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Former Reagan and Bush WH Lawyer endorses Obama

A very famous conservative professor and former White House lawyer during the Reagan and Bush I administrations endorsed Obama.

Not surprisingly, he defends his endorsement impressively clearly articulating Obama's cross-appeal.


Comments (37)

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Gee. Why is this not a surprise?

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That should be the kiss of death....

Did the two commenters above even bother to read the endorsement?

As if there is not a single person of good will alive who's not a registered Democrat. What is the basis for your resistance to thoughtful conservatives stepping up and admitting that, just maybe, we Dems have the better candidate this cycle?

What happened to the big tent?

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Certainly aren't any good persons that I know of that play for the other team.....Are you sure your a Progressive Blanco?

Well, I'm sure my parents voted for Bush both times, and bless her soul, Mom's got an Obama sticker on her car.

Maybe it's an insidious plot, or maybe it's just that she feels bad for being such a dupe. Either way, we're at a point, finally, in our house where my liberal siblings and I can have a full-fledged conversation with the 'folks' about where the country is headed, and, this is the lede, they're finally as freaked out about where Bush has taken our country as their kids are.

Sorry, but Hillary is *not* going after my family's demographic ... if anything, she's reinforcing all that (rightly or wrongly) she was already up against when this thing got started.

There are people in this country of ours who are looking for a candidate to reassure them that it's not going to be another 8 years of fear and lies ... and these folks are not necessarily all Democrats. There are plenty of Independents and Republicans who've become fed up with a particular line of bull that's now coming from both Hillary and McCain and they don't have time or interest in weighing in here online, but they're out there. And, as Hillary's campaign may have noticed too late, that's a force to be reckoned with. They vote. We vote. Sucks, don't it ...


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I've been hearing for a long time that all "those" voters were going to show up at the polls. Still election after election we are sitting at 50% turnout. You'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath waiting for them to show. I did that in 1988 and it was a long day of no breathing.

I've been hearing for a long time that all "those" voters were going to show up at the polls. Still election after election we are sitting at 50% turnout. You'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath waiting for them to show. I did that in 1988 and it was a long day of no breathing.

Louisville, don't talk that way! This isn't 1988, for Chrissakes. Disapproval for Bush and the Republicans has been at historic lows for...what?...well over a year now??

Anyway, how the f*ck do you think Hillary can win the general without some cross-overs? Put on your thinking cap, Louisville! (You know--it's that wee, tiny little thing with ear-flaps on it!) :-D

I think your contempt is mostly about the fact that this particular conservative isn't backing your fave candidate...but what about the conservatives who will vote for Hillary this time?? They're out there--TRUST ME.

PLEASE don't run off new recruits by adopting a superior attitude. It doesn't help us!

Goddammit, it really pisses me off when high-horse progressives want to chase off new recruits because they're considered morally inferior. Come on, now!

I live in a red state, and it's absolutely essential that we work to attract indies and "convert" disaffected Republicans. I want Texas to go blue, dammit. The time is ripe to bring in new blood and grow the party, so don't f*ck it up, progressives! It may be DECADES before we get an opportunity like this again!

It's AJM & Lullvull'75.

Did you have high expectations?

It's sad but true: A significant portion of HRC's base of support is of the "scorched earth," "50+1," "Warfare forever," "no such thing as a good Republican," variety. You would think that Jim Webb would be the beginning of the end of those sort of mindstates, and maybe he is. But there is still much work to be done...

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pronounce it correctly. Lou - a - vul. Comeon you guys are Obama supporters and Progressives and your talking up bringing in Republicans to the tent? I think that would be my job in this whole discussion. I have no real problem with Moderate Republicans switching parties to vote for us. They have no real home there anyways. Obviously, McLiberman is a bit of different animal.

Webb is great. Bringing back that southern part of the party that hasn't had a home here is great. I am one of them. I just have a hard time thinking many progressives actually embrace that idea.

Perhaps I should have summarized a bit more of the article. Basically, the now Pepperdine Con Law Prof is taking a lot of slack from the right. Prof. Kmiec is pro-life, anti gay-marriage, and strongly believes in a “limited judicial role.” Nevertheless, despite his clear disagreement with Obama on ALL of these issues, he believes Obama is the best person for the job.

Here's a nice exchange:

Hi Professor. Thanks for chatting. Many have criticized your Obama endorsement, arguing that, based on your stated beliefs, Senator McCain would be a better candidate for you.

I have nothing against McCain. Indeed, he was my candidate in 2000, and I would still think him the better choice in 2000. But, perhaps like my time, his time has passed. John’s understanding of warfare is the understanding of, as Tom Brokaw put it, the greatest generation. Just as shock and awe did not prevail in Iraq, McCain’s under-estimation of the cost of deployments both in terms of money, life, and international standing, make him not well suited to protect our national security in a time of terrorist threat.


