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Clinton Camp darkens Obama's skin in Ad

The Clinton camp is being accused of darkening Obama’s skin in this ad. Looks darker to me. What do you guys think???


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The Clinton camp is being accused of darkening Obama’s skin in this ad. Looks darker to me. What do you guys think???

Here is the address cut out of the post just for you.

http://www.americablog.com/2008/03/why-is-obamas-skin-blacker-than-normal.html

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You are correct, I saw the same thing and also they tried to pick a not so flattering shot. But that's what you can expect from Republicans with integrity and Republicans (Hillary) posing as Democrats.

I think this is a ludicrous or at best paranoid anti-Clinton smear.

There's a better picture here.

I suppose all politicians do this sort of thing with all ads -- picking unflattering shots and darkening the entire image to make it look more nefarious. Maybe the article is over-sensitive.

Your too kind, destor. The echo chamber has all gone crazy as loons with Hillary Derangement Syndrome.
As if a small adjustment in tone of skin is going to affect a single racist vote already out there,
for cyring out loud, the man is proudly black and not trying to "pass" or something,
And not only that, I can bet them his skin will darken in the summer, who the heck are they going to blame then?
Same kind of derangement mindset thought drawing cartoons of Bush as a chimp
or GoogleBombs about "miserable failure" was going to affect votes in 2004! Clueless insular netizens.
Who knows, there might be some loony kid just like them in Hillary's campaign darkening the ads,
just as there was a loony clueless kid in the Obama campaign who hung a Che Guevera flag
behind his desk in some minor office. Ain't going to make a lick of difference, the Che flag isn't going to change a single mind not made up already, either.
won't change a single vote. Derangement.

I think you're right artappraiser. Can't believe this ludicrous accusation is the most recommended post on TPMCafe right now. Paranoia and derangement seem to rule here lately.

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Note that it's on front-page on Kos, sourced from FOX NEWS.

Funny how the left-wing blogs are using the right-wing sites to smear Clinton. First it was Drudge, now it is FOX.

I love a good anti-Clinton smear, but this is clearly photoshop filtering, even his tie is darker. It's a Clinton smear tactic possibly, but noting anti-Clinton.

This could just be simple Photoshop incompetence. I'm just saying.

That's about as nasty as it gets. Barack's been OJ'd by a Democrat.

http://uglydemocrats.com/democrats/United-States/Hillary-Clinton/hillary-bill-clinton.jpg

They must strike back and use the pic of Clinton ! LOL!

HOLY CRAP! Warn someone won't you?

I agree, it freaked the $%#@^ out of me!! ((but I couldn't stop laughing..))

I can't believe that people actually believe this.

Well from what I have read on the DailyKos is that yes the add is darker, and yes sometimes in the past politicians have used tactics like this in campaigns, is this a sensative issue when one of the nominees is a person of darker skin color, I will let you be the judge. Let me say this though, I would imagine that high quality is what you want in a finished product, that does not mean sharp and clean necessairly as sometimes blurry or different kinds of lighting give a more emotional resonance with the audience. Whatver the case may be, I think it is deliberate, maybe not out of bounds but it worries me that Clinton would not care about the possible racial undertones? That said I think political correctness is over-rated, so my conclusion is that this is something that Clinton does not mind doing which is why I would not vote for her, unless its between her and Johnny McBush. And if this election or I should say nomination goes to Hillary then I will remain apathetic about Washington and the way that Clinton has gone about this campaign will always be with me.

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With Photoshop, anything is possible. And with the anti-Clinton zealots who are looking for any reason at all to get on Chris Matthews' good side, anything is possible.

Methinks you guys are trying to make chicken soup out of chicken s---.

it's exactly what one would expect from a Goldwater Girl...

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I keep having Hillary supporters challenge me on that one. I've seen it quoted several places, including here:

http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/special/forums/candidates/clinton.html

The president of her college Republican club I didn't know about, however.

They're all in denial. The level of group-think is truly intriguing. They are convinced that it is everyone else who is suffering from the very delusions with which they are afflicted.

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Yes, she was a Goldwater girl about the same time Obama was attending the Madrassa school and going to the mosque every weekend.

Heh, I just submitted this. Didn't see yours. I have a hard time believing this, and yet, she's been capable of the unbelievable so far.

I wouldn't put it past her campaign to do this, but you'd need a comparison shot of Hillary that has not been darkened in the same ad to really make this case...

Even if they were both darkened, it COULD be intentional... but they could just argue that the tone/brightness/contrast as innocently adjusted across the board. But if it was just the shots of him that were affected... wow, that would be impressively evil.

