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Barack *is* a Law Professor: Clinton Smears Continue Unfounded

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I am currently sitting in the middle of a conference of academics.  The terms lecturer, senior lecturer, assistant professor, and associate professor, to name just a few, all mean very particular things to us.  Is it a tenure-track position? Is it tenured? Do you get a three year or indefinite contract? Visiting or permanent? Spousal Hires?
This is pretty much why we're here, so we can go out on the market and hopefully attach a meaningful title in front of our names. 
I also have to confess that I have unique knowledge of this situation for a second reason--I both go to school and work at the University of Chicago, so I know whereof I speak.  
Hillary's campaign has called out Obama because even though he claims to be a former professor of law he was in fact merely a "lecturer".  The release ominously ends with "details matter". 
Damn straight they do.  And they've got them wrong. 
Obama was a "Senior Lecturer" not a Professor of Law. That part is technically correct, but like most things with their campaign it misses the actual point.  When you look up the faculty of the law school--a group that is exclusive of fellows and lecturers and all other sort of hangers-on who are not professors--all of the Senior Lecturers are included.
There are senior lecturers in nearly every university around the country, but at Chicago I can say with some authority that they are considered to be "professors". After all, what else would you call them? They're not fellows or mere lecturers hired to fill in on some classes.  They certainly are, most importantly, part of the faculty.  Further complicating mattters, in law school it doesn't appear that they have assistant (untenured), associate (tenured), and full professors (tenured plus).  So there are fewer titles around the term professor to make distinctions around.
In my experience, the term "Senior Lecturer" is meant to differentiate full members of the faculty from other full members of the faculty with tenure. 
That's it.  That's all.  They teach, in this case law, just as authoritatively as any other member of the faculty.
There's one last irksome detail.  Richard A. Posner? Legal icon, you might have heard of him? The one with about ten (no exaggeration) honorary doctorates?  He still does not possess the professor title.  
He's a Senior Lecturer.  Still.  I highly doubt anyone could credibly argue that he's not a law professor.  
The Clinton campaign should be embarrassed that it's stooping to such minutia to attack with.   Especially considering they're wrong.


Comments (70)

Ben Smith is up with a statement from the Law School. I didn't realize that they'd invited Obama to become a full-time, tenured track prof several times.

With Bush having shredded the Constit six ways from Sunday, it is good news that the Democrats will have a nominee, a Con Law prof ready from Day 1 so to speak

And.... this is where it strongly backfires for the Clinton campaign. Most people I've talked to didn't know he ever even claimed to be a professor of law. Now they not only know that he was a professor of law, but of constitutional law, and very highly regarded at that!

Thanks Team Clinton!!

Ben, sometimes your concision really impresses me!

To call oneself a physician is illegal, unless you are an M.D. To call oneself a psychologist, in some states, is also illegal, unless you are licensed.

"Professor" is an honorific. It is not a title that is regulated by law. Students generally call a teacher a "Professor." Even when retired, college teachers are often called "Professor."

This attack is silly and baseless. It is a reflection on its attackers, not on Senator Obama.

Find, a Con Law Adjunct Professor if that's what you want. Someone invited me to be Lord of the Universe, but I chose not too, so I still can't use the title.

U of Chicago may say a "Senior Lecturer" is an "Adjunct Professor", but all it means is he taught 3 classes a year, nothing more.

And note in U of Chicago's 2004 press release on Obama winning the US Senate, it used the "Senior Lecturer" tag. Exactly why doesn't Obama use this tag as well? Remember when Obama exaggerated his "international business" job with his "secretary pool" or "own secretary"? (the company had a single secretary for the President, and the article explains how else he embellishes. If he's misunderstood, it's his own damn fault.

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Your last sentence is the main point. If this is what they've got left to work with, things are grim for them indeed.

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This has been confirmed in a statement by the University of Chicago today. God know where I saw it, or I'd link it. I'll try to find it.

Clinton lies again. "Details matter?" Man, she has guts, she really does.

