HE IS SUPPOSED TO APPOINT RICHARDSON BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST PERSON TO SERVE HIS COUNTRY IN THIS CAPACITY.

Richardson owes his loyalty to his country, not to Billary!!!

The way you Clinton people put it is like the Clintons own a fiefdom and their minions whom they hire to work are in servitude to them.

I would like to blow off an expletive myself, to let you know what I think of this. For shame!!

And BevD, while it is true Carville said this, he is speaking as a Hillary surrogate. She must have approved his message, as I haven't seen any distancing, not to mention a polite admonishing to gracefully exit from the campaign.

Remember, we elect them, they are at OUR service, we being the country.

Which is why there are laws prohiniting the firing or hiring of public officials and civil servants by Presidents, hence Hillary in deep doo-doo over "Travelgate". Now I understand why it roiled people so much, and how that episode reveals another aspect to the Clintons.

We pay for AirForce One, their f*cking salary, and all the perks they enjoy as leaders elected by us.

As far as I know, the President is not the Emperor, though Bush and Bill have made it seem like this, and s/he serves at our pleasure.

Amen. BevD - you could do much better by not using insults.

To expect something in exchange for political positions and/or assistance is wrong. Not only ethically challenged, it is akin to bribery.

I do not keep count of how many times I buy dinner for my friends and expect them to repay me in kind. As a matter of fact I expect to stand up for their own principles - especially if they disagree with me.

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Quit setting up strawmen. If someone did something like this to you, you'd be hurt and angry too. These people are human beings and when you think someone is your friend, it tends to hurt when they throw you over.

LEAVE HILLARY ALONE!!!!!

In contrast to you, I insist that integrity, principles and doing the right thing trumps loyalty to one's friends and benefactors. I guess that makes me somewhat inhuman in your (and the Clintons') book. I can live with thgat. I wonder if Carville can live with his particular abomination.

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No, I see Amber and her posts as the worst of the republican operatives. I'm not referring to one post, I'm referring to her relentless postings of lies, innuendos and smears. She has done more harm than she can ever know, and she reminds me of the press and their never ending attacks on Al Gore. That worked out well, didn't it?

BevD,

You just made the case, vitriol and all, for why the African-American voters who were initially with Hillary Clinton abandoned her in droves for good after Bill Clinton betrayed them with his comments followed by much reinforcement from Clinton surrogates (see Keith Olbermann). If Toni Morrison wrote a poem about Bill Clinton today, I think it she would more likely tag him as Judas than as the "first black president"

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I was being tactful. You and people like you are the democrats worst enemy. You're completely without a conscience.

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Well said Bev

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Is there a way to disagree with you without going to eleven? Overagreesive, overreaching statements are a good sign of one whose lost control of the debate, of its outcome, and knows it.

I prefer to believe that I didn't leave Hillary, but more, that she left me.

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Sure, don't lie, don't try to bullshit and don't compromise on the truth. When you make a habit of it as Amber does, then you deserve it.

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Ah, them classy Clinton supporters strike again!

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I support the DEMOCRATIC candidate - the prize isn't the nomination, it's the election.

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"I would imagine that Clinton on some level does feel a sense of betrayal by Richardson and Obama. Richardson owes his career to the Clintons, and the Clintons held fund raisers and campaigned for Obama in his career."


Thank you for this valuable insight. I never would have guessed that Obama was so indebted to the Clintons that he shouldn't have run for president. If we look, I bet we'll find that every Democrat in this year's race owed the Clintons for some small favor. If they had all been honorable then she would have run unopposed for the nomination, the coronation would have proceeded and the Clinton Restoration would be on schedule. No wonder Hillary Clinton is so annoyed.

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No one said that, knock off the crap. I know it's hard for some to comprehend but these are real people, and yes on some level I would imagine this really stings. Unless you're bereft of human empathy, I would think you might understand that.

Bev,
Whether the emotional response from the Clinton side is justifiable is a worthwhile and debatable point. Let's concede that Clinton supporters are understandably feeling betrayed and upset. How appropriate is it to respond so negatively and publicly? Is it because they have such a strong campaign, or is it because their side is feeling wounded and against the ropes? Was this response from Carville professional, from one colleague to another? Do its motivations reflect a 20-year relationship or a single-minded short-term pursuit?

It's not written anywhere in the Constitution that people should vote for the candidate who is X, Y, or Z. There's no Elections Rulebook to tell us to vote for the person who is best for the job, or for the person who's worst for the job, or for the person to whom we feel loyal because they gave us our job.

Can you really blame someone for making this choice on his principles, or on the basis of who he thinks will be the best president? On the other hand, can you blame someone for determining their choice on the basis of loyalty?

The answer to both questions is no. People are free to choose based on whatever criteria they decide are important, and they ought to feel they can make their choice without being called terrible names and accused of party treason. This is an election and the candidates ought to be trying to persuade people, not alleging desertion and making attacks when things don't go their way. Attacking someone for making THEIR OWN HONEST BEST CHOICE is undemocratic and unamerican. The response from Carville has the stink of a tantrum about it.

