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Many Clinton supporters find the current attempts to muscle her out of the race despicable. Maybe now is the time for Obama to take one for the team and accept her offer of the VP slot. It is the position he is better qualified for, would end a situation that is supposedly hurting the party, and would put him in a better position to run next time. Clinton has no “next time,” so it makes more sense for Obama to be the one to step aside.
(1) Which "team," exactly, would Obama allegedly be "taking one for" were he to concede his widely acknowledged front-runner status and deign to accept a Vice-Presidential offer from the candidate he's outpaced in terms of delegates since the very first contest of this primary? Surely not the Democratic Party -- again, insofar as he's won more votes, more delegates, and more contests than his opponent. Surely not "progressives" insofar as both campaigns have readily conceded that both Senators are coming from highly comparable policy positions. The only conceivable "team" DS is referencing is the Clinton Campaign itself, and the fact this poster cannot muster the courage to articulate this realization only serves to underscore the delusional duplicity at work here. What, pray tell, does Senator Obama owe the Clinton family? Just about every arguably objective metric suggests that Obama would be a far stronger candidate in the general election. This primary season has been remarkable in many respects, but there's something awfully telling about the fact that, for instance, the Republicans crossing over to vote for Senator Clinton are doing so with malicious intent at the behest of that drug-addled gasbag Rush Limbaugh while those who cross over for Senator Obama do so because they genuinely want to see him elected. Those with brains are encouraged to draw their own conclusions, here. The rest of you are free to keep spitting Penn and Rove's talking points.
(2) Setting aside the fact this poster fails (in the excerpt provided by Josh) to present a single reason why Obama is ostensibly more qualified to be Vice-President than President, the record suggests that, if anything, Obama is eminently more qualified than Senator Clinton to be President. While he may not have dodged intentionally imaginary sniper fire in Bosnia, Obama's personal, professional, academic and political trackrecords all suggest that he is the far more qualified candidate in this race. Coupled with the fact (see above) that he has bested Senator Clinton in the primary contests to-date by virtue of running a vastly superior campaign means that any reasonable and charitable observer would be -- at best -- left scratching their heads at the suggestion that Obama ought accept a VP spot on a Clinton ticket. Reading one's two-term tenure as First Lady as presidential "experience" or "qualification" leads to the nauseating conclusion that Laura Bush is qualified to be Commander-in-Chief. I highly doubt any Democrat would agree with that conclusion, Clinton-backer or otherwise. Why else, really, would Senator Clinton feel obligated to exaggerate, misrepresent, indeed distort her resume as First Lady? It's because she, more than anyone, knows that the checks drafted by her primary rhetoric simply can't be cashed by the bank of reality. Her multiple obfuscations of her record on the campaign trail only serve to underscore this point. I'm no political genius, but I ceratinly would have refrained from advising anyone, and certainly not Clinton, to frame their entire campaign around the theme of "experience" before knowing damn sure that said candidate had the genuine experience to back up so bold a claim when running against a decorated veteran with decades of Washington experience.
(3) While the original poster seems reluctant to concede that the current situation is hurting the party, there is simply no doubt that the only thing hurting the party at this point is the manner in which the Clinton campaign has deliberately chosen to attack a fellow Democrat. Examples abound, but all I need invoke is the deal-breaking Clintonian endorsement of our own damn opponent as more qualified to be commander-in-chief. There's knee-capping and then there's "knee-capping," but to explicitly suggest that the opposition party's nominee is more qualified than one's own fellow Democrat is a risible offense no figure-skating analogy could fully capture. This isn't Tonya Harding, folks; indeed, this is the political equivalent of a suicide bombing (i.e., "If I can't have it, then I'll make damn sure my fellow Democrat won't have it either!"). To deliberately set out to handicap the chances of the presumptive nominee of your very own party in light of the fact that you failed to secure a legal and honorable path to the nomination on your own merits is simply disgraceful. The ease with which the Clinton campaign and its surrogate-supporters have turned to echoing right-wing talking points would be disturbing if it weren't so sadly predictable at this point. Bill Clinton on Rush Limbaugh? Hillary Clinton slandering her Democratic colleague via Richard Scaife's joke of a news-rag? It's the Bush policy of "with-us-or-against-us" being bluntly applied without conscience to a promising member of one's own party. A member, I should add, who has been beating her since Day One of the Democratic primary season.
(4) I'm unsure why the poster believes Clinton "has no next time," but I also fail to grasp why any of us who care about the future of the party and the future of our nation should believe this is in any way relevant. I'm sorry Clinton squandered her perceived window of opportunity to run for president, but why in God's name is that any of our concern?










Comments (17)
Crap. I have no idea why my formatting mysteriously disappeared from this post, but if any powers-that-be would be so kind as to quote the lead paragraph and throw a few line-breaks in, I'd be eternally grateful.
