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"Old Fashion Concepts of Race are Not Only Socially Divisive But Scientifically Wrong."

...thus spake Dr. Spencer Wells, anthropologist and geneticist.

The American Anthropological Association says the term "race" has no justification in Human biology.  It has no scientific basis.  Those extremely superficial external appearances like skin color, hair color, eye color, hair texture, eye shape...all these things make up about .01% of our DNA.  "Race" is an unfortunate social construct that we need to overcome.

These things should be kept in mind when people like the sociologically challenged M.J. Rosenbergs of the world go on about "race baiting" and "playing the race card."  (You should also have a better grip on what playing the race card actually is!) 

When we learn that all of us are only 2000 generations separated from our original ancestors in Africa the notion of "race" starts to sound silly.  This isn't to minimize freaks like the KKK and other White Supremacists and their like.  It is not to pooh-pooh the tactic of really playing the race card, of using one's skin color  as a sort of trump card in an argument.  No.  It is only to highlight the absurdity of it all.  Think about it, Nelson Mandela and David Duke are, genetically, virtually identical.  Imagine what little David would think to know he's of African descent!  That he and Nelson are indistinguishable in their DNA!  That kinda cracks me up.

As Spencer Wells also said...  "We are, all of us, literally African under the skin."   I'm damn proud of this!  That white Irish kid in the movie The Commitments had no idea how prophetic he was being when he said..."I'm black and I'm proud!" 

(Oh!...and if recent research proves to be accurate, we also have a little Homo erectus in us!  How cool is that!) 

Anyway,  I long for a day when we have a scientifically literate president.  A more scientifically literate White House would maybe lead to a more scientifically literate society--you know, like they have in many European countries! And maybe, just maybe this would lead to less irrational hatred for, or fear of, people who on the surface appear to be very different from you, but in actuality are not.  It might lead to a day when people don't reflexively flip out over criticisms from one person of particular skin color toward another person of a different skin color, simply because of the skin color.  Ah, well...I could be wrong. 

It's difficult to remain optimistic amongst all you god damned Homo erectus descendants!  Heh-heh.

OK,  this silly little ramble has gone too long and probably isn't terribly coherent...but what the fuck.  Peace, people!


Comments (20)

Nicholas Wade's "Before the Dawn" is a good roundup of current knowledge in the field, combined with linguistic analysis.

Other terms that are scientifically vague but colloquially useful include gender identity, age, talent, political alignment, and ethnicity. It is good to point out the less-than-rigorous basis for casual categories, but they are used by most and can't be ignored.

And it is especially risky to emphasize quantitative distinctions, since they can be used to show we share well over 90% of our DNA with most species. Genetic arguments also can be used to show that African-ethnic-group ancestry correlates with wider genetic variation. (This is used to explain greater representation at the extremes of physical size and talent.) It also means an older, originating group. The risk here is that it could be used to emphasize a less-evolved character. So it is a double-edged sword, or in a more useful analogy, it's a gun that can point more than one way.

Let's leave genetics to the geneticists. I think a better argument against discrimination is that many, perhaps most, of us have very recent admixtures of African ancestors, i.e. intermarriage or out-of-wedlock relations in our family history. In this country it's common to be much closer than 2000 generations removed---more like four or five---from African roots.

Since Obama considers himself (colloquially) black, to acknowledge how the rest of the country tends to view people like him, we can accept the category.

It is not at all a silly ramble.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/21/AR2008022102739.html?hpid=sec-health

Excerpt:

About 90 percent of the full catalogue of human genetic diversity exists in every human population. Individuals are likely to have almost as many differences with people we consider to be "like us" as with strangers on the other side of the world.

"What this says is that we are all extremely related to each other," said Richard M. Myers, a geneticist at Stanford University School of Medicine, who helped lead one of the studies being published today in the journal Science.

Such a discussion is relevant especially when remembering Williams F. Buckley Jr.'s National Review which writes in 1957:

''The central question that emerges -- and it is not a parliamentary question or a question that is answered by merely consulting a catalogue of rights of American citizens, born Equal -- is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas where it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes -- the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race. . . .

''National Review believes that the South's premises are correct. If the majority wills what is socially atavistic, then to thwart the majority may be, though undemocratic, enlightened. . . . Universal suffrage is not the beginning of wisdom or the beginning of freedom.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C03E7D91E3DF937A15751C0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

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Proof again racism comes in all shades.