The Clinton side has the chance to denounce Carville's comment. They have the opportunity to be the bigger man (no offense intended, just an expression), get over their feelings of betrayal, congratulate Obama on the endorsement, and wish Richardson well in the future. They could be really classy about this and project the appearance of strength and confidence in spite of the perceived defection. Instead, Carville's comparing the governor of a key swing state to the Great Betrayer, and Clinton has given tacit approval by not speaking out against his comments.

Full disclosure: I support Obama. I don't have any deal-breaking problems with Clinton, though, and this incident doesn't break it for me either. I will vote for Clinton in the fall if she gets the nomination. I care more about getting a Democrat in the White House than any of these silly party divisions. But on this one, I have to call it as I see it. I think it's a tantrum, and that the right thing for Clinton to do is denounce Carville's comment. This kind of discourse coming from a party elder like Carville to another Dem luminary like Richardson is truly bad for the party.

Amber, I think Bill Richardson should say and do whatever Bill Richardson wants to do. But is Carville's outburst really anything more than just an outburst? Wouldn't you be kind of ticked at Richardson? That doesn't mean that Richardson has done anything wrong or immoral. It just means that the people around the Clintons who know Richardson well and have worked with him just kind of thought that if he wasn't going to endorse Hillary he wouldn't endorse at all and when he endorsed Obama, the hot headed Carville got mad and called him Judas.

People can be understandably mad about something even if they're not right.

I learned when I got into this debate with Reed Hundt that it's not fair to say that all Clinton appointees have to endorse Hillary. So I won't argue that. But it's still frustrating even for me to see former Clinton people come out for Obama.

Somebody once said on this site that if Hillary weren't running Bill would probably be the most enthusiastic Obama supporter in the country. So maybe that explains some of what's going on. Liking Bill and liking Obama just make sense together.

You are right, Carville does that from time to time. This one just makes me smile. Not at anyones hurt feelings mind you.

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Frankly, I hope she slaps the shit outta Richardson the next time she sees him. But at least he called her. I think it laughable that Bill Bradley said his conversation about who he favored wasn't "pleasant" either. pfft...had more to do with bradley being a complete ass........

I get it - Hillary before personal principles?

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NO, cause I'd be slapping him too if I could get ahold of him. Thought he was smarter than that....but alas......he isn't

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Well someone has to ask Amber. Are you un-american?

Wow, that sounds SO FAMILIAR, like the sort of things the Clintons have been asking of Obama!

I'm as American as nachos and Velveeta cheese (a purely American invention). Lou Dobbs would probably disagree.

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Still.....that doesn't make you unamerican ..does it. velveeta and all

Thank you for being clear on who you really are.

Hmm.. good question.. are you a jingoist asshole?

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Yes probably but I am still trying to see if Amber is un-american

You just made the case, vitriol and all, for why the African-American voters who were initially with Hillary Clinton abandoned her in droves for good after Bill Clinton betrayed them with his comments followed by much reinforcement from Clinton surrogates (see Keith Olbermann). If Toni Morrison wrote a poem about Bill Clinton today, I think it she would more likely tag him as Judas than as the "first black president."

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Oh, I see, it's okay for Toni Morrison to make shitty comments.

Maybe if Richardson is throwing a party and didn't invite the Clintons, then he's a cretin, but for &^%'s sake he is exercising his VOTE. He should only vote in full conscience that his decision is based on what he believes is best for the country. Murtha, who is anti-war, threw his support behind Hillary, but at least the anti-war faction of the party didn't demand an explanation for his support or trash him as if he *belongs* to them or *owes* them his loyalty.

That is different - he SUPPORTS Clinton.

Those who support Clinton are intelligent, discerning, loyal democrats.

Those who do not are ____________________________.

Get it?

Ugh, I just got a very bad Bush flashback with that one. You're either for us or against us! I'm betting on McCain winning this.

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Ok....you forogt to fill in the blank

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To the best of my knowledge Carville was the offender here not Clinton, so I guess if Obama isn't responsible for the Rev. Wright Hillary isn't responsible for James Carville. Lets not forget those Obama rules.

Well, if Obama rules apply, then can we have a CLARIFICATION from Hillary and her supporters about Carville's "Judas" epithet??? And if she has kept mum and Carville has doubled down on his comments, does it mean he has tacit approval from HER???

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No cause he did do it on Holy Thursday/Good Friday...seems biblical to me. SO yes...he's a judas

Wright - not a spokesperson for Obama, preaching at his own church.

Carville - speaking on behalf of the Clinton campaign.

Otherwise, fair enough, you are right that Clinton herself did not utter those words.

Let's be clear: Paid to speak on behalf of the Clinton campaign.

Some of us may benefit from a re-acquaintance with the Constitution. Read it. The founding fathers fought for this freedom that we might VOTE and freely choose our leaders who will in turn serve us. Nobody's vote is subject to any conditions, they are FREE to vote accordinbg to their conscience, to pay someone $$$ or favors in return for their votes, that would be larceny.

You don't see Obama supporters starting threads on "Murtha anti-war traitor" for giving Hillary his vote. We're disappointed, but at least we understand he should only vote for what he believes is best for the country, and he has only his own conscience to answer to.

