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Hillary's big "Family and Medical Leave Act" lie that's getting almost no attention and just got a lot juicer with some findings by the TAPPED's Dana Goldstein.
Hillary Clinton's claim that she helped pass the Family and Medical
leave act is as gross an exaggeration, if not outright lie, as any of
the well-covered ones we have learned about recently (Northern Ireland
peace accords, Bosnian landing with Sinbad, etc.)
When Hillary
Clinton became First Lady on January 20,1993 the FMLA didn't need any
help to pass, which is the reason it sailed through congress 16 days
later by huge margins.
The bill had been around for years, had
strong support in both houses of Congress, and had already passed, yet
been vetoed, twice before during the preceding George Bush Sr.
Presidency. All it needed was a president who wouldn't veto it. Everyone knew this.
As
soon as that happed congress acted quickly and passed it for a third
time just 16 days into the Clinton Presidency by overwhelming margins.
All Bill Clinton had to do was take out a pen, fulfill his campaign
promise, and sign on the dotted line - which he did. Unless Hillary
helped him hold the pen it's hard to fathom how her campaign can
possibly claim she helped pass the thing.
Now just
yesterday, via Dana Goldstein of The American Prospect, we learn that
"uncovered" in the First Lady papers recently released by the National
Archive, that Hillary Clinton never even "held or attended any meetings on the Family Medical Leave Act."
To state that Hillary Clinton helped pass the FMLA during her first 16 days as First Lady is just plain preposterous.
It's beyond me how shes gotten away with this claim for so long and why it's not getting more coverage right now.
A
Diarst at the Daily Kos first discovered and posted about this on back
on March 8th. It time for bigger fish, TPM most of all, to take a
closer look at the facts surrounding this bogus Clinton claim.
YOU CAN GET LINKS AND READ SOME MORE ABOUT IT BY CLICKING HERE







Comments (24)
Clinton Lie Kills Her Credibility on Trade Policy
John NicholsThu Mar 20, 1:59 PM ET
The Nation -- What is the proper word for the claim by Hillary Clinton and the more factually disinclined supporters of her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination -- made in speeches, briefings and interviews (including one by this reporter with the candidate) -- that she has always been a critic of the North American Free Trade Agreement?
Now that we know from the 11,000 pages of Clinton White House documents released this week that former First Lady was an ardent advocate for NAFTA; now that we know she held at least five meetings to strategize about how to win congressional approval of the deal; now that we know she was in the thick of the manuevering to block the efforts of labor, farm, environmental and human rights groups to get a better agreement. Now that we know all of this, how should we assess the claim that Hillary's heart has always beaten to a fair-trade rhythm?
Now that we know from official records of her time as First Lady that Clinton was the featured speaker at a closed-door session where 120 women opinion leaders were hectored to pressure their congressional representatives to approve NAFTA; now that we know from ABC News reporting on the session that "her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA" and that "there was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time;" now that we have these details confirmed, what should we make of Clinton's campaign claim that she was never comfortable with the militant free-trade agenda that has cost the United States hundreds of thousands of union jobs, that has idled entire industries, that has saddled this country with record trade deficits, undermined the security of working families in the US and abroad, and has forced Mexican farmers off their land into an economic refugee status that ultimately forces them to cross the Rio Grande River in search of work?
As she campaigns now, Clinton says, "I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning."
But the White House records confirm that this is not true.
Her statement is, to be precise, a lie.
When it comes to the essential test of the trade debate, Clinton has been identified as a liar -- a put-in-boldface-type "L-I-A-R" liar.
Those of us who covered the 1993 NAFTA debate have frequently expressed doubts about the former First Lady's recent statements. We never heard anything at the time about her dissenting from the Clinton Administration line on trade policy. And we knew that she had defended NAFTA in the years following its enactment. But fairness required that we at least entertain that notion--promoted by the lamentable David Gergen, himself a champion of free-trade policies while working in the Clinton White House--that Hillary Clinton had been a behind-the-scenes critic. We had to at least consider the possibility that, at the very least, Clinton had been worried that advancing NAFTA would trip up her advocacy for health care reform, that she had made her concerns known and that she had absented herself from pro-NAFTA lobbying.