The HapMap project that is supported by academia and governments around the world to define racial differences delicately talks of populations, ancestry ond other euphemisms for race.

The trouble is with the racists that will sacrifice millions on the altar of social constructs that is as evil as the racism of white supremacists and afrocentrists.

What manner of omnipotence provides certain insight into the liver of individuals from nonsense like skin pigmentation, eye or nose shape, or even accent or religion?

But it is differences in the livers and lungs and hearts that best define race rather than loki's infernal prejudices.

http://www.hapmap.org/

Best, Terry

What were those infernal prejudices again?

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Were the words in my link too difficult for you, loki? Perhaps you would like to ask for help with any words that caused you problems.

The International HapMap Project is a partnership of scientists and funding agencies from Canada, China, Japan, Nigeria, the United Kingdom and the United States to develop a public resource that will help researchers find genes associated with human disease and response to pharmaceuticals.

http://www.hapmap.org/

Your inability to go beyond such things as skin pigmentation or even language and religion is the very essence of racism.

"I am totally color blind," says the social constructionist. "It matters not to me that you are a different color. Just stay with your own kind and then we can all get along."

The scientist looks for what is hidden in the genes and sees the differences for what they are.

"You are a black man," says the FDA, "and therefore you are an African and we have a drug for you and only you. The drug is BiDil for African-Americans only."

But the color of one's skin is not all that matters anymore than religion or language amd does not even tell of one's ancestry or origins.

That is why scientists study racial characteristics while racists propound on what is not true and see only their prejudices.

There is no black race, Loki. There is no white race, Loki. There are no yellow or red races, Loki. What is there that is so difficult to understand? What part of "no" do you not understand?

Best, Terry

Terry,

This is exactly what I am saying. Are you projecting? Are you dense? I am the one saying there is no race. That skin pigmentation are superficial. What's this aggression on your part? Is it reading comprehension?

Uh, make that... pigmentation issuperficial.

(Too much wine!)

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loki,

I am the one saying there is no race.

And that is the lie.

Shall we go over it again? Or do you wish to continue spouting your racism that separates people by prejudice?

There are races. If there were no races there could hardly be diseases that are unique to races. The caucasian disease, cystic fibrosis, is almost unknown in sub-Saharan Africa. Children of caucasians in South Asia, with skin as dark as any African, are no more immune from the terrible disease than other caucasians but social constructionists like yourself, claiming to be color blind, see only their prejudices.

There are most certainly races but they are not the races of racists like yourself. They are the races defined by genes that can be diagnosed with a simple saliva test.

More precisely there are racial admixtures but one thing at a time is enough when trying to talk to the misinformed disinforming others.

Your racial heritage is in your genes. Your prejudices are in your mind and would best stay there.

Best, Terry

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You really want to get into this again? For the last damned time, Terry, there are NO "race" genes. I explained it to you over and over. I explained DNA, alleles, frequency of alleles, sequence of DNA, and you did not understand it then and you will not be able to understand now.

There IS NO RACE GENE. We are ONE species, we are ONE race, the human race. Black people do not have a special black gene, just as white people do not have a special white gene. Humans all have the same percentages of DNA, chimps on the other hand, have 99% of our DNA and then split by 1%. Humans do not have that split - that means that we are all one species and within that species we have variations caused by environment, living conditions and intergroup marriage along with historical waves of exodus from one area to another.

While we are all human, we do have characteristics in common with out birth group. These characteristics are determined by environment, diet and those inherited from the father and the mother. Those homo sapiens who stayed in Africa adjusted to the constant desert sun by generations whose genetic code adapted to the harsh sun. The darker the pigment, the less Vitamin D was absorbed through the skin into the body. We all have the same genetic code for skin colour, the difference is the adaptation of the code to the environment. THose homo sapiens who wandered north became paler and paler as the sun disappeared for long times ans was available in shorter time spans. What the darker and lighter pigmented skin did as operate as a filter for the body's absorption of Vitamin D. There was NO gene that made some people black and some people white - after thousanda and thousands years, the need for different pigments became encoded in our DNA sequence. We all have the same skin, we all have the same pigment but we have evolved with different sequencing that tells our bodies to release the pigment at the same level as our parents. This is just one of the ways humans could survive in different climates.

All humans have the same genes. They all have the same DNA. We all have the same chemical and electrical processes - humans could not have a gene another human doesn't have - if they did they would be a different species. What makes us LOOK different is the sequencing of the DNA, the frequencies of the alleles and the genetic encoding.

