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"It's the call-and-response often heard in Baptist churches"
...."He's running a theological campaign," said the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who ran for president in 1984 and 1988. "At some point, he took off his arms and grew wings"....Dallas radio talk show host Mark Davis mocks the Democrat's events as "Brother Love's Traveling Salvation Show," after the old Neil Diamond hit....
Campaign Journal, Gromer Jeffers, Jr., The Dallas Morning News, Feb. 26, 2008
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The Dallas Morning News has been the local propaganda wing for the Republican party for as long as I can remember. They will be sure to echo this over the rest of the year.
The only place for real news in Dallas is the Dallas Observer.
I remember that Mark Davis made news for saying something stupid and bombastic a few months ago, but I can't remember what it was. Do you?
February 28, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
February 28, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Artappraiser:
This snippet from the article struck me:
"These voters see more than a different kind of politician – they see a transformational figure. Linda Coley, a college professor from Oxford, Ohio, said Mr. Obama is in tune with the mood of the country, and those who mock his message are behind the curve.
"'He's in touch with what's going on today," Ms. Coley said. "He understands the time for a positive message right now.'"
What the heck is that college professor talking about. She writes that "those who mock his message are behind the curve". Sounds like she is talking about seasonal styles. Juxtapose that with you were making last night, that Obama appears to shun ideology and is uncomfortable with single-issue groups (unless of course they give him an endorsement :)).
Point being, what is this message if it is devoid of ideological content? Is it really just all ya need is love, or come together right now? How will that play in Peoria in November? I'm having a little trouble grappling with it now, and I am a shoo-in showroom dummy type of Democratic voter. I don't even know where the GOP lever is!
February 28, 2008 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bruce,
In addition to his two books, Obama's ideological orientation is laid out in several easily accessible speeches. Yes, there is a lot of inspiring rhetoric and moral exhortation in these speeches. But ideological commitments come through clearly along the way, and are interwoven with the inspiration. Here is one of those speeches from 2005. See particularly the sections on reconstruction, the New Deal and Bush's "ownership society," for an understanding on where Obama stands on the classic ideological disputes over political economy.
February 28, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think his speeches on religion in America are far more interesting. He sees the ignorance of the electorate as something to build a campaign on. He may be right.
February 28, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
For example.
"But over the long haul, I think we make a mistake when we fail to acknowledge the power of faith in people's lives -- in the lives of the American people -- and I think it's time that we join a serious debate about how to reconcile faith with our modern, pluralistic democracy.
"And if we're going to do that then we first need to understand that Americans are a religious people. 90 percent of us believe in God, 70 percent affiliate themselves with an organized religion, 38 percent call themselves committed Christians, and substantially more people in America believe in angels than they do in evolution.
"This religious tendency is not simply the result of successful marketing by skilled preachers or the draw of popular mega-churches. In fact, it speaks to a hunger that's deeper than that - a hunger that goes beyond any particular issue or cause.
"Each day, it seems, thousands of Americans are going about their daily rounds - dropping off the kids at school, driving to the office, flying to a business meeting, shopping at the mall, trying to stay on their diets - and they're coming to the realization that something is missing. They are deciding that their work, their possessions, their diversions, their sheer busyness, is not enough.
"They want a sense of purpose, a narrative arc to their lives. They're looking to relieve a chronic loneliness, a feeling supported by a recent study that shows Americans have fewer close friends and confidants than ever before. And so they need an assurance that somebody out there cares about them, is listening to them - that they are not just destined to travel down that long highway towards nothingness."
I guess we can't say he didn't warn us. In a world where more people believe in angels than in evolution, what can we expect?
