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I am outraged by Ferraro's comments and I am letting her know it
I rarely write strongly worded emails or letters of outrage, but the most recent issue here pushed me to the edge. She makes the case that sexism has worked against Hillary Clinton and that Obama is only where he is because he has gotten a pass as a black man. I actually think she is right on the sexism charge. I am not sure it alone has hurt Hillary, but it has been in play throughout this campaign and is even evident in the title of the article about Ferraro (using the sexist code word "emotional" to undermine her).
Ferraro's statements reinforces an outrageous notion that people of color often get the benefit of the doubt that white people do not. Wow. Has she actually spoken to African Americans, men or women. Even as a candidate for President, he is probably still more likely than me (white guy) to be pulled over for speeding in a white neighborhood. Ferraro's statement feeds right into the anti-affirmative action movement and the horrible racial scapegoating that exists in the mainstream.
I plan to let her know what I think of her comments by emailing her at gferraro@hfgcg.com. I also plan to contact her place of work and let them know the kind of person who is working for them http://www.hfgcg.com/contact.html
To me, this is not about Hillary (unless she agrees with Ferraro), but about someone with a big public voice advancing racial hostility and scapegoating. Her comments just validated every white person who blames illegal immigrants for all their ills or the black guy who got a job over them. Unbelievable.


Comments (95)
Excellent. Let them know that this Jimmy The Greek style political analysis is not acceptable.
March 10, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't sweat the small stuff.
Ferraro's opinion only carries weight in Minnesota and the District of Columbia, and they've both already voted.
March 10, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yay, way to get mad at Geraldine Ferraro, a pioneer of the women's rights movement and a national treasure. You tell her, man.
March 10, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
A national artifact, maybe. I generally think of treasure as something with lasting value. She really didn't have much value back in the day...
March 10, 2008 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
artifact is right... and one without any value...
March 11, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, because if someone's done something good in the past, we must excuse anything they do in the future. Sounds like logic to me.
March 11, 2008 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
And our new kids on the block think everything's changed, the sun now travels west to east, that work 30 years ago is trumped by the amazing revolution now.
Women didn't get the national vote until 1920. The first woman elected to the Senate that hadn't been promoted up came in 1978. The first black senator was in 1870, and the first post-reconstruction one was 1966.
33 women *total* have served on a Presidential cabinet - 1 under FDR, 1 under Eisenhower, 1 under Nixon, 1 under Ford before Carter appointed 4.
Women make up 16% of Congress, about 23% of state offices, despite being over 50% of the population.
There have been a total of 35 female senators, though the first only served 1 day. Of those 35, 18 got into office filling unexpired terms - most through appointment.
While Ferraro's run for VP was historical, Hillary's candidacy is the first serious run by a female candidate for President ever.
March 11, 2008 3:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I should have noted that only 26 of the female "cabinet positions" were the cherry "Secretary of", Attorney General or UN Ambassador positions. 14 of these have been since 1991.
There are 15 people on the President's inner cabinet, not including "cabinet level administration officials".
March 11, 2008 4:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's all cry into our mother's breasts and go vote for Hillary!
March 11, 2008 8:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Desidero,
In conjunction with the reference to the last 30 years in your previous post, you should also probably note that since 1970 only 121 women have run for US senate on a major ticket. 35-18/121 = roughly 14%!
Well, shoot. I betcha that with few exceptions, most male politicians would be thrilled at a 14% shot of a successful senate campaign.
Have we come a long way, baby? Sure. Could we come further. Absolutely. I do not think, though, that your argument the relatively low numbers of women in U.S. senate and cabinet positions supports the notion that there is rampant sexism in politics today. In point of fact, the opposite would seem to be the case - as women have been slowly (but steadily!) gaining more opportunities over the last 3 decades, they have proven to be excellent at seizing and capitalizing on them.
If Senator Clinton loses this nomination, so be it. She may be the first woman to run for president, but she certainly won't be the last. And if women enjoy the same sort of success rate in presidential politics as they have in senatorial races, a woman president is virtually inevitable - and soon!
But I do not think it is a legitimate supporting argument to assert 17 elected female U.S. senators is indicative of modern political sexism when women have only had true political opportunity over the last 30 or so years.
March 11, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
So back of the bus for Obama because women got the vote later than Blacks (black men) and because there was a black senator before a female senator? Do you even understand the implication of what you are saying and the ramifications for the Democratic party (not to mention common decency)?
Ferraro's comments are wrong, period. That does not denigrate the fact that women have it tough and have obstacles. When people have said Hillary is lucky she was married to Bill and that is why she is where she is, they get slammed for sexism. I guess that is a one way street.
Can we not agree that both candidates have obstacles to overcome because of their race and gender or must we fight that Gender is 23% more of an obstacle than race?
March 11, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is like the 5th black man in the history of this screwed-up country to serve in the Senate. How's that for statistics?
