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HRC's two-faced strategy on superdelegates
HRC Wants it both ways:
- Supers should be independent when they come from states Hillary lost.
- But they should vote their states when she won those states.
Thus she and her surrogates smear and badmouth the likes of Kennedy, Kerry and Richardson.
In fact, while Obama overwhelmingly won places like Iowa, Georgia, etc. he doesn't get all the supers from those places because some are Hillary supporters. But I don't see any angry posts smearing those people.
See the superdelegate watch here:
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html
Take for example Alabama. Hillary has three supers from Alabama despite losing to Obama. If HRC supporters are angry at Richardson for going against his state, they should start contacting these folks to pressure them to support Obama who won their state:
DNC Joe Reed (AL)
DNC Randy Kelley (AL)
DNC Yvonne Kennedy (AL)
Other states come to mind like Iowa, Hawaii, Missouri, etc.
Rep. Leonard Boswell (IA)
DNC Sandy Opstvedt (IA)
DNC Mike Gronstal (IA)
DNC Patsy Arcenaux (LA)
DNC Renee Gill-Pratt (LA)
DNC Mary Lou Winters (LA)
Sen. Daniel Inouye (HI)
DNC Richard Port (HI)
DNC Mary Eva Candon (DC)
DNC Yolanda Caraway (DC)
DNC Hartina Flournoy (DC)
DNC Harold Ickes (DC)
DNC Ben Johnson (DC)
DNC Eric Kleinfeld (DC)
DNC Minyon Moore (DC)
DNC Elizabeth Smith (DC)
DNC Marilyn Tyler Brown (DC)
DNC Mona Mohib (DC)
Rep. Diane DeGette (CO)
DNC Manny Rodriguez (CO)
DNC Maria Handley (CO)
DNC Ramona Martinez (CO)
VP Walter Mondale (MN)
DNC Jackie Stevenson (MN)
DNC Rick Stafford (MN)
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II (MO)
Fmr. Rep. Dick Gephardt (MO)
DNC Doug Brooks (MO)
DNC Sandy Querry (MO)
And so forth. This is NOT a complete list.
Just an example of the hypocrisy of the "vote your state" Clinton propaganda.
As Kos proves here (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/7/0190/93691/842/471056), vote your state means Obama wins anyway.
So the only recourse for Clinton is to say "vote your state" when she wins a state, an "freedom of choice" when she loses.
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One more thing, I am struck by the number of non-elected party insiders on the super list. Also note that among elected officials, they break almost evenly. Hillary's big advantage is among unelected party insiders ("hacks").
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/primaries/2008_superdelegates.html
Comments (4)
Amazingly, she won a majority of the supers from DC, a state she lost 75%-25%!!! Wow.
DC supers for clinton:
DNC Marilyn Tyler BrownDNC Mary Eva CandonDNC Yolanda CarawayDNC Hartina FlournoyDNC Harold IckesDNC Ben JohnsonDNC Eric KleinfeldDNC Mona MohibDNC Minyon MooreDNC Elizabeth Smith
http://www.politico.com/superdelegates/
March 24, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good information here, and the basis of your question is valid, but I think the bias of your title does your post a disservice.
March 24, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
We are done arguing about how the supers should vote. It is settled that they should vote with their conscience. If their conscience says that they should vote with the state, then they vote with the state. If their conscience says that they should vote for the more electable candidate, then they will vote for the more electable candidate and so on. I see no hypocrisy.
March 24, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
"If their conscience says that they should vote for the more electable candidate, then they will vote for the more electable candidate and so on. I see no hypocrisy."
That's fine. But then don't smear Richardson, Kerry, Kennedy, etc. I see a concerted effort by Clinton supporters to go after these people. Like when she used NOW NY to slam Kennedy. Now some of her media friends are questioning Richardson based on the "vote your state" thing.
It's pure hypocrisy.
These are the Clinton superdelegates in states which Obama won:
Joe Reed, Randy Kelley, Yvonne Kennedy (AL); Patti Higgins (AK); Rep. Diane Degette, Manny Rodriguez, Ramona Martinez (CO); Ellen Cahmi (CT); Gov. Ruth Ann Minner, Rhett Ruggerio, Karen Valentine (DE); Michael Thurmond, Carol Dabbs, Lonnie Plott (GA); Sen. Daniel Inouye, Richard Port (HI); Rep. Leonard Boswell, Sandy Opstvedt, Mike Gronstal (IA); Teresa Krusor (KS); Patsy Arcenaux, Renee Gill-Pratt, Mary Lou Winters (LA); Gov. John Baldacci (ME); Sen. Barbara Mikulski, Gov. Martin O’Malley, Rep. C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger, Nancy Kopp, Glenard Middleton, Alvaro Cifuentes, Richard Michalski, Michael Steed, Maria Cordone, Carol Pensky (MD); fmr. VP Walter Mondale, Jackie Stevenson, Rick Stafford (MN); Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II, fmr. Rep. Richard Gephardt, Doug Brooks, Sandy Querry (MO); Don Fowler, Marva Smalls (SC); Karen Hale, Helen Langan (UT); Billi Gosh (VT); Terry McAuliffe, Lionel Spruill Sr., Jennifer McClellan, Mame Reiley, Susan Swecker, Barbara Easterling (VA); Sen. Maria Cantwell, Sen. Patty Murray, Rep. Jay Inslee, fmr. Speaker Tom Foley, Rep. Norm Dicks, Ron Sims (WA); and Rep. Tammy Baldwin, Tim Sullivan (WI)
http://electioninspection.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/debunking-myths/
March 24, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
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