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Hillary Is About To Lose Texas and Bill is Terrified? -- Listen Up Media!
Bill Clinton reportedly terrified that Hillary is about to officially lose Texas
by John Aravosis (DC) · 3/27/2008 07:28:00 PM ET ·
You'll recall that the media declared Hillary the winner of Texas before it was actually over. Texas had a primary and a caucus, and Hillary only won the primary. The winner of Texas is decided by adding the delegates from both the primary and the caucus. Come this weekend, we should find out that Obama really won Texas. A NY Daily News reporter accidentally got invited to a private conference call Bill Clinton was holding today with Texas delegates. Seems the campaign is terrified that people may finally figure out this weekend that Hillary lost Texas.
I KNOW THAT DURING MISSISSIPPI'S RACE, CNN ANNOUNCED THAT HILLARY WON THE PRIMARY IN TEXAS, BUT BECAUSE OBAMA WON THE CAUCUSES, THAT THEY WERE COLORING THE STATE OF TEXAS WITH LIGHT AND DARK BLUE STRIPES TO DECLARE A TIE.
LET'S SEE WHAT THE MEDIA DOES WITH THIS NEWS --- IF IT COMES TRUE.










Comments (46)
STOP SHOUTING SENSATIONALIST NONSENSICAL DRIVEL PLEASE .IF YOU EVER DO HAVE SOME NEW BREAKING NEWS IT WILL FALL ON DEAF EARS! ALL CAPS DOES NOT MAKE A STORY!
March 27, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
you make a valid point.
that's great news...for hillary!!!
hmmm, doesn't have the same effect.
March 28, 2008 7:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
1. I agree with your caps concern.
2. But, I can't help but chuckle when the caps referee has a thumbnail that is in all caps.
3. OBAMA WON TEXAS!
:)
March 28, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I had realized upon waking that I had been an insufferable prick, tried to apologize, but it has been buried down the post. Feel a bit sheepish now, lesson learned no blog while tired and pushing the red button means it is now too late to retract. Doh!
March 28, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well it is really easy to misspeak when you are sleep deprived.
March 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
hoot!
March 28, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember when CNN called TX that the main cities of Dallas and Houston had not been counted.
The election reporting on that night was pure hoax. It was all set up to keep Hillary in the race.
TX was won by Obama and now do we still have to believe that if she wins PA, that she still has a five percent chance of getting the nomination.
O, that's right TX will no longer count as a big state because Hillary will say that it is a red state in the general and no Democrat can expect to carry TX in the general in Nov.
God, I hate how they spin and the mainstream media goes right along with it.
Just disgusting.
she needs to just quit the race.
What is this nonsense about Bill staying in the race until June? The primaries were not front loaded in 92 like they were this year for HRc thanks to McAuliffe.
March 28, 2008 12:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
In defense the MSM will swallow and run just about anything fed to them regarding Democrats.
I fear we are becoming sore winners with Hillary.
March 28, 2008 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sore WINNERS with Clinton? Are you talking about the presumptive LOSER, Hillary Clinton -- who just can't accept that she didn't get to be President? Which she was entitled to? Which she deserved? Is that what you're talking about?
She is starting to make me sick; she is delusional! She has no sense of reality except her own reality which is a lie, and one which she has no problem looking us right in the face and speaking that lie to all of us.
As long as she wins, in her mind, all is well. She reminds me of Cheney's attitude "So?"
Guess what, HIllary and Dick, we want our opinions and votes to count even if you don't care.
March 28, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
It'll be good to have it acknowledged that Obama won TX.
If HRC will stop validating Republican talking points, and occasionally attack John McCain, I don't have any problem with the campaign continuing through (say) early May. That could actually be better for the party than a sudden withdrawal.
Of course, my "if" is a big "if." But my impression is that Dean, and some Clinton superdelegates, have worked very hard to make clear that the alternative is superdelegate defections. Perhaps we'll see a calmer next few weeks -- in which case, we should definitely try to ramp down the volume of triumphalism on our side as well.
March 28, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
TUnderwood,
One distinction that I beleive is very relevant is that their are two types of superdelegates. There are those who are elected politicians or previous office holders and then there is a whole slew of non-office holders folks like your State Party Chairs and/or campaign managers like Ickes, McAuliffe or Brazile.
Now which folks do you think are backing Hillary? Not the ones who need to get elected they can see the handwriting on the wall and how deleterious Clintons name on the ticker will be for them in their respective states/districts.
It is the non-elected pols who have committed to Hillary who run the primaries/caucuses and convention that are the real core problem. It is those folks who are standing behind Hillary right now. They originally came out for her and they have not defected.
The superdelegates who have defected are the ones in office.
March 28, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Quite true. Elected superdelegates are split nearly 50/50 with a slight edge for Obama. Clinton's current advantage in superdelegates did indeed come early and it is entirely in the category of DNC members:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29_superdelegates%2C_2008#Totals_by_group
Thankfully, this lead has been steadily eroding since the middle of February, right after his strong showing in Wisconsin. All it would take is 30 or so of the remaining uncommitted DNC members to close this gap and make a win for Clinton nearly impossible.
