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So it's looking like Obama has been telling fibs about Rezko.  From http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-obama-rezko-home-feb19,0,6690484.story

From the article: "In 2006, he told the Tribune he recalled talking to Rezko and his wife "either at an event or some conversation we had where they mentioned to me that they either knew the property or knew the developer or something like that."

But now, it turns out that he "took his friend and fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko on a tour of the premises to make sure it was a good deal".

Why would he omit/lie about this?  Maybe he pulled a Gonzalez and couldn't "recall", or maybe it was an innocent visit with his buddy Rezko. 

Either way, his response in the SC debate where he responded to Hillary's claims about his dealings with Rezko by saying that he only did 5 hours work in the early 90s in conjunction with a *church group*, was very misleading at best.

I like the guy, but don't like this meaningless "different kind of politics" rubbish.  This is a presidential election, not a hearing on the canonization of a putative saint.  


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The 2 aren't mutually exclusive: He talked to Rezko at an event and later Rezko accompanied him on a property tour. Point is, neither the conversation nor the property tour was illegal. Obama's bid on that property was the highest offer the owner had. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a_9sOMpy91Js&refer=us

Exactly.

Obama was answering a question about his "dealings" with Rezko, a.k.a. how the guy helped him out--to which Obama says the guy told him he had the inside scoop on a property.

Not talking about the 15/30 minute tour of the property in which Obama asks the guy for his advice on whether the deal is good or not is not lying. It's not even a lie of omission, because he wasn't trying to hide anything/he wasn't trying to deceive anyone.

Looks like this blog has been caught lying!

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I never implied it was illegal. This is a question about honesty and judgement.

I think it's a dishonest omission/lie to say he could vaguely remember discussing the property with Rezko at a fundraiser, and leave out going on a tour of the house with him.

I also think it's bad judgement to be so intimately involved with Rezko in 2005, when he was widely known to be under investigation since 2004.

There is nothing to indicate he was "intimately" involved with Rezko and there's nothing to suggest Obama in any way knew of Rezko's wrongdoings. Even if there were, it has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that Obama has not profited from these wrongdoings in this matter. There's nothing to cast doubt on his judgement or his honesty, just like there's nothing to what you're trying to push onto the rest of us.

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O'dochartaigh: You're wrong.
You said "Obama says the guy told him he had the inside scoop on a property".

Obama said "I told him [Rezko] about the property" http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/124171,CST-NWS-obama05.article

If you're going to talk about dealings you've had on a property, visiting that property together is more important than a vague discussion at some 'event'. What do you think they talked about while visiting the property? The weather?

Obama clearly mislead us, and he did it 'cause he didn't want to be tarnished by the Rezko brush. Understandable, but still *true*!

Uh, yeah. Obama tells Rezko about the property in which he's interested, and Rezko tells Obama he has the inside scoop on that property. You can split hairs all you want.

The point of your argument is that Obama was somehow purposefully dishonest about his dealings with Rezko, which implies that he has a reason to be dishonest, because he profited illegally (or even dishonorably) from Rezko's wrongdoings. Again, there's nothing there to prove any of it, and unless you're purposefully looking for it, there's nothing to even suggest it.

Really? The fact that Obama hadn't previously talked about this TOUR of the house really bothers you?

Look, I don't like Obama's and Rezko's friendship or this "deal" between them (the easement sale) because it looks like a couple of big shots -- one guy in elected office and one guy who does business with the government -- doing favors for each other. Ick. But other than that I just don't see what's so egregious here.

I'm not trying to discount your own reaction to this--obviously, you have a different opinion about what all of this implies about Obama's character. I just don't think it's going to get the general public (you know, the non-geek-political-blog-crawling humans) all that stirred up.

Bloomberg had an article today that claimes the sellers of the property came forward to say that the Obamas had the winning bid on the property because it was the highest bid they received, and that it had nothing to do with a the sale of the adjoining lot.