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If a Reagan-ite is endorsing my Candidate....I'd be a little nervous

Your candidate is endorsing a Reagan-ite. THAT doesn't make you nervous?

Hey, at least Hillarity is getting the Rash Lumpbutt endorsement. That must make you very happy.

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Bitch just needs something to talk about.....Can't someone get the guy some good prescriptions?

Hah! :-D

I'm just waiting for the day when we have audio/video of that gluttonous big-mouthed douchebag doing his show while full-on stoned. I'll bet MSNBC and CNN would show the clips over and over and over....

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"The Chief Justice and Justice Alito are unparalleled. But I view those appointments not as partisan appointments, but rather appointments that, as Roberts tried to articulate, are designed to take politics out of the Court."

Tells you everything about this tenured hustler. Obama people need not get this desperate this early.

Tells you everything about this tenured hustler. Obama people need not get this desperate this early.

MF, the point is "Obama people" are (or should be) now looking to the GE, and this type of endorsement bodes very well. Older "thinking" Repulicans like Prof. Kmiec may move away from McCain with similar reasoning. This will give a lot of credence to his cross-appeal. This, coupled with Obama's current base and life-long Dem voters, could make for a very nice fall.

In all reality, HRC is dead. Her supporters just don't know it yet. Obama v. McCain is the real focus, and McCain is a very flawed candidate for this current Economy.

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Dead you say? I thought she was a Monster and "tearing down the party" and using the "kitchen sink" approach and and and..and and....What gives? If she is that dead why are you even posting against her?

This isn't a post against her. Telling that you'd see it that whay, though.

I agree she is tearing the party apart at the moment, however, I do not believe it will have much affect in the long run. She is done. Dead.

Her campaign will continue, but in two to three months she's done. The writing is on the wall. Each day her path to victory narrows. And any argument she had against Obama's electability due to Rev. Wright just blew up with her Bosnia lie.

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I was just starting to get used to Obama, and now this.

I really wonder at how any liberal or progressive could consider this endorsement a good thing. At best, it reveals that Obama is a completely blank slate onto which everyone -- liberal and conservative, young and old, Democrat and Republican -- projects their fondest wishes and their deepest hopes. So conservative nutjobs like Kmiec can think he supports judicial restraint and Obama's liberal supporters can think that he'll appoint judges who will protect the right to privacy, and everyone's deluded and happy.

That's the best possible case behind this endorsement.

The worst case is that Obama will actually appoint middle-of-the-road judges and not expend any political capital at all in correcting the literally disastrous trend of the Reagan-Bush I & II years. The way he'll reach across the aisle is by appointing judges -- like Clinton did -- who are moderate at best and who will be Roberts-Alito-Scalia-Thomas-lite. And we'll be able to say goodbye to the First, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments -- to say nothing of the right to privacy and the equal protection clause -- for good.

Really, flaunting Obama's conservative endorsements is frightening to progressives (not Hillary supporters).

I shouldn't come here . . .

I don't want to reach consensus with the people like Kmiec who helped to make us a nation of torturers. I want them drummed out of American politics.

I understand how you feel.

I support Obama, and I sincerely hope, if he becomes President, that his SC and judicial appointments will put a HALT to the damage these extreme right-wing "strict constructionist" judges (I think John Dean more aptly describes them as "fundamentalist") are set about doing.

We can't know for sure exactly what a Democratic President will do to build consensus or "reach across the aisle"--it'll depend on how Congressional races settle out this November, I imagine. I feel confident that Obama will compromise where we can afford to, but will NOT compromise on things like torture, habeas corpus, civil rights, etc. (Off topic: there's a great collection of essays in the latest Washington Monthly about ending torture. It includes a few essays by Republicans. Makes you realize there are still some sane ones.)


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Sure you should come here....Does the blood pressure wonders

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People like Louisville are why the Democrats consistently lose Presidential elections. Crafting a 51% electoral strategy and progressive politics don't easily mix because a 51% strategy relies on stoking fear and running up the opponent's negatives.

The Clinton campaign has adopted such a strategy for the nomination because, like Republicans, they have little positive appeal themselves; therefore the reliance on themes like "vetted," "experienced," and "CiC threshold" which inherently play off of people's fears and insecurities. But the Republicans have shown to be far better at this strategy than Democrats. It fits Republican ideology whereas it contradicts progressive ideology.

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So you're suggesting that pandering to conservative Republicans, like Kmiec and letting them think that you will deliver conservative judges like Roberts and Alito is better? That's better than a 51% strategy?

Maybe, but you're betting pretty heavily that Obama is just lying to all these conservatives and will tack sharply to the left. If he doesn't, then we're stuck with a very conservative judiciary.