And has anyone on this thread ever noticed what the criminal 'justice' system does to the black community? I've had my struggles (48 yr old white chick) but how exactly has my life been harder that of any person of color? When Democrats start fighting about who was most disadvantaged...hey, who's going to vote for a disadvantaged candidate? At what point does Hillary convince everyone she can't possibly be president because she says she'd be at a disadvantage with any male leader?
March 11, 2008 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
As someone who could be considered a radical (but I provide a twist in that I ally myself with transgendered people and could also be considered sex positive) black feminist, I just want to let you know that you really don't want to go down this road.
Blacks (as a whole) didn't get the right to realize the vote until well into the 1900s and were only able to realize that fully with the 1965 Voting Rights Act. You don't want to get into a cycle of oppression olympics, because what you'd have to do is co-opt the experiences of women of color who experienced an entirely different reality than white women and yes Ferraro is a product of this system. Melissa Harris-Lacewell has written extensively on the dangerous trap that white women get into when talking about oppression, because they will have to start looking at the ways in which they have oppressed.
The reason no one has attacked you on these garbage statistics you're pulling out is because not enough people know the history of this country and how racism and sexism have worked together to make sure that people of color and women of color go largely uncounted. It's called intersectionality and when you get into your second year of Women's studies maybe you'll learn that women of color have been writing about the sexism that they receive as well as the men in their communities.
So let's backtrack, why don't we? There have been more white women in positions of government/power than there have been black men/women or women in the cabinet or in the government period. Go look it up. It's not a game of oppression olympics but as long as you want to play it that way, you're going to lose because the simple fact is, as you try to lump all women's experiences together under the banner of second-wave feminism's identity you ignore that we do not all experience womanhood and female identity in the same way. We don't have the same gender identity as you do and the more you try to lump us together, the more you're going to get this incredible break.
33 women *total* have served on a Presidential cabinet - 1 under FDR, 1 under Eisenhower, 1 under Nixon, 1 under Ford before Carter appointed 4.
Women make up 16% of Congress, about 23% of state offices, despite being over 50% of the population.
There have been a total of 35 female senators, though the first only served 1 day. Of those 35, 18 got into office filling unexpired terms - most through appointment.
When you looked these up, did you note what colors of people were missing? Did you note the Asians, Blacks, Latinos, Native Americans missing? Did you note how it's hard for women of color to get into these spots, and it's not just because they're women, it's because of intersectionality.
This isn't about you(white women) against us (black people or other people of color), because believe it or not some of us are black and women and we don't agree with Hillary Clinton and we're not sexist, but we definitely recognize that in your thrust for "equality", you're stepping on a lot of toes and rewriting and compartmentalizing a lot of history. You can start by reading things by Audre Lorde, bell hooks, Andrea Smith, Cherrie Moraga, Gloria Anzaldu, Tamara Nopper and the writings of women of color third world and otherwise.
It's not all, "sexism or nothing", "racism or nothing", "heterosexism or nothing". There's a huge web there and it's interlinked. So yes, sexism is affecting Hillary Clinton, I would never argue it wasn't.. but sexism isn't the only thing because she has a history.
March 11, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe not that melodramatic, but please cool your jets about this "you" (white women) and "us" (black women) thing. I'm white and middle-class and female and well aware of the privileged existence I've led when compared with blacks or indeed anyone without money or influence. So careful about your characterizations, please.
I'm Obamic because I think he'd be a smarter, more effective, and more unifying president. I used to be neutral about Clinton, but no more; she lost me a long time ago.
March 11, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
And how exactly does that make it easy for a black man. Lucky? like it is some kind of affirmative action thing?
Obama had to work his butt up from ground. He had no money, no connections, and a really different name. He had to convince downstate white farmers in Illinois and the rich white suburbs. The Iowa primary, 95% white, just shows his appeal.
On Charlie Rose back in 2004 when Charlie asked him since he is half white, if he felt he really was an African American.
He replied. I know it when I try to catch a cab.
So he has been lucky? Got where he is only because he is a black man?
He has created this success despite the fact that he is black, not because of it.
It is amazing that Ferraro and Hillary could do this to the democratic party. The party of racial and gender equality. I am literally sick.
March 11, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
"National treasure"?
Hardly.
I guess I've missed all the contributions Ferraro has made to the nation. Running as VP on a doomed ticket? OK. What happened after that?
And if Obama were an attractive, charismatic white man, with the ability to excite people, he'd have this nomination locked up.
So not only is Ferraro not a "national treasure", she's just plain wrong.
March 11, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
"national treasure"
LOL
More like party hack.
And all this feminism talk is pure bunk --- where were all these " I wanna see a female president" four years ago for Carol Mosley Braun??
Oh, I see, she was black so doesn't count.
March 11, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude.
Give the old bitter lady with cancer who didn't get to be president either a break.