I find it more objectionable that the ad clearly attempts to smear Obama by massively distorting the truth. I guess that is just the more literal version of smearing Obama's face with a little photoshop filter.

If you knew nothing about the Senate or Obama you would think from this ad that he had personal jurisdiction over Afghanistan policy. In fact he heads a SUB-committee on Europe that could possibly review NATO policy toward Afghanistan, but just how is up for debate. problem is the ad never uses the words Europe or NATO. It says Obama is too busy (or lazy) to fight the bad guys in Afghanistan. That's a lie in some many ways and in some ways far worse thant he 3am phone call BS.

It appears levels were adjusted, but that could be for a lot of reasons and it could have been someone in a hurry using Auto Levels which in my experience has a tendency to enpurple everything. This level of editorial decision making is so far what is brought to the attention of candidates though that it's ludicrous to think Clinton had anything to do with it. In fact, this says more about the accusers than about Clinton - a desire to find fault and believe the worst that is neurotic at best....and base irresponsibility to make allegations without even the least bit of fact-checking. Was the entire run that color, or did it come off the press right around the time more ink needed to be added. The poster knows NOTHING about the issue but makes an allegation with almost no investigation.

If I were as irresponsible and malicious as the original poster, I would ask if Aravosis adjusted the levels on the photos himself in order to manufacture another attack on Clinton -- that is the level of absurdity the idiot-wing of the Obama camp has sunk to.

Pearl, I suggest you put that in the form of a question unless you want the world to think you are an irresponsible idiot.

I actually voted for HRC during the NY primary. I've been turned off of late.

By the way, I don't think there are any edit functions on posts. However, I'm sure you wouldn't suggest I do something that was not possible unless you were an irresponsible idiot. So can you please let me know how to go about editing so I can put a question mark on for you. Don't want to come off irresponsible and all.

"""What do you guys think???"""

Pearl: This isn't Jeopardy!, so IMHO, I think the 3 question marks in your post and the link to DailyKos just about absolves you of any "irresponsible idiocy." :)

Look at Pearl's headline. That was declarative allegation, not a question, but so typical of the all or nothing pigheaded childishness of the typical TPM Obama supporter. I like Obama fine, but his supporters taint him and his campaign. I am sick to death of it. I have sucked it up when my candidate has lost the primary time after time, but though it wouldn't be hard to work FOR obama's campaign, it would be hard to work WITH this bunch of whining babies. I have never seen such childish behavior among Democrats.

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That train seems to have left the station.

"Pearl, I suggest you put that in the form of a question unless you want the world to think you are an irresponsible idiot."

She did pose it in question form, so I guess that would invalidate your "idiot" remark?!

And.....it's quite obvious that the picture was doctored.

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This is idiotic. Those of you who found this story at the Church of Barack Obama (DailyKos) will notice, if you read the comments, that quite a few people are distancing themselves from both the story and DailyKos itself. It is this sort of thing that is destroying the last few shreds of credibility that Markos has left. Let's hope that doesn't happen here.

I've been more or less undecided between the canidates, but every word I read by Obama supporters drives me closer to supporting Senator Clinton. This bullshit story may be the last straw. Senator Obama may be relatively clean, but his supporters are right up there with Karl Rove. Good job, guys, you're destroying your own candidate. If the candidate is ANYTHING like his acolytes, he deserves to disappear from public life altogether - permanently.

I actually found it while over at Huff. I didn't think it was proper to repeat the arguments there, so I provided the link. Further, I said above that "I suppose all politicians do this sort of thing with all ads -- picking unflattering shots and darkening the entire image to make it look more nefarious."

I find it a bit surprising that a "more or less undecided voter" would find this "Rovian."

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I don't post reader blogs, so I don't know who writes the headlines. But I assume from what you are saying that you didn't write "Clinton Camp darkens Obama's skin in Ad." Because that's a pretty declarative statement. And please don't tell me that you are so naive that you didn't realize campaigns routinely use an unflattering picture of their opponent. As a matter of fact, Josh does it all the time with pictures of Hillary.

Not naive Chris, I created the title. If you read my original post I said, "It looks darker to me," hence the declarative title.

Do you think his skin is darker in the ad? Do you think "unflattering" and "darker" are one in the same?

Face it Pearl, you're now in the same boat as Chris Matthews and Dan Abrams. A member of the vast MSM conspiracy to give poor candidate Clinton a hard time... [Kidding of course... Your post was fine...]

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The color levels were adjusted - big deal. It's the whole image and not just Barack that's been darkened/purpled.

I'm sure if you look at some of Obama's adds he will appear brighter/redder, but it has nothing to do with him following in the steps of Michael Jackson.

This is good news, FOR VITILIGO SUFFERERS!

