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Geraldine Farraro Says Obama Is Lucky He Is Black
<blockquote>"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this
position," she continued. "And if he was a woman (of any color) he
would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he
is. And the country is caught up in the concept."
Ferraro does not buy the notion of Obama as the great reconciler.</blockquote>
The whole article is here.
Will the media or Hillary hold her accountable? TPM what say you?
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Comments (88)
Accountable for what?
I love this quote from the article, which is right on the money:
"I was reading an article that said young Republicans are out there campaigning for Obama because they believe he's going to be able to put an end to partisanship," Ferraro said, clearly annoyed. "Dear God! Anyone that has worked in the Congress knows that for over 200 years this country has had partisanship - that's the way our country is."
March 10, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your obliviousness is simple proof that love-struck Clinton supporters have on their blinders to how filthy Hillary, Bill and gang really are. Their campaign has shown that their kitchen sink strategy includes racism, and you obviously approve.
If you applied Ferraro's twisted racist logic to Hillary, then Chris Matthews is a genius when he has pointed out time and time again (as other Bill Maher types have) that if Bill Clinton "did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky" that she would not be in her political position today.
Bob Kerrey, Bill Clinton, Mark Penn, Geraldine Ferraro and others have shown that these type of racist tactics by surrogates is not off the table in Hillary's desperate attempt to muddy up the water to steal the election. Thank goodness Obama is reminding everybody today that he still has the popular vote, more delegates and more states and is on the way to the nomination despite the Clintons' bamboozlement.
March 10, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah! The language of inclusion! "Just words," as Obama might say.
Then why is it that all the Rottweilers, Pit Bulls and Dobermans wind up posting on Obama's side?
March 10, 2008 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some Americans have zero tolerance for racism.
March 11, 2008 2:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the ones who trot around Jesse Jackson, Jr. ror months comparing Obama to his father and then get upset when someone who's white says the name "Jesse".
March 11, 2008 5:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
No one compared Obama to Jesse Jackson except for Bill Clinton. Stop making shit up.
March 11, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
See response below, didn't post right as a reply. Search for "Is this making shit up?"
March 11, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love this peculiarly Clintonian logic. It's not the racist who is outrageous, it is the people who are outraged by racism who are the dogs.
Maybe you should take the outrage here as a measure of Ferraro's stupidity and offensiveness, not a measure of the bloggers fanaticism. Use some JUDGMENT.
A brief history of the Clinto campaign shows that she had a substantial lead over Obama among black voters in SC in December. Her stupid comment about LBJ making MLK's dream come true alienated many of them, as did Penn's meme relegating SC to a black state. We also had Clinton people saying that Obama supporters were just privileged white folks who wanted an imaginary black friend, that Obama was a drug dealer, and now that he's only successful because he's black.
Not racist? Give me a break!
On top of that, the sheer absurdity of a Clintonista complaining about an unfair advantage when her entire candidacy is based on her marriage! Talk about "not being here" except by luck!
You Hillary cultists have to take the blinders off one day...
March 11, 2008 6:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
gwojtowy,
I have never read of a single one of those dogs supporting Obama.
Glen terriers surely do though as an ancient Irish breed that the Irish peasants were allowed to own while only nobility could own hounds. These cute little bundles of dynamite were used, among other things, to fight badgers, that in turn can cow a cougar or grizzly bear.
Please be more careful with your charges. I am reasonably certain, that as very intelligent animals, dobermans would probably support Obama too. I will give Hillary the benefit of the doubt with rottweilers. Like her, they are kinda mean.
Best, Terry
March 11, 2008 7:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Also Jack Russells.
March 11, 2008 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
You sure Jack Russells are also an ancient Irish peasant's working dog capable of fighting badgers? :-)
Nevertheless I am sure Jack Russells would be smart enough to love Barack Obama too if they ever stop running.
Cats might like Hillary. They hate people. :-)
Best, Terry
March 11, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny, but Chris Matthews' assertion seems to be shared by many Obama followers.
Obama followers who gladly turn Obama's white privileged prep-school childhood into a black man's struggle. (To be fair, it was more an Asian-white mixed privileged prep-school childhood).
