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Clinton Leaves Unpaid Bills Across Country
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9259.html
In an interesting little article it is revealed that Hillary Clinton is leaving a sea of unpaid bills all across the country. There are businesses sitting high and dry in multiple states who can not collect payment for services and products Clinton used during her failed attempt to secure the Democratic nomination for President.
Is the same attention she planned to pay attention to small businesses if she had been able to steal the nomination from the rightful winner?
Is this the same economic technique she would have used if she had been able to fool the superdelegates to overturn the will of the people? Using but not paying? Good Policy!
Reason #9,157 why Hillary Clinton could never be a good President.
Comments (63)
see.... Hillzilla really IS Bush lite.
March 30, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
thanks for bringing this to our attention.
you might actually win over some of her supporters if you used less snark, and formulated a reasoned, civil, and devastating moral critique of this conduct.
March 30, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
As if they really care . . .
March 30, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow...here's another one:
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080213/NEWS/80213011
March 31, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
To be fair, I believe that Clinton uses a third party to take care of vendors. It sounds like this third party does a bad job of taking care of her bills. Its up to the voter to decide how much culpability she has in this. I think that if left unchecked, this type of behavior could sink her campaign.
March 30, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Key here is that, if she HAD been paying her bills, she would have no cash in hand.
As far as they're concerned, it seems it's being either debt or not being able to run a campaign. No good choices...
March 30, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
But one is fiscally responsible.
On the other hand, if approached by the Clinton Campaign, as a business owner, I would demand payment up front -- just as you would with a low FICO score.
Perhaps it will be the business owners refusing to do things on credit that will finally send the message to HRC.
March 30, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well Maggie can get them a subprime loan!
March 30, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
But according to HRC, using an outside vendor doesn't matter - you're responsible for micro-managing all your people to make sure the job gets done:
I think it says a lot that the candidate who is aware that his weakness is managing pieces of paper, and as a result has a very well-trained staff who takes care of those details, whereas, the candidate who claimed to have utter mastery over the details is the one trailing debts across the country.
So, either she's taking advantage of small businesses without a thought to the consequences, or she's a lousy at properly delegating tasks and following up on them (which she claims is her strength). I don't think it would be SUCH an issue except that this is just another one of her self-proclaimed strengths that either isn't true or isn't that strong.
March 31, 2008 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Has anyone seen estimates of the March fund-raising totals for the Clinton and Obama campaigns? Clinton's February total was inflated by her $5M loan and the $10M transfer from her Senate campaign fund - maneuvers she probably won't repeat in March.
One of the interesting things in the Noonan WSJ piece was her description of a Clinton fundraiser she attended recently. She had purchased a cheap balcony seat, but balcony seat holders were ushered down to the main floor seats before the event started so it wouldn't be apparent that the Campaign couldn't sell the high $ seats. How long Clinton remains in the race could be determined by funding as much as other concerns.
March 30, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
The LA Times story that is the source of this claim that Hillary's February totals should be reduced by $15 million is a bit confusing, but I think pretty clearly says Clinton's TOTAL fundraising (not her February numbers) include the $10 million from her Senate funds and the $5 million loan. Seems to me the loan was clearly reported to have been made in January.
March 31, 2008 6:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Some fundraising figures:
"Obama has received contributions from more than 1 million donors. He raised $91 million in the first two months of 2008 alone, most of it in small amounts over the Internet."
"Obama's online investment has not come cheap. In January, he spent $768,000 on Web ads, while Clinton spent $171,000 and McCain spent $151,000, campaign finance records show. In February, when Obama spent $2.6 million on ads, Clinton spent $198,000 and McCain spent $111,000."
"Obama's take via the Internet in January and February has dwarfed those of his rivals. Clinton raised $37 million online; McCain raised $22 million overall but has not said how much of that came in online."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/27/AR2008032702968.html?nav=hcmodule
March 30, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fascinating. Thanks for the link Astral. I had been wondering about the cost of all those internet ads. They're everywhere. Good return on investment, huh?
March 30, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is another great link where you can compare and contrast the candidates income and expenditures. You can even break down expenditures into catagories.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp
The one I especially like is the breakdown of the refunds Hillary has had to pay out to donors.
Remember that story a while back about a supporter on her finance committee being multiply charged on her VISA? To the tune of $5800 bucks?