February 28, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
The speech that really won me over to Obama was this speech at the University of Nairobi in August, 2006. I think reading these extended reflections on the conditions of life in another country gives us a lot of insight into Obama's conception of the difference between good government and bad government, a well-functioning society and a dysfunctional society. It also tells us a lot about his sense of history and his understanding of how social change occurs, and its possibilities and challenges. Some passages also help explain Obama's particular emphasis on the need to forge broad national coalitions committed to the public good:
Finally, ethnic-based tribal politics has to stop. It is rooted in the bankrupt idea that the goal of politics or business is to funnel as much of the pie as possible to one's family, tribe, or circle with little regard for the public good. It stifles innovation and fractures the fabric of the society. Instead of opening businesses and engaging in commerce, people come to rely on patronage and payback as a means of advancing. Instead of unifying the country to move forward on solving problems, it divides neighbor from neighbor.
An accountable, transparent government can break this cycle. When people are judged by merit, not connections, then the best and brightest can lead the country, people will work hard, and the entire economy will grow - everyone will benefit and more resources will be available for all, not just select groups.
February 28, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am an atheist and I like the way Sen Obama uses religion. He appealst to the best it has to offer and uses it to bring us together. If there was more of the Obama style of religion in politics, and more tv preachers like Mr Rodgers, instead of Bush and Hagee we would have nothing to fear from religion.
February 29, 2008 8:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't have any answers because I don't know what his campaign plans (including "image") are like for after getting the nomination.
Quick thoughts, don't hold me to them: I am worried about "believers" getting bored in seven months and not coming out to vote, so subtract some of the youth GOTV effect that so many promote as his strength.
Then put him up against a McCain who is no longer pandering to the far right, and who can manage to control his temper and tendency to say dumb things like "bomb bomb bomb Iran" (admittedly a big "if," but doable with a speech and debate coach.) The McCain one saw the other day apologizing for the right wing radio guy's rant against Obama was a very attractive saleable and need I say presidential image. If the youth vote has tired of Obama, you can't play the ageism card so well...
All in all, I just don't see the preacher thing continuing to play well for 7 long months except stealing a few religious swing votes. (Since he's the Democratic candidate and also 1/2 black, he's going to get the black evangelical vote even if he doesn't continue the preacher/RFK thing.) Many "fans" who are won over in such a manner are often fickle, move on to other things, lose inspiration.
McCain isn't the most ideological guy around and all those bipartisan bills with his name on them, well they speak for themselves in comparing with a non-ideologoical Obama as the opposition. The racial guilt thing doesn't work on those thinking of voting for McCain because McCain has a very dark-skinned 15-year-old adopted daughter of Bangladeshi origin...etc., etc. etc.
Overall, I'd say he's going to need a new image and we don't know what it's going to be. It may then get a backlash of inauthenticity...
February 28, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
As someone who got beyond call and response when I was a teen, I find the Obama campaign incredibly entertaining.
February 28, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I appreciate you giving that context to your other remarks. As someone interested in cultural history, I like knowing that.
February 28, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
No wonder I find your posts and comments interesting. I gave up politics a few years ago after deciding there are no political solutions, only cultural ones. Or, in the jargon of the blogosphere, culture trumps politics. If he is undone, Senator Obama will be undone culturally, not politically. He has certainly provided "a narrative arc" to the lives of his supporters. If he loses in Texas and Ohio, that narrative may become more interesting as Lo! history discards the Obama narrative in the same way it discarded Napolean's army in Russia. If he wins at least one of those states, the Obama narrative continues into the Fall.
February 28, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
As someone who got beyond call and response when I was a teen, I find the Obama campaign incredibly entertaining.
Interesting. Call and response is an integral and valuable part of my Jewish tradition. Although I'm well into my 40's, I haven't "outgrown" it and don't expect to. (I somehow manage to reconcile that with accepting evolution as fact and natural selection as valid, sound scientific theory, and reading Torah frequently, especially on Shabbat, which I do observe, while somehow not having to believe that God created the world in six days and divided the Water Up There from the Water Down Here.) So I'm happy to see it in use in a good and effective campaign.
February 29, 2008 4:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
I quit believing in god or an afterlife but still like call and response. I can see many positive things that a moderate religion offers a community without believing the myth.