Obama's father was a Nairobi clerk who left when he was 2. His step-father was a golf-playing oil manager for Shell. His mother was an English teacher at the Embassy but with her anthropology roots and world interests she made a career in 3rd world development (I don't know why Obama doesn't make a hero out of her, frankly - interesting woman). He was half raised by his mostly Christian white grandparents. The odd thing is that the whole Moslem issue is so easy to dispense with because Barack was raised boring US middle class Christian in Hawaii in a safe normal society except for 4 not very tough years in Indonesia. His sister's a Buddhist. If Obama wasn't playing up the miniscule Africa connection and implications of childhood poverty so much, this issue would have easily gone away.
How this child took on the mantel of Martin Luther King, I have no idea. Go read "Malcolm X" or "Soul on Ice" or "The Invisible Man" or "Go Tell It On the Mountain" or Dick Gregory's "Nigger" for some tough inspirational stories.
March 11, 2008 5:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are a great many middle class Blacks who can detail roadblocks that they have faced. I have posted this many times before but here goes, even in 2008 despite equal educaton and income there are still major differences in health care delivery, loan access, etc. Middle class African-Americans are not without their own issues. The middle class represents a large chunk of African-American voters. These voters are watching Hillary's campaign and becoming more and more disenchanted.
Ferraro may have wished that John Lewis knew his place and continued full support of HRC. Perhaps the Civil Rights veteran and current politician saw something that he did not like in the Clinton camp and back-pedaled. In 02/2007, Clinton had 60% of the African-American vote according to polls. 20 % of Black democrats supported Obama. The remaining 20% were split among Edwards and others. She has steadily lost ground.
African-Americans have traditionally voted for White candidates. In fact, Al Shasrpton got a minority of the African-American vote in his own NYC when he ran for president. Michael O'Malley won the mayoral race in overwhelmingly African-American Baltimore, Maryland. O'Malley was running against African-American opposition. Sen Clinton needs to look within to determine why Black voters are not attracted to her.
It is interestingly to see some Hillary supporters pull out the wingnuts' "race card" defense for ill-considered statements made by Clinton campaign surrogates regarding Obama. Taylor Marsh, who is not a surrogate but a staunch Clinton supporter, appears to have sentiments that represent more Democrats than I would have thought.
March 11, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, it looks like Obama had no trouble getting good home financing ;)
His wife had no trouble getting a heavy promotion to a new VP slot ;)
He had a fine education, so did she.
I'm not going to say he had no discrimination, but then what about discrimination to me? What about the boy or girl next door? How do we rank petty and serious discrimination?
And you'd think that the Clintons' part in bringing black poverty down from 33% to 21% in the 1990's would draw a scant bit of praise.
March 11, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
The more I read from the hardcore online Clinton supporters, the more it reads like the GOP.
Didn't the owners of the home in question say that the Obama offer was the best one?
March 11, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Calm, Amber, calm...
Obama is black, and he's winning 90% of the black vote. To be sure, he's also winning a solid chunk of the white vote, however overall, if it weren't for black people voting for a black candidate, he wouldn't be in the lead today. Race is an issue in this campaign, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing - people often vote for those they identify with.
The important thing is that it doesn't make you racist to point it out!
March 11, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry but that comment is not "right on the money". I can take you back in time to an ideological moment where you could read the same type of comment and people like you supporting it:
"I was reading an article that said some white people are out there supporting King because they believe he's going to be able to put an end to racism," so and so said, clearly annoyed. "Dear God! Anyone that lives in this country knows that for over 200 years this country has had racism - that's the way our country is."
March 11, 2008 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeh, and if Geraldine had not been married to the mob, she'd be vice-president!
March 11, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, she does know what she talks about.
Given her record, etc. she would not have been on a national ticket in 1984 with Mondale if she weren't female.
Of course, Obama is running his own campaign and being picked by the electorate, rather than being picked by some party elder.
Let's be honest, she should also say that HRC wouldn't have a Senate seat except for her last name.
Ah, consistency. Thy name is *not* Geraldine.
March 10, 2008 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amazing!
Finally Clinton's campaign is taking on the incredibly privileged position that Black Men Hold in this country!