Check out the listing Callahan, Kathy
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/expend_detail.asp?ID=N00000019&cycle=2008&code=R90&Page=5
The only way she got her money back was to file a police report claiming fraud for the Clinton Campaign to give her back the money?
http://www.bluejersey.com/userDiary.do;jsessionid=428F98B347F7379135E5106667ED7618?personId=900
It looks like they have had to refund quite a bit of that kind of dough to multiple supporters. Kind of makes you wonder if Hillary kept money people did not make a stink about. Hmmmm....
March 31, 2008 2:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Finally Fox News has someone to blame for the financial crisis!
March 30, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let the Good Times Roll!
March 30, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just got this!! Hahaha!
March 30, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I sure hope you (whomever "you" may be) think about what is going to happen if we pull our troops out of Iraq?
Have you ever thought, all politics aside, isn't better, for the US, that we fight these people who want to kill just about everybody, in somebody else's backyard? They came here and we all know what did. Please just think about this, these people don't give a flying flip about us . Keep them busy over "there"!
It seems to me Obama has no idea just bring out troops home he, seems to me, not to understand why they are there and Hillary knows but she also knows she wants votes and, in my opinion, she wants votes over everything else. She wants to be president no matter what! This is not a good thing for the american people. Sorry but I am not getting into the Dem vs Rep battle on this one.
In this case my butt and that of my family and friends is more important!!!
Thanks
March 30, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
As with everything, her campaign and, therefore, the MSM, tend to stop at the soundbite that she'll bring the troops back in 60 days. What they don't say is that she goes on to explain that she'll start bringing them home in 60 days. However much she pounds the table, even she can't promise to have them all on a carrier on March 20th.
March 30, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope, she'll meet with her advisors and ask that they FORMULATE A PLAN within 60 days. She has no idea what that plan would be. Or who the advisors might be. SHE HAS NO WITHDRAWAL PLAN! She has give NO speech on Iraq and international relations in the middle east that shows ANY understanding of the complex issues going on in Iraq currently.
Her campaign did a real good job spinning her as the "foreign relations candidate" when she has no understanding of the subject.
March 31, 2008 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
"In this case my butt and that of my family and friends is more important!!!"
I value everybody's butts just as much, but I disagree with you.
March 30, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
As Genghis has pointed out, I feel like having a beer with you.
March 30, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Suddenly, I feel like having a beer with Ric Ocasek.
March 30, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're in luck-- I hear there is going to be a Real Fake New Cars reunion for TPMCon2009.
March 30, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like just what I needed.
March 31, 2008 12:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have a question about finance laws. First I confess I was at the Marsh the other night, just reading comments for a laugh. Anyway one woman has maxed out her contributions and she had another woman set up an ebay auction that she intended to win. In various comments they were encouraging others to go bid to drive up the price with the assurance that they would not get stuck paying. Anyway the final bid was around 700.00 and the woman that ran the auction donated the money to the Clinton campaign. Is this legal?
March 30, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would guess not, since it is from someone else's funds. Maybe send the link to the FEC and ask : )
March 30, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, FEC's closed until 2009.
March 30, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary isn't paying for her employee's health care premiums either. How long do you think you'd have your policy if your employer didn't pay your premiums? She owes Aetna $228,841.30 and CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield $62,744.52. Tell me how she gets away with this and expects to bring us universal health care when she owes these debts.
March 30, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could you (or anybody) please give source for this information? Would appreciate. Thanks.
March 30, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Check here Aunt Sam:
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M3/C00431569/D_DEBTS_C00431569.html
March 30, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was looking at the "debts by vendor" list, and was wondering why some of them have totals of 0.00
Does that mean they do or do not owe those people money? And if it means they do not owe, why list it?
March 30, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whoa, $7,200 to LEXIS NEXIS? Geez, woman, show some fiscal responsibility and get a library card. You can get that shit for free...
March 30, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, you can't get Lexis/Nexis at the library (at least not any public library I've ever seen). Some university libraries have accounts but it's very expensive. Largely, it's a service news agencies (Nexis) and lawyers (Lexis) use. $7k isn't all that much, given how effing expensive it is.
March 31, 2008 1:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really? I guess you get spoiled working for a university - we get access to all of it (lexis and nexis)for the low, low price of nothing.