For the last damned time, Terry, there is NO race gene.

Not only is race a social construct, but the concept of race is relatively new historically.

The American Anthropological Association has a wonderful online, interactive site which deals with "Race".

http://www.understandingrace.org/home.html

Thanks Deoliver. Very interesting and helpful.

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Not only is race a social construct, but the concept of race is relatively new historically.

Is that to say that when foreign tribal and "other" family members began arriving in more numbers, settling near "our" resources described as a geographical place a different term for the "other" or outsider was necessary. Race filled that need.

Family and tribe combined with marriage to keep resources local. The other competing for our resources neatly fit the need to keep the other away from resources and social equality.

Race also fitted the need of the powerful and the elites to keep the masses distracted from the real controllers of wealth and inequality.


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No, it wasn't that complicated. Race was first used in the early 19th C. as a means of classifying humans in a hierarchy, just as they did with other species - Species, Genus, Family, Order, Class and so on.

Earlier civilizations appear not to have made distinctions of "race". The Egyptians are a very good example of this - they did not differentiate between humans because of colour. The early Greeks also did not have a society based on colour, but rather on class.

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Journey of Mankind is about the best site I’ve come across for tracing the origins of humanity. They have a world map showing the various migrations and also superimpose various climatic conditions that occurred during each time period. It also displays a time line.

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And it is here:
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/

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Absolute refutation of intelligent design is right here:

There IS NO RACE GENE. We are ONE species,

The scientist changes his theories to fit the the data.

The bigot changes the data to fit his beliefs.

A race is not a species. When Darwin wrote of races of butterflies or even plants, he was apparently speaking of species. The definition of species had not yet evolved [no pun intended].

The denial of race is as destructive and unscientific as the mirror image of the claim of the superiority of race. Both spring from the same primitive fears of science.

Would you prefer to talk of mutants rather than races, BevD? Would that be more satisfying to you for some reason? Would that prove that geneticists are bigots and that your theology is divine?

There are still no white mutants, BevD, nor black mutanss. There are only mutants. Better? Or would you insist yet, like Chris Matthews or Tim Russert or Mark Penn, that there are white mutants and black mutants?

What there are in fact are races that have been isolated over time or space and carry mutated genes that separate them from other races.

Each of us is the result of admixtures of races.

Too horrid to contemplate, BevD, that you carry genes of those "other people?" Not so bad. Try to get over it. Some people are proud of their ancestry but it is just a fact rather than something to take pride in.

Last year, Professor Peter Fine at Florida Atlantic University had an idea for an art class. He would gather a group of students to produce work around their idea of their racial identity. But as part of the class he asked them to take a DNA test that would break down their racial background. His bet was that most of the class - of whom the majority saw themselves as whites of European descent - had no real idea who they were.

He was right. Of 13 students, only one turned out to be completely European. The rest displayed a mixture of European, Native American, African and Asian genes. The one black student turned out to be 21 per cent white. Fine himself - who admits to looking like a corn-fed stereotype of a white Midwesterner - discovered he was a quarter Native American. 'I honestly think these tests could have a large effect on American consciousness of who we are. If Americans recognise themselves as a mixed group of people, that could really change things,' he said.

Fine has a point. For centuries, America has been less a racial melting pot and more a stew, where different communities bump up against each other, but keep mostly to themselves. Yet, as millions of Americans take DNA tests, they are discovering a surprising truth: America's strict racial lines are, in fact, blurred. One-third of white Americans, according to some tests, will possess between two and 20 per cent African genes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jul/15/usa.genetics

I am planning a business venture to offer multi-colored sheets to the KKK. Perhaps I could offer you and loki some, BevD? It might help with your problems. You are one of those mutants that you deny exist.

Best, Terry

Your willful ignorance is absolutely stunning.

The above comment was addressed to "Terry." I'm sure everyone knew that, though! ;^}

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These things should be kept in mind when people like the sociologically challenged M.J. Rosenbergs of the world go on about "race baiting" and "playing the race card." (You should also have a better grip on what playing the race card actually is!)

Race, as a valid, scientific biological category, may or may not exist. I'm agnostic, tending to the "doesn't exist" side, but persuadable on that front.

Race, as a social construct, indisputably exists. So does racism.

Assuming arguendo that race does not exist, its non-existence does not prove in any way that "race baiting" or "playing the race card" does not happen. Because the social construct exists, and people use it (whether it's true or not) to frame their thinking.

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