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O'D: "The point of your argument is that Obama...profited illegally."

No, it isn't. As I clearly stated, he intentionally mislead because he didn't want to be tarnished by the Rezko brush.

The public finding out that you toured, and then bought, property in conjunction with a sleazy developer doesn't look good (at least in most people's eyes, you might be different O'D).

Obama fell into the trap that many politicians do of misleading the press, and hoping the real story doesn't come out at an inopportune time (ie in the middle of an election campaign).

Politics as usual?


Uh, foreigner, you said, "he intentionally mislead because he didn't want to be tarnished by the Rezko brush.” Right!

Well this is just hearsay unless you can read people's minds! How can you prove that he intentionally mislead? Can you prove that he meant to mislead? How? What information do you have that prosecutors don’t have in the ongoing case against Tony Rezko?

I am not an Obama bot, I do support the man for the democratic nomination, and I do think being associated with someone who is being prosecuted for being an inattentive and negligent property owner is probably not a good thing for a political candidate. I have looked at over 5 stories that revolve around the Rezko case and have yet to see where Mr Obama features in any prominent role in his dealings. I believe that one might assume that since Mr Rezko had been an investor in properties in the South Chicago area and that Mr Obama who happens to be a lawyer and activist in the area that they might in fact cross paths now and again. I know that Mr Obama was offered a high paying job from a firm but turned it down because of his belief that he would better serve the community by being an organizer within the community rather than being an influential player working from outside the community. This choice is huge for me because I see it as a "teach a man to fish rather than give a man a fish" type of philosophy, i.e. it shows character. The other thing that Obama has said is that the mistake of buying the property of Rezko's wife was a "boneheaded" mistake. The beauty of this is that he reinforces his character by admitting fault even though he is in zero legal trouble because of this supposed mistake. So basically every-time I hear this argument it reinforces my belief that those that choose to push this story are either 1) partisan 2) are Mrs Clinton supporter's that can not understand what all the hubbub is about Mr Obama 3) Mrs Clinton supporters who never will believe that there is a better candidate despite qualifications 4) are just ignorant of the actual documents that describe the proposed improprieties.

I know that Mr Obama was offered a high paying job from a firm but turned it down because of his belief that he would better serve the community by being an organizer within the community rather than being an influential player working from outside the community.

Wow, very selfless. Such "character!"

And yet he was still able to buy a house that cost over a million dollars? Very down-to-earth, very of-the-people kinda guy! No pretense there. That's the kind of character I'm talkin' about!

Heh-heh.

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He bought the house after writing a best-selling novel that netted him more than a million dollars.

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Edit: book, not novel

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Hi Josh, first:
None of your points 1-4 about people pushing this story apply to me.

2: "Can you prove that he meant to mislead?" Even better, I can prove that he *did* mislead. His campaign has been saying for weeks that everything about the Rezko affair is out in the open... yet here we are with a new admission. Touring property with someone is clearly indicative of closer ties than just discussing the house at "some event".

Now, this isn't a question of legality, it's a question of integrity and judgement. See http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/757340,CST-NWS-watchdog24.article to put the timeline into perspective.

I agree it's laudable that he turned down a big job offer, but it's naive if you don't think he had his eye on a far bigger prize. Also, that same praise can be lavished on Hillary, who worked for a charity immediately on graduating law school, so I'm not sure why that would make you support one candidate over the other.

At any rate, you're allowed to support Obama and still think he mucked up big-time on this, by not being candid from the beginning. I don't think he did anything illegal, but he knew it looked bad, and showed poor judgement, so he misled us to limit the fallout.

The real story on the Rezko/Obama real estate deal is the owner of the house wouldn't sell it unless they could sell the lot next door at the same time. What Rezko did is buy the lot next door to the Obama house for $650,000 so that Obama could buy the house. Rezko says his original plan was to build condos on the lot. Where I come from, somebody stepping up and plunking down $650,000 for a lot so you can buy the house next door is a big favor. When people begin to understand the kind of relationship you have to have to get a favor like that, they are going to take a closer look at the candidate.