I am just horrified at what Hillary and her people have descended to, it is no longer the country or our rights or the rules that matter, there's no regard for the results of the democratic voting process which "should be overturned", they don't even pay lip service to the meaning of what this country is founded on or is about, it's only Hillary's winning that matters.

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Bill Richardson more than repaid Bill and Hillary Clinton by offering Monica Lewinsky a job at the UN to keep her and them out of trouble.

He served in his office well, and that should be all the repayment these craven Clintons ask for.
But to them, its all about "you owe me" and not what is best for the country.

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So you're implying that Richardson got a favour from Clinton by being appointed to a cabinet post and now that favour had been repaid.

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http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html

Would be interested to hear what the take is on the above article.

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"This may surprise you, but some people think loyalty is a virtue, and some people like Carville have written books about it."

Yes Bev.

I believe Bush is very big on loyalty. He gives positions to Arabian Horse judges, with no experience in Emergency Management, because they supported him in his campaign. Very loyal on Bush's part... he sticks with appointees, long after they've demonstrated their incompetence... VERY loyal....stuck with Rumsfeld, stuck with Brownie... stuck with Scooter...

What ever happened to loyalty for our COUNTRY, and choosing people based on their abilities? (Isn't that why Clinton supposedly chose Richardson for his appointments, or was it only so that Richardson would swear eternal loyalty to anyone named Clinton in the future?)

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Oh thanks for the clarification - you're saying that like Brownie, Richardson is incompetent and the Clintons should have thrown him over the first chance they got.

Nooooo... I think you should reread his or her message. He or she is implying that Richardson was selected by Bill Clinton because of what he could do for the country, and that Richardson has made his choice based on what he thinks Obama can do for our country. Neither choice was based on permanent personal loyalty.

You don't have to agree with Richardson. You don't have to like him. But to pretend that his selection is somehow ignoble is beyond absurd.

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Oh really? Well that's what I inferred from his response. That certainly seems to be what he was implying.

Qwerty summed the situation up in one sentence: "Richardson owes his loyalty to his country, not to Billary!" We're electing the President of our nation, not the president of our sixth grade class. Anyone who believes that Richardson is bound to remain "loyal" to the wife of his former boss instead of making a logical judgment based on reason and the facts of the ground is either mad or so emotionally invested in the success of a particular candidate that they would probably be better served if they take the rest of the week off...

The Clinton campaign keeps veering towards scorched earth tactics. The question is: is it intentional, or do they just get carried away?

I think if she got the nomination (which she won't), that she'd be all too happy to kiss our asses and tell us what we want to hear. She's a politician through and through.

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Gotta hand it to the republicans. Those who dropped out of the race knew how to read the numbers and knew that those numbers did not add up for them. And then they bowed out and got behind the number one horse.

But we DEMS are so charged up because we can smell victory in the air and both the Clinton and the Obama camps sense that they are practically a heartbeat away from the presidency.

However, if the two camps continue to behave this way, we will have a conundrum- if Obama wins, Clinton will have to work to get women to vote for Obama.

If Clinton wins, then Obama will have to work to get black voters to vote for Clinton.

And both of these groups should be "givens" within this large and inclusive tent.

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Thursday, February 14, 2008

Barack Obama: Washington Post, Chicago Tribune investigations confirm autobiography lies; now asking: Is "African-American" a lie too?
The following article with preface may be distributed. If used, please contact the author before editing and publication. The author has written and researched for the New York Times, the Miami Herald, the St. Petersburg Times, and the Jewish Information Network, among others.

Synopsis: The author opens citing the work of Mr. Richard Cohen of the Washington Post. Mr. Cohen’s columns about the “composites,” rearranged timelines, and complete fabrication of events in Sen. Obama’s autobiography are the basis for a further investigation into Mr. Obama’s claim to be “African-American.”

(NOTE: This IS NOT a rehash of the discredited discussion of either his education in Islamic schools, or any other ties to Islam. His religion, and education, outside of citing his Harvard attendance, play no role whatsoever in this article. THIS ARTICLE PRESENTS NEW, PREVIOUSLY UNPUBLISHED documentation concerning his ethnic identity claims. It is based upon original research that the author openly invites for further inquiry and academic verification in his preface to Mr. Cohen.)

Documentation of his actual ethnic background demonstrates Mr. Obama is not an “African-American” as defined in United States law. This research was initiated by a request from a daily news publication of international reputation in New York City.

The story then moves to documenting his father’s genealogy. This study indicates Sen. Obama is actually Arab-American. The significance of this is that “the soul and substance of Mr. Obama’s claim to fame” rest entirely on his being “the first” African-American to achieve whatever it is that Mr. Obama is claiming at the time. If Mr. Obama is not legally an African-American, then his claims collapse. While there may still be historic firsts, for example, being the first Arab-American to be the president of the Harvard Law Review, those claims are not the star-appeal of his entire political life, and the basis of his current celebrity star status. If he is not African-American, then he is not what has propelled him up the political ladder; he is not, as described by one journalist riding Mr. Obama’s campaign plane, what is currently capturing America’s “cult” attention.