I mean, really, give her a break. Leave aside the fact that opression of women existed long before racism was invented. Leave aside the fact that despite many years of trying, women by and large still haven't figured out how to be both successful and likeable without being either stunningly beautiful or safely ugly. Leave aside the fact that Obama is indeed lucky to be good looking, charming and smart on the one hand and black and a smoker on the other, a combination that makes him just dangerouse enough to be appealing without being Donny Osmond.
Just admit that at the end of the day, many of us, male or female, black or white, young or old, just can't exactly see Hillary Rodham Clinton as POTUS. But let Geraldine Ferraro, who remembers what it was like to be in Hillary's spot, support Hillary anyway.
Go ahead and be outrageously indignant if you want. But I say give Ferraro a break.
March 10, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just sent her a letter as well. I admire what she has done for the country and the party but that doesn't give her a free train ride to the 1950s. When she starts talking like Trent Lott, she needs to be called on it.
March 10, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the remarks said Hillary was only in this because she is a woman and were made by an Obama surrogate certain people in this thread would be outraged.
Ferraro is a racist and I see many of you Hillary supporters continue to be apologists for bigotry and racism. I'm glad the only people who are on your side are the ignorant and aged. You are a large part of what is wrong with this nation.
March 10, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
My God, where have you been?
"Hillary's only here because of her husband." Over and over, infinite repeat. Even as far as, "it's really Bill running for a 3rd term". Over and over.
March 11, 2008 2:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are jury studies showing that jurors are more likely to believe beautiful people. If you point out to them that they have this prejudice they over-correct. Obama is getting the benefit of a similar over-correction because Americans have been told for a long time- corrrectly-- that they have been prejudiced for a long time.
The reason Ferraro's charge makes Obama supporters so angry is that is basically true. Truth hurts.
If you don't believe me, name one claim of Obama's that you have treated skeptically and investigated.
Obama did not say word one about Jesse Jackson, Jr.'s claims about whether or not Hillary cared about Katrina.
March 11, 2008 8:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
She is an accomplish politician and leader who also happens to be a woman. She has fought for equality and respect for women. I have much respect for her most of her work in the past.
However, i do agree that the public is entitled to respectfully express their disagreement of her current comments and how they play into the hands of racist and sexist thinking.
I agree with Grant Anderson. Her statements and analysis is way out of line and plays into the hands of racist that are often sexist too. Both ideas are backward and have no place in our society.
March 10, 2008 11:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ferraro was hardly a pioneer of the women's rights movement. She happened to be an up-and-coming, promising Representative from New York, who seemed to be what the Democrats needed in 1984.
It's too bad that she can't see how times have changed. It isn't that Hillary is a woman--it's that she is Hillary Rodham Clinton.
If anyone had told me at this time two years ago that Obama might have been a viable contender for the presidency, I would have mournfully said, "don't I wish." After a lifetime of studying US history, I did not honestly believe it was possible. But thanks to the vision and optimism of the American people, it is. That is not sexism, nor racism, nor reverse racism, but rather, the collective urge for a better world.
Sorry Ferraro, this does not mean your candidate, no matter how much you bash Obama.
March 10, 2008 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
The political vision espoused in Ferraro's statements cannot be excused. Her "legacy" does not get her off the hook - and if we are fair, we have to admit that we would not be making excuses for similar statements from, say, Elizabeth Dole.
As a feminist and the daughter of a feminist, I am tired of Clinton supporters trying to gain votes or political leverage from the argument that sexism is somehow worse than racism. I'm tired of the arguments that Clinton has gotten rougher treatment than Obama because she is a woman (rather than, as sg401 and others have noted, the fact that she is Hillary Clinton).
There are so many empirical, logical, and ethical fallacies in these claims that it is almost impossible to unpack them. The most important thing to keep in mind is that such claims are damaging to *everyone* working toward social justice and equality for all peoples, regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, class, sexuality, ability, or any other artificial construction of privileged division that exists within our society.
In the words of Augusto Boal, "I consider the struggle against one oppression to be indissociable from the struggle against all oppressions.”
March 11, 2008 12:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oooooh, good comment, libelian. You have real clarity.
March 11, 2008 1:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, for women to fight for their rights, they have to fight as one amongst blacks, Hispanics, gays, Italians, the disabled, the unborn...
A Civil Rights leader is something admirable.
A Women's Rights leader is a complaining lesbian in Birkenstocks and a pants suit.
March 11, 2008 4:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
HAH! :-D
Come on, now, Desidero!
"A Women's Rights leader is a complaining lesbian in Birkenstocks and a pants suit."
This isn't a knuckle-dragging conservative Republican wesite! The only people around here who think that way are the Republican trolls!
March 11, 2008 4:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, sorry, not just Republican trolls.
We have many cro-magnons in the Democratic camp as well. Sometimes they hide it well, sometimes they don't.