Obama's explanation of his relationship with Rezko is as phony as his "Mother" health insurance commercial.

Hi, Billy.

I'm sure you have a reason for making this claim: "The real story on the Rezko/Obama real estate deal is the owner of the house wouldn't sell it unless they could sell the lot next door at the same time."

I found an article on Bloomberg that contradicts your claim, using the sellers of the property as its source:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a_9sOMpy91Js

What do you think is going on here?

Sorry, you're wrong. Do not collect go, do not collect $200.

My family buys rental property and sometimes can't do so without someone else agreeing to other purchases. They work together for mutual benefit and once the purchase is done, they go their separate ways. These kinds of deals are EXCEEDINGLY common in real estate.

They rarely indicate, or result in, any kind of ongoing relationship beyond a neighborly "hello."

Another instance of Obama lying is where he said that Dennis Ross is an advisor of his on Jewish issues. Dennis Ross claims that he only met Barack Obama once, very briefly, and certainly is not Obama's advisor.

If I might throw in an editorial opinion, here, I wonder what else Obama lies about.

I like the guy, but don't like this meaningless "different kind of politics" rubbish. This is a presidential election, not a hearing on the canonization of a putative saint.


Yep, its easy to see how much you "like" him.

Being sloppy with the facts is your choice.But it does call into question your motives.

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The Chicago Tribune spent years vetting the Rezko story ... Not only did they not find anything, the Tribune endorsed Obama for president.

Here is an article wrt some points raised.

"Rezko first reached out to Obama in about 1990 when the future senator made headlines as the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. Rezko and two real estate partners called out of the blue to offer a job building inner-city homes.

"I said no, but I remained friendly with all three of them," Obama said. "All three of them remained great contributors of mine."

"Over the years Rezko and Obama shared lunch "once or twice a year, although that's just an estimate," the senator said. As couples, the Rezkos and Obamas dined perhaps "two to four times ... in the time that I've known him."

[...]

"Obama and his wife were already flush with success when they went house hunting last year. Their combined income--bolstered by payments for his best-selling autobiography and advances for future books--topped $1.67 million. His wife, Michelle, had recently been promoted to a $316,962-a-year position as vice president at the University of Chicago Hospitals."
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No candidate is perfect. But as long as we are talking about character.

Clinton claims she has been vetted, but some of her largest donors are either indicted or in jail. There is a long list — including ties to Rezko.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/st.....55d748946e
http://www.margieburns.com/blo.....97614.html
http://www.margieburns.com/blo.....01879.html

Then there is the matter of Huge Kazakh’s donation of approximately $31 million dollars to Bill Clinton’s Library having to do with a mining deal, but it was scrubbed from MSNBC’s site:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22926743/

Everyone has some skeletons in their past, but consider the fact that Obama has been completely cleared on the Rezko scandal.

Don't forget the media often takes quotes out of context to frame a story that slants in a way to make a point that is misleading.

Rezko theory debunked
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/29/171056/015/838/445627
Obama has been honest about the mistake he made, and the fact that Rezko was trying to buy future influence with him. Obama declared, "I am the first one to acknowledge that it was a boneheaded move for me to purchase this 10-foot strip from Rezko, given that he was already under a cloud of concern. I will also acknowledge that from his perspective, he no doubt believed that by buying the piece of property next to me that he would, if not be doing me a favor, it would help strengthen our relationship." Obama"s mistake was in allowing the appearance of impropriety. He never actually did anything wrong. And that"s the key issue here.

Despite all of these rumors about Obama and Rezko, none of the evidence indicates any actual wrongdoing. Conservative Republican Tom Bevan called the evidence against Obama "pretty darn weak." Conor Clarke of the New Republic reported that Obama"s real estate deal with Rezko was a "nonscandal." According to Clarke, "journalists have followed the smoke and haven"t found the fire. At that point, accusing someone of something that looks wrong stops making sense."