Black men get to pay lower taxes than Whites like Geraldine just because they earn less money! Talk about unfair!!
And they get to go do jobs outdoor in the fresh air with healthy manual labor while white people have to sit inside in the air conditioning and stare at computer screens!!!
And the police? Don't get me started on the police! They're so buddy, buddy. All of the time I see the police pulling over Black men so they can chat. Why don't they ever pull me over?
Finally the Clinton campaign is speaking Truth to Power and forcing the country to confront all of the advantages that black children raised by single mothers have relative to white children raised in the suburbs.
No justice, no peace! Preach it Hillary!!
March 10, 2008 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your comment made me chuckle.
Ferraro's comments DID sound butt-stupid didn't they?
I hope Hillary's campaign understands they should probably limit Ferraro's doofus commentary.
March 10, 2008 11:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you really think that the Hillary camp had nothing to do with this. If you listen to everything else Ferarro says, she's following their talking points quite well. Bob Kerrey, Bill Clinton and Mark Penn were talking for the campaign went the went the way of Ms. Ferarro. Hopefully, Mississippi is listening.
March 10, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really??? You think so? Could they really be that stupid?
Hunh.
March 10, 2008 11:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
This story is blowing up elsewhere, meaning here at TPM it will take a day or two to get its legs. Fortunately, they have the Spitzer story to distract attention.
Just an abominably racist and rotten comment and one for which Hillieberman needs to give some answers.
March 10, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope McCain picks Condelezza Rice as his VP. Geraldine will be eaten her words if that happened.
But her argument can be said right back at Hillary Clinton's position. Just like clearthinker mentioned Hillary's NY state senate seat was gained on the merit that her surname brought her. And Hillary's so called entitlement to the White House is based almost soley on not just her surname but the controversy that surrounded it in Bill's last years in office. Hillary proved she was fighter and with stood the Kenneth Star investigation.
I don't remember seeing Geraldine and others rooting for former Illinois Senator Carol Mosley Braun when she ran for president in 2004, so one can argue that Hillary is lucky that she is White and last name is Clinton.
March 10, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that the sexism in the media is real, but to suggest that he has it easier than her as a black man is beyond laughable and undermines all well deserved credability she had. Is he black enough? Is he just another Jesse Jackson? Did he ever sell drugs? Is he a Muslim? Does he transcend his race (code for overcome)? Sounds like a free pass to me.
All this shows is that this woman is completely out of touch with the day to day realities of people of color, not only black men, but also Latinos, Native People, Middle Eastern Folks, Asian Pacific Islanders, etc.
Recent polls show both Obama and Clinton have people who would never support them due to their identities and both have had the media feed the racism and sexism against them. What an embarrassing statement her for to make.
March 10, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
He was a boring middle-class kid but he gets to act like a crusader against all odds. He says he did drugs himself. If he sold drugs it was a stupid suburban thing to make his allowance go a bit further. If he wasn't trying to spin his childhood into a heroic journey, the Muslim part would be easily dispelled.
Hillary's advantage is she gets to support her husband's career over her own promise and credentials and skills, raise the kid among her other activities, and then get told how lucky she is her husband made her who she is. Why should she be ungrateful? And of course, I'm sure gold-digger that she is, that the first time in Yale law school she set her eyes on that fatherless redneck underclassman from Arkansas she said, "Yes, this could be my path to success." Said shortly, she married into success. Note the calculated jump from the Watergate Committee to the spouse of a failed candidate for US Congressman out of Fayetteville, Arkansas? A status her fellow classmates at Wellesley would have died for.
March 11, 2008 5:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're a heavy hitter, Desidero, but, as someone told me, you're talking into an Obama echo chamber here. But keep it up, please.
The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy, but these are new. They look human - sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot. I have to wait till they move on you before I can zero them.
March 11, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a 2000 series. I can chew Altoids. The older models are the ones with bad breath.
March 11, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course the media won't mention a peep of it, because the media hates her so much, obviously.
I don't know about you, but I say she needs to resign, and Hillary needs to denounce and reject her comments, immediately. It has already gone unanswered for too long.
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/post/28491876
March 10, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a troll.... his name is Barack Hussein Obama... and he is lucky he is black?