The author includes a section that notes the double-standard Oprah Winfrey applied in her handling of Mr. Obama’s autobiographical fabrications vis a vis her reaction to much less in a book by another author she promoted. It calls upon her to explain her double-standards, and asks, reasonably under the circumstances, if her double-standards are racist.

The article concludes by citing the importance of recognizing that Mr. Obama’s image of himself is built on lies. It challenges the reader to ask if his or her own racist presumptions of ethnic identity tied to physical appearance are at play.

The encapsulation of the final question put to the reader is to ask, “If we elect a person whose entire image is based on lies, and citing again the documentation of Mr. Cohen and the Washington Post to show he continues to lie without conscience as a matter of habit, should the burden fall upon him when we feel the anger of being lied to, or in fact, is it we who should be the object of our anger when it is we who first lied to ourselves when we decided to accept his lies, knowing all along that he was lying to us?”


Monday, Feb. 11, 2008

To: Richard Cohen, Columnist, the Washington Post

From: Kenneth E. Lamb
kenneth@kennthelamb.com


Dear Mr. Cohen:

Earlier today, I sent you an email about Sen. Obama. In the course of reviewing it for final draft, I made some changes; for one thing, I upped the number of references to your columns. What follows below is the final draft – it varies significantly from the prior draft by placing more responsibility upon “us” of the American body politic for lying to ourselves, and using racist presumptions to allow Mr. Obama to lie to us as well.

With this amendment, I send to you what I hope will be the first read of the article, and hopefully it may provoke all of us to reexamine ourselves in light of the Obama mania sweeping America.

That said, the rest of the email and article follows with the introduction I sent below for the sake of continuity with my previous communication to you. While similar at first, it is now much more pointed in its condemnation of us for lying to ourselves, again, about whom we elect, and why.


Dear Mr. Cohen:

I’m using my real name for this, even though I’m not a celebrity so you won’t recognize it; I’m doing it because what will follow is a matter I’m serious about, and I believe you are serious about it too.

There is a professional reason that I am emailing this to you as well. I use your name in it and cite your columns in five different places in this article, and so I owe you the professional respect of making you aware of it.

I’ve written for the NY Times, the Miami Herald, the St. Petersburg Times, and the Jewish Information Network. I add this upfront for credibility. I know you are flooded with crackpots, so I admit that as someone whose name you don’t know, I’m trying to establish my credibility at the top of this email to you.

That said, I would be happy to discuss the contents of the article below with you. It was a News Corp. publication that I refer to in stating the genesis of the research that follows, although I don’t name it for general circulation.

Again, everything in this article is documented, and I can get with your choice of researchers to have them document my documentation.

Let me close this preface with the close I use for my article below:

“Why am I writing this? Maybe I just want a clear conscience, clear that the research I did didn’t get buried because the people who received it are afraid to tell the truth in the face of Sen. Obama’s frenzied celebrity status. I’ve been in the business since 1972 - 35 years - writing and researching for people like the NY Times, the Miami Herald, the St. Petersburg Times, The Jewish Information Network, so I know what it’s like on the newsroom floor right now. Nobody can dare speak against Sen. Obama without generating at least a flickering flame of doubt about his or her own sanity – not to mention the knee-jerk reaction that questioning him is indicative of some deep, dark, racist agenda spurring those questions on.

“And truth? I ask as Pilate asked, ‘What is truth?’ Who cares about truth? This is history; this is the first time ever in America – why let truth get in the way of chronicling history? (. . . I wrote facetiously.)

“Maybe I just want to know that if he gets the presidency, he will get it honestly – if this is general knowledge, and he overcomes it. Maybe I’m just tired of presidents who lie to us; and in this case, I already know Mr. Obama will lie to us, just as he lied in his autobiography, and on so many other occasions documented by Mr. Cohen, by the Washington Post’s fact checker, and so many others.

“And maybe I’m tired of us lying to ourselves. Mr. Obama is what we’ve lied ourselves into believing he is.

“Maybe by saying that I know he lied, and saying that we lied to ourselves, I will say after he is elected that nobody has any right to complain about him lying after he takes the oath of office, when everybody knew he lied about so many other things – when we lied to ourselves about so many other things, so very long before that.”
-30-

Here goes:


By Kenneth E. Lamb

Sen. Obama's autobiography is filled with "composite" characters, rearranged timelines, and fantasy events that never occurred. I read that twice in the Washington Post - read Richard Cohen's columns of Jan. 1, 2008, and March 27, 2007, for yourself.

There are more articles than that, by more authors than just Mr. Cohen, but I wanted to get started by saying that what follows isn't just something I'm pulling out of thin air. What follows is serious, documented, and not at all what those who want to write history about the election of the first so-called "African-American" president, want in the least to admit is true - and why its truth matters more than their desire to ignore the truth for the sake of their desire to write history.

While his shrill wife objects, the truth is that Sen. Obama's life, as he wrote about himself in his autobiography, is, in fact, nothing but a fairy tale. Again, don't take my word for it - read Mr. Cohen's, and others, articles about it.

If what Mr. Cohen writes are truths, then what Mr. Obama wrote are lies. It's just as simple as that.