Look, all across America women have crap 2nd class positions in business and in politics. You don't honestly believe that it's only Republicans who discriminate against qualified employees? And women can easily be as discriminatory against women as men can.
March 11, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your comment was spot on!!!
Thank you, libelian
March 11, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
We're really going to get into an argument about whether sexism or racism is worse? Someone's going seriously arguing that Obama has advantages because he's decent looking? This is what we've come to?
Ferraro said that Obama is "lucky to be who he is." I'm not sure that being half-black, half-white from divorced parents is usually all that lucky in this country. One in 15 black adults in the U.S. are behind bars.
Of course, he is "lucky" in the sense that he was born with obvious talent and intelligence that helped enable him to succeed, though we all know that talent and intelligence are insufficient by themselves. Is he to be penalized for that? Have we truly entered the world of Harrison Bergeron?
I can't help but think that these old warriors of the feminist movement have sadly become to close to the old white men they challenged in their hey-day: bitter, resentful of change, and desperate to cling to power and their narratives. It's a real pity that they ask us to choose between sexism and racism; I can't help but note that Obama does not.
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March 11, 2008 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Give me a break - most black kids don't have white middle class grandparents to raise them and send them to prep school from the age of 10. Most black kids in 1969 didn't have a white mom who worked at the American Embassy.
In short, Obama missed out on the stereotypical poor black childhood, so let's give it a rest already. If he is who he is, it certainly wasn't through suffering as a black through poverty and lack of opportunity.
March 11, 2008 3:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
You have a point that his childhood wasn't as difficult as the "stereotypical poor black childhood," but he hasn't been completely spared the kind of treatment people with dark skin still get in this country, either.
It just seems ridiculous to get into arguments about who's the bigger victim in order to argue who "deserves" to win this nomination.
Btw, you may feel comfortable defending some of her talking points, but I caution you about defending Geraldine Ferraro completely. She really surprised me on a recent NPR interview, when she made a comment that was probably a slip-up, but I think it revealed a very possible racist predisposition. I don't know how much significance you place on Ferraro or her comments, but it might be worth your while to listen to it. I think I added a link upthread.
March 11, 2008 4:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
"...he hasn't been completely spared the kind of treatment people with dark skin still get in this country, either..." which means what?
Name a problem he had because of his race. A real one, not one imagined. Denied entrance to Columbia or Harvard? Held back in his studies or on the Harvard Law Review? Didn't get the right job offers out of school? Didn't get a book published? Was denied a house in a high cost neighborhood? Wasn't accepted by the national Democratic Party? Voters eschewed him because of his color?
Isn't part of this what Ferraro is talking about? The sympathy for Obama based on the presumption that somehow he suffered discrimination? Please, let me be the suffering child of Michael Jordan or Oprah Winfrey for even one day - all those slings and arrows and nary an advantage in life - I want to know how tough it is. I laugh when I hear Obama say things like his drug use "could push questions of who I was out of my mind, something that could flatten out the landscape of my heart, blur the edges of my memory." All his suburb friends were doing them because they were fun and easy to get - this was Hawaii after all. Yet he talks about these temptations as if he were an inner-city kid.
March 11, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can't think of one. And Hillary Clinton hasn't had a problem because she's a woman. Seriously. Name one problem Hillary Clinton has had because she's a woman?
March 11, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
True, you could say he has led a bit of a charmed life, compared to many of the tortured souls in this country.
But while you MIGHT be able argue that he hasn't encountered hardship due to his race (I'm not saying I agree with you), Ferraro goes so far as to assert that he's LUCKY to be a black man. Don't you think that goes a bit too far? Maybe into the realm of the absurd?
Anyway, like I said, I hate seeing the Dems devolve into a contest of entitlement over who's been the more oppressed. It can't be healthy. If one group tries to minimize the grievances of the other, it just creates a new set of resentments and might distract us from real progress.
March 11, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't part of this what Ferraro is talking about? The sympathy for Obama based on the presumption that somehow he suffered discrimination? Please, let me be the suffering child of Michael Jordan or Oprah Winfrey for even one day - all those slings and arrows and nary an advantage in life - I want to know how tough it is. I laugh when I hear Obama say things like his drug use "could push questions of who I was out of my mind, something that could flatten out the landscape of my heart, blur the edges of my memory." All his suburb friends were doing them because they were fun and easy to get - this was Hawaii after all. Yet he talks about these temptations as if he were an inner-city kid.
Because you know all about Hawaii right and you know what it's like to be an inner city kid? Right? Because I do, I grew up in the projects. Identity is a hard thing to grapple with, especially when there are few people who look like you around and you don't have any connection or access to those people.
I currently live in Portland, Or. and I can't tell you how much I miss the South and how often I think about being in a community that is more racially diverse and to be around people who have a shared experienced. A child that doesn't have that ability is going to struggle with it.