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Thanks, Chris, for explaining the titles of those teaching law at the University of Chicago. It's good to know that the Obama campaign has this straight. It's regrettable that the Clinton campaign flunked Research 101.

For those of you who missed all the fun earlier, here's the entire statement from the University of Chicago School of Law:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/university-of-chicago-law-scho.php

plus some other general jackassery...

hey, really enjoyed all of the jackassery!

It's what we're all here for, isn't it?

I'll just say that I wouldn't shy away from it.

It's unlikely that anyone doubts this.

This is probably a bad idea, but I'm taking you to court! This isn't a Clinton lie.

At best, it's the Clinton camp picking at straws. But technically correct.

But I won't dare sue a room full of lawyers.

Btw, Obama is no Posner. He probably isn't even Posner Jr., who actually is a Professor of Law at Chicago.

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Please read the news release from the University of Chicago stating that Senior Lecturers ARE in fact considered professors of law at the University of Chicago. (There's a link in one of the posts above)

It's just another name for the same thing. And I think the Univ. gets to be the final authority on what their titles mean.

I read all of the releases. And I did some snooping around. The statement from the school, the TPM posts, and U. of Chicago website.

The statement from the school and every following post is careful not to give Obama the title (position) of Professor of Law. Thats because Professor of Law was not Obama's position. His position is that of a Senior Lecturer.

There's a difference between having the title of Professor and having the rank of Professor.

Yes there is. On your resume it says Senior Lecturer and not Professor.

Dude, if you're in academia this debate sounds extraordinarily foolish. Let me see if I can find an analogy. It's kind of like saying "He claimed to be an officer, when he is in fact only a brigadier general!"

"Professor" is both a generic term for what we do, and the name of a particular rank. But its rank-meaning is very specialized and poorly understood outside of academia. E.g., on my resume, I'm an "Associate Professor." If I said just "Professor" on the resume, that would be a different rank.

But as the word is used in ordinary parlance, Barack Obama and I are both professors. And his position at Chicago was arguably more prestigious than mine, inasmuch as you have to have some special experience for Chicago to hire you as a "Senior Lecturer."

In short, please quit doing the all-night shark hop. The sharks are getting tired of it.

And incidentally, it's a "curriculum vitae," not a "resume."

Alex39, okay have it your way. Go look up his CV and see what it says.

Thanks for letting me know how the word is used. If you haven't noticed the madness, everybody is making the same argument. What is there to disagree with. Nothing. You don't need to convince me.

But I hope you can agree with me, regarding my point when you go look up his CV.

Alex39, okay have it your way. Go look up his CV and see what it says.

Are you intentionally being obtuse?

His CV probably says "Senior Lecturer". That's a title.

But he was also "a professor." As someone pointed out, it's like the word "officer" in the military. It's a generic term. If you were a Brigadier General what title would you list on your resume? Brigadier General, of course. But in other contexts you could say that you were "an officer" and be entirely correct.

He'd be wrong to say that he was a "Full Professor." Or an "Associate Professor." Etc. Those aren't generic terms, they're specific titles. If he'd said that you'd have a valid point, but of course he didn't say that. Which is why you don't have a valid point. Stop digging while you can still climb out of the hole.

Rabbitismorgasbord,

At the risk of having to respond to every one who posts here, I understand the difference between the title and the generic term. I am the one making the distinction. Everyone wants to tell me that they are right because of they want to use the generic term.

At Politico it is characterized as 'semantically consistent'. Lets call it small p vs. large P.

I don't know what Obama said, and in what context. But really, and I mean this, I don't care! But lets stop arguing about small p's and large P's. Everybody agrees that there is a distinction.

So airwon,

Since you are defending this as "factually accurate" I would assume then that you cringed when Hillary went on her "shame on you" tirade against Obama accusing his campaign of Rovian tactics when mailers in OH pointed to the truthful aspects about Hillary's healthcare mandates and her praise of NAFTA. She really seemed to get in a bunch about that. And those were really factually accurate, unlike the Hillary campaign picking at semantics of a professor argument.