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So your position is that Clinton's campaign believes that America is only willing to vote for a light skinned African-American? And that there would be no repercussions in the Democratic primaries if they did darken his skin?

It is hard to imagine something more likely to backfire. I realize you neither like nor understand Hillary but do you really think that she or her campaign or Maggie Williams are that dumb?

Get a life!

What's so ridiculous is he looks that dark... in his own ad that runs right here on TPMCafe. This is absolutely the most ridiculous anti-Clinton smear ever posted on this site, and that's saying a lot.

I’m stunned and stupefied and utterly speechless that those evil Clinton imps would smear Obama in what is clearly a Photoshop doctored mock-up cut and paste hack job. It’s obvious to even an untrained eye that they’ve whitened Obama’s teeth in the photo. What are they trying to say? That he flosses? That he uses Canadian toothpaste?! Is this a racist cocaine smear because cocaine is white, too, just like HillBillary? This is the lowest politicians have ever stooped in the history of the modern universe.

In what seems to me another lifetime I was a trained professional photographer, and though I haven't worked in that for decades, I seem to remember that photographing black people was always quite ccomplicated. Any change in exposure or contrast affects skin color in people of all colors, but black people are very sensitive about this and like to appear as light skinned as possible. At school we were taught (I seem to remember) to use flat lighting and a very full exposure when photographing black people.

Bottom line:
If Hillary or McCain come out a little redder, yellower or grayer, no problem, but if Obama moves from latte to cocoa there is.

WHY THE CLINTONS WON'T BE RELEASING THEIR TAX RETURNS?...

http://thememlingindex.com/hillary_clinton_net_worth-wealth.html

Good Grief!!

One only has to compare the banner ad from the Obama campaign on the top of this very page to the ad on the right side to see that this is infantile. Is his campaign "purposely" making his skin several shades darker on the top ad and lightening it at the side? Well? Are they?

Honestly, can't you come up with a real issue to discuss?

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No, they can't.

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Wait - Obama is black?

Just when I thought the Obamabots couldn't get any more desperate.....

It's not that the picture as a whole was darkened. Look at the contrast between the skin tone and the white collar. In the reference shots, the photo with the whitest collar has the lightest skin tone. In the Clinton ad, the collar is very white, while the skin tone is very dark. So the skin tone was selectively darkened.

As a campaign tactic by a Democratic candidate, this a deal breaker for me, as was Clinton's "endorsement" of McCain over Obama.

I voted for Edwards in my state, and haven't had to chose between Clinton and Obama. But if I did, I would now choose Obama, looking to the future strength of the Democratic Party and what it represents.

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And what would be the point of darkening his skin? How would that help the Clinton campaign?

As an advanced Photoshop user, I can say, fairly confidently, that the photo has what's called increased contrast. That makes light tones lighter (for example, his shirt whiter) and all dark tones darker. You'll recall a similar trick was used on Time magazine's cover photo of OJ Simpson after he murdered his wife and her friend. At that time there was a large outcry from the public accusing Time Magazine of playing the race card. Time and the artist, Mark Mahune (I'm sure I've misspelled his last name) as I recall, apologized.

Thank you paxman! I knew there was an example from the past that got quite a bit of attention at the time, but couldn't remember what it was.

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Paxman,

Thanks for shedding additional light on this, but I think the OJ example was MUCH worse than this. That photo was doctored locally -- TIME darkened his skin specifically AND added more contrast -- meaning it was definitely deliberate and done to make him look blacker. This photo looks like it was adjusted globally -- just more contrast overall -- meaning it could easily have happened unintentionally while changing file formats or just done to create a "heavier" mood without any thought to making Obama look darker skinned.

Comparing this to the famously egregious OJ photo doctoring which caused Time to issue a very public apology isn't fair to HRC. Blame her for her ridiculous plagiarism attacks or for the "slum lord" nonsense, but this is the equivalent of picking an unflattering photo of your opponent to show in your ads, which almost every candidate has done since elections began.

Throughout the thread of discussions about negative tactics by the Clinton campaign, I hear the legalistic argument that "She didn't do it, and it was an acceptable tactic for her to use." (I didn't borrow the cup, and it was in one piece when I brought it back.) In each case, she did do it, and it's not okay with me. Tactics that weaken the party, discourage new voters, and make a win in November less likely are not okay with me.

To explain the broken cup reference:

A man borrowed a cup from his neighbor. He broke the cup, then sneaked into his neighbor's house to return it. When his neighbor complained, the man said "I never borrowed the cup. When I borrowed the cup, it was already broken. The cup was, moreover, in perfect condition when I brought it back."

So what I'm hearing, across topics, is an overall pincer response that Clinton did not use negative tactics AND that it is okay that she used these tactics.

