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Hillary True Believers leave reality behind, in search of greener pastures

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Faced with the cruelties of mathematical probability, more and more True Believers in the Hillary camp have chosen instead to live in an escapist fantasy land where Obama is a racist, Hillary secretly has all the superdelegates in her pocket (the ones who endorsed Obama or are uncommitted are just for dramatic effect) and everyone in Pennsylvania is going to vote for her.

Yup, she's going to win 90% of the vote!  You just wait!  Also, those 2 million donors?  All members of al-Qaeda! 

Ferraro is a courageous hero!  It's the black voters, and those damn "guilty" white voters who are voting for a bigot!

I also have evidence that red is blue, up is down, and being behind by 180 actually means you're ahead.


Comments (38)

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Denial is not a river in Egypt.Give them some time.Imagine how you'd feel if your candidate was not only losing,but trashing her legacy while cribbing from Carl Rove's playbook.This will be over in a few weeks ( maybe less if the Clinton's keep trashing our likely nominee)and Obama will be stronger for it.We'll need the help and support of as many of Hillary's True Believers as we can get to win the Whitehouse. Let's try to take our cues from Obama regarding accepting the fact that there are many people of good conscience at Camp Hillary. It's just gonna take them awhile to work through their dissapointment and get behind Barack.I believe Bill himself said "in the primaries you fall in love, in the general you fall in line." Now let's get after that confused war-monger McCain......

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I believe that if Obama gets the nomination, he will do everything in his power to win back the support of the bruised souls who support Hillary. He will have a compelling message and do what is necessary to earn their support.

Hillary's action throughout this campaign make me seriously question if she would do the same. She has squandered the black vote. And people like me are inconsequential to her. I think she cynically calculates that we'll have no choice but to vote for her. Maybe that's true. But if she doesn't make a serious, sincere effort to heal the party and win me back, then I question her effectiveness and judgment as a president.

Speaking as a red-state progressive, I also don't matter to Hillary. Southwestern Dems and independent know this is true, both before and after the GE. I've been getting mad about Obama supporters who're following the logic of these Clinton supporters who won't vote for Obama, by saying they'd rather vote for Nader or McCain himself than vote for Obama. I'm going to start spreading my plea: doesn't anyone support desperate red state down-ticket issues? Pretty please? Won't you vote, just for our sake?

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Keep the faith.

The former governor of Idaho called out the Clinton campaign for saying his state was "insignificant" and said he'd leave the presidential nominee blank if she was the candidate, but vote a party ticket the rest of the way down.

If Clinton does somehow defeat Obama, I think that he'll do a national tour encouraging his supporters to do the same, if they can't bring themselves to vote for Clinton.

I think Obama is a 50-state guy, win or lose, and if he really means anything to his supporters, they'll follow his lead.

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if you think DT is alone in not voting for OBAMA than you folks are way wrong. many democrats are ultra moderate democrats that was already having a problem with extreme left politics of OBAMA. you seem to forget this. although i can not stand McCain’s amnesty and war position I dislike OBAMA's immigration pandering positions here in chicago even more. as far as the war...if democrats win in the state and in congressional races we will have enough votes to stop McCain. i and many other moderate democrats CAN AND WILL live with that. if OBAMA wins i either will vote for McCain or not vote and stay at home for the first time in my voting age life and i have no problem with that.

if you want to say that OBAMA did not have his surrogates accuse hillary and bill of racism while he stood by then you keep believing that BS. while i remember jesse jackson junior on television when hilliary cried about her feeling how important this election was and jesse jackson junior immediately stating he did not see hilliary crying for the victims of katrina. then professor clay (another OBAMA surrogate) going on and on about racism and the bradley effect playing out. as a black woman i watched and listened to OBAMA's surrogates play the race card over and over and played it hard. Jesse Jackson Junior intimidating Black delegates and superdelegates stating and pressuring them on how will they feel if they are the reason that a BLACK man did not win the presidency and their need to change their vote. When OBAMA surrogates were all out to campaign and to mischaracterize the Hillary statement about martin luther king that was way over the top. OBAMA’s folks sent out mailings to promote racial discord and tension and they did not have any problems with doing so where was OBAMA to step in and stop that crap from his team? no where of course he sat back and benefitted from dividing us again and for OBAMA to put in his race speech not to judge hilliary on statements farroro made was really disgusting and wrong as he didn’t own up to the fact that his campaign pushed this accusation along with his own statements harder than anyone else. OBAMA used racism repeatedly to push his candidacy forward. if you try to say he didn't you are dishonest or blind to when it is really being played. he allows the damage to be done and then jumps in and acts like he is above it all. he is no better than McCain who knew the over the top radio shock jock was going to say all the rabid racial venom and then comes after to denounce it. he comes off smelling like a rose to dumb arses not intelligent enough to see he just manipulated the entire event.