He taught classes on constitutional law. Period. It does not matter if he was tenured or not. He was a teacher, had a class and students. What more do you need to know?

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They offered him tenure track several times, and a major university does not do that to anyone, especially if that person has previously declined such an offer. Obviously, you can't have two careers at the same time, so it was either full-time politics or full-time teaching. In his situation, Senior Lectureship is his choice, while the department's desire was obviously to have him on tenure track.

RE: A discussion of "character attacks" that took place in another recent thread:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/clintons-toughness.php

This is the difference between calling out Clinton on her Bosnia lie, which some are labeling as a "character attack" on the part of Obama, and a real character attack.

Maybe Hillary really does want Obama to win, and this is her way of getting people to really focus on the fact that Obama was a professor of constitutional law, and knows a lot about what he is talking about.

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Dammitt He is a professor he is a professor he is a professor!

What a wimp

What a troll.

should be "off" this damn island. Sorry was under attack from some neighboring cannibals at the time.

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Dude, point is who the F cares. He can be all he wants to be. He can be who he needs to be. Its great..its fine. Doesn't mean he is 1. effectively intelligent 2. ready to be POTUS

Here's the link:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/28/832174.aspx

The funny thing is, even after they were proven wrong about this, and it was a very publicly made charge, the Clinton team did not apologize to Obama. I would think out of normal courtesy if you publicly charge someone with impersonating a professor and it turns out he is fact a professor, you would apologize. But I forget: only people with a modicum of class do that.

The fact that Clinton would pick on this shows the moral bankruptcy of her campaign. It is designed to discredit Obama and is based on a lie. Of course he was a law professor. When Mr. Smurf was an adjunct lecturer, he was still a 'professor,' and his students called him "Professor Smurf," his peers called him a professor, and when someone said, "what does Mr. Smurf do?" I said, "That is Dr. Smurf, and he is a professor of Smurfiness." The campaign knows this and is being deliberately obtuse. Brother Smurf is a lawyer, though his position is "associate." He is still a lawyer. And Barack got Life confused with Esquire? My god, has he no decency?

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The minuscule meaning of "minute" -- as in "so small as to avoid detection in most instances" -- does indeed characterize such "thinking" as You-Know-Her chooses to indulge. Yes, she does have an impressive short-term memory for factoid "details" relating to, let us say, Healthcare. Unfortunately, when attempting to secretly combine with mega-insurance companies to implement the "details" of an actual program, she bungles so badly as to disgust the county and lose Democrats control of the House and Senate for twelve years.

So, yes, details do matter -- when determining what important project the Democrats don't really care if she blows, big-time, for the Party and America. Nonetheless, she really does want an undeserved, Peter-Principle promotion to even higher levels of incompetence. Really. She does. She wants it badly. And we must reward her, she says, for ... well ... whatever. She demands it. Because every woman who joins a company has an automatic claim to the CEO's job. I mean, every woman just knows that. Men (like Senator Obama) just don't get that "entitlement" thing.

Voters in Iowa rated You-Know-Her's claim of "entitlement" worthy of a third place finish. Just a minor "detail," true, but one that essentially nailed the "loser" tag securely and prominently to You-Know-Her's entitled, sloping, detail-obsessed forehead. The "dots" she knows. She simply has shown no demonstrated ability to connect them into anything truly meaningful.

He isn't a professor. He's not even a Senior Lecturer. He was for a few years a Lecturer. He was for a few more years a Senior Lecturer. He was offered tenure a number of times but chose politics and writing instead.

I suspect he was also a house husband part of the time as well.

He's a Senator from the State of Illinois, and a candidate for President of the United States of American for the Democratic Party.

He must have been a terrifying prof, tho. With a steel trap mind like that and an enormous curiosity on top of it. His students must have been pushed to the limits of their ability to learn.

I was a part-time community college instructor for a few years. "Teaching" and "college" automatically made me a "professor" to all my students and relatives and anybody who doesn't speak Academese. Obama's use of common terminology rather than precise jargon was not something that most people see as a big deal. Clinton calling him on it, using jargon to define the difference and acting like it was a big deal, that just comes across as desperate. Not as desperate as running across a tarmac in a flak jacket under sniper fire, but desperate.