February 29, 2008 8:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Call and response is also an African style for singing or chanting. It makes for a lighter load of work, when a team engages in that. You can see it in a variety of ways in Africa.
So this is not just a religious thing. Indeed, the black style of worship (call and response) comes from African roots.
It has to do with a community pulling together, working together, encouraging each other.
And this meme can continue and be enriched, say I.
February 29, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Call and response is also an African style for singing or chanting. It makes for a lighter load of work, when a team engages in that. You can see it in a variety of ways in Africa.
So this is not just a religious thing. Indeed, the black style of worship (call and response) comes from African roots.
Indeed it does, and as others have posted, it's a near-universal, human response, taken perhaps to its highest expression by African peoples. In one of my lives I'm a music teacher, and from MLK's birthday through the end of Black History Month I include freedom songs and spirituals, which are replete with call-and-response of course, and I teach that history and context, at least a little.
Another favorite musical genre of mine is son jarocho from Veracruz, Mexico. (The most famous son jarocho is La Bamba, although it's different in style from the rock-and-roll version introduced by Richie valens that we're all familiar with. Call and response is integral to the genre, and it comes about because son jarocho is mestizo music, a fusion of African, "Indio" and European (Spanish) traditions.
The word "jarocho" incidentally means, approximately, "riffraff." The "white folks" (i.e. "pure-blooded Spaniards") looked down on those colored folk who engaged in primitive, lowbrow stuff like, uh, call and response.
Methinks that those who have "gotten over" such lowbrow stuff might want to look at it again.
Amazing that all those upper class, latte-sippin', Brie-munchin', Cabernet-quaffin', Volvo-drivin' wealthy Obama supporters (as opposed to the salt of the earth working folk who we all know support Clinton) go for that call and response stuff.
March 2, 2008 3:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, for a Preview or Edit function on this website.
Italics should continue into the second quoted paragraph (at the top).
Capitalize "Valens."
A closing parenthesis belongs after "we're all familiar with."
Sheesh.
March 2, 2008 3:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
People are often very proud of what they get "beyond," without realizing that much more of our true measure is what we get "through" in life.
Hell, lots of teenagers are "beyond" the notion that their parents could possibly know more about the world we live in than they do. Once they get "through" a few things, the impact of what they're "beyond" is usually diminished. Or as I heard someone put it the other day, my parents got a lot smarter when I had kids...
Call and response is one of the oldest and most widespread human traditions. The ability to create and share a meaningful moment with someone in the back row of an 18,000 seat stadium has a long, but direct lineage to the ability to create and share a meaningful moment with someone across a fire under an open, darkened sky. Call and response is a part of our shared humanity that we should examine and embrace, even as we acknowledge that it can be misused for evil and destructive ends in the wrong hands. Billy Glad's comments and posts seem to have the skepticism of the speaker part down, but as many response here have noted, he might need some work on the examination and the embrace.
February 29, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good call on the essence of call and response
February 29, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
As someone who got beyond call and response when I was a teen, I find the Obama campaign incredibly entertaining.
Too bad for you, Billy. Most jazz, country, and classic rock music is based on blues, which is firmly grounded in call and response.
You must be quite a fan either of Mozart or Gilbert and Sullivan. Whatever turns your crank.
February 29, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Dan:
You appear to have calmed down now that you're guy appears to be on the way to the nomination. For a couple of days there you were reminding me of someone who gets a little crazed at times, namely me. :)
In any event, if I were heading the Obama camp I would highlight a series of addresses on policy matters: foreign policy, economics, etc. I would even make them a bit boring (not Dukakis like mind you but you know what I mean), a bit wonky. He's a brilliant guy, and I think he needs to take the presumption head on that loads of folks have, particularly when you're talking about the general election, that he's all hat and no cattle.