March 31, 2008 8:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. Wonder why CNN, FOX, MSNBC and network as well as radio and print media aren't really ranting about this....someone should. This is a disgrace - and she wants us to trust her with our nation's economy? Incredible. The woman has a set!
March 31, 2008 2:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fareplay - Did you ever think that just because we're in Iraq fighting Iraqis, it does nothing to stop another 18 Saudi Arabians from coming over here and committing another terrorist attack?
Do you really think that a war stops terrorists? You need a remedial reasoning course. It's just silly. In the first place, there is hardly any terrorist threat. Every American stands a 19% better chance of being struck by lightning than by dying in a terrorist attack.
The odds are enormous against it. The "threat" is a lie. Try to think about it just a bit more. You leave a whole line of reasoning out when you argue that silly: fight them over there so they won't come here. They aren't soldiers, darlin, they are terrorists.
March 30, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not interested in reporting anyone, I was just curious. I was amazed at what some of her supporters were doing in order to answer Senator Clinton's pleas for money. Some of them were just sad.
March 30, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did it occur to you that they're fighting us there because we're fighting them there? We are occupiers in their country. If they pose such a great threat to us here in America, why in all these years since 9/11 hasn't a single terrorist blown himself up in a shopping mall or exploded an IED alongside a busy freeway during rush hour? Could it be that Bush's "they want to kill us all" isn't true?
Certainly, we have to keep our guard up for terrorist plots. To assume that if we leave Iraq that America will be overrun by terrorists is folly.
If a foreign army was patrolling my street and my innocent neighbors were getting killed, believe me, I'd be involved in an insurgency also. Our presence compounds the problem. We can't just pull out, obviously. But we do need a president with a brain who can dig into the morass we've created to come up with some sort of coherent strategy.
March 30, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
This sounds right to me, but I still won't risk setting foot in a TJ Maxx.
March 30, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah..but according to Hillary the terrorist threat to America's homeland is closely tied to our elections:
"I don't think it was by accident that al-Qaeda decided to test the new prime minister immediately."
She was referring to how 1 day after Gordon Brown took office in Great Britain there were failed attempts at double bombings in Glasgow and Scotland. Then went on to make this dubious, fear mongering analogy:
"They watch our elections as closely as we do, maybe more than some of our fellows citizens do. They play, you know, our allies. They try to undermine security in the world. So let's not forget you're hiring a president not just to do what a candidate says during the election, you want a president to be there when the chips are down."
In other words, the terrorists will surely attack us if a "less experienced" president is elected. So vote for Senator Obama if you want the evildoers to kill us all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BB4Vvgn_4k
March 31, 2008 2:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
She came down to our little town last month (uninvited)and was seen climbing out the window of the Days In when they left. And it’s only aneedotal but I heard that rat James Carville ran innerference for a dine and dash at Denny’s!
March 30, 2008 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, maybe I've found the ONE reason to vote for Hillary...we have the same credit score.
March 30, 2008 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
We've all had that 3AM phone call from creditors... yes, yes now I am starting to identify!
March 30, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy Crap, that's hilarious.
NARRATOR:It's 3am in the Whitehouse and a phone is ringing.
HRC: Hello? Jesus, what time is it?
CALLER: Four hundred, thirty seven bucks.
HRC: What? Who is this? Bill, wake up, this must be for you...
CALLER: You owe us $437 and we're tired of waiting.
HRC: Listen, pal, I dodged snipers more menacing than you. You'll get your money when I say so and not a moment before.
CALLER: Listen, lady, you can run but you can't --
HRC: And thanks for voting Hillary '08! >
March 31, 2008 1:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was going to post the link and story, amazing actually; if she were in the black and running a "beat a dead horse" campaign well then that is her perrogative. But if she is in debt she should not behave like bankrupt wall street executive buddies as they screw the small guy and then go belly-up with the bills.
Think Bear Stearns...
You would think that Hillary would correct this mistake, but then again she is disconnected.
