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The Red State Myth

<p>Both Democratic candidates and their supporters have tried to make something from their performance in whichever "Red State", they've prevailed during this primary season. Of course winning the majority of Democrat votes in a Democratic primary means very
little beyond the current race and a candidate's victory is really no indication of how they'll perform in the General Election.</p>
<p>To illustrate this point, I've prepared the following chart. The figures for each of the two primaries represent the total vote for all candidates and the last number is the final vote for John Kerry in the November election.</p>
<p><b>Alabama</b><br>
2004 Primary Date: June 1<br>
2004 Democratic Primary: 218,574<br>
2008 Democratic Primary: 539,743<br>
Dem. Votes in 2004 GE: 693,933</p>
<p><b>Arizona</b><br>
2004 Primary Date: Feb. 3<br>
2004 Democratic Primary: 222,626<br>
2008 Democratic Primary: 390,016<br>
Dem. Votes in 2004 GE: 893,524</p>
<p><b>Arkansas</b><br>
2004 Primary Date: May 18<br>
2004 Democratic Primary: 266,848<br>
2008 Democratic Primary: 294,633<br>
Dem. Votes in 2004 GE: 469,953</p>
<p><b>Georgia</b><br>
2004 Primary Date: March 2<br>
2004 Democratic Primary: 602,499<br>
2008 Democratic Primary: 1,046,485<br>
Dem. Votes in 2004 GE: 1,366,149</p>
<p><b>Missouri</b><br>
2004 Primary Date: Feb. 3<br>
2004 Democratic Primary: 416,104<br>
2008 Democratic Primary: 820,453<br>
Dem. Votes in 2004 GE: 1,259,171</p>
<p><b>New Mexico</b><br>
2004 Primary Date: Feb. 3<br>
2004 Democratic Primary: 95,954<br>
2008 Democratic Primary: 139,869<br>
Dem. Votes in 2004 GE: 370,942</p>
<p><b>Oklahoma</b><br>
2004 Primary Date: Feb. 3<br>
2004 Democratic Primary: 299,806<br>
2008 Democratic Primary: 401,230<br>
Dem. Votes in 2004 GE: 503,966</p>
<p><b>South Carolina</b><br>
2004 Primary Date: Feb. 3<br>
2004 Democratic Primary: 291,175<br>
2008 Democratic Primary: 530,322<br>
Dem. Votes in 2004 GE: 661,699</p>
<p><b>Tennessee</b><br>
2004 Primary Date: Feb. 10<br>
2004 Democratic Primary: 358,840<br>
2008 Democratic Primary: 614,096<br>
Dem. Votes in 2004 GE: 1,036,477</p>
<p><b>Utah</b><br>
2004 Primary Date: Feb. 24<br>
2004 Democratic Primary: 33,839<br>
2008 Democratic Primary: 122,617<br>
Dem. Votes in 2004 GE: 241,199</p>
<p>As you can see, the 2008 primary totals are all higher than the 2004 figures, but that could be a function of a change in the primary date, the fact that we have a competitive race and every vote counts, and I'm sure some of it is attributable to persons voting in a primary for the first time or for the first time in a few cycles.</p>
<p>In every case, the 2008 totals are less than the Democratic vote in the fall, so I don't think a lot can be made from who carried what state by itself, and the exit polls posted on the CNN website does not note the respondent's history.</p>


Comments (4)

I apologize for the visible html tags. This is my first post to this forum and the thing said that I could insert html, so I tried to format the it to make it easier to read. Obviously, I failed and I'm not seeing a way to edit the post, but if you look around the tags, the basic idea can be seen.

Once again, I apologize and if anyone knows of a way to edit or if there's a style guide that I'm missing, I'd appreciate you pointing the way.

There are so many changes taking place here that you are not alone in being befuddled. ♪

You're not putting together the last piece of the equation. More Democrats voting in the primary means more Dem votes in the general, provided we have a popular candidate.

Most of these primaries are open as well, meaning that a lot more unaffiliated and Republican voters felt they had a stake in naming the Democratic nominee this time around.

Finally, look at the strong performances by Democratic Senate and Congressional candidates in "red states" last year. Pickups in KY, KS, TX, IN, CO. Maybe more important for the purpose of refuting your premise are the Dems who ran strong and lost narrowly: Larry Grant in Idaho, Gary Trauner in Wyoming, Harold Ford in Tennessee. Folks are sick of Republican rule and will come out of the woodwork this November to install a Democrat.

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Magister,

Thanks for taking the time to compile the data, and don't sweat the formatting issues. It's confusing - the comments take HTML tags, but the blog posts themselves require formatting with the tool bar. I think we're all learning how TPM Cafe works the hard way.

I do, however, want to take issue with your conclusions, even as I applaud your data. It's certainly true that the extraordinary turnout we're watching is multicausal - it reflects voter frustration with the status quo, the presence of a competitive race with two outstanding candidates, and, as you note, a remarkable percentage of first time voters. And it's a fair and valid point that, even as Democratic turnout surges, simply replicating the primary turnout in November isn't going to be enough to win any red states.

But perhaps we can take a closer look at one of the Super Tuesday states where you'd expect to see the biggest changes - Georgia - and shed light on why people are so excited. Back in 2004, there was a great deal of dissatisfaction with the Bush presidency, and a tight, competitive race. In fact, John Kerry slipped by John Edwards in Georgia just 47-41, a much narrower margin than we saw this past Tuesday. As you note, we saw a huge jump in the number of voters this time around, from 602k to more than a million. Yet a careful look finds a very different primary electorate, not just in raw numbers, but in composition:

2004 2008
Voters 18-29: 11% 17%
Blacks: 47% 51%
Women: 56% 63%
Independents: 19% 19%

And translating that data into raw numbers, you find:

2004 2008
Voters 18-29: 66k 178k
Blacks: 283k 502k
Women: 337k 661k
Independents: 114k 199k

So young voters, women, and blacks are headed to the polls in almost twice the numbers as they were last time around, and they compose higher percentages of Democratic voters. Crucially, for November, the primary also attracted an extra 85k independent voters. There, the percentage held steady - even though in 2004 George W. Bush ran unnopposed in the Republican Primary (drawing 100% of the vote), meaning that the Democratic race was the only game in town for independent voters. We might reasonably have expected that the Democratic race, this year, would have drawn not only a lower percentage of independents, but also a lower number.

Now, in the end, all of this optimism rests on a basic assumption. In every presidential election to date, the number of voters who cast ballots in a given party's primary is significantly lower than the number of voters that party attracts in November. Like most pundits, I'm assuming that the higher turnout in the primary will translate into an even higher turnout in the general election, as well. In Georgia in 2004, the November Democratic vote was 227% of the March primary turnout - and that was with John Kerry heading the ticket, when a third of primary voters told pollsters they'd be dissatisfied if he was their nominee. Obviously, 2.27x not a realistic multiplier this time around. But more people always come out for the general election - that's just the way it works.

We may be wrong. It could be the case that the turnout on Tuesday was simply (or largely) a function of all the people who would have voted in November heading to the polls in February. This is an unusual election, by any measure, so it's possible. All we have to guide us here is historical precedent, and that's been a poor guide indeed thus far this cycle. It's also possible that if Obama loses, embittered black and young voters stay at home; or if Clinton loses, women won't flock to the polls in numbers quite so large. But the bottom line, as far as I'm concerned, is that people are voting in the primaries in numbers that eclipse even competitive primaries in past years, and that bodes very well indeed for November.

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