I think it's especially important that he take on McCain on economic issues, e.g., he should chide McCain without mercy for flip-flopping on Bush's tax cuts, and combine that with an explanation about how it is irresponsible in a macroeconomic sense to have waged war and cut taxes. And he needs to chide McCain for neglecting the middle class and the poor, and he needs to compare what he would do with healthcare as compared to the know-nothing approach of McCain, et al.
In short, we're in an election now and it's really about perception. If Obama sews it up quickly, I think he needs to play the wonk for a couple of weeks (in between a couple of rousing speeches here and there of course, which couldn't hurt).
Don't worry Dan, I'm with Obama as much as you will be if he's the one. But until that happens, I can't stand him!!! lol(kidding, sort of; you know what happens in a campaign and all).
Regards.
Bruce
February 28, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I were an art appraiser, I would say that Obama is a masterful political artist. He uses words and tones to paint [large canvas] a potential future which grabs the attention, the minds, the hearts and the aspirations of millions of Americans who had become turned off and tuned out by the bleakness and discordant slash-stroke product output they'd come to expect from politics.
If I were appraising him not for his artistry, but for his depth of intellect and capacity to synthesize huge amounts of data, and for the ability to hit the jugular with good and timely judgment, and for his ability to communicate that synthesis and judgment, or even just for his significant and successful production in his few years as a US Senator [the sunshine legislation with Coburn, the WMD proliferation legislation with Lugar, the ethics legislation with Feingold, etc] I would also call him a master.
I see no downside with a politically masterful artist who happens to also be a masterful hard-working wonk.
February 28, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
DonnaG
I see an artist at evangelical-style rhetoric.
I don't see strong proof of a political mastermind yet, that still remains to be seen.
Matter of fact, the most encouraging thing on that front so far to me is how he could continually aggravate "netroots," even say disparaging things to them, and now many of them seem to have been won over.
I think it is still too soon to make an objective judgment over whether his wins against Hillary are the work of a mastermind or the flaws of Hillary.
Winning an open seat Senate race with these opponents:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#Senate_campaign
doesn't tell you much on that front.
February 28, 2008 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
P.S. My S.O. is an art dealer, works with both living artists and masterworks. He has always voted Democratic for president. This time he is angry, as he dislikes Hillary and Obama equally, but since Hillary is a known quantity that we have long discussed, there is no reason to talk about why. With Obama, his judgment, stated to me about a month ago:
S.O. "I hate that that guy is my only other choice! He's just a political hack! An ordinary lousy political hack! At least old style machine politicians could deliver something!"
Me: "but but but...this and that..c'mon, it won't be so bad...."
S.O. "C'mon, get real, that guy is just another lousy David Dinkins!"
Needless to say, he doesn't agree with you that Obama is some kind of artistic genius. (BTW, he knows much much more about both Afro-American culture and Southern evangelical culture than I do.)
February 28, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
You and the campaign of Sen Clinton make much of the fact that he has never had stiff oposition in a general election. I do not know how this recomends her since she has not either but that is another issue. He has had however hotly contested primaries. He has been the outsider against the machine candidate every time. That gives him experience in contested elections that Sen Clinton just does not have, and it shows.
February 29, 2008 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ack, some of you people just keep trying to frame anything anyone wants to discuss about possible problems for Obama as some pro-Clinton dirty trick, you just don't want to let go of the last war.
Sorry to tell you, but I've moved beyond Clinton, and I never had a strong preference between the two. This post was about Obama, some recent reaction in Texas, because I believe he is going to be the nominee. I'm interested in looking at his flaws realistically because I'm interested in not having a President McCain.
February 29, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
p.s. Let me put it straight out there and be blunt: unlike a lot of you posting on this site now, I am not an wannabe amateur political operative. I am interested in political analysis. I post with the agenda of trying to understand what is happening. I do not come to the internet to post pro or con for one candidate or another. I find reading the spin of amateur political operatives like a lot of you working this site now mildly useful to understand how people are thinking, but I also think it is not an efficient use of time because you can basically get most of what you need on what people are thinking from a good couple of polls.