March 30, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw something in response to another post suggesting that HRC may be continuing on with her campaign because M.Penn and other debtors want to be paid and that's the only way to keep money coming in: no more donations after a withdrawal. It didn't make a lot of sense (still doesn't) but I guess if that "magic" hits and she becomes the nominee then the financial picture would change. But if she doesn't grab the brass ring, how is continuing the campaign going to help the creditors? Looks like it would jsut put her further in debt? -------- I'm appalled by the story and the fact that she is "stiffing" smaller businesses along the way. (Okay by me if she wants to "stiff" Penn ..... since I think he doesn't deserve a dime for the 'good advice' he's given her.)
March 30, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is exactly why we need HRC to fix our economic woes. I'm sure she has the answers.
March 30, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. It's so uncool to delay payments to small businesses, individuals, and non-profits. They often don't have enough padding in their cashflow to absorb extended delays.
Small businesses often see an account like a big-time political campaign as a huge break, and these folks probably thought Senator Clinton was a safe credit risk. Maybe some national publicity will shame Clinton's campaign into sending prompt payments and apologies.
This kind of situation often ruins small businesses.
March 30, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed it does. I hope all small business owners get the point by now and do not forward HRC any money or credit.
And another example of HRC trampling on other people to achieve her selfish goal. I wonder if someone will finally see that this makes her part of the problem... the first part of a solution is to not do harm yourself!
March 30, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously uncool. I can imagine bragging that I got the big HRC contract, and blowing off everything to make sure I got the big one right. And now, I really gotta eat, buy supplies, pay rent-- and I can't. This is pretty low.
March 30, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe she'll be addressing this in her next "Solutions for America" stump speech.
March 31, 2008 12:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know, Obama is raking in so much money right now that he literally can't seem to spend it all. He managed to use about half of the $55 million he raised in February.
So I was thinking: what if he stepped in to pay Hillary's outstanding bills? Wouldn't that be great?
Although maybe he should wait until she drops out of the race first.
March 30, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think he should publicly offer to loan her money to cover all the bills she's delinquent on. He can come across as magnanimous at the same time as pointing out how pathetically she's handling her campaign finances. Perhaps he could announce that five cents of every dollar donated to his campaign will be donated to help Hillary Clinton's campaign.
March 31, 2008 1:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was thinking that, too. But you know what Hill-bots would say:
"That is a typical, overbearing male behavior! Like some guy ordering for you at a restaurant. Excuse me! I know whether I want to order the veal scallopine or not. So don't order for me and don't go behind my back and pay my bills, either! The arrogance of Obama, thinking he can buy respectability! How insulting!"
He is better off letting her stew in her own juice.
March 31, 2008 8:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
What this says to me:
Hillary is singlehandedly destroying the economy of every state she campaigns in.
March 30, 2008 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shame on you Sen. Clinton!
March 30, 2008 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
New Hillary slogans:
"Ready to destroy your economy on day one!"
"When that phone rings at 3am, I might not answer because it might be a bill collector. Roll the dice on that!"
*on a side note, this site asks for login requests way too many times.
March 31, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hahaaha!!! Hillary Clinton: Ready To Avoid The Nation's Creditors On Day One, Hour Three
(By Pretending To Do An Answering Machine Voice, And Making A Beeping Noise, Waiting To Hear From The Creditors How Many Days We Have Left To Live, Then Feverishly Packing In The Middle Of The Night, And Moving The Nation To Newark, To Live With Our Sister, Just Until Things Get Sorted Out, And Taking An Assumed Name).
Could I make a suggestion? Changing our name from The United States Of America to The East Central Wildcats. I could also take a paper route, if needed.
March 31, 2008 5:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
This was supposed to be @ SiriusA.
March 31, 2008 5:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
This line cracked me up:
"One even got no response from a certified letter."
Oooooooh, a certified letter! How scary!
March 31, 2008 6:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ummm, certified letters actually are kind of scary. They represent the last-ditch effort to solve the issue between two individuals, and a non-response means that the collector can take legal action. I, personally, am looking forward to the first (of many) lawsuit(s).
And while I like the idea of Obama paying off her bills, I do agree that he should wait until she drops out. I would be seriously peeved if my Obama donation went to help bail her out of a crisis brought on herself.
Stef*
*also willing to take a paper route if needed.
March 31, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's pretty disgusting to see how much it costs to become President! They should be all allowed XX amount of $$$ and then maybe the best man would win - not the one with the most $$$. ( I'm dreaming aren't I ?)
March 31, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
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