This was certainly the impression that Clinton and her supporters sought to create as she campaigned in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana--states where worried workers want to know exactly where the candidates have stood and currently stand with regard to trade issues.
But that impression was a deliberate deception.
And we must all now recognize that when Hillary Clinton speaks about trade policy, she begins with a lie so blatant--that she's been "a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning"--that everything else she says must be viewed as suspect.
March 21, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bionic Soy,
Thanks for posting this comment and bringing this recent article to my attention. I will deifiniatly be adding Clinton's Nafta lie to my list of "reasons" on my website...
100 REASONS NOT TO VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON
March 21, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
How do you know she didn't have any meetings in the White House about this issue? She had been active on this issue before her husband was elected as President and continues to be to this day.
March 21, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because she released her schedules and its not on them.
March 21, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would be game for a link, if you had it?
March 22, 2008 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's unfortunate that so many accept Clinton's lies and give her a pass ("She's a Clinton, what do you expect? I'm still gonna vote for her.") the same way they step aside for Fox News.
Clinton, Fox, same diff.
March 21, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's been vetted, remember? Why waste time looking into the accuracy of anything she says? She has 35 years of experience. Sounds good to me. Ready on day one! I can remember that. And it's easy to type, too.
Oh, that new guy won Iowa? She's a "Change Candidate," dontcha know!
Wait, the new guy is having huge rallies? Let me see this... Holy crap! They're all chanting "YES WE CAN!" and it sounds really awesome. We need to do something like that... What about "YES SHE WILL!"? Do you think anyone will catch on to that?
March 21, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh come on. You know she told Bill to sign it during one of their 3am talks in bed.
March 21, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right, like they even slept in the same room...
March 21, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's actually sad to see the embellishments the campaign has come up with in the last couple of months. She appears to be completely busted on another claim:
The Washington Post has photo and video of Hillary Clinton's arrival in Bosnia (the one is which she claimed they canceled the greeting because of sniper fire):
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/washington-post-has-photovideo.php
Looks like Sinbad was right.
March 21, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it is very sad also. The worst part is that she has done a lot of good things. Even if she ran strictly on her experience in the Senate, I believe that she is well respected and has a lot to show for it. She did make some bad votes, but most senators are in the same boat.
By trying to make vast claims of 35 years of experience and taking credit for things she did not do, she brings up the question of honesty, which is an issue where she struggles with public perception. Personally, I believe she probably was a sounding board for Bill, and probably helped him make some of his major decisions. She is smart and knowledgeable, and he would have been stupid not to ask her opinion.
Had she just been honest in saying that she shared numerous discussions with her husband on policy decisions, and has an insider's understanding of the presidency because of her marriage to him, she might be looking much better right now
March 21, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen.
Wait - I am being sexist.
Awomen.
March 22, 2008 1:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
ga medic -- She should have hired you to run things rather than Penn and Wolfson. It is a shame. It has hurt, personally, to see the first serious woman candidate run a campaign that on too many occasions reinforced the stupid stereotypes about women and their 'weaknesses' (tears, temper, secretiveness, talking all around a subject but not answering, smiling while back-stabbing, erratic behavior, etc.) And, as you point out, she's not like that at all, from what I hear, as a Senator.
---- You know, if she does get out (and I guess with Clinton's it's always "if"), it may well be the best thing to ever happen to her: she'll have what's shaping up to be a very good Senate career, a candidate/President who isn't going to 'diss' her (even if he might not turn his back), and NOT NEED BILL FOR ONE DAMN THING!!! Maybe her first chance ever to just be herself.
But ... it ain't over till it's over .... and we've been "this close" before.
March 21, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been disappointed by both campaigns this election season. The opportunity of a lifetime to take the WH for the dems is going up in smoke because each candidate's supporters are insulting each other on all kinds of forums stating they will not support the other candidate.
Ain't the innernets wunnerful? I mean, we can now alienate each other, 24/7, at any time of the day or night from sea to shining sea. Both pub and dem supporters will do it but the republicans win that game because they have tighter party discipline when the final candidate is selected.
It's why we're in Iraq, for instance, but don't let that get in the way of internalized insults you encountered from the other candidate's guy on some political board. Same-O same-O with SC appointments. They mean nothing compared to your "online enemies" that began this cycle as your natural allies.