Ms. Ferraro, Ms. Clinton, Ms. Steinem, and Ms. Jong need to take a vacation and sip some mai tais. Ladies... go burn your support bras...
Bitches for Obama.
March 10, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I strongly suspect they won't be joined by Ségolène Royal.
March 10, 2008 10:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is nothing new. Ms Ferraro is very Freudian or something. In 1988 when Jesse Jackson was running for President - only four years after her VP candidate stint -- I heard a speech of hers in which she *very* sarcastically dismissed him out of hand, saying "if he weren't black no one would be paying any attention to him." Er, 'scuse me lady ....
March 10, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wrote last week about another racist remark that Ferraro made on NPR:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/of-surrogates-and-delegates.php
March 10, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remembered that and thought at first they were the same incident. She can't hide her underlying racist views.
March 10, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently not. Will TPM run this?
March 10, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Geraldine Ferraro isn't a racist. You're all making a huge deal out of nothing. It's all part of the new kind of politics, I guess.
March 10, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
So saying that Ted Kennedy and John Kerry either would or should support Hillary Clinton because they're white isn't racist? What's your definition of racism?
March 10, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right. Good point, DF.
Destor 23, I understand and even sympathize with the temptation to see only the best in your candidate, but this isn't Hillary--it's Geraldine Ferraro. Go to the link DF points to and listen to Ferraro on NPR. I see a racist predisposition at work there.
Hillary's campaign probably should be very careful about how they use Ferraro's support. But I'll bet it gets really tricky trying to control their supporters' message without offending them.
March 10, 2008 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not like anyone is saying she's David Duke, but it definitely is, as you say, "butt-stupid."
March 11, 2008 2:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Holy crap! It's surprising that she automatically put her response into a black-white frame. That's not how the question was asked.
Pretty telling. I Do wonder if this kind of thing has to do with age--and no, of course I don't have any proof to back it up. I'll be accused of ageism now. I just notice that it seems like a lot of younger people immediately notice out-of-context focus on race, while it's older people who either don't see anything wrong with it or they think the racism is subtle and almost undetectable.
March 10, 2008 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
HEY TPM, DO YOU THINK THIS STORY MIGHT BE NEWSWORTHY??????
Jesus, you had the "monster" story on the front page not 5 minutes after Drudge and HuffPo.
Seriously, it's gotten ridiculous around here. I scoffed at the "bias" accusations for months but stuff like this seems to slip by in favor of Wolfson conference call stenography all day long.
March 10, 2008 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll print up the t-shirts.
March 10, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's that saying, "birds of a feather, stick..." Hindsight is 20/20. This is one time that I'm glad that we can look back and see that we made the right decision in '84.
March 10, 2008 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right. I worked for Jesse in 1984 and 1988. Did you?
March 10, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy, actually I did. Plus I have worked for a lot of other candidates, Black and White and a Republican on occasion. I also have voted in every single election since eligible to vote, even by absentee ballot when I served my country overseas. But I have never voted for a Republican in a national election because our value system never tended to be in alignment. This year could be a first.
March 10, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was supposed to be for the "Bitches for Obama" comment.
March 10, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy cow. Ferraro, a front-line HRC surrogate, parrots rightists' anti-affirmative action screed talking points three days ago and the press is still talking about stupid "monster" name calling? Have we slipped into Bizarro World?
March 10, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
What does affirmative action have to do with anything?
March 10, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me get this straight? If Obama were white, running exactly the same campaign, he would be pulling 90% of the black vote? Why?
March 10, 2008 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
The answer is yes if the candidate was HRC and she ran a similar race-baiting campaign. That's a tactic normally used by the GOP and the margins were get this, similar when Whites ran against Whites, and Black voters perceived that one candidate was using racist and fear-mongering tactics to gain the advantage. These candidates weren't necessarily racist, but would use any and everything to win.
Obama was trying to raise the standards. Why couldn't HRC believe in her ability to win in a fair fight? That 51-49 crap really is bad for the country.