March 28, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
The all Caps wasn't to make an announcement, it was to distinguish the article from my own writing. Sorry to offend anybody.
March 28, 2008 6:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know. In this instance, maybe ALL CAPS are called for.
OBAMA WON TEXAS.
March 28, 2008 7:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
You ever write in an impaired state of mind, click the red button, then get some much needed rest and realized the little red button was not your friend . No?
Sorry that was a out of line of me.
March 28, 2008 9:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
HIllary's doing everything in her power to keep these numbers down. All delegates, including Obama delegates, are getting robocalls to vote for HIllary, legal challenges, all sorts of shenanigans.
Of course, I'd be very surprised if the Obama people weren't totally on top of this. But she's tryin'.
March 28, 2008 9:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
I attended a workshop last night fordelegates and alternates in preparation for Saturday's district convention here in Houston and surrounding areas. Can't wait, everyone is so excited!
45 people had RSVP'd and about 300 showed up at Obama's headquarters. We are all fired up and ready to go!
Obama's people are on top of everything. His campaign has been brilliant!
March 28, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Connie -
Thanks for heads-up. If it comes to pass, I think it might mean the end for Hil - in that the endorsement & superdelegate trickle (ala Richardson, Casey of late) & calls to end this would probably become a steadier stream.
I don't know if anyone else has detected the very subtle change in the undercurrent in the last couple weeks - but after Obama's speech on race then Bosnia-gate and the fact that his numbers have remained relatively steady in face of Wright - or if it's just my antennae. But something's in the air.
I don't think the Party would let her withstand a TX loss w/out an intervention of supreme proportions - that if she resisted she'd risk irreparably damaging her dignity and political career.
March 28, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
My favorite part of this post is that the Clintons are terrified that the public will learn what actually happened. Hilarious.
March 28, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Obama wins the primaries, people will be surprised by how well he does in Texas with Hispanics. Having Richardson with him will help more than people think.
March 28, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Texas isn't a big state, so it's not really important. Nothing to see here, move along...Incoming!
March 28, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is what I've been waiting for since I heard he won 2/3 of the contests:
Clinton: Primary
Obama: Caucus and Delegate Count
He should have been called the winner from the start.
March 28, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is what I've been waiting for since I heard he won 2/3 of the contests:
Clinton: Primary
Obama: Caucus and Delegate Count
He should have been called the winner from the start.
March 28, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you really think the DNC is going to give more weight to a caucus of 100,000 people than the vote of 3,000,000?
He may have just barely won Texas because of the very unbalanced delegate dispersal, but the GE is in votes, and that's what's going to matter.
March 28, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/DN-conventions_06pol.ART0.State.Edition2.460528c.html
grossly misstating facts is unbecoming.
March 28, 2008 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I haven't been following Texas so I am suffering a disconnect here. I thought the TX caucus results were already determined, and Obama came out plus 4 delegates overall in the state? What remains to be decided on Saturday?
March 28, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Except... you used italics for the quote. There was no need to further distinguish (or dramatize) your words by using all caps. Not sure why CAPS are so annoying, but they really are. And they are almost always interpreted as yelling to make a point. The effect this instance had on your readers was pretty negative and unfortunately undermined an otherwise notable post.
You might also consider using the blockquote tag to easily distinguish when you are pasting in someone else's comments or words. E.g.,
March 28, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
The use of "terrified" as an adjective to describe the information in the NYDailyNews piece struck me as an unwarranted and very silly summary by Ameriblog. That said, isn't the more important point here to recall WJC's words prior to Mar. 5? He told us HRC had to win both Ohio and Texas to stay in the race. As of tomorrow night, she should be prepared to concede that she didn't clear the bar her husband set for her.
March 28, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
We here in Texas know what happened, and I'll tell you why. Because the precinct chairs had to count the caucus votes That Night to do the math to come up with the percentage numbers for the candidates.
And Obama won.
The numbers haven't been certified by the state party - yet. But we know pretty much the bottom line already and have all along.
March 28, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
TIKITEMBO - O my god - Spider Jerusalem!
too cool
March 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you really think the DNC is going to give more weight to a caucus of 100,000 people than the vote of 3,000,000?
He may have just barely won Texas because of the very unbalanced delegate dispersal, but the GE is in votes, and that's what's going to matter.
You're obviously not from Texas and you don't know what you're talking about. The only - the only - part of the state that Obama did not carry, handily, was the Valley and part of the Big Bend around El Paso.
The numbers weren't even close in Dallas and Austin and most of the rest of the state.
March 28, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a good point, and, IMO, totally deflates Hillary's "I represent true Democrats."
Democrats are historically strongest in the cities, and those are the areas that Obama is winning. I would like to see Obama do better in rural areas, as those are areas Dems need to grow in, but I think in the general Obama will be able to unite the country against McCain.
March 28, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her argument is flatly stupid and so are the people who keep repeating it.