The sad thing is that I was just reading an article on The Economist just released an article today that calls Obama a liar about it. http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10926335
This should be corrected, at least on their website. Why they haven't yet, I haven't the foggiest.

My LTE to them:

Your recent article "Of Snipers and Sniping" contended that Barack Obama lied when he referred to himself as a law professor. As anyone in the academic world knows, Obama had every right to call himself a professor, as do the tens of thousands of other senior and adjunct lecturers around the country. The University of Chicago itself said Obama was a professor. The real question is whether taking a candidate's hit piece as fact without even calling the institution in question earns one the title of "journalist." Though it does have some uses; mindlessly parroting the Clinton's campaign's false claim, then using it to deride the media as biased and credulous, provides English professors with an excellent example of irony.
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Yes, he is a law professor. Want to know how I know? Because I HAD HIM IN LAW SCHOOL!

OK, Hillary nuts, this is how it works. At the U. of Chicago, you have professors (visiting and faculty), Bigalow instructors, adjunct professors, clinical professors and lecturers.

Professors are easy: tenure track, either at UC or somewhere else.

Bigalows are the first year writing and research instructors. They are usually people coming off a judicial clerkship or out of practice. My Bigalow was formerly a NYC litigator with Debevoise and Plimpton, old brown shoe Wall Street firm. He left UC and went to tenure track elsewhere.

Adjucts are practicing attorneys who teach very narrow, esoteric subjects, like advanced intellectual property.

Clinical: they teach litigation in the legal aid clinic and staff cases for indigent criminal defense or civil litigation. I did a death penalty appeal and a criminal case (we got a poor Black man off on a robbery he did not commit, then he committed ten rapes of poor Black women in his neighborhood . . . discuss amongst yourselves).

The there are the lecturers. Obama, being a sitting state senator and attorney obviously was not looking for a tenure track position. So he was in the lecturer slot . . . along with Judge Richard Posner and Frank Estabrook [sic?] of the 7th Circuit. My old proff Diane Wood, a Clinton appointee to the 7th Circuit, is also a lecturer, I believe.

Hillbots, you want to go explain to Dick Posner that he is not a "real professor"? You people are proving more and more that denial is not just a river in Egypt.

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well, it's true that the Clinton campaign is flat-out wrong to call Obama to task for this. But amn, any AA with an Ivy law degree to me is to me (rebutably) presumably not particularly competent. In my law skool and b-skool I listened to a variety of black profs speak, and read some of their "scholarship" and it was painfully obvious that black students are admitted to eleite institutions, and black profs hired, molely as decoration. And man, at my law skool, Russian LLM students had a 100% bar pass rate, while the AA babies had something closer to 65%. Shameful.

If this is intended as snark, it's pretty good snark.

"eleite"? "molely"?

The quasi-legalistic notion that you get to frame a rebuttable (by the way, it has two t's) presumption of incompetence on the basis of race -- the idea being that since it's "rebuttable," it's not racist, but merely puts the burden of proof on black people. Wow!

Plus eliding the little detail that he was president of the Harvard Law Review?

LMAO.

I think the humor may be a little unfair, though. There are actually some good arguments against affirmative action, and it's unfair to satirize all affirmative-action critics just because some of them make total fools of themselves by attacking Barack Obama.

Wow. You might not want to post on race issues anymore.

By the way, Lawrence Tribe described Obama as the best student he ever had.

Alex39, you think it's satire? It's been same racist crap from this joker on every thread. It's a sad day when a snarky poster like me can't separate the snark from the racism.

Wow! you went to law SKOOL? I am impressed.

Look, I've always believed Obama when he said he was a professor.

All I want to know is....Can he get us of this damn island or what?

Love,
Ginger

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Did his students call him "Professor Obama"? Did he give them grades at the end of the term? Then he was a professor, so get over it. The fact that the U of Chicago Law School has confirmed that he was a professor should only be icing on the cake.