March 10, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, now you see where we've arrived. Jesse Jackson got as high a proportion of the black vote as Obama has to this point. But you remember that, since you worked for him. You also remember that Jesse ran quite a different campaign. And he didn't run against a Clinton. Don't be disingenuous, please. The simple fact is Ferraro called it. If Obama weren't black, whatever else his qualities might be, he wouldn't have lasted this long.
The truth is, Obama brought race into the campaign via Jesse Jackson, Jr., following Clinton's LBJ/MLK comparison. It was, as Rangle said, stupid for him to do it. It gave him a short term advantage with the Democratic Party base, but, in the long run, it will hamper his efforts to create a national consensus if he is the nominee.
Where I think we'll end up, one way or another, is with a new base for the Democratic Party, cobbled together out of the winning candidates core constituency and whatever can be salvaged from the opponent's.
In Obama's case, his constituency could for the base of a new Third Party. He should consider that if he doesn't get the nomination.
March 11, 2008 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
"We are not a white America, we are not a black America, we are not a Latino America, we are not an Asian America. We are the United States of America. ..."
I can see 90% of black voters finding these words inspiring, regardless of the race of the candidate with the audacity to voice them.
However, I'm not playing disingenuous here. African Americans are rejoiced, transfixed and proud of Obama's candidacy just as the Irish were of Kennedy's and many women are of Clinton's.
March 10, 2008 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right, but if Hillary appeals to women she's playing the gender card. Obama can play up his black roots (even while recasting his middle class father - a clerk in Nairobi - as a "goat herder" and himself from middle class prep school kid to a "struggler") and that makes him heroic and uniting.
March 11, 2008 4:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has never said: this election is about change because you can be electing a black man.
HRC, on the other hand, is constantly reminding you that the "change" she speaks of is because of her gender.
I don't see how the gender of an aggressively ambitious Washington DC insider represents change.
March 11, 2008 5:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nonsense, it was all about this world view he had because his grandmother was in Kenya and his 4 years in Indonesia. He shifted his message a little bit since early 2007, but that's what it started as - "vote for my, I'm poly-ethnic". Then when people started pulling out his Kindergarten teacher to say how brilliant he was, that's when Hillary called enough and got slapped instead.
March 11, 2008 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
i think it's fair to call both candidates middle class. but the idea that a middle class black child in the united states has the same experience as a middle class white child is nonsense. regardless of your income, if you are a black american, you face racism. are you really making the argument that obama's race didn't impact his upbringing?
March 11, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you making the case that it did? Prove it. Prove that it mattered more than being a girl or having long hair or living in the wrong city or having a deadbeat alcoholic dad whipping your ass or having to leave school because your parents are too sick or one of a million other possibilities.
Really, just give him the "hi, I'm a black man, pity me" card and lets finish with this. Sheesh. He went to Harvard, he went to a prep school from the time he was 10, I don't think things were all that bad in Michelle's "mean" America.
March 11, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
my assertion that obama faced racism does not equal an assertion that women don't face sexism or that your father beating you doesn't impact your life. i think you made a huge and really unproductive leap.
i'm not going to ask you to prove that sexism exists, because i think anyone who halfway pays attention and isn't biased can acknowledge it does. the same goes for racism. it's in everyday interactions, comments, looks, etc...
i'm not trying to create a hierarchy of -isms, but you seem to say that racism doesn't count as part of obama's experience because he didn't have it as bad as other people did. that's nonsense. does sexism not affect hillary because she didn't have it as bad as women who are beaten by their husbands and end up homeless on the street?
i'm not asking anyone to give him a 'pity' vote. my questions was whether or not you really though racism didn't impact obama's life.
March 11, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
You said "regardless of your income, if you are a black american, you face racism. are you really making the argument that obama's race didn't impact his upbringing?" Well, I don't know how much racism he faced - a lot less than someone living in the inner city I would guess and at some point I don't really see why I should pull out a measuring stick just because he's black to figure out whether he suffered a lot or a little racism. If he suffered it, say it, we'll acknowledge it, and figure out if it makes any difference. But just because he's black, I don't have to assume he suffered a lot of racism, sorry. But I'm afraid a lot of people do. And there's more than enough school of hard knocks to go around America. If he gets to show his battle scars, I get to show mine, the next candidate gets to show hers. Italians and Irish and Chinese and others got trashed and discriminated and sometimes killed and worked through hard times. Most of those from the 20's suffered much more than Obama. Obama's grandfather went off to join Patton's army - I'd say he suffered a lot more than any racism Obama experienced. So why don't we cut all this stuff about presumed suffering?