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This is nitpicking in the extreme.

I'm a professional photographer (and Obama supporter) and it looks to me like all that was done to the photo was to increase the contrast (blacks are blacker, whites are whiter) The photos you show for comparison are very low contrast. A boost in contrast isn't even necessarily intentional, it can happen just by changing image formats. Contrast is also different on every TV and computer monitor. The ideal contrast for this image is somewhere in between yours and theirs. I'm sorry, but to accuse Hillary of race-baiting because she boosted the contrast in an image is to venture into loony-land.

Hope your enjoying the trip!

Well "advanced photoshop user.""

It's quite obvious to me that the "lighting effects" spotlight was put on that photo, see the text next to the photo? It's the spotlight, all right. Adds contrast, darkens the edges and lightens the middle.

{gasp}

This just goes to show that graphic designers are evil people.

Oh wait, I'm a.....

Nevermind. It's appalling that there re two threads devoted to this drivel.

Having worked on "hit pieces" for political campaigns, I don't think there's anything to this. you pick a bad picture of the opponent and make them look evil and/or dumb.

But it does show the fine line you must walk with a candidate of color when photoshopping. I think it shows the inexperience of the graphic designer rather than anything intentional on the part of Hillary's campaign

Obama clearly appears darker in the add. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but I think the effect desired (if intentional) was merely to cause the picture to become more unflattering. Simply darker does not necessarily mean unflattering, but the purpling (making up words, sorry) and blurring in the image adds a dodgy or unsavory element to it. It takes away the warm human quality of the photo. It's a slimeball move, but nothing new and not necessarily racist in my eyes. For all we know, Clinton may prefer to be viewed under that contrast, although I reserve serious doubts.

I think questioning it is appropriate, but to claim an outright racist attack from the Clinton camp is borderline paranoia. This is coming from a pretty staunch Obama supporter. It's not even in the same league as the fearmongering attempt with the traditional Somali garb. The ad as a whole is distasteful in my opinion, but like many others posting on this page from both camps, I don't buy into the allegedly deliberate attempt to inject race again in this instance.

It's a pure and simple attempt to use racism for political gain. Which is not, by any means, acceptable. Hillary, and those supporters who approve of this, are contemptable. It seems increasingly clear to me that she knows she can't beat Obama this time around but hopes to injure him enough that McCain will win and she can run again in 2008 as ready to be the savior of the party. She's lost my vote, permanently, and under any circumstances. I simply can't hold my nose and support someone who trys to win by relying on racism. She's now full throttle into the same tactics that led me to take down my Hillary sign this past fall and switch it for one for Obama.

Quoting ( I hope, as I don't remember how this works) Economides excellent point from above in this thread, the larger point is that more than the photo was distorted. The ad attempts to sway voters based on misinformation. I don't want the nominee of the Democratic Party to be selected based on misinformation.

I find it more objectionable that the ad clearly attempts to smear Obama by massively distorting the truth. I guess that is just the more literal version of smearing Obama's face with a little photoshop filter.

If you knew nothing about the Senate or Obama you would think from this ad that he had personal jurisdiction over Afghanistan policy. In fact he heads a SUB-committee on Europe that could possibly review NATO policy toward Afghanistan, but just how is up for debate. problem is the ad never uses the words Europe or NATO. It says Obama is too busy (or lazy) to fight the bad guys in Afghanistan. That's a lie in some many ways and in some ways far worse thant he 3am phone call BS.

...sorry, that didn't work. The last 2 paragraphs should have been indented and quoted as Economide's posting. We're not talking about a single tactic here - photoshopping - but Clinton's overall strategy of swaying voters by distortion and appeals to racism.

Are there plans for the preview function to return? Where, by the way, is the "tracker" link?

Why did this post drop off the front page so fast, and - without the Tracker - how do we relocate posts that drop off the front page. I was able to find this one by going to my profile and linking from there, but if I hadn't posted that option wouldn't have been available. There's probably a place to go for these types of questions, but I haven't found it yet.

Testing: a second attempt to quote Economide's post from above:


"I find it more objectionable that the ad clearly attempts to smear Obama by massively distorting the truth. I guess that is just the more literal version of smearing Obama's face with a little photoshop filter.

If you knew nothing about the Senate or Obama you would think from this ad that he had personal jurisdiction over Afghanistan policy. In fact he heads a SUB-committee on Europe that could possibly review NATO policy toward Afghanistan, but just how is up for debate. problem is the ad never uses the words Europe or NATO. It says Obama is too busy (or lazy) to fight the bad guys in Afghanistan. That's a lie in so many ways and in some ways far worse thant he 3am phone call BS."

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