Now in my opinion what you have not realized is that blacks supported the Clintons and the democrats in mass for years…what you don’t see is by OBAMA destroying their faith in bill and hilliary and by convincing them bill did nothing for them over the years they are now strongly behind a BLACK candidate but they are no longer strongly aligned to the democratic party. You have NO IDEA how much DAMAGE OBAMA has done to this party and you will learn over the years. My belief is McCain will be the next president and BARACK help him walk right into the white house.

Finally OBAMA has not been a bonehead as he likes to say when he makes a mistake but a very calculated self serving politician. he has done more to damage this country through dividing the party and through race bating then i have ever seen and i am ashamed of it. yes his speech may help in our racial discussions over the years but his speech was too late, calculated for political expediency, not enough to separate himself with a hateful anti american racist minister (who has also done some good things i am sure) and who has been an obvious liar on numerous occasions. so for me and my family we will vote for Hilliary or McCain.

michelle, you've given yourself away. MODERATE DEMOCRATS do not use all caps. Only WINGNUTS and TROLLS use all caps. So which are you?

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She posted the exact same thing in another section of tpm! Hillary troll in disguise!

I'm going to post the exact same thing I did on another post on TPM, but I'm no troll. Are you accusing idiotic of being a troll for the same reason? (I do, however, think this particular troll charge is in order).


More from the Daily Kos:

http://dhinmi.dailykos.com/

"1. She can’t win the nomination without overturning the will of the elected delegates, which will alienate many Democrats.
2. She can’t win the nomination without a bloody convention battle — after which, even if she won, history and many Democrats would cast her as a villain.
4. Nancy Pelosi and other leading members of Congress don’t think she can win and want her to give up.
Same with superdelegate-to-the-stars Donna Brazile.
6. Many of her supporters — and even some of her staffers — would be relieved (and even delighted) if she quit the race; none of his supporters or staff feel that way. Some think she just might throw in the towel in June if it appears efforts to fight on would hurt Obama’s general election chances.
7. The Rev. Wright story notwithstanding, the media still wants Obama to be the nominee — and that has an impact every day.
9. Many of the remaining prominent superdelegates want to be for Obama and she (and Harold Ickes) are just barely keeping them from making public commitments to him.
12. This is a change election, and Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton can never truly be change.
14. Even though her campaign staff is having more fun than it has for a long time, there’s hardly anyone there who, given half a chance, wouldn’t slit Mark Penn’s throat — and such internal dissension won’t help her in the home stretch."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/22/15416/3084/808/482277

Yes she did, but I think she's a McCain troll not a Clinton supporter. Now I feel silly for having spent some time trying to argue with her. The posts were exactly the same.

I guess I'm rediscovering I'm not a moderate or a Democrat. I'm Obamic, though. I'm trying to use all caps for humor only, especially now that I've discovered how to italicize.

I'm a bad, bad shouter today, though. It happens with the not-voting threats. I'll get used to that, too, soon, and will try to become as ironic as possible.

Be strong, eliyah. Caps are the devil's tools.

hear, hear!

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"You have NO IDEA how much DAMAGE OBAMA has done to this party and you will learn over the years."

Yeah . . . by running a better organized, more thoughtful campaign, he may have RUINED Hillary's coronation!

There has always been a right wing segment of the dems that would never go for Obama. How big is it?
No one knows.

Obama needs to expand the younger generation of new voters. He needs to create a NEW demographic to win,and INDEPENDENTS must be an important part of this.

As for this blogger, time to say good bye if that's inevitable. Stop trying to hold on to these voters.
Think of a new and younger future.