It's not that he suffered discrimination (which I'm sure he did, same as Hillary), but it's the fact that neither you, nor Gerraldine Ferraro, nor Hillary Clinton (all three of you are in positions that you can't possibly judge what life is like for any person of color) is equipped to say what has or hasn't gone on in our lives or to deny that there are advantages to being a white woman. One that I can think of is that you can constantly co-opt the struggles of people who do not experience femaleness or womanhood like you and pretend to be in solidarity with them, but the minute they tell you, "Wait a minute, I don't agree with that in the name of feminism?" You start your gender trumps race arguments.
Your experience is valid, it's just not my experience and I'm refusing to be a part of your "women don't get this" and "women don't get that", because a huge group of those women not achieving are disproportionately poor and of color. But you don't hesitate to use classism and regionalism against the people you dislike as you did only a few comments ago with the "hillbilly husband" comment.
March 11, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm just going to start with the fact that secret service has had to given him an extraordinary amount of security due to the race-based death threats he gets.
March 11, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow a racist apologist. Boy, that's attractive. Go ahead make excuses. You're only strengthening the fact that Clintons are shameless opportunists who will use any tactic–even racist attacks through surrogates–to win. Fact is they won't win and it has put a scar on Bill's and now Ferraro's legacy.
March 11, 2008 5:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Give me a break - most black kids don't have white middle class grandparents to raise them and send them to prep school from the age of 10. Most black kids in 1969 didn't have a white mom who worked at the American Embassy.
In short, Obama missed out on the stereotypical poor black childhood, so let's give it a rest already. If he is who he is, it certainly wasn't through suffering as a black through poverty and lack of opportunity.
Even your thoughts here are racist. The black experience isn't about stereotypical poor black upbringings. There has been a strong black middle class in this country (depending on where you look as early as the 1840s-1870s), those people aren't less black because they have money or because they were also multiracial. You want to be careful here because I know my history, half of my family weren't slaves, half of my family was freed before slavery and owned their own land. Are they less black? No.
I grew up in poverty but that's not the black experience it's part of a black experience as there is no monolithic way to be black. Same as there is no monolithic way to be a white women or even a middle class white woman, but one thing is for sure, people from outside of the group giving a "litmus" test to blackness when they have no idea what it means to be black or what black is, is unacceptable. So it's time to reframe your argument.
No, being black didn't keep him from schools or opportunities (however, you have no idea what it was like once he got to those places and I think his wife makes a pretty good argument for what it was like), but yes he did experience an aspect of blackness. Our lives are not all misery and sadness, and to paint it that way as if that's the only real way to measure it lets me know that you don't care about the people you hurt, only that you defend Clinton.
I'll tell you what I do know, in her quest to break into the "good old boy's network", she has become what she presumably was fighting against. She doesn't understand that because of her efforts younger white women are free to create identities that are not just shells of white male identity. They certainly aren't equal with white men, but to deny that they have their own agency is to do a discredit to the work that was done to ensure that they would.
There is no one story or one way to be black. You don't get to define our identities for us based on news stories and racist understandings of what you think blackness is after being fed a steady diet of garbage about black identity.
March 11, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you don't get to define her being a woman and struggling against things that you think she abandoned her principles for.
March 11, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Geraldine Ferraro is a racist, but she is colossally stupid. Ferraro was lucky to be a woman when Walter Mondale was looking for a running mate, and Hillary was lucky to have a husband who purchased a Senate seat and an entire political party for her. Talk about affirmative action ....
March 11, 2008 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I thought she was just colossally stupid too, until alert TPM blogger "DF" pointed me to an NPR interview of Geraldine Ferraro, where she makes an off-hand comment that sounds unmistakeably racist--it was perhaps a slip-up, but incredibly telling, nonetheless.
Check it out at approximately 0:43:00 in the audio interview:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=87922258
March 11, 2008 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, a lot of Democrats in the 60's thought George Wallace was a pioneer and a national treasure too. Geraldine Ferraro is carrying on that great tradition. She has tarnished her name and place in the Democratic Party the same way Bill Clinton did with his "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina too" comment and other racist spewings. African Americans can see right through this hateful rhetoric and they've showed it with their votes. Hopefully, Mississippi heard Ms. Ferraro and will let the Clintons know what they think of their racist "kitchen sink" strategy.
March 11, 2008 2:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
We're not talking about Obama driving a car.
Her comment was about Obama and his career and especially this race. You can still complain this is racist, but at least address the issue.
March 11, 2008 2:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
No he's not "lucky" to be an African-American anymore than Hillary is "lucky" to be a woman. Its a stupid line of reasoning and has no place in a Democratic Primary campaign.
March 11, 2008 6:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
As a woman of a certain age, I don't understand how some women can get so excited about the prospect of Hillary Clinton as our first woman president. I would like to see as our first female president someone who has made her own way, not someone who has piggybacked on the brand name established by her husband.