Yet there is not one word from the "Last Bastions of Accuracy" that comprise our first-tier information enterprises about the complete lack of integrity Sen. Obama shows with his fictional life history. He lies, but his lies are swept under the rug by a groupthink mentality that is so desperate to regain leadership positions - as opposed to actual leadership programs to earn those leadership positions - that it ignores the truth that Sen. Obama lies - about himself, about his life, about his actions - and even about his racial composition.

I researched what follows for a NY daily of international reputation. It wasn't what I thought I'd find. I documented it, presented it to the Washington Bureau Chief, but was hardly surprised that it never saw ink. As you'll see for yourself, this is the political equivalent of a nuclear bomb.

I must pause very briefly to note usage of the word Negro in what follows: In all academic studies of race, the proper scientific word for the ethnic composition I discuss is Negro. For any who scream racist at its mention, I say take it up with the scientific community. It's not my word, it's theirs. I am using it in its proper scientific context.

Why is the fact that Mr. Obama is only 6.25% African Negro not reported?

Because to acknowledge it is to report this devastating truth about him: Mr. Obama is not legally African-American. It is impossible for him to be, in truth, America's first African-American president.

Federal law requires that to claim a minority status, you must be at least 1/8 of the descriptor, but for the sake of this article, I've converted it to a decimal fraction for easier comprehension. You must be at least 12.5% of the racial component you claim for minority status. Mr. Obama, claiming to be African-American, is half the legal threshold.

Again, to let it sink in: Mr. Obama is not legally African-American. It is impossible for him to be, in truth, America's first African-American president.

Yet claiming to be African-American is the soul and substance of his claim to fame. It is what he has used throughout his adult life to distinguish himself from other competitors. It is the ethnic identity he proclaims, and it is the ethnic identity he craves. Without it, he is just another mixed race Caucasian Arab with an African influence playing on his skin’s pigmentation.

But no matter what he craves, no matter what he has used to propel himself through life, no matter the racist presumption of seeing his skin and without question calling him black, the hard, cold, genetically inarguable reality remains: he is not an African-American.

Mr. Obama is 50% Caucasian, that from his mother. What those who want Mr. Obama to write history by becoming "America's first African-American president" ignore is that his father was ethnically Arabic, with only 1 relative ethnically African Negro - a maternal great-grandparent (Sen. Obama's great-great grandparent, thus the 6.25% ethnic contribution to the senator's ethnic composition.).

That means that Mr. Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side. He is 43.75% Arabic, and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side.

Put another way, his father could honestly claim African-American ethnic classification. He was the last generation able to do so.

Sen. Obama could honestly say, "My father was African-American." Racist presumptions led an Ivy League admissions committee, and lazy "newspapers of record" factcheckers, to presume that if his father is African-American, then Sen. Obama must be African-American also.

But it doesn't work that way. Racist presumptions coupled with sloppy vetting don't turn a lie into the truth.

Sen. Obama is one generation too far removed from the ethnic African Negro input to make the same claim as his father, Harvard's Admission's stamp of approval notwithstanding.

As you can see for yourself, Sen. Obama's African-American ethnic claim, when properly researched and documented, is a lie.

The question no one wants to answer - particularly Mr. Obama and his supporters, is, "Why do you think he has an Arabic name? Why does his father have an Arabic name? Why does every ancestor on his father's side have an Arabic name?"

The answer is obvious: They have Arabic names because his father's side of the family tree is Arabic.

Need proof? Research the Kenyan records for yourself. You will find that his father was officially classified as "Arab African" by the Kenyan government.

But in America's current political climate, that truth is heresy; that truth is "an inconvenient truth." It is the political equivalent in our time to what Galileo's scientific pronouncements were in his time: it is true, but nobody wants to know the truth because the lie is so much more comforting.

That is why detractors of this truth will do everything to denounce it, except submit to the discipline of actually researching it.

There's a reason for that: it proves he is not sufficiently Negro to earn classification under American law as an African-American.

For Sen. Obama, telling the truth means he will give up all the accolades about being the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, an accolade that relies on a sleight-of-hand in job titling that changed the name of the top job from Editor to President.

If stated in its absolute truth, Mr. Obama was the second person of color to run the Review. He was beat to the Review's top spot by a true African-American about 60 years before Mr. Obama showed up for classes.

Again, a very inconvenient truth.

That is devastating in itself. The further effect is that Mr. Obama would have to convince Americans still reeling from 9/11, Afghanistan, and Iraq, that now is the time for America's first Arab-American president.

We all know what chance that has of succeeding.

Of course, that would only happen if Mr. Obama told the truth about his racial composition. To tell the truth means Mr. Obama will have to admit that which he has never been forced to admit before, even in the face of the massive lies of his autobiography: Mr. Obama's entire projection of who he is, and what he is, is a lie.

Mr. Obama would have to say to the world: "I am not what I've told you I am. I lied to you in my autobiography when I told you I am black. I lied to the Admission Committee at Harvard so I could get in. I lied to my constituents in Chicago so I could get elected to the State Senate. I lied to my constituents in Illinois so I could get elected to the US Senate. I lied to my supporters across America so I could be President.