I have hated Hillary Clinton's candidacy for a very long time now and didn't vote for her in my own primary. But Obama supporters are remarkably bad at providing any solid evidence that their candidate will not bend over backwards to cater to the Kmiec's in our polity -- indeed, he will owe them something. And if he starts doing that, we're screwed.

You may not like the 51% strategy; you may think that Obama is leading us all into a bright, liberal future where the scales fall from all those Republican eyes, and they march hand-in-hand with Democrats into a land of milk and honey. But color me skeptical.

my jaw is dropping! I've seen this guy (Kmiec) a lot on the News Hour, and he annoys the heck out of me with his smug social conservatism. So the apparent fact that he is so traumatized by 7 years of Bush foreign policy that he would rather accept Obama's judical appointments that see 4 more years of it is IMO, a really big deal.

I think this sentence deserves much bigger play on by somebody, maybe you:
"McCain’s under-estimation of the cost of deployments both in terms of money, life, and international standing, make him not well suited to protect our national security in a time of terrorist threat."

I can remember a time when you didn't have to put your fingers in your ears and say "lalalala" when someone with opposing political views was speaking.

I have always supported progressive politics, from the time FDR took us from the depths of depression to become the strongest nation in the world. The fact that GWB has done his level best to achieve the opposite, using every dishonest tactic ever known and inventing new ones besides, no doubt leaves many people disillusioned with genuine political dialog.

But there was a time when one could be conservative and genuinely concerned about America and her future. When one could honestly consider the views of those who honestly disagree.

The true strength of Obama is his documented ability to create consensus, or at least leaving opponents satisfied that their concerns will be heard.

The Rove tactic of treating voters like circus animals, to be trotted out to perform on cue, has become politics as usual, so now both sides of the political establishment follow that model. But this is not the big tent we are talking about. One half of any given group the "winners", the other half bereft.

I don't believe this is what attracts people to Obama. Young people especially are disillusioned with old politics, and though we older voters are wary of "change", it is obviously desired by Americans of every variety - why not allow them to participate as long as it is honest support. Can "Obama Republicans" be the new "Reagan Democrats"?

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I also remember these days, but those days "when one could be conservative and genuinely concerned about America and her future" are gone.

Can you name a prominent Republican who hasn't either endorsed torture or the unbridled expansion of executive power or sided with agents of intolerance in trying to restrict the civil rights of gays, blacks, women or voted to expand the power of the rich over the poor? There simply aren't any reasonable Republicans left to deal with anymore.

I don't want to reach consensus with the people like Kmiec who helped to make us a nation of torturers. I want them drummed out of American politics.

I know, I'm an angry liberal -- too angry for the American public. But Obama has shown -- on the topic of race -- that he can explain complicated emotional issues in ways that everyone can understand. So why doesn't he use those gifts to explain why people like Kmiec, who have defended an imperial presidency, are wrong? Because he's reaching across the aisle?

I've reconciled myself to this, but I don't think his supporters have. This Kmiec endorsement shows that conservatives think that he'll reach across the aisle on judicial appointments, and actually, I think that's probably true. He won't appoint right-wingers -- he'll just pick "moderates" who will do nothing to correct the conservative track we're on. So Obama supporters should ask themselves whether they're prepared to give over the judiciary irrevocably to forces hostile to civil rights, the 4th amendment, etc. And if they're not, then they ought to greet these kinds of endorsements with a little less celebration and a little more skepticism.

This endorsement may well be insincere, or a patent ruse. I don't see that anyone is celebrating it as anything other than a sign of a crumbling facade of republican unity.

Your suspicion is natural, but do you truly believe that there aren't any reasonable republicans? Do you truly believe Obama would appoint justices hostile to civil rights, the 4th amendment, etc.? If you have already given up, is there any reason to participate?

Your anger and bitterness are valid, after so many years of failures by those we consider our own. Too many to enumerate. The mature observing part of myself also wants to remain aloof, safe from further injury. But hope rises, and I'm willing to give it another chance. We are worth it.

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Reminds me of one of my family's senior members (he’s 94 I think) who is a life long Repub. On his door at the senior center where he lives is this in a lovely red, white and bumper sticker: Enough is Enough – Vote Democrat! Let’s welcome them all!!

Can "Obama Republicans" be the new "Reagan Democrats"?

Yes. Precisely on point.

Anna, Obama neither sought out Prof. Kmiec, promised a judicial appointment like Roberts and Alito, nor has he ever pandered to Conservatives.

What appeals to Prof. Kmiec is the fact that Obama rejects the us-against-them politics of which we've all grown tired, and embraces opposing points of view. As his record makes clear, this doesn't mean he will turn his back on his fundamental principles. Indeed, he has been described as the most liberal senator, has a rating of 100% from Planned Parenthood, etc. Rather, it means he will respect and accommodate others where possible, which makes it all the more likely he will actually be able to get Universal Healthcare, and all the other policies he and Sen. Clinton are so close-on, passed.