I'm sure HRC contributed a great deal to her husband's success, but that's not the same as getting elected to office on her own merits and making contributions that were uniquely hers. I would feel better about her campaign if she weren't constantly trying to take credit for events during her husband's administration, rather than on her Senate record.
March 11, 2008 4:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Explain how John McCain made it on his own - Admiral dad and granddad, second heiress wife (so really his father-in-law). John Kerry got a step up from his dad, hanging out with those well-connected people on the cape. John Kennedy had a few generations of help behind him, as did George Bush. Harry Truman had a mob boss who ran Kansas City behind him - that guy needed a war hero to put in the driver's seat.
But oh-my-fucking God, Hillary got help from the cracker redneck husband that she met when he was a year behind at Yale, just before she went to work on the Watergate committee and then moved to Fayetteville to support his failed run for Congress.
Did anyone raise a peep that BILL CLINTON GOT HELP FROM THIS BRILLIANT WOMAN?????
Bastards. Sexist fucking bastard.
March 11, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
A reminder again - of the 34 women total who served as Senator, 18 were appointed or got in through special election. Over 50%. Often replacing a husband.
So to succeed in politics as a woman, you need someone's hand up. And then you're blasted for getting a hand up.
Another rule to live by - affirmative action is great if you're black or Hispanic, but sucks if you're a woman. Deal with it - don't be shrill or a whiner.
March 11, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's actually not true, white women have been the highest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action (white women receive affirmative action and they feel the sting of it too when they're in primarily male dominated fields). Perhaps you should look how it works, they benefit twice from the fact that people usually forget that they've actually benefited from it.
By the way, some of those blacks and latinos (and yes, even Asians benefit from Affirmative Action.. though they usually tend to be Asians from lower economic backgrounds) are women. Isn't that crazy Black women, Latina women, and Asian women can benefit from Affirmative Action. What sucks for you is that you think you're out here by yourself and that no one is looking out for you and that you haven't benefited from the obvious gains that Affirmative Action has given to women.
March 11, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good comment:
"But oh-my-fucking God, Hillary got help from the cracker redneck husband that she met when he was a year behind at Yale, just before she went to work on the Watergate committee and then moved to Fayetteville to support his failed run for Congress.
"Did anyone raise a peep that BILL CLINTON GOT HELP FROM THIS BRILLIANT WOMAN?????"
I've always felt in the minority: I don't view Hillary as having been helped all that much by Bill. (Disclosure: HE's someone I have trouble being rational about. My dislike for him is visceral.) I think her career and her campaign are at their best when he is NOWHERE IN THE PICTURE. In fact, I think he has been helped by the relationship far more than she has.
But that's just my opinion.
March 11, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent points.
I guess I'm still going to be a "sexist bastard", though, because this doesn't persuade me to change my vote to Clinton.
It doesn't matter what my reasons are. I'm still a "sexist bastard", and worse, a traitor to my sex.
I love these kinds of "discussions".
March 11, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're not a sexist bastard for not liking Hillary. You're a sexist bastard if you can't acknowledge that woman help men out a hell of a lot and that it's sexist to think that men can't help women out, or to think that the good ol' boys club that makes it hard for women to rise is just fine when it helps men out. Or even ignoring this when people seem to have no trouble realizing it for racial discrimination.
March 11, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really wish there had been no email address given for Ferraro's employer, whoever it is, with suggestions to email outrages.
If Ferraro wants to make outrageous comments, that is within her right. Nothing she said can quite compare to Gloria Steinem's lurid idiocy that women suffer more than John McCain did as a POW in North Vietnam. The latter has all the sensitivity of any given pronouncement by David Duke.
I doubt either Ferraro or Steinem are helpful to Hillary but rather destructive.
As a personal note, I remember well my mother and sister telephoning me with the thrilling news Mondale had chosen Ferraro. I suggested to them, with no effect, that Mondale had made an atrocious choice. Had nothing to do with choosing a woman but rather the woman he chose. I think the aftermath bears me out.
Whatever the case, Hillary Clinton is a horrendous choice as any sort of vehicle for advancing women's status in society. Hillary, Dubya, gives corruption a bad name.
Best, Terry
March 11, 2008 6:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
You rant against "outrageous" comments and then you brand Hillary with Dubya's corruption.
Name a single thing she's done that compares with his corruption. Aside from killing Vince Foster and another dozen lovers.
March 11, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Desidero,
Easy enough.
Her amazing success in cattle futures trading on her first day was - ummm - impossible. You see there is a limit to how much contracts can go up or down in a single day. The blizzard of trades needed for the profit that first day was impossible. Quite simply a crooked broker assigned profits from other accounts to her account.
There is no need to get into more complex dealings or to involve dealings mingled with Bill.