This was a moronic attack at best. The U of Chicago can choose from the best of the best to teach its students. And many of the best profs are not tenure-track profs....they are, instead, scholars with other legal careers (like U.S. Ct. of Appeals judges, politicians, etc).

And frankly, a candidate who couldn't even pass her primary bar exam (HRC failed the DC Bar, for those who don't know) shouldn't be casting aspersions of any kind on a lawyer who was not only President of Harvard Law Review and "the most brilliant student" Prof. L. Tribe "ever had," but was also qualified enough to be asked to teach at the U of Chicago Law School (arguably a co-equal or better school vs. Harvard).

The smell of desperation in the air seems to be abating.

I believe if this thread was written a few weeks back there would be many more dissenters (Hillary hecklers) in the crowd.

I'm not sure, though, if this waining is do to the ridiculously weak assertion of Hillary's camp regarding Barack not being a professor, or overall support for Hillary is dwindling.

I was looking a little more into this--for some reason I'm just particularly offended by this one, perhaps because it's so WRONG. The Chicago Sun Times picked up the quote from the campaign, and added something to the effect of, "In academic circles the distinction is important. A professor is someone who has tenure."

THERE'S NOTHING TRUE ABOUT THAT! It's said with total authority, and it's completely false.

This is "Clintonian Strate-gery" at its finest. They damn well know the difference. The so called latte/wine crowd knows the difference. This intentional misrepresentation is directed at her base supporters that somehow still believe she is telling the truth.

Underhanded politics I can appreciate but this is just tacky and cheap. She has learned the lessons of the right wing conspiracy well but I fear the hour is getting late for her campaign. It smells of desperation.

By the way, there was a good diary right after the speech from someone who had Obama in law school. (Though the headline says, 'Obama was a lot like this as my professor' instead of 'Obama was a lot like this as my senior lecturer.' I'm sure the Hillary campaign will be releasing a memo.)

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/18/191324/949

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Well, I guess he didn't misspeak that time. Just others:

Obama claimed credit for nuclear leak legislation that never passed. "Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was 'the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.' 'I just did that last year,' he said, to murmurs of approval. A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks. Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama’s comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate." [New York Times, 2/2/08]

Obama misspoke about his being conceived because of Selma. "Mr. Obama relayed a story of how his Kenyan father and his Kansan mother fell in love because of the tumult of Selma, but he was born in 1961, four years before the confrontation at Selma took place. When asked later, Mr. Obama clarified himself, saying: 'I meant the whole civil rights movement.'" [New York Times, 3/5/07]

LA Times: Fellow organizers say Sen. Obama took too much credit for his community organizing efforts. "As the 24-year-old mentor to public housing residents, Obama says he initiated and led efforts that thrust Altgeld's asbestos problem into the headlines, pushing city officials to call hearings and a reluctant housing authority to start a cleanup. But others tell the story much differently. They say Obama did not play the singular role in the asbestos episode that he portrays in the best-selling memoir 'Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.' Credit for pushing officials to deal with the cancer-causing substance, according to interviews and news accounts from that period, also goes to a well-known preexisting group at Altgeld Gardens and to a local newspaper called the Chicago Reporter. Obama does not mention either one in his book." [Los Angeles Times, 2/19/07]

Chicago Tribune: Obama's assertion that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing 'strains credulity.' "…Obama has been too self-exculpatory. His assertion in network TV interviews last week that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing strains credulity: Tribune stories linked Rezko to questionable fundraising for Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004 -- more than a year before the adjacent home and property purchases by the Obamas and the Rezkos." [Chicago Tribune editorial, 1/27/08]

Obama was forced to revise his assertion that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House.' "White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was forced to revise a critical stump line of his on Saturday -- a flat declaration that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House' after it turned out his own written plan says they could, with some restrictions… After being challenged on the accuracy of what he has been saying -- in contrast to his written pledge -- at a news conference Saturday in Waterloo, Obama immediately softened what had been his hard line in his next stump speech." [Chicago Sun-Times, 12/16/07]