"I have lied all during my life to play the race card, and use it, cynically, to advance myself by playing upon the racist presumption of Americans to accept, without question, that anyone of color is African-American. I lied to you, and you blindly accepted it, because of your own racist presumptions about color, and ethnic identity. I looked African-American, and your racist presumptions told you to believe it."

Even as you read this, the overwhelming majority of you will continue to believe it. Even as you know the truth, you will block the truth out of your mind, because you are bred to accept the racist presumption of color, and ethnic identity.

And so many of you reading this will create incredible mental gymnastics, telling yourself why the truth doesn't matter. You will lie to yourself because you want to believe the lie, and then curse the American body politic for being built on lies.

You will do this all while failing to tell yourself the truth that it is your lies, as much as any other lies, that are killing the body. You will commit the very action that you curse as the cause of America's demise, because you are jaded beyond recognizing in yourself the very same disease you so freely condemn in others.

Here is the truth about Mr. Obama's name, and his father's ancestors:

True Negro tribal members of western Kenya where his father was born have Christian names, not Arabic. His father's decision to name him with an Arabic name is a matter of his father establishing his ethnic identity in Africa - it is done deliberately to separate him from the African tribes. He may live among them, but he is not one of them. His father's message is that he is Arabic, not Negro.

Many will find these truths unsettling. I'm often asked, "But I thought his father was Kenyan. How could Mr. Obama not be African-American, how could his ethnic composition be so Arabic?"

The definitive clue to that answer is to look at his name, his father's name, and the names of all his ancestors on his father's side. They are all Arabic.

Researching his roots reveal that on his father's side, he is descended from Arab slave traders. They operated under an extended grant from Queen Victoria, who gave them the right to continue the slave trade in exchange for helping the British defeat the Madhi Army in southern Sudan and the Upper Nile region. Funny how circular is history; now the British again face the Madhi Army, albeit this time Shiite, not Sunni, as in nineteenth century Sudan.

But telling America's black community that while their ancestors were breaking the shackles of slavery, Mr. Obama's ancestors were placing those shackles upon their wrists would hardly play as an Oprah Winfrey best-seller.

Being the son of a poor Kenyan goat-herder plays much better than being the son of a highly placed Arab-African who operated at the top of the Kenyan government following his education at Columbia. You see, even the way he portrays his father is a lie.

We need to linger for a moment on Ms. Winfrey, and her support for Mr. Obama. A very serious problem arises with Ms. Winfrey because of her double-standards: Does everyone remember how she went ballistic when a person whose book she endorsed turned out to be dishonest about what he said about his life in his book?

Of course you do. She pulled the plug on him and forced him into a highly publicized "Mea Culpa" of near groveling for her forgiveness. She publicly humiliated him, and would actually twist-up into contorted faces, visibly hot with anger.

Why then does Ms. Winfrey operate with a double standard for Mr. Obama? She knows his so-called autobiography is replete with "composites" - an Orwellian word for fictional characters that never existed but in Mr. Obama's imagination, even though he addresses them in his autobiography as if they are real people. They aren't; they are lies.

So are his timelines, chopped up and rearranged for Mr. Obama's aggrandizement. And there are the complete lies about events he said specifically impacted his life - events that never occurred despite his writing that they did. They too are lies.

As I said, don’t take my word for it; read Mr. Cohen’s columns in the Washington Post for the details.

Why then does she not hold him to the same standards she held another author?

She doesn't say, but the possibility that the reason is race-based is fair to ask. What Mr. Obama did is far beyond what the other author did. Why then, public humiliation for one, but campaign whistle-stops for the other?

Ms. Winfrey needs to tell us why. Her integrity is on the line.

Mr. Obama has struggled all his life trying to prove that he is black enough to be called black.

The truth is that if Mr. Obama is elected, his primary ethnic composition is Caucasian, but of course, that carries no cachet.

So if we look at his next predominant ethnic component, Mr. Obama would be America's first Arab-American president. The truth is that his name says it all.

What amazes me more than anything else about Mr. Obama's heritage is the unwillingness of anyone in the journalism profession to want to know the truth. While all this is easily documentable, it is so radioactive that no one wants to be on the receiving end of the racist charges that will bombard whoever broaches the truth.

It is another example of how America's political system is further degenerating into fairy tales and lies. Torpedo boat attacks in Viet Nam, WMD's in Iraq, Sen. Obama is African-American; we shamelessly lie to ourselves to rationalize whatever we want to believe.

But I wrote this tonight because I'm tired of reading about "integrity" written by those who have none themselves. They know Mr. Obama's autobiography is filled with lies from start to finish, they know he lies about what his operatives do (the Apple advertisement knock-off against Hills immediately comes to mind), and for those who circulated my research, they know he is not legally black.

But for those longing for Camelot, for those who feel a good story trumps the truth, for those who are so jaded about others that they now live as those they profess to hate, for those who are terrorized by the racist attacks these truths bring, the integrity of Sen. Obama doesn't matter.

Because their own integrity doesn't matter to them either.