Thank you for asking. Always glad to help. :-)
Best, Terry
March 11, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. Not much has been said about this, but if Senator Clinton is the general nominee, this is going to be front and center in the campaign.
But whooey! Someone else called Hillary a monster!!
March 11, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
That should be:
"Hillary, like Dubya, gives corruption a bad reputation."
Sorry about that.
Best, Terry
March 11, 2008 6:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever Geraldine Ferraro's historical accomplishments might be, they certainly shouldn't insulate her from criticism for her opinions in the here-and-now. I recently lost whatever residual respect I had for Ferraro after reading her incredibly patronizing Op-Ed piece in the New York Times: ostensibly a history of the Democratic "superdelegate" process, but in fact a thinly-disguised campaign ad for Hillary Clinton; larded with a sneering dismissal of the Party's (small-d-democratic) enthusiasm for Sen. Obama, and topped with a "Party-leaders-know-whats-best-for-the-Party" attitude that wouldn't have been out of place in Brezhnev's Russia. This latest screed is just typical: sorry, Gerri: BS smells the same regardless of its source.
March 11, 2008 7:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I totally agree with you:
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/post/28491876
Hillary apparently said she doesn't agree with it, but she didn't reject or denounce, or criticize in any way. If this was someone from the Obama campaign they would have been screaming for a resignation by now, and they would have gotten it by now, just look at the Samantha Power hit. She is such a hypocrite.
March 11, 2008 7:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Where is Hillary rejecting and denouncing such garbage? Why is the Obama campaign not asking HIllary to reject and denounce?
There are some comments that cannot be allowed to stand. This is one of them.
As a feminist who was so proud of Geraldine Ferraro, I am now full of outrage. I am full of outrage of these fake feminists who have blindly supported Hillary, as if she was a woman who actually pulled herself up by herself and did any of the work to build a real, accountable resume. She's a sham. She can believe her own press; but the legion of women who support her based on her being a girl make me ill.
March 11, 2008 8:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Geraldine, if he were a white man, he'd already have the nomination, you numnut.
March 11, 2008 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Desidero,
Just how the hell did Hillary Clinton suffer from sexism? She had no other real credentials than being the president's spouse, yet somehow she was able to win a U.S. Senate seat and is now perilously close to winning the Democratic nomination for president herself. How is she being oppressed? It seems to me that she has certainly been the beneficiary of fortuitous circumstances, so having one of her finance chairs say the other guy is just lucky is problematic at best.
March 11, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
The sexism is the inherent slant that if she didn't do everything herself, if someone helped her, she can't play, unlike say Al Gore whose Senator and newspaper-owning father set him up.
She's suffering from the sexism that says "let's applaud Obama's time on his Law Review and ignore Hillary's journal articles and Social Law Review board experience". She's suffering from people ignoring her time campaigning and working for the poor and for children, but every second Obama was on the South Side he becomes Martin Luther King. She's suffering for her time learning how to organize things while in school, for taking up issues, for being involved, and then a guy who moves around and can't quite figure out what he wants to do but fancies his way into a few jobs is seen as decisive.
She's suffering from helping out her husband, following him to Arkansas, doing similar college teaching and lawyering to Obama plus working for various foundations that Obama never did, but his all counts as his experience and hers doesn't count for shit.
He couldn't even manage to dig into Europe as a Senator, but his bit of work on Lugar's old nuclear non-proliferation issue counts a million times more than her travel around the world meeting leaders, working on various advocacy issues, etc.
She went door-to-door in upstate New York to make herself electable, she positioned herself well against both Giuliani and Laszlo, but all we hear is how New York was handed to her by her husband. On and on.
March 11, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I see: ANY criticism of her is sexism. She fought with tooth and nail for where she is today, and golden boy just had everything handed to him. Because she really came from a hard-scrabble background, didn't she? Park Ridge is practically Third World! And being a governor's and president's wife didn't give her any advantages at all, did it! Why, that's akin to being a sharecropper!
Your bitterness and resentment is extremely off-putting, and I can guarantee you it's not getting Clinton any votes other than from similarly bitter and resentful individuals (though admittedly such persons may be numerous). Hope versus resentment: hmmm, let's see which one people prefer.
March 11, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
There you go, she had no other credentials. Why don't you go check her activities. Typical sexism. She's on Yale's Journal for Law and Social Research board but Obama's the only one who can be a scholar. She does campaign organizing, is on the Watergate Committee, the Mondale Labor Committee, but somehow she married up to go with a redneck from Arkansas.
Do you think she was just a groupie waiting in the corner till the band finished recording?
March 11, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's obvious you have some real inner problems...you should read over your post and realize how you are so contrary.
To your own self be true...
Obama has no credentials but Hillary has...