March 11, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Following Hillary's motto, I'd say that makes him experienced in those areas.
March 11, 2008 6:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
We need to start a "Stories TPM is Ignoring" thread, update it every day, and keep recing it to the top of the list until we see some movement. The list is getting long.
March 10, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
For the Ric Flair fan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrXTVFx8DXs
March 10, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure what her point is here. Where does she think Hillary Clinton would be were she not married to Bill Clinton? Does she think just anyone can waltz into New York and be elected Senator?
I think Hillary is a bright, talented woman. If she had not married Bill, she might very well have made a political career on her own. But Hillary Rodham would probably be the Republican senator from Illinois and would be currently challenging John McCain for the Republican nomination for President.
March 10, 2008 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Mississippi listening?!
March 10, 2008 11:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ferraros' comment won't have an impact in MS. The remark was aimed at Pennsylvania, where it will get a sympathetic hearing, unfortunately.
March 11, 2008 2:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Come on Hillary people...you gotta admit this is over the top. It was a stupid and insensitive thing to say, at best.
Yes - how fortunate to be a black politican in America! We've really embraced them at every opportunity - that's why Barack Obama is the lone African-American Senator. (And in the last 30 years there have been 2 black Senators). Lucky indeed.
March 11, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps Ferraro was responding to the Media, which is fawning all over Obama as if he's the new Great Black Hope. Unbelievable bias in 80 % of today's cable media coverage, and even the networks struggle with balance. Chris Matthews is so biased, the script could almost read: Well that's enough about Obama. let's talk about you. Tell me, what do YOU think of Obama?
March 11, 2008 3:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Unbelievable...looks like Ferraro isn't the only one who thinks color is some (unfair) advantage in American public life...
Do you think Obama would be LOSING the white Mississippi vote 17 to 70%, if he were white??
Do you think operatives would be floating around pictures of him in African garb and attempting to slander his own name, if he weren't of African descent?
Exit polls by the Times show that being a woman gives HRC 5%, but takes away that much from Obama. Because of his race.
March 11, 2008 4:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the problem is the word "advantage." That depends on the demographics of the state. As urbinato says, it's absurd to think being black gives a politician an advantage outside the black community in America. If there is a large number of blacks in a district, Obama has a natural advantage in that district. That's as far as it goes. Everything else he has put together, he has put together on his own, and, in some places, in spite of being black.
March 11, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is just a stupid comment by Ferraro. I would expect this kind of talk from a Republican talking head but not from a Democrat, and especially not from a surrogate of the Clintons who were once considered to be the first "Blacks" in the White House.
Sad to see we are stooping to that level in the Democratic Party.
But you keep on pushing that racist line, Hillary. Lets see how that works out for you with all the other minorities (black and non-black) in the U.S. who know exactly how hard it is to be one in this country.
March 11, 2008 5:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know what? The point Toni Morrison was making was that when they impeached him, the establishment and the Clinton haters were treating Bill Clinton the way blacks have always been treated in this country. "Black" President not for who he was or what he did. "Black" President in the way they went after him.
The real Obama was illuminated the moment he gave his flip answer to "was Bill Clinton black?" question in the SC debate. He really didn't get it. What Desidero is pointing out.
But what does it matter if Obama is authentically black or not? What does it matter if he is authentically anti-war or not? What does it matter if he was really part of the Civil Rights movement or not. It doesn't. It's only interesting from a historical perspective. Future commentators may write that this election is when the liberals who missed out on the real Civil Rights movement and the real anti-war movement got their tickets punched by voting for Obama.
March 11, 2008 9:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Toni Morrison is supporting Barack Obama in this election. Her selction was based on her sensing creative imagination and wisdom emanationg from Sen Obama. This was something she did not see in other candidates.
Morrison stated that her choice had nothing to do with age, race, or gender.
March 11, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Non sequitor alert.