FactCheck.org: 'Selective, embellished and out-of-context quotes from newspapers pump up Obama's health plan.' "Obama's ad touting his health care plan quotes phrases from newspaper articles and an editorial, but makes them sound more laudatory and authoritative than they actually are. It attributes to The Washington Post a line saying Obama's plan would save families about $2,500. But the Post was citing the estimate of the Obama campaign and didn't analyze the purported savings independently. It claims that "experts" say Obama's plan is "the best." "Experts" turn out to be editorial writers at the Iowa City Press-Citizen – who, for all their talents, aren't actual experts in the field. It quotes yet another newspaper saying Obama's plan "guarantees coverage for all Americans," neglecting to mention that, as the article makes clear, it's only Clinton's and Edwards' plans that would require coverage for everyone, while Obama's would allow individuals to buy in if they wanted to.” [FactCheck.org, 1/3/08]

Sen. Obama said 'I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage,' but Obama health care legislation merely set up a task force. "As a state senator, I brought Republicans and Democrats together to pass legislation insuring 20,000 more children. And 65,000 more adults received health care…And I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage." The State Journal-Register reported in 2004 that "The [Illinois State] Senate squeaked out a controversial bill along party lines Wednesday to create a task force to study health-care reform in Illinois. […] In its original form, the bill required the state to offer universal health care by 2007. That put a 'cloud' over the legislation, said Sen. Dale Righter, R-Mattoon. Under the latest version, the 29-member task force would hold at least five public hearings next year." [Obama Health Care speech, 5/29/07; State Journal-Register, 5/20/04]

ABC News: 'Obama…seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he made' on ethics reform. "ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: During Monday's Democratic presidential debate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he has made on disclosure of "bundlers," those individuals who aggregate their influence with the candidate they support by collecting $2,300 checks from a wide network of wealthy friends and associates. When former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel alleged that Obama had 134 bundlers, Obama responded by telling Gravel that the reason he knows how many bundlers he has raising money for him is "because I helped push through a law this past session to disclose that." Earlier this year, Obama sponsored an amendment [sic] in the Senate requiring lobbyists to disclose the candidates for whom they bundle. Obama's amendment would not, however, require candidates to release the names of their bundlers. What's more, although Obama's amendment was agreed to in the Senate by unanimous consent, the measure never became law as Obama seemed to suggest. Gravel and the rest of the public know how many bundlers Obama has not because of a 'law' that the Illinois Democrat has 'pushed through' but because Obama voluntarily discloses that information." [ABC News, a=href"http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/obama-exaggerat.html">7/23/07]

Obama drastically overstated Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance. "When Sen. Barack Obama exaggerated the death toll of the tornado in Greensburg, Kan, during his visit to Richmond yesterday, The Associated Press headline rapidly evolved from 'Obama visits former Confederate capital for fundraiser’ to ‘Obama rips Bush on Iraq war at Richmond fundraiser' to 'Weary Obama criticizes Bush on Iraq, drastically overstates Kansas tornado death toll' to 'Obama drastically overstates Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance.' Drudge made it a banner, ensuring no reporter would miss it." [politico.com, 5/9/07]

I can only assume that when he said these things he was sleep-deprived, having just avoided the bullets of a sniper attack.

another_reader, thanks for putting together this list. I expect other Obama supporters to offer point-by-point rebuttals, but I acknowledge that he does exaggerate, even if some of these cases are disputable. I'm an avid Obama supporter, but I don't think that he's a saint, and it disturbs me when any politician or political campaign misrepresents the facts, so I appreciate you and others calling him to task. I hope that you can likewise acknowledge Clinton's misrepresentations.

That being said, it seems like this list should be re-posted as its own topic. We need something new to chew on, lest our teeth get dull.

It should be its own post, and on that post I will have no problem framing the context, rebuting, and admitting where things are eggagerated. However that list is just a repost of the same smear list that has been floating around.

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Thank you for the compliment on the list, but I stole it from a Hillary campaign memo and forgot to credit it.