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

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Ahh another denizen of Hillaryland, that happy place beyond the rainbow.

You keep those "truths" alive sister!

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Has this CRACKPOT ever given an example of OBAMA's supposed FAR LEFT politics? As a moderate myself, my beef with OBAMA.... oy, even as snark I give myself a headache doing that... is that he's not bold enough. I like Clinton's health care plan better, for example. Ultimately, I support Obama because I think his approach to foreign policy (jaw jaw is better than war war, to quote another well-known left-wing kook) is better than Clinton's shopworn hawkery and Liebermanism. But their voting records as Senators, including, unfortunately, on Iraq, are very similar. Where does nutcase here get this "far left" stuff? Anybody know?

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Sometimes I get tempted to refute ridiculous posts point by point, but Michelle, your assertions are so unhinged and not based in reality that I don't see the need.

I do want highlight one phrase of yours: "OBAMA to put in his race speech not to judge hilliary on statements farroro made was really disgusting

So, for Obama to tell everyone that Hillary should NOT be judged for what Ferraro said is disgusting? Um, how? You would have preferred he say Hillary should burn in hell for what Ferraro said?

Take a step back. Have a drink. Chill for a sec, and try doing an objective analysis of the past 6 months because you're not really seeing the forest for the trees right now.

Noseeum: I think the problem is that Michelle wrote her post after she'd had 4 or 5 drinks... my 22 yr old nephew -- a wise person for his age -- tells me that one should not write e-mails nor make blog posts once the second drink is poured.... something akin to the lesson I learned as a teenager: do not argue with your father about breaking curfew if you have had more than one drink. I'd, also, suggest that chilling for about 12 hours would be more appropriate. :)

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Nice shot on Michelle merlot. Thought you were probably above that...but..Obamaistas are Obamaistas

I think Michelle's real last name is Malkin.

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Keep going folks. Disparaging the largest part of the Democratic party. Gonna bank that everyone wrapped up in the primaries will be around in November? Will you motivate people in Ohio/NY/Cali/PA/Michigan/Florida/New Jersey? Gonna bet on it? Are you sure you can motivate us?

If they're disparaging the "largest" part of the party then what are you worried about? The largest part of the party will bring victory to your candidate if you're correct. By the way, I know I don't appreciate this blackmail tactic being employed by many folks and I think there are quite a few others who are getting a little tired of this childish game. It is very unbecoming and casts those who use it in a very negative light.

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No, we all know that independents and crossovers have been the main reason he has prevailed in the states he has won in. If we had only a vote of democratic party members mr. obama would be back where he belongs ...representing the people of Illinois

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And that 43% of the electorate would leave us where in November?

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Buffalo.

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You do realize that the reason Indies and sometimes Republicans could participate in the contests that they did was because Democrats wanted them to, right? Excluding those votes doesn't get you the true "will of the Democrats" if the will of the Democrats is that those votes be included. By the way, in case you were unaware, Independents and Republicans are allowed to vote in the General Election, too. In every state nonetheless!

You do realize that while Obama consistently pounds the drum of national unity, it's Hillary who dismisses over 12,000,000 voters and 30 states as "insignificant". You do realize that it's Hillary who's praising the Republican nominee, right?

I mean, I know times are tough for you right now, but the suggestion that it's the Obama campaign (and not a few of his supporters) going around alienating HRC's supporters, or that anything but a very small minority of blog-obsessed Hillary supporters even care about this stuff...is the stuff of fantasy land.

Yes messah. Ah will vote for Teh One, you jes tell me where ta put mah mark. That nasty house negro can go back ta where he belongs.

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And, if Obama was so great.....you wouldn't worry about such threats..

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And... and... So's your mother!

That about covers it.

I love it when people use the "I wouldn't have to hurt you except you made me do it" line.

Obama is a candidate, he needs people to vote for him to win. If people are so angry people didn't nominate their candidate, and the anger is enough not to vote for the nominee in the GE, it does worry Democrats because McCain could win. Not one person has given a verifiable reason why they won't vote for Obama in the GE. Electibility is a bad argument, it should only engender sadness that the Democrats picked the wrong person from supporters of the other nominee if you truly believe in Democratic principles. Being mean to your candidate is debatable and not at all a good reason not to vote for him. So why won't you vote for him? Because we didn't kiss your ass? Or because we won't vote the way you want us to? I think it's the latter and a regrettable turn of events.