March 21, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am sorry that you feel like questioning is insulting. I am also sorry that I have been called everything from a cultist to a misogynist.
I am not sorry that I call bullshit when I see it.
Let me get this right: Vetting Obama is good. Vetting Hillary is bad.
I guess, since she has already been vetted, the redundancy is too much like a xerox? Or is that we should have used carbon copies instead?
March 22, 2008 1:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
This entire thread is a classic example of the poison in the Democratic campaign right now from both sides, candidates included.
The campaign has degenerated into who bites the other's ankles the best. I don't give a shit who's the best ankle-biter.
I want to see the Democratic candidates campaign against...imagine this...John McCain. Nipping at each other over 'mandates' or 'incentives' is foolish because both candidates support the same principle. It's a principle that McCain opposes. That's the message to be putting in the papers every day.
Campaign against McCain. He's the one the winner will be running against in Nov. I want to hear from each candidate how they plan to 'win in Nov' (not August) by contrasting their records and their visions of governing with him.
November is the important election. It's the one that really matters for the country. The issues at stake in November are far larger than either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
March 21, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right, but I don't think Hillary got the memo. She has continuously promoted McCain as meeting "thresholds" and "having experience" so that if voters don't see her name on the ballot, they will choose McCain.
Just the other day, she said in Michigan (whose primary votes she agreed not to count when she thought she wouldn't need them) that if the Democratic Party doesn't want your votes, the republians surely do.
As far as Hillary is concerned, the election in November only matters if her name is on the ballot. Screw our party -- it's Hillary or bust!
March 21, 2008 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think many people are missing the point of this volitile situation. John McCain is a complete moron. He can't remember what he said 2 minutes ago. Half of his own party hates him and a major chunk of registered repubs didn't even BOTHER TO VOTE IN THE PRIMARY. That's how much they like John McCain. The contest to the presidency is NOW! That is why Hillary is fighting so hard.
McCain has hardly any money compared to the dems. No one is giving to the republican coffers. All of you screaming about what the big bad boogie man that is the republican machine will do are just deluded.
The republican smear machine is debunked. GWB saw to that. So the decent republican electorate, yes there really are some, are sick of it.
Let me tell you. Obama will take all of those decent republican votes as well as the democrat. People are sick of lies and deceit.
Hillary has shown her colors in this campaign and all her supporters say "Well that's what Obama will face from the GOP"
No it will not! No one is falling for it anymore. The only reason why any of the Hillary crud is even getting airtime is it is coming from a DEM, who many (before this campaign) thought was trustworthy.
Obama has shown he is the ONLY CANDIDATE who has morals, ethics and values. The religious right and values voters will flock to him in droves after the 8 years of BUSH. He will mop the floor with anyone standing with the GOP in the fall.
This is not a fight for the nom folks. This is a fight for the presidency. They know it. McCain has absolutely no chance. The GOP backing is feeble at best.
March 22, 2008 2:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't the head of the Irish government and several officials say that Hillary was extremely helpful in brokering peace of Norther Ireland. She just didn't sit around and drink tea like Laura Bush.
March 21, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, he said she didn't have anything to do with the peace process in Northern Ireland. He thought it was amusing that she was taking any credit. In fact, what she DID was to have tea in a tea house. There was a big thing about how she admired a teapot and so they gave her one.
laternighter, you really need to keep up!
March 21, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Former Officials Say Clinton Did Not Fight NAFTA
Jake Tapper: "I have now talked to three former Clinton Administration officials whom I trust who tell me that then-First Lady Hillary Clinton opposed the idea of introducing NAFTA before health care, but expressed no reservations in public or private about the substance of NAFTA."
"Yet the Clinton campaign continues to propagate this myth that she fought NAFTA tooth and nail because she opposed the substance of the bill."
March 21, 2008
March 21, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
In my field (Medicine) inflating a resume by even one claim of experience which is not fully documented is grounds for a no-hire decision or a dismissal. I trust that this is the case for many, if not most, employed Americans.
Would it be unfair to apply that same standard to the Leader of the Free World?
March 21, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Extremely unfair. How else did we end up with Bush?
March 22, 2008 1:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary W. McClinton.
March 22, 2008 2:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
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