March 30, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even w/out formatting and line breaks, Joe, this is a great response... Thanks for putting it so well!
March 30, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
You rant like Rush El-Pigbo.
March 30, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Coming from you I think this actually becomes a compliment.
March 31, 2008 6:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was with you right up until you said that you didn't understand how HRC doesn't have a next time. Her campaign is currently populated with nothing but the type of dead-enders that Rumsfeld alluded to under sadly different and more grave circumstances. This is her shot. She started with a wide-open field that was hers for the taking. She just didn't expect such a strong challenge from the distinguished gentleman from Illinois.
What I don't understand is this: If it takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush, as Hillary so eloquently put it (did her feminist backers shudder at that line?), why didn't she do everything in her power to make sure that Bush II suffered the same one-term fate to which her husband consigned H.W.? Where was her fight then? Where was her political courage? If her time in the White House was so formative, and if she realized that her Iraq vote was a mistake, and if her experience was so significant as to make her the best person for the job, why wasn't she ready in 2004? The answer is simple: She isn't courageous. She isn't the fighter she pretends to be. She isn't any tougher now than she was then. She's nothing more than the type of selfish, self-interested party that Barack Obama is running to sweep off the national stage.
March 30, 2008 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've read a number of your posts here at TPM and with each one, I come away with the same question. Was stupidity considered to be a virtue in your family? If so, that would explain it. If not and you really are an Obama supporter, why do you choose to be, functionally at least, a republican?
Your posts are constructed to offend about half of the Dem base which you would need to even have a shot at beating McCain. You're sealing his electoral coffin in March.
Enjoy the concession speech. If you're lucky, it'll make the hair on the back of your neck stand up.
March 30, 2008 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
While I appreciate your ill-founded assumption that anything little old me happens to post on the internet will influence any particular voter one way or another, I feel obligated to correct your assumptions about my political commitments and my upbringing. This is what happens when you "ass-u-me," as my dear father used to say. If you can't follow, I'd be happy to spell out the implications of that particular colloquialism.
Before I do so, I invite you to review my two blog posts on TPM, thereby giving you an opportunity to rethink your superficial caricature before making a total fool of yourself, intentionally or otherwise:
1 - http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/ds-bs.php
2 - http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/obamas-arrogance.php
My personal politics are far, far left of the Democratic mainstream. I was raised by two brilliant left-leaning Roman Catholics of the liberation theology branch of said church. I'm a professor and an attorney, a musician and an artist. While I ordinarily wouldn't give two shits about what you happen to think of me, I'd hate for you to sleep easy tonight on the assumption that I'm (of all godforsaken things) a Republican.
If you have the aptitiude or the ability to respond to my posts with substantial critique, then fire away. As it stands, though, the sort of empty attack you've just lobbed is emblematic of the Clinton campaign and its mendacious, underhanded tactics. In my two blog posts to-date I've tried to make the case that backing Clinton is a recipe for disaster. If you happen to disagree, I'd love to hear your reasons. And yet, all you've proferred is a vague character assassination. So far as I know. That's awfully telling, son.
If you still labor under the assumption that I'm "stupid," then I'd request you inform the admissions office of Harvard Law School, because if so they made a terrible mistake. Defend your candidate all you want, but if you're just going to wallow in the "anger" stage of your primary grief, do us all a favor and take it elsewhere.
March 30, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe...pretend with somebody who cares about your posturing. Chances are, I'm older than your dad...the Roman Catholic liberation theologist, whatever that means.
You guys screwed the pooch early on. Live with the pooch. It's the bed you made. After you hear the concession speech from Barack!, drink a toast to President John Sidney McCain III. You made it all possible.
March 31, 2008 3:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, if I had any idea what you were trying to communicate, I'd be happy to respond. As it stands, you seem to be missing a verb, a noun, and a brain. Thanks for responding to the substance of my reply, troll.
March 31, 2008 3:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think he confused you with "Rocky Balboa".
And you're right, your Harvard experience makes you much more verbose. How could he confuse the two?
March 31, 2008 4:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that yet again you fail to respond to a single point of substance in your reply. Does that get tiring? I mean, don't you (at least theoretically) enjoy discussing policy and politics? I guess not. Have fun with the snark, you guys. We'll see you in November, indeed.
March 31, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indiex posted this?? Indiex??
Pot, meet kettle.
March 30, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indiex, your continuing rants about "half" the Democratic base are not factually true. With the possible exception of angry old white women, Obama has the support of the Democratic base as demonstrated in primary after primary and caucus after caucus.
March 31, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
...Obama has the support of the Democratic base as demonstrated in primary after primary and caucus after caucus.
Then he's certainly got the 2025 delegates necessary for the nomination, right?
March 31, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Got that Democratic base locked up, does he?
April 1, 2008 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ouch. Score one for Joe.
March 30, 2008 11:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd say score 3 or 4....
March 31, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
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