Why am I writing this? Maybe I just want a clear conscience, clear that the research I did didn’t get buried because the people who received it are afraid to tell the truth in the face of Sen. Obama’s frenzied celebrity status. I’ve been in the business since 1972 - 35 years - writing and researching for people like the NY Times, the Miami Herald, the St. Petersburg Times, The Jewish Information Network, so I know what it’s like on the newsroom floor right now. Nobody can dare speak against Sen. Obama without generating at least a flickering flame of doubt about his or her own sanity – not to mention the knee-jerk reaction that questioning him is indicative of some deep, dark, racist agenda spurring those questions on.

And truth? I ask as Pilate asked, “What is truth?” Who cares about truth? This is history; this is the first time ever in America – why let truth get in the way of chronicling history? (. . . I wrote facetiously.)

Maybe I just want to know that if he gets the presidency, he will get it honestly – if this is general knowledge, and he overcomes it. Maybe I’m just tired of presidents who lie to us; and in this case, I already know Mr. Obama will lie to us, just as he lied in his autobiography, and on so many other occasions documented by Mr. Cohen, by Michael Dobbs, the Washington Post’s factchecker, and so many others.

And maybe I’m tired of us lying to ourselves. Mr. Obama is what we’ve lied ourselves into believing he is.

Maybe by saying that I know he lied, and saying that we lied to ourselves, I will say after he is elected that nobody has any right to complain about him lying after he takes the oath of office, when everybody knew he lied about so many other things – when we lied to ourselves about so many other things, so very long before that.
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Posted by Kenneth E. Lamb at 8:46:00 PM

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Can I suggest you post this as a separate comment?

ah yes. post it as a separate comment all you want. Glad you spoke up for your buddy there - the two of you can debate the value of 6.25% ethnic contribution until you go blue in the face.

What will the Clintonistas be promoting next?

Phrenology?

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I just read the very long post from above.

Excuse me, but that is 100% horsecrap.

To damn a person for his genealogy is just plain old idiotic, a page right out of the right-wing playbook.

This is just utter nonsense.

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Only an Obamaista would read that then call in BS...LOL....incredible.....lol....good lord

do trolls not have a sense of smell?

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Nice side picture..did you draw it?

Arab-African families are highly common at all levels of society in East Africa. Indeed, Somalis and Djiboutians, who are considered by many to be a part of "black Africa," consider themselves to fully Arab (both nations are full members of the Arab league). While Kenya is a predominantly Christian and black African nation, there has been quite a bit of cross-cultural interaction between Arabs and native Kenyan tribes for centuries. For a Western reporter to try to distinguish between the idea of a pure black Kenyan and a false Arab African Kenyan is to promote a fallacious exercise in futility. For an educated American to buy into such an analysis? That is a travesty.

6.25% African Negro from his father's side

I guess for those of us who measure someone in percentages of ethnic contributions - this painful post was a coup d'etat.

For the rest of us - you have finally played the entirety of your hand

Typical
Republican
Obfuscator
Living
Lies

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I didn't write this - I posted it as it was found at:

http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html

"What amazes me more than anything else about Mr. Obama's heritage is the unwillingness of anyone in the journalism profession to want to know the truth. While all this is easily documentable, it is so radioactive that no one wants to be on the receiving end of the racist charges that will bombard whoever broaches the truth."

I can understand that quote completely.

But again - I didn't write it - I was surfing the net looking for information about Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton to determine who I wanted to cast my vote for in the Primary Election and eventually in the General Election. This article troubled me and instantly brought to mind the victims and families of 9/11.

I would very much like the media to do the research and announce to the world whether the information is accurate or inaccurate.

I hate to break it to you d54, but the vast majority of the Democratic party is not interested in engaging in fear-mongering and race-baiting.

The bulk of the Dixiecrats left the party long ago.

Perhaps you should follow.

don't worry - d54 only joined us to post that gibberish.

I just wish there was a moderator who could delete that painfully long post. On the other hand, it certainly ends the commenting section.

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Dang... this isn't about race... it is about telling the truth... being honest... the race issue is simply one of the things he is not being honest about. Everything in the article has been documented.

Again, I didn't write the article, I found it when surfing for information on both candidates to help me make an educated decision on which candidate lies the least... after all... everyone knows that an 'honest politician' is an oxymoron.

Why would I care what percentage of ethnic contribution it took to get someone to call themselves black? Why do I care about anything of the sort? If it is not about race, then why would you post such an article?

If someone says they are Irish, I do not ask for blood samples and a genealogy chart.

You are here to troll. Move on please.

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Nessy, its that Ironical thing that is coming back to bite you in the ass.

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Regarding the original article:

"Her insults whether through her words or actions or by those of surrogates like Bill and Carville, I now see as insults not only to Obama, but to his supporters."

This doesn't fly. If this were a valid argument then the following would be a valid argument as well:

His insults whether through his words or actions or by those of surrogates like Rezko, Farrakhan and Wright, I now see as insults not only to the Democratic Party, but to the American people.

Wow, is it a full moon out tonight? Democrats are turning into Zell Miller all over the place.

Unfortunately no, Zell was somewhat amusing.

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Does it matter what affiliation a voter is? If you're looking for a label, fine, I'm a Democrat, in search of the truth to help me make and informed decision. I believe that every voter has a right to make his or her own decision as well.