Sexism vs Racism ...they're both present at times... FACE IT and one does not excuse the other! Hypocracy is your middle name, Desidero and don't say I'm a sexiest as I am a woman and have fought long and hard on this front!
March 11, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
She did have to claw her way to the top. I'm younger than her but I remember my first forays into the workplace. She's a brilliant, amazingly accomplished woman. On paper she's at least Obama's equal.
But she's still wrong, and still not qualified to be president, and even if she were she's a damaging, divisive, dangerous, back-room inhabiting politician I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw her. I didn't feel that way even a month ago, but now I feel sure of it.
March 11, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Darn, if I'd said "back-room dealing" I'd have had four d's in a row. Oops, sorry, this isn't a funny thread; it's a bunch of wimmin who've lost their sense of humor.
March 11, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't THAT ironic?
Is there anyone here who would argue that an up and coming no-name congressman from New York named MR. JERRY FERRARO would have been tapped to be the VP candidate in 1984? DREAM ON! Geraldine was on that ticket for one reason and one reason only... her vagina.
For her to discuss ANYONE getting the benefit of the doubt for something other than merit is laughable at best.
March 11, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I already showed that most female Senators got tapped for their positions, not elected in a general election. The system is stacked against them. And your answer to that is....?
March 11, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, let's take down Rep. Steve King for his recent bigoted comments!
There is a Democrat running against him, and all of his horrible past comments are starting to snowball against him, WE CAN WIN THIS SEAT! We just took Hastert's old seat, and we can do this!
Read about his past comments, and DONATE to his opponent, let's take him down and make the GOP waste more money in the process!! You can donate through ActBlue, there is a link to his website near the end of my post, go there! Let's show him payback is a bitch!!
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/post/28555150
March 11, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
The level of barely hidden racism in some of these postings is alarming.
Justifying bigotism against black people because women have struggled too is at least idiotic. As a minority woman, I also find it insulting.
Clinton fans are out of their minds and starting to sound dangerous and deranged in their blind, irrational hipnosis. Last week was all whining and calls for resignations because another very smart and way more accomplished woman called HRC a monster, but now bringing a typically racist argument ("minorities have it easier, end affirmative action, etc.") agains Obama is OK.
When a journalist uses the word "pimping" has to go, but when an "ethics" governor who prosecuted prostitution rings get entagled with one, clintons hearts are with him.
Tax returns, donations, and records of those years as a first lady (includies amnesties exchanged for donations) that now she claims as experience should not be make public, but if Obama points that out, he becomes Kenneth Starr.
Teas in the White House and in Arkansas, decorative trips, the Wallmart board, having screwed the healthcare reform, and accusing a 12-year-old girl of having provoked the man who raped her (her defendant) are presented as presidential experiences.
When the press barely pays attention to the secrets and lies of the clintons while SNL acts as a hillary campaing ad, the whining crowds keep crying as if she were a victim. And now, consistently, argue that racism is OK. Nice.
March 11, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice. Ferraro, with her husband's "interestingly" connected past, throwing in with the Clintons and their "interesting" past, and tossing about racist innuendo to boot.
Who's next, Hillary? Carmela Soprano?
March 11, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Grant,
Btw, nicely done post. I agree with you about Ferraro helping to bolster the anti-affirmative action and racial scapegoating forces in this country. Her remarks certainly don't sound representative of the Democratic Party, and as a highly-visible, established party member, she should be called on them.
March 11, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Geraldin's been at this for a couple weeks now. Here she is on the John Gibson Show back in Feb 26th, making herself very clear to his audience.
This whole primary has been very sad in a lot of different ways. Are difference are being used as weapons, and there seems to be no shame, even from people who've supposedly spent their whole lives fighting for "equality". I don't know what more to say about Geraldin, but I honestly hope Clinton says something to distance herself from these opinions.
March 11, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
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March 11, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is lucky he is an American because if he was Canadian he wouldn't be in the position he is in.
March 11, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm an Obama supporter. And normally I can work up as good a foam of outrage as the best of 'em. But I still think that the outrage against Ferraro is overwrought.
If you're Geraldine Ferraro, you've been a woman in a tough game for many years. You've seen firsthand the strange ways that the worm turns for "competent" women, and the frustration that goes with that. You've undoubtedly been told to your face that Mondale would have been president if he hadn't chosen you/a woman as his running mate. (Whether or not this is true is irrelevant--Ferraro identifies with Clinton, as do many women who've also experienced these frustrations.)
So if you're Gerry Ferraro you've been thinking, hey, maybe in my lifetime, a woman can be president. But it just happens that the only woman with the positioning, experience, thick skin and drive to run for president doesn't have the tone-setting, affable leadership style that it takes to actually BE president. Whereas the less-experienced, younger, less battle-hardened guy, who happens to be black, does have what it takes, at least in most peoples' eyes. So yeah, you kinda see that guy as "lucky" to be who he is, because he can transcend some things that your candidate