Clinton has made many errors/blunders. I could never dispute that.

Wow AR, plagarized the list from the Hillary campaign. Glad you could admit that after workingclass called you on it. We might have thought that was your own research or something.

In other words, you're a plagiarizer. I retract my compliment and replace it with condemnation. You could be prosecuted in Canada.

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oooppsiee.......

oooppsiee, my spelling yes.

I noticed you did not include any hyperlinks for these so called citings so we could see them in context. Help us out here AR. We always include links to our arguments.

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http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/profile/Jim%20Sleeper

Jim Sleeper
Biography: Jim Sleeper, a lecturer in political science at Yale and a writer on American civic culture and

So why doesn't Jim Sleeper say that he is a Professor? Maybe he has some integrity left in him. Or maybe there is special Obama rule, that every Obama word must be considered as utter and unfalable truth. Any doubt in Obama is a Blasphemy.

You are free to have doubts. Once those doubts are assuaged by facts, you either realize your doubts are unfounded, or you can keep drinking the artificially flavored illusionment beverage sanctioned by the Hillary campaign.

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I can guarantee you the students in his class call him "Professor Sleeper" . . . because he is teaching. You can spin and spin and spin as much as you want. But the U of C said he was a professor with the title Senior Lecturer. He said he was a professor, they said he was a professor, and nothing you say her changes reality . . . not that Hill-bots care about reality . . . .

Incoming! Sorry! I just got mortared by Baathist separatists!

I taught law as an adjunct at a state university, and in each of my classes, I was called by the university "Professor" and told that I should insist students call me that.

Besides, it's all subjective anyway.

It's not like he called himself "Man Who Flew Into Bosnia Avoiding Sniper Fire" or some other irrefutable, objective fact. . .

Well, it took about 30 seconds via Google to find the hypocrisy of the Clinton campaign. Let's see how they define professor in context.

From a HRC press release:

A complete list of the 225 Educators for Hillary follows:

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Patricia Blumenthal, Chester
Professor, Chester College

So, who is this, upper-case P, professor?

See the faculty list at Chester College:

Patricia Blumenthal Lecturer I in Psychology BA, Clark University MS, Antioch New England Graduate School Psy.D., Antioch New England Graduate School

Oh my... a Lecturer I at the prestigious Chester College of New England? No, no, no... Professor Blumenthal!

Words matter, or just words?

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Yeah long as they are Clinton and clinton advisors' words they matter but when its...say...Wrights words..Do they matter. Evidently not here. 3 cheers for balanced logic.

Care to address the "balanced" way in which the HRC campaign uses the word "Professor"?

Wow. I read this entire thread and nearly every comment, and I want my TIME back! What a waste.

Barack Obama supporters: Get a life. Hillary didn't lie. Her campaign put out a factually accurate statement to challenge a politician who says that words are important. She's picking nits. That's what politicians do when they're trying to win. She doesn't eat babies, no matter what you idiots say.

Hillary Clinton supporters: Obama didn't attempt to mislead anyone. His characterization of his resume used common and acceptable language that portrays his experience fairly. He's waging a campaign and trying to win and that's his perogative. He's a brilliant man, not an empty suit, no matter what you idiots say.

Come together as Democrats people. Grow up. Your sniping is irritating and counterproductive.

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Not really sure how to explain this, Milla, but I will try.

Whatever your experience might be, it may be interesting to you, but anyone who would draw a universal conclusion about all African American Ivy League graduates from their own personal experiences is . . . well, a blithering idiot!

See her is how it works: there are about 40 million Black people in the US and--gasp! -- they are all different! Some are brilliant, some are retards. Some are athletic, some are so fat that they can't walk 20 feet without being winded. Some have 10 kids by age 25, others are childless at 40. Some are well adjusted, some are insane.

Other than my periodic forays to stormfront.org to see what the hard core White racists are saying, I am not sure I have heard such a sweeping ignorant statement about such a large diverse population in quite a while. You are to be commended. Now, as WEB DuBois once said, "Imagine a mistletoe attached to my coat tail and honor it."

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