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We know you'll come around eventually, so there's no hurry. We all know it's an empty threat.

Frankly, a lot of us don't and won't miss the Clinton-Lieberman-Miller "Democrats". If being "moderate-centrist" means voting with the Republicans to throw the country into this catastrophic political morass of rampant corruption and cronyism, authoritarianism and dynastic powers (as if Richardson OWES his political allegiance to the Clintons and not the country), illegal wars and crushing debt, and learning to politick like Goldwater and Rove, then no thanks. You can keep your votes. There are times when PRINCIPLES matter more than politics, and this is such a historic moment. I was disappointed initially with Obama denying Wright, but he finally came around and did the principled, honorable thing.

I see the country divided into two camps - those who want to go back to the basic decency, laws and principles that the country was founded on and has always strived for, and those who go with the cabal of Neocon power elites that include the military-industrial-congressional complex to bring about a new American century of imperial expansionism and an imperial legacy of expanded executive powers. There are both Republicans and Democrats on either side. Ron Paul, Hagel, Jeffords, etc. are Republicans on the same side as Obama, Kucinich, Dodd, etc. and the other side, we know who they are.

Perhaps Obama will turn out to be "one of them" after all, but for now, I know where both Clintons stand. There are many Clinton Democrats who are like Lieberman, it is perhaps a matter of time before they break away to join the hawkish faction of the Republican Party and that kind of top cabal Commander-knows-all presidency. In that, I don't see a huge difference between Hillary and their friend, McCain - the Clintons have aligned themselves repeatedly with him anyway, despite his buffoonery.

We will lose them, because we insist on the laws, rules and principles as a continuum of America's legacy whereas they believe in politics as paramount reality. If they don't learn after 8 years of Republican disasters, then they won't ever come round to our side of thinking.

We don't need to pander to these voters - they are on the wrong side of history.

And I DON'T APPPRECIATE blackmail either, like many of the others here. Yet another Rovian tactic.

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So the threat of blacks not voting if Hillary wins the nomination are untrue? This hasn't been mentioned? The history of black voters tells us that they will vote for the Democratic nominee no matter what?

Or is it completely understandable if black voters stay home should Hillary win - and demonic behavor if what keeps being referred to here as "lower-class", "uneducated" and "racist" whites
fail to support Obama.

Or do we not have to worry about either group because, in the end, we don't need either and they must follow the party - like voters in Florida and Michigan - or be blown off?

Is there any segment of the party THIS segment doesn't mind offending?

And finally...does anybody on here use their real name?

Nobody uses their real names anymore, man, step into the nineties!

And I've also heard the AA community might not be as inclined to vote for the Clintons at the moment, but I think there's time to fix that if Clinton wins the nomination. Quite frankly, I think either candidate can mend the wounds once the GE starts.

I mean, c'mon, the Republicans will pull out the same old BS and all of us no matter how much we threatened each other will eventually get pissed enough to understand McCain really IS a Republican with all that entails about incompetence, foriegn policy and domestic policy.

I think this whole I won't vote for candidate XX in the GE if candidate X doesn't get the nomination is more of a primary tactic than anything. That's not to say there isn't conviction behind those threats at the moment. It'll just take a while to cool off. The amount of conviction is proportoional to the amount of time needed to cool off IMO.

Nobody uses their real names anymore, man, step into the nineties!

And I've also heard the AA community might not be as inclined to vote for the Clintons at the moment, but I think there's time to fix that if Clinton wins the nomination. Quite frankly, I think either candidate can mend the wounds once the GE starts.

I mean, c'mon, the Republicans will pull out the same old BS and all of us no matter how much we threatened each other will eventually get pissed enough to understand McCain really IS a Republican with all that entails about incompetence, foriegn policy and domestic policy.

I think this whole I won't vote for candidate XX in the GE if candidate X doesn't get the nomination is more of a primary tactic than anything. That's not to say there isn't conviction behind those threats at the moment. It'll just take a while to cool off. The amount of conviction is proportoional to the amount of time needed to cool off IMO.

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