March 28, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess I don't understand what the fuss is about. If it turns out after Saturday that Texas certifies what we already know -- that Obama won the delegate vote in Texas (by a very small margin) and Hillary won the popular (by a very small margin), how does that change the dynamics of the race? Where does the "terror" come in?
I would appreciate an explanation from someone who understands the situation better than I do.
March 28, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a good point, and, IMO, totally deflates Hillary's "I represent true Democrats.
That really bugs me. I can't quite figure out just what she's saying there, but my response is: so what? We have plenty of room in this party for lots of new style Democrats and now that progressives finally aren't being locked in the attic like the loony stepkids and we have a voice and our numbers are more obvious to people, maybe we can move beyond the Old Guard, the True Democrats, if that's what she means.
You know who the true Democrats have been since 2000? The Black Caucus. They are the only ones with the guts to stand up in 2000 and say: this election was stolen. And they were right and they've never gotten the support or recognition they deserve from the True Democrats, IMHO. Time the Black Caucus was recognized for being the only people in Congress with any balls at all when it comes to BushCo.
March 28, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm new to posting I've wondered how you get that shaded quote. This is just for practice. If it doesn't work, I'll need instructions, I guess.
March 28, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
March 29, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
March 28, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
When it comes to the topic of Hillary Clinton, never listen to John Aravosis. He has a very personal and very bitter grudge against both Clintons that stems from what he perceived as a slight. He has posted extensively about how he tried to help the Clintons, and how they basically ignored them. Reading between the lines it was more than clear that his ego was unable to withstand the slight. He expected that a person of his "importance" would be wined and dined by the Clintons, but it didn't happen. Since then he's been attacking the Clintons constantly.
Here, for example, is his response in his comment section to a person who accused him of having a grudge against the Clintons:
NOTE FROM JOHN: LOL, good try, new commenter we've never seen before. It's called first-hand experience and knowledge as to how they operate. Some day we will tell the story, and it begins with how Joe and I reached out to Hillary's people two years ago to help them repair relations with the blogs because most everyone else hated them. And what we got in return was a whole lot of nothing. Yes, we got lunch with Bill, 18 months ago, and that was very cool. That was also it. From them on, we've been ignored or treated as the enemy. It gets old. And that's called learning from experience, my dear, not a grudge.
March 28, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's another example of John Aravosis's personal grudge against the Clintons:
"Joe and I reached out to Hillary's people two years ago. Sat down with them, told them we were agnostic on her and her campaign - didn't love her, didn't hater her. But that we were concerned that a lot of folks online, the blogosphere, the Netroots, etc., seemed to really really really not like Hillary, and that didn't seem helpful to the party, especially since at that time she was the shoo-in to win the nomination anyway. So, we sat down for 2 hours and gave them lots of suggestions as to how they could better improve relations out there. In return, a number of bloggers did get invited to a lunch with bill, and that was great. But since that time, and we're talking 18 months ago, the campaign's relations with a lot of us were nonexistent. I mean, I received only 2 emails from their outreach person in 6 months. Nothing else."
March 28, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
And another of his comments that shows how personal his grudge against the Clintons is. He felt they did not appreciate him:
"After something like that happens, it changes your view of the campaign and eventually the candidate. There is a definite sense that you're dealing with people who don't appreciate you."
March 28, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
When it comes to the topic of Hillary Clinton, never listen to John Aravosis. He has a very personal and very bitter grudge against both Clintons that stems from what he perceived as a slight.
Ok, fine with me. I don't Aravosis.
Obama still won the Texas caucuses.
March 28, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Texas district and county conventions are tomorrow and this is going on all over the state:
"
From the Texas Democratic Party:
"It has come to our attention that someone, perhaps in the name of the Texas Democratic Party, is spreading misinformation about upcoming County and Senate District Conventions. We have received reports from delegates who have received e-mails saying that conventions have been cancelled. We have also received unconfirmed reports that someone is placing robo-calls, claiming to be from the Texas Democratic Party, suggesting that county or district conventions have been cancelled.
"The Texas Democratic Party has not been informed that any county or district convention has been cancelled or postponed. If any delegates receive information to that effect, I urge them to plan to attend their convention as scheduled unless they receive information about a postponement or cancellation from their local Democratic County Chair or the official Texas Democratic Party website.
March 28, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds ominous and Rovian. Somebody playing games with the electorate? Voter fraud is still criminal, even in Texas. Any links or other information?
March 28, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope Obama goes to Texas Saturday, Sunday, or Monday to hold a large rally to declare victory.
Will Hillary say she misspoke when she herself declared victory in Texas earlier or was she tired or dodging sniper fire?
When will Hillary disavow the New Mexico caucus
because it was not a primary. I wish someone would ask Bill if he cares about the New Mexico
caucus.
March 28, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
OBAMA HAS TO CELEBRATE THIS!
We have to make sure the MSM is declaring him the WINNER! I plan to e-mail various so called news outlets...etc.
OBAMA OFFICIALLY WINS TEXAS!
March 30, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
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