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Hillary's Only Chance Is To Win The Popular Vote
Right now Clinton has a more than 30,000 lead among Democrats who have voted in the primaries, including Florida and Michigan, according to NBC and RealClearPolitics.
Of course it would be unfair to count Michigan, but if they have a Do-Over in both states and Hillary wins both and also Pennsylvania, a Clinton popular vote win will be a real possibility. Certainly this seems to be Clintons best hope to win the nomination. She can't win the elected delegates, but if she wins the popular vote, the she will have an agrument with the Super Delegates.
The figures from NBC are:
Including Florida And Michigan, Clinton wins by 30,657:
Clinton 13,521,832
Obama 13,497,175
In the Approved Contests: Obama wins by 598,266
Obama 12,920,961
Clinton 12,322,695
With Florida, where both were on the ballot, Obama wins by 303,494 votes:
Obama 13,497,175
Clinton 13,193,681
In Florida, it was kind of cool to see a primary with no campaigning. No money spent at all. Everyone on the ballot.
I don’t see why these 2 million votes shouldn’t count, now or in the future, – except to punish the Democratic voters of Florida, who really didn’t schedule the early primaries. The Republicans Governor and legislature scheduled the early vote and forced the Democrats to go along. Another interesting idea floated by Sen. Bill Nelson is to hold a mail in presidential primary.
Democrats should also be very wary of turning off Florida voters – a significant swing state that decided the last two presidential elections.
In Michigan, Obama supporters urged people to vote the uncommitted line, which may have been larger, or smaller, had Obama’s name been on the ballot. The betting is that Michigan will hold a new caucus.
Florida has 210 delegates at stake, and Michigan has 156.
What is fair? We should probably have new primaries in Florida and Michigan, and see how they come out. If nothing is done, one side is going to feel very aggrieved and the Democrats may lose the general election to the Republicans. 2.1 million Democrats cast votes in the Florida primary.
If the Super Delegates are going to be guided by the popular vote, we might as well get a good idea of what that popular vote is.
Considering that Clinton is favored in the Pennsylvania primary, it is likely that she will end up winning the popular vote. Or maybe not. In either case should the Super Delegates be bound by the result of the popular vote, as many in the Obama camp have been arguing?
Complicating all this is the fact that much of the popular vote came from caucuses, which on the one hand may not be fair to Hillary – since her older voters don’t want to spend two hours arguing about who they are going to vote for – but on the other hand may not be fair to Obama, since caucus voters often only represent a small fraction of total Democratic registrants in the state. One figure I saw stated that only one in twenty registered voters comes to the caucuses. So caucus voters are over-represented in the delegate vote and under-represented in the popular vote.
One solution might be to have a re-vote in Michigan and Florida and allow no campaigning. No Television. No Radio. No Newspaper ads. No ground operation. Maybe one more debate. There has already been more campaigning this cycle than in any other primary in history. People should know by now who they are going to vote for.
This would be a novel experiment in how to take the money out of politics.
Campaign contributions, of course, have been perverting and grossly distorting the political process for decades, as Obama has said many times.
Another idea that has been floated is a “firehouse” contest in Michigan in May or June, which would involve fewer polling places and shorter hours. What we need is a really rich guy, how about it Bloomberg or Soros? ... to come up with the money --- $25 million --- to show the rest of the world that democracy can work in the US.
Ironically, Florida and Michigan flouted the rules because they wanted to have more of an influence in choosing the next President. Now with a possible Do-Overs looming, they may be the decisive primaries.
It’s a crazy way to choose a president, but we ought to follow the will of the people, as much as we can. It will make the party stronger and work to repair the US reputation --- after the 2000 Election Florida chad debacle.













Comments (5)
In WA State... Both Senators Maria Cantwell and Patty Murray, as well as our Rep Jay Inslee have already 'pledged' their support to Hillary. However, the WA State caucuses went overwelmingly for Obama and he also won (few voter turnout)Primary as well... So... in their case they are as we speak going against the popular vote in our State.