March 11, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
"The real Obama was illuminated the moment he gave his flip answer to "was Bill Clinton black?" question in the SC debate. He really didn't get it. "
You dont know that to be certain. Obama may have known full well the message behind that assertion and had responded to the question in a way that public wanted to hear. I can imagine the American people responding negatively if he would have Obama pulled the race card on that question. Plus I think the general public accepts their own version of what 'Bill first Black president' means compared to what Toni Morrison meant.
March 11, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll admit that part of Obama's charm is his racial heritage, if Clinton supporter's admit that Hillary Clinton would not be here without her husband Bill.
For those interested in reading about Obama's childhood, I suggest reading "Dreams from My Father." I suspect it's the most candid autobiography you'll ever read from a modern-day Presidential candidate.
March 11, 2008 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you admit that Bill might not be where he is if it weren't for Hillary. She was the one working for the Watergate Committee, not him. She was the one working with Mondale's Labor Committee, not him. She had the child research experience, the organizing experience on campus. I have no doubt she was much more organized than he was. He was the one that got distracted with the girls, and always seemed to do better as an underdog than when he was riding a wave.
March 11, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, let's take down Rep. Steve King for his recent bigoted comments!
There is a Democrat running against him, and all of his horrible past comments are starting to snowball against him, WE CAN WIN THIS SEAT! We just took Hastert's old seat, and we can do this!
Read about his past comments, and DONATE to his opponent, let's take him down and make the GOP waste more money in the process!! You can donate through ActBlue, there is a link to his website near the end of my post, go there! Let's show him payback is a bitch!!
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/post/28555150
March 11, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why does race come into this at all?? Because Clinton supporters keep making it about race, plain and simple. Obama has done all he can to avoid being pigeonholed as a "black candidate", and in so doing he has inspired not only an overwhelming majority of black voters, but a wide range of people who want to move beyond the divisions of race, gender, ethnicity, etc...I think it is interesting to note that Obama was way down to Hillary in black support just a few months ago, with many worried he wasn't "black enough". What happened to turn this around? The minute the Clintons started tallking about race, the bullshit alarms started going off like crazy, and the more they talked the more people got turned off by their shameless attempt to marginalize Obama.....And how'd that work out for Hillary? For Ferraro to try this again shows just how cynical she really is, and how willing team Hillary is to continue playing Karl Rove's "divide and conquer" style politics....let her keep talking. All she does is turn off more undecideds/independents/decent people.
March 11, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ferraro's comments merit a TPM "story."
And Obama has been called racists slurs during his childhood. He did attend a prestigious school in Hawaii, but look at the photos -- not many other Black kids there. All "non-Whites" are not alike, and don't always like each other.
My "dream" ticket? Obama and Tiger Woods.
March 11, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is this making shit up? “Once, South Carolina voted for my father, and sent a strong message to the nation,” the younger Jackson said. “Next year, you can send more than a message. You can launch a President.” ... "A lot of politicians call themselves our friends," Jackson said.
"But Obama has a heart that beats for our community. And he’s dedicated his life to the struggle," added Jackson, who cited Obama's work as a community organizer on Chicago's South Side and as an attorney working on voting rights cases.
That's from October of last year:
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/jesse_jackson_jr_cuts_ad_for_b.html
Then Jesse Jackson Jr. was telling Bill Clinton to butt out:
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/terry-trippany/2008/01/10/congressman-jesse-jackson-jr-says-media-needs-tell-bill-clinton-bud-
I wonder how he felt about Oprah in the campaign?
March 11, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think part of the problem with Ferraro, and with Hillary's supporters who see nothing wrong with her comments, is they are still steeped in identity politics. I think that's what happened to some of the Hillary is 44ers who are treating everything as so good-and-evil. To advocate for your own "group" somehow comes to involve putting down other groups so you look better, different. It's totally fine for Ferraro to say something as appalling as this, to sound like Rush Limbaugh, because she's fighting for WOMEN and against SEXISM, and people are SEXIST and so somehow it becomes okay to say a black guy has it easy. Of course, it is appalling, and what she says is patently untrue. (Hillary's candidacy is all about her gender, about being this strong women who has worked hard in a male world and now this young smooth-talking MAN is trying to charm everyone away from what she has EARNED. Her senate record doesn't scream "Presidential" either, but it's a lie that experience and senate tenure have anything to do with selecting a president. Otherwise we'd be fighting between Dodd and Biden right now.) If everything is about gender politics, about women first, it makes perfect sense to state that Obama only got there because he's black, to raise the specter of affirmative action taking away the hard work of white people, which is so appalling for any Democrat. If women work twice as hard for half the credit, apparently the road is just paved with gold for a black guy. Her comments are offensive, disgusting, absurd, and just plain wrong. She should be ashamed of herself.
