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Grandmother cringe factor


Obama describes his grandmother as:
a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.
I don't know for sure if I'm the only one who found this all a tad supercilious, but I suspect I'm not. In turns out that I too come from serially broken homes like Obama and, hey, I too had a white grandmother, who like Obama's, was
a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who love(d) me as much as she love(d) anything in this world
And hey, huge coincidence.... she too was frightened of black men just like Obama's. Wow.... and that made Obama cringe?

Cringe
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Good thing he never listened to Chris Rock on the subject:
"The media has distorted our image to make us look bad, why must you come down on us like that, brother? It ain't us, it's the media." Please, cut the fucking shit, okay. Okay? Okay? When I go to the money machine tonight, alright, I ain't looking over my back for the media: I'm looking for niggas!'
Now that makes me cringe, and I don't cringe very easily. You don't have to be Bill Cosby to know that there is huge problem in the United States of America with black men.
"The United States has the highest reported incarceration rate in the world. While the United States currently incarcerates 750 inmates per 100,000 persons, the world average rate is 166 per 100,000 persons.(...) African Americans, who are 12.4 percent of the population, are more than half of all prison inmates, compared to one-third twenty years ago. Although African-Americans constitute 14 percent of regular drug users, they are 37 percent of those arrested for drug offenses, and 56 percent of persons in state prisons for drug crimes." “Mass Incarceration in the United States: At What Cost? US Senate Report
And many of the causes of this problem were well described by Obama's "old uncle" Reverend Wright (I bet the 'old uncle' bit made Wright cringe). Here is how he preached it.
"The government gives them the drugs [referring to the Iran-Contra Affair], builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people...God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme"
Now brother Noam Chomsky couldn't have said that any better. If we were going for truth and not truthiness, Obama would have defended both his white granny's and Jeremiah Wrights views, because both of them are making intelligent and realistic comments about a problem that affects both their lives, as it does any American of any color that lives anywhere but places like Iowa and Minnesota.

So, in fact, where others see a history making, earth shaking, speech steeped in authenticity, I only see Tony Blair with a fabulous tan.

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Your comparison of a loved relative making a prejudiced remark to a Chris Rock joke reveals either an unfortunate denseness or a cynical attempt to obfuscate.

My mother often made prejudiced remarks about Jews and Blacks that made me cringe. They made me cringe because I loved her. What's so hard to understand about that?

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So Obama, at the time a young black boy and black man-to-be, shouldn't have cringed when his grandmother expressed fear of black men, and made remarks containing invidious racial stereotypes? And this young black boy shouldn't have cringed because he should have recognized that his grandmother was perfectly reasonable in fearing black men?

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Having been mugged twice I resent the supposed moral parallel between his grandmother's fear and his Pastor's hate-mongering however much the latter stems from justified outrage.

AJM, I'm assuming that when you use the term "mugged" that that is a coded statement for "mugged by a 'black' man"? Correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps I misunderstood?

I too have been mugged. Neither time was it done by a black person. Was also burgarized. Person later arrested was not "black".

I can understand his grandmother's fear however. Searing images of "black" men as rapists, criminals, muggers, are re-enforced on a daily basis in the media. I am not naive and am very aware of crime in America, though most "black" crime is "black on black", and precipitated by drug use and other abject social conditions.

Doubtful Senator Obama's grandmother even thinks of her grandson as "black", hence her unwitting cringe moments for him. I'm speaking from experience here, since my beloved grandmother, who helped raise me was a "white" woman from Kansas. She was clear that she had married a "black" man, but she wasn't always so clear that her son, (my dad)and her grandkids were "black" too, God bless her.

And Rev. Wright is not a "hate mongerer", contrary to the selected clips run ad nauseum to hammer home this impression. Seems you've bought the hype.

I think you missed the point of the speech a little bit. He was trying to show that he has felt and understood the racial mistrust on both sides. The whole story of his grandmother and that conversation is in his first book (which is a fantastic read, by the way). I thought it was brilliant to bring it up because (as is evidenced by the posts we've seen on these boards since the Wright story broke) alot of people can relate to having a racist or at least ignorant family member. By putting Wright on that level it made it easier for a nervous audience to understand how Obama could reject the comment but not the man. Would we also expect him to reject his own grandmother as a racist? Of course not. So why can't we understand why he has forgiven Wright?

I also think that in that story his white audience is supposed to see themselves in his white grandmother - frightened of black man Wright, but absolved by Obama because while he might cringe, he understands and forgives us for it. I really thought it was a masterful rhetorical move.

Obama shouldn't have mentioned his "white grandmother" at all. Her fears and comments were private and personal, spoken to a much-loved grandson. To smear her, and violate her privacy and trust, was truly cring-worthy. And, to equate those statements with the very public, viscious rantings of his pastor is pathetic. To imply he can't walk away from his pastor, just like he can't throw grandma out on the street because of her views, is absurd. Rev. Wright is NOT family; he is not, in fact, the old coot of an uncle that says mean things at the dinner table while everyone's eyes roll. Obama hooked up with this man as an adult and has maintained the relationship voluntarily. Obama basically said that his pastor and church as the same as his family, so he can't disown them and has to agree to disagree. This is tribal affirmation and disheartening to hear from a candidate claiming to be post-racial.