Is there a website somewhere that lists all the pledged delegates, and how their support corresponds with the votes of their constituents?
Thanks...
March 9, 2008 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't agree with your analysis. First of all, until Michigan and Florida redo the vote, they won't count. Its the fault of the DNC and the states prior to the start of election season, but everyone agreed on this, including Clinton - she even released a press release supporting banning Michigan and Florida and Wolfson voted to ban them. I think a revote is fair and should be done however to make sure that Florida and Michigan get represented.
Also, the caucus vote is clearly misrepresented. The numbers reported are delegates, not actual votes - so the true representation is underrepresented horribly - which hurts Obama given that he's done so well on the caucus.
The fact that the MSM doesn't delve into this and explains this indicates to me that they want the contest to go to a brokered convention - to get big ratings. Its nice how the American government is being influenced, isn't it?
Here's a link to an article regarding the caucus representation: http://www.observer.com/2008/popular-vote-count-excludes-caucuses
Here's a quote in reference to Super Tuesday from New York Observer:
"Hillary's Clinton's microscopic victory in the combined popular vote from last night's primary--7,347,971 to 7,294,85--fails to take into account the caucuses that were held in Colorado, Minnesota, Kansas, Idaho, North Dakota and Alaska. All of those contests were won--overwhelmingly--by Barack Obama.
Under Democratic rules, each vote isn't tallied at caucuses. The caucuses serve only to award delegates to go to a state convention (which then elects the national delegates). The results from caucus states reflect the number of convention delegates to the state convention won by each candidate.
So while Hillary Clinton eked past Obama in the popular vote on Super Tuesday, it can also be said that more people who participated in Super Tuesday 2008 favored Obama than Clinton."
March 10, 2008 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
As it stands right now, there's no "do-over" as no one wants to pay for it. They absolutely won't seat MI as is and it's doubtful they'll do that with FL either. The point of the punitive action isn't to punish the voters. The party has to have rules. The point, especially with respect for FL, is making the message very clearly: You're not in charge of this process, the DNC is. This is doubly important in the case of FL. FL Republicans can't be allowed to think that they'll be given an inch when it comes to trying to influence the outcome of national elections. The shenanigans in FL in 2000 cost Al Gore the election.
March 10, 2008 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
You really haven't thought this through.
"I don’t see why these 2 million votes shouldn’t count, now or in the future,"
1. The primaries were held against party rules. If the party's rules are to mean anything, they have to be enforced. This wasn't arbitray, and the FL Dems weren't really "forced" to go along. They voted for the bill in the legislature!
2. Clinton had a huge advantage in name recognition over Obama back in January. In other states, Obama's superior campaigning, grass roots organization, and hard-earned financial advantage enabled him to overhaul Clinton. The votes in FL and MI were basically a snapshot of where those electorates were in Noveember, or even earlier, when Hillary had a big lead. Obama hadn't been to FL since September.
3. Having been told that the primary wouldn't count, an untold number of voters didn't bother showing up. To count either of these results would be to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands who believed that the DNC was telling the truth.
"One solution might be to have a re-vote in Michigan and Florida and allow no campaigning. No Television. No Radio. No Newspaper ads. No ground operation."
This is undoable, probably illegal (how do you prevent private citizens from from forming "ground operations"?), and ridiculously unfair to the superior organizer and campaigner, Obama. And the goal is not to "take the money out of politics" (an impossibility and a preposterously naive sentiment), it's to minimize the possibility of wealthy individuals and corporations dominating our elections.
You oughtta run ideas past your social studies teacher before typing them up.
March 10, 2008 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ouch... Quite a mess
"...but also because some caucus states (typically won by Obama) have not reported their actual raw vote...
http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/
Obama played by the rules... People think McCain has a mental problem, she's appears to have a manic side to her.
March 10, 2008 1:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
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