In other words, I think people who have gone off the deep end about Hillary to the point where they are saying, and defending, indefensible things, are so steeped in identity politics, and in Hillary as its champion, they can't see straight.
I do wonder if anyone who is part of the campaign or supports Hillary is at all concerned with these comments and what it might do to the black vote if Hillary manages to kneecap Obama, of if they are too busy pretending anyone who thinks they're offensive is nuts. Even if you don't agree it's offensive, you have to engage with the fact that any black person who has been accused of only getting where they are because of race might not take kindly to these comments. If that chunk of Dems stays home because of comments like this, how is she going to win? Hillary is a 50 plus 1 candidate, with her high negatives and McCain's false portrayal as a maverick she relies on all the Dems going for her. But she's not going to get that 50 if she offends black Democrats.
March 11, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
It really is a symptom of a racist society when you are not allowed to make the observation that race or how we think about race effects our perceptions.
For the most part, I agree with Ferraro's comment. But I think that we have to separate Obama the man from Obama the presidential candidate. We all know that Obama is smart, accomplished, and a good politician to boot. But Ferraro's comment is speaking to the reason why she feels Obama has been a successful presidential candidate, a phenom.
When Obama says that he will change Washington and bring on a age of new politics, he doesn't have to show a record of doing or even of trying to do that in a convincing way. In terms of politics and policy, there is nothing daring, revolutionary, or original about Barack Obama. But he sure seems to represent something new. I think his race, youth and rhetoric promotes a symbolic image of something new. Without really having to be substantively new.
Cynic alerts will wag their finger and cry, there you go again, you mean and racist Clintonites. Claiming that we are trying to marginalize their candidate with tactical moves. First, the only person that can marginalize Obama is Obama, at least when it comes to race. He must not sound afro-centric. And he hasn't. Ferraro whether appropriate or inappropriate, is speaking out of her heart. She is frustrated at watching Obama, a person who she feels is a lesser candidate with a lesser vision for America, succeed based on mere symbols. Symbols that have incorporated identity politics into what we think of as new.
Bringing up race does not make you a racist whether you are a republican or a democrat. I argue that Geraldine Ferraro is not a racist!
March 11, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wouldn't it be nice to get the entire story out not just a sound bite? Every time someone criticizes the soon to be Saint Obama, or tells the truth about Santus Obama, they are a RACIST. If Obama were a white candidate, his press coverage would be significantly less (especially at the beginning of the campaign) that the press love without scrutiny he got from the likes of MSNBC, OBAMAPOST, KOS, TPM, etc. Ms. GF did not say he was unqualified, she just told the truth. To Obamaistas, truth is of course RACISM. If you don't vote for Obama you ARE a RACIST!
March 11, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
And if you don't vote for Mrs. Clinton, then you are sexist. So now we're even. Feel better?
Identity politics is so tired; it divides with differences, rather than uniting with similarities. This is a concept Mrs. Clinton and her supporters do not seem to grasp.
Just another of the numerous reasons I am supporting Mr. Obama.
March 11, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
So has Ms. Ferraro resigned yet?
Oh, I see.... Interesting.
March 11, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
No Ferraro has not resigned and if smarter heads prevail she will not have to.
Its funny that you don't think Obama plays identity politics. Cause I think he has been playing it better than anyone else in this campaign.
March 11, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Miss. Primary exit polls from CNN:
91% of African Americans for Obama, 50 to 60 plus % of total democratic vote
72% of Whites for Clinton
These are just crazy numbers. Lets stop pointing fingers and just take a deep breath. Mississippi is got a racial divide. Not pretty.
March 11, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
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