Of course one boneheaded mistake when he was a young lawyer, and nothing but squeaky clean afterwards, will convince the Clinton people.
This is the only thing they can bring up. Talk about destrutive politics. I suppose you have to accuse your opponent of doing something that you are really guilty of yourself
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=076fd56f-4aca-4683-a9d1-3c55d748946e

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The CT piece also showed the sellers of his house sold it to him because he was the highest bidder. It had nothing to do with Rezko, which has often been alleged.

So the "sweetheart deal" on his house never happened.

Apology accepted.

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I'm still not sure what the supposed "conflict" is. I don't think anyone in Chicago where this supposed "scandal" took place has any idea why it's even news.

Rezko is a real estate developer.

He bought a lot in a gentrifying neighborhood that would NOT have been available as a single property.

This in an overheated Chicago real estate market where developers have been buying lots WITH houses on them, knocking the houses down and building multi-unit "luxury condo" developments where individual units with deeded parking sell for half a million apiece.

It's not like REzko bought a useless parcel ..or like he GAVE the Obamas anything.

He SOLD the Obamas a 10 foot wide easement adjacent to their new house for $104,000. 10 feet is the standard width for a driveway/garage. Kenwood is a neighborhood built BEFORE cars--so--no driveways. (There is a converted coach house off the alley...but, it's converted to a residential unit and has a tenant in it, according to a Tribune article...not potential garage material.)

The Obamas got their house. Rezko got a lot in an up and coming neighborhood, starved for housing for UC hospital and University professionals that he can build out profitably. The Obama PAID him $104,000, probably for a driveway easement

(I, personally, would have sold my soul for off-street parking in this city...before the city impounded my car and got to keep it forever after I couldn't pay them $2000.00 last year for 10 parking tickets + fees and interest. They don't call it "parking enforcement" here...it's the "Department of Revenue" and the IRS could learn a lot from them.)

Yeah. I'm confused about the controversy too; although I have to admit their friendship and this "deal" (the easement sale) bothers me a little. It just has the whiff of arrogant big shots doing favors for each other. Ick. But I don't see anything that rises to the level of scandal other people see.

Furthermore, the sellers of the property are now supposedly coming forward to say there was no deal like the one Billy (upthread) claims; that the reason the Obamas won the bid and got a discount on the selling price was because of Rezko's purchase of the adjoining lot. Here's a link to the Bloomberg article with this latest claim: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a_9sOMpy91Js

What do you think? Is it possible it's false?

Another tempest-in-a-teapot "scandal." The facts are there for anyone who wants to know the truth, as pointed out repeatedly in the comments. The thing that surprises me is that Sen. Clinton supporters would resort to Whitewatering Sen. Obama. Rather ironic don't you think? Look the guys is not perfect, which he readily admits. (Listen to last night's speech. I might add that he admits his mistakes much more than Sen. Clinton.) Also, can't you see how this brand of gotcha politics just backfires as it did with the very, serious plagiarism scandal. I realize Sen. Clinton is getting desperate but, these kind of attacks will just continue to reinforce her negatives and boost Obama's appeal. She did well in N.H. when she was magnanimous and showed some humanity.

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Foreigner: Tell us your real name and what position you hold in the HRC organization. Your facts are wrong and your innuendos are classic
Clinton. Get a life.

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I don't quite understand this "recommended post". It seems rather uninteresting to me. "Caught in a lie"? I expect a bit more when this is the headline.

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This will stay a non-story unless Rezko has some bombshell to drop. I don't think that he does tho. I think Rezko was just currying favor with a naive young puppy hoping to, as Don Corelone might have said, "At some future time, I may ask you to perform a service for me." I doubt that he got any action from Obama...just a closer relationship with this naive puppy that could prove useful at a later time.

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