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Pearl White, The National Journal called Obama the most liberal senator. More responsible -- and competent -- political scientists place him squarely in the middle of the Democrats. He was tied for 10th in the 110th Senate and 21st in the 109th. Of course, in the 110th Senate, he missed so many votes -- 'cos he was raising money and running for President -- it skewed the results of the National Journal's findings. I'm surprised you didn't read about it at the time.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200802120010

And I'm glad that you're so thoroughly enamored of his voting record in the Senate. As one of his constituents, I'm probably more familiar and assuredly less impressed. He voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act; he voted for the energy bill -- a massive handout to the energy industry; he watered down regulations of the nuclear power industry; he voted to restrict injured people's access to class actions. And his "universal health care plan" won't be universal -- he says so himself.

Oh, and could someone please, please explain to me why he voted to confirm Condoleeza Rice for Secretary of State. Please.

(And a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood? The geniuses who decided to litigate abortion rights in a hostile judiciary? I couldn't care less.)

And let me ask you, Pearl White, what pet issue of yours are you willing to see him compromise on while he's engaged in this new politics?

You know what? I was actually pretty happy about Obama before I came here and started reading the stuff his supporters tell themselves. I'm better off listening to the MSM. At least there's no hero worship going on over there.

Fair points. I understand that you were an Edwards supporter, and likely now find yourself in the unwanted position of having to pick the candidate whom you dislike the least. Or, worst, no candidate at all. I actually voted for Clinton on Super Tues., but found myself drawn to Obama when things started to turn nasty, yet he took the high ground.

I concede that you appear to have quite a bit more experience with Obama's voting record as you've consistently injected these points into other conversations.

Your core beef with Obama seems to be that you believe he's TOO conciliatory, and should be more of a fighter. It's quite evident that you feel fighting is the best way to get your point across, or legislation passed. I disagree. Politics isn't a game of right and wrong; it's one of compromise and tact. I think Obama will be able to get much further in passing a progressive agenda through compromise and tact, than any of the other remaining candidates. Whom do you believe would be better at this point?

of The fact that they are I'll take each of the above
My question is this: Do you honestly feel that

Sorry for the gibberish at the end....

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Politics is a "game" of compromise and tact? That's how we became a nation that steals from the poor and gives to the rich. That's how we became a nation of torturers. Through scared Democrats "compromising" with immoral Republicans.

I wholly reject your idea that politics is a "game" of compromise. The Republicans did not drag this country down into the filth through compromise. They did it by demonizing liberals and scaring people. Politics is about persuading people to accept the course you lay out for them.

Obama, with his unique oratorical skills, has the capacity to do this, to take the country to the left without demonizing Republicans and scaring people. He has demonstrated his ability to give stirring speeches about race. Now, let him say what Edwards said -- that it's the nation's moral obligation to help those in need. He hasn't said that yet. Let him explain why restoring civil liberties will keep us safer -- he hasn't gotten around to that yet in any specific way. I want him to say he's going to close Guantanamo in his first day in office and give those people trials. Has he said that?

Obama is all about Obama -- and making people feel good about themselves. He isn't an authentic progressive; he's just another guy -- a real sweet talker to be sure -- trying to get elected. And frankly, liberals like me who are tired of the past 40 years of being brutalized by Republican administrations find all this talk about compromise either insulting or really, really naive.

As for the progressive agenda you're waiting for, Pearl White -- don't hold your breath. And take a look at Bill Clinton's first term in office because that's what you're going to get.

And for the record, this Edwards supporter finds both Obama and Clinton repellent. But seriously, I was warming up to Obama after the race speech and after Clinton's crappy tactics. But this whole conversation reminds me of how little I like him and his watered down liberalism.


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I'm confused by the apparent contradiction between Anna's unyielding demands of progressive policies and her stated former support of Edwards. I wouldn't go as far as Feingold, but if you want to hold up someone's voting records as a guide to commitment to progressive politics, be consistent.

At least Anna has Nader to vote for.

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I am an Obama supporter, and I wish to say that we should reject the support of this professor. When the Justice Dept. Torture memos were first reported; Mr. Kmiec went on PBS News hour and staunchly defended the torture authorizations from the Justice Dept. We do not need that type of fascist mentality in order to win. If that is the only way that we can win, then I would rather lose.

"it's absolutely essential that we work to attract indies and "convert" disaffected Republicans. I want Texas to go blue, dammit. The time is ripe to bring in new blood and grow the party, so don't f*ck it up, progressives! It may be DECADES before we get an opportunity like this again!"
Amen, Laura! How the heck do we win "red" states unless Republicans and former Republicans vote for our candidate?

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