Actually yes, if you just said you were a Republican I would feel free to say you were full of%$#@ and @#$^%&&&%$$#@#$%^&&^%$#@$%% with sheep @#$%^%%#$$%$#$ a slow horrible @#$$%%^$$@@

But alas I can't, we must maintain party unity. Because man those other guys have some weird issues with race.

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The thing that angers me most about this election, is that all voters have forgotten what we are trying to do. There is no reason for labels other than fellow Americans. As fellow Americans and voters, we have the responsibility to thoroughly research every candidate in the presidental primary. It is our responsibility to vote for the best candidate available on the ticket. We do this by determining what we need to make our lives better. We need affordable health care. We need better educational facilities. We need higher standards for education. We need more jobs. We need not just more jobs but better paying jobs. We need a candidate to fix the mess that our ecomony is in.
I still do not know who the best person is for the job, but I do know that we need to stop fighting and name-calling and to spend more time working together to get what Americans need, what we need. We need a President who will work for us and be held accountable.

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We need a stronger retirement system that will take care of us in our futures. We need to stop polluting our water and food supplies. We need to clean up our environment so that America can thrive again.


And how, exactly, are your recent postings going to aid the Democratic Party and its candidates in the quest to build a stronger retirement system, limit water pollution and so on?

What does your fixation with the percentage of Arab-African to "black African" blood within Obama have to do with any of these issues? The sad thing, d54, is that, even if you are a real Democrat, none of us are going to take you seriously after you have attempted to make a big deal about ethnic and racial distinctions which, as I pointed above, are not considered strange or controversial within East Africa due to the constance presence of Arab-Africans in East Africa for over a millennium. Lebanese Arabs consider themselves to be white, and Somali Arabs are considered by the entire Western world to be black. As a result, it should not be surprising that the son of a Luo-Arab is going to identify himself in relation to: what he remembers of his father; what he has learned from his African relatives; what he has learned from his white family members on his maternal side; and what he has learned on the street in America (i.e., if you look black, you're treated as if you are black).

None of these facts have any bearing on the reality of this election. If you really care about real issues, you can start a thread addressing the issue and the policy positions of the two candidates. If you don't, you can continue this conversation and confirm the suspicions of others on this thread: that you are simply a troll.

The choice is yours.

"addressing the issue and the policy positions" should be "address an issue and the related policy positions"

Oh, now I get it. Rev. Wright proves that Sen. Obama is a fanatical black nationalist. But d54 proves that he's just a fake black man.

Very enlightening to people like me, with one white and one East African parent, to learn that we really aren't black like we've been claiming all this time -- no doubt to gain the myriad advantages of being treated as black in this society. If only I'd known. I'm sure all those middle-school bullies wouldn't have called me "n-----" and "jungle bunny" if only I'd known to set them straight.

'Documentation of his actual ethnic background demonstrates Mr. Obama is not an “African-American” as defined in United States law. '
That's funny. Because "African-American" isn't defined in United States law.

Now go away, troll.

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What makes you think that James Carville sleeps with his wife "every night" any more than Bill Clinton ever slept with his? I mean, when you marry Medusa, you try exceptionally hard not to look her in the face if you can possibly help it.

I really need to cross-post this:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/branding-as-punishment-james-c.php

It seems for all the sneering and denigration of the Clinton camp against "empty words" like "hope" and "change", they've been pretty good at spitting them out like sniper fire - "empty suit" "kool-aid latte-liberals" "dumbass with no compunctions, no morals, no ethics and no sense of fair play" (oh, the irony....), and now "Judas". A brand new "branding". Seared into Richardson like a hot iron on tender flesh, the mark of Cain, to complete the biblical metaphors here. Frankly, Carville comes across more like Sonny Corleone than a Jesus disciple.

What are words worth, indeed.

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To all Obama cult members, read this:
PJB: A Brief for Whitey
posted by Linda
By Patrick J. Buchanan

How would he pull it off? I wondered.

How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?

How would he justify not walking out as Wright spewed his venom about “the U.S. of K.K.K. America,” and howled, “God damn America!”

My hunch was right. Barack would turn the tables.

Yes, Barack agreed, Wright’s statements were “controversial,” and “divisive,” and “racially charged,” reflecting a “distorted view of America.”

But we must understand the man in full and the black experience out of which the Rev. Wright came: 350 years of slavery and segregation.

Barack then listed black grievances and informed us what white America must do to close the racial divide and heal the country.

The “white community,” said Barack, must start “acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination — and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past — are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds … .”

And what deeds must we perform to heal ourselves and our country?

The “white community” must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with “ladders of opportunity” that were “unavailable” to Barack’s and the Rev. Wright’s generations.

What is wrong with Barack’s prognosis and Barack’s cure?

Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, “everybody but the rioters themselves.”

Was “white racism” really responsible for those black men looting auto dealerships and liquor stories, and burning down their own communities, as Otto Kerner said — that liberal icon until the feds put him away for bribery.

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.

Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.

This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Barack talks about new “ladders of opportunity” for blacks.

Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for “deserving” white kids.

Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America’s fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.

We've heard ad nauseum from you, you're off-topic, troll. F%$# your spam!!

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