I do not think Senator Obama's reference to his grandmother was a smear. And yes, many members of church congregations - no matter their "race" or ethnicity, view themseleves as "family".

I question your use of the term "tribal".

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That's because you're not his grandma.

This wasn't the first time he brought up the story of his grandmother - it's also in his first book. He didn't sell her out to politics, he was trying to make a larger point.

If you're seeing "Tony Blair with a fabulous tan," David, you not only are trying to spin the speech into something entirely different than it was, but obviously missed the very point. Or maybe you're just not ready to rise above such unwarranted judgment. While I always disagree with your posts, but enjoy reading them for your vocabulary, this one made ME cringe.

You might need to read over it again.

First off, you probably didn't cringe when your grandma said she was afraid of black men because you're not one. If someone you loved dearly said she was terrified of all people that looked like you, it might sting a little.


"And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns"
He does address that the concerns of both sides are legitimate, he says that we have to stop pretending they're not in order to go anywhere. I see you're doing a great job of that.


The formal structure of the speech was full of masterful rhetorical devices. This one might have been the best.

But there were many others:

Starting with the "more perfect union" quote, which a) is immediately familiar, b) evokes the Founding Fathers myth and thus ties Obama to the proto-patriots and c) sets up the twin themes of a "union" that still needs "perfecting"; and then returning to it at key points to underline both the work that's been done and the work to come.

Making his story a microcosm of the Melting Pot myth, paralleling Kenya and Kansas, the exotic and the familiar, evoking WWII via his grandparents, and resolving the story with the "only in America" riff.

Michelle's "blood of slaves and slaveholders", implicitly rationalizing her "proud of America" comments with the same historical anger that motivated Rev Wright's sermons.

The flamboyant description of a Trinity service, almost Langston Hughes-like in evoking sights and sounds, confirming the image of a forthright and uninhibited black expression of faith that many whites might envy, and setting the scene for the rhetorical excesses that might naturally follow.

And of course the whole parallelism of black and white racial anger and distrust, again resolved with the "more perfect union" theme.

Plus the speech was written with his own vocal rhythms in mind, by a man who not only understands rhetoric but also knows how to dramatize it.

Never have I heard a politician deliver such a masterful performance - very refreshing.


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Michael Gerson in the WAPO makes a big point of Wright's accusations that the US government created HIV to kill black people, I quote at length,

Take an issue that Obama did not specifically confront yesterday. In a 2003 sermon, Wright claimed, "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color." This accusation does not make Wright, as Obama would have it, an "occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy." It makes Wright a dangerous man. He has casually accused America of one of the most monstrous crimes in history, perpetrated by a conspiracy of medical Mengeles. If Wright believes what he said, he should urge the overthrow of the U.S. government, which he views as guilty of unspeakable evil. If I believed Wright were correct, I would join him in that cause. But Wright's accusation is batty, reflecting a sputtering, incoherent hatred for America. And his pastoral teaching may put lives at risk because the virus that causes AIDS spreads more readily in an atmosphere of denial, quack science and conspiracy theories. Obama's speech implied that these toxic views are somehow parallel to the stereotyping of black men by Obama's grandmother, which Obama said made him "cringe" -- both are the foibles of family. But while Grandma may have had some issues to work through, Wright is accusing the American government of trying to kill every member of a race. There is a difference.

There are many churches in Chicago... Why did Obama, a "Harvard man" from Hawaii, go to one where the preacher was straight out of a Chester Himes book about Coffin Ed Johnson and Gravedigger Jones? To me that is an interesting question.

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A rather expedient comment on Obama's part. For a grandmother who did so much and sacrificed so much for him to be remembered by history as a bigot was fairly harsh.

All politicians are expedient.

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Barack Obama's grandmother is going to be remembered as the grandmother of the 44th President of the United States, as someone who wasn't perfect, but who did the best she could to provide a foundation for a man who would go on to positively and profoundly change the lives of millions after a period when people around the world thought America might have permanently lost her way...

Sometimes it is healthy to tell the truth, even when the truth causes us to reflect on things that don't always make us smile.

well, I lived for three years in a black neighborhood in Brooklyn, and I gotta tell, at least in the late 80s, about the scariest thing on planet Earth was a black male, age anywhere from 14 to 45 or so. And of the three female friends of mine that have been raped, guess what. Black males, each time. And in law school? Zero percent black students were, in my opinion, smart, although I wouldn't put the number higher than 20% for students generally that I respected.
Oh, and bar exam performance? Man, a sad spectacle.

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Barack Obama's grandmother is going to be remembered as the grandmother of the 44th President of the United States
Statements like this always put me in mind of the classic recipe for rabbit stew that begins, "first catch your rabbit"
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Well, I wouldn't have done it to my grandma, but then I'm not a politician.

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If I did that to my grandma she would crawl out of her grave and wash my mouth out with soap.

If she crawled out of her grave to wash your mouth out with soap, it would be because of this post...nothing else.

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