February 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please cite your evidence and analysis that suggests or confirms you are dealing with "amateur political operatives."
March 2, 2008 3:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama can wring more emotional response from rhetoric than most politicians: compare how much more emotional response he can call up from the same words that Patrick Deval used. Nonetheless, Obama has a certain tone-deafness to how certain lines will resonate: “You're nice enough, Hillary “ (said in a tone which suggested that he thought about a million other things were wrong with her) is probably part of why he lost New Hampshire.
Another example is his obliviousness as to how the Pakistanis would react to his public suggestion that their sovereignity be ignored.
Given that Obama majored in International Relations this is inexplicable. Yes, I know that Rich subsequently described as a work of political genius but at the time Obama was going what did I do? All I did is say what everybody knows.
There is an element about him which parades his caring nature without much evidence that he actually gets it: witness his willingness to feature his young daughter dithering about her choice of clothes in his book in a fashion which would lead to unmerciful teasing if her classmates got hold of it.
He describes his future wife's desire to be on the fast track as "all these big plans."
To those of us who dislike him, his patronizing and condescending personality is highly objectionable -- not uplifting as those who are convinced seem to find it.
In the first speech referenced by Dan K. above the only future policy recommendations were more R&D and portable health insurance -- both desirable but nowhere near as inspiring as his rhetoric.
This ability to appeal directly to the emotions while bypassing the intellect -- the reporter who was comparing the two candidates but found that after Obama's speech he felt good for days but couldn't remember the content comes to mind -- is something which he has deliberately put to use: it allows him to assemble support without being tied down to specifics which might alienate segments of the electorate. His campaign is well aware of this and one blogger stated that at the Obama camps supporters are urged to explain their support of Obama not by citing policy but by recounting how they came to support him. This 'testimony' approach is similar to religious accounts of how someone found Jesus. I expect that the adoption of the technique was very deliberate and conscious by his campaign.
February 29, 2008 8:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
AJM,
I'm sorry but I don't know what show you're watching. In a campaign between Barack and Hillary, the one instance of tone deafness you siteon Barack's side of the ledger is swept away by the laundry list of Hillary's greatest hits.
1) Bringing up the SNL bit? Arguing with moderators? Complaining about the first question, making accusations of bias, and then saying "I don't mind but I just think it's interesting..." Who the hell watches SNL? Who wouldn't jump at the chance to get on the record first in a debate knowing that it increases the likelihood that you'll have the last closing remark?
2) The Reject/Denounce exchange? Hillary got a groan. Barack got two laughs.
3) Change you can Xerox? BOOOOOOOO!!! She should've dropped that after the crowd's response to "Silly Season" and "How can it be plagiarism when it's my National Co-Chair and he advised me to use it..."
4) Thursday night: I'm so HONORED to be next to you....
Saturday: SHAME ON YOU, BARACK OBAMA!!! MEET ME IN OHIO!!!
Sunday: "A choir of angels... A song of jubilee, waiting for your king..."
Tuesday: I'm not mentally ill. I'm just so passionate. I care about you guys. I'm a fighter.
Those examples are all from the last ten days. You wanna stand by that "Barack is tone deaf" argument based upon a comment from before New Hampshire? Be my guest. But I can't count the number of gaffes by Hillary surrogates. I won't even go there. I can't count the number of times that I've seen Hillary mocking and belittling the people that are voting for Obama as though there aren't similar, like-minded but undecided voters in the states that are coming up. I can't count the number of times that I've heard Hillary comparing Barack Obama to George W. Bush, something that most Democrats find repulsive and unacceptable.
Everywhere Barack goes, he draws SRO crowds. He has a ridiculous fundraising operation. He has tremendous volunteer support. He has a track record of blowing Hillary out in the states he wins. He has the delegate lead. He has the lead in the popular vote. He has won 11 contests in a row now. If anyone is tone deaf, it's the candidate who has been repeatedly mocking people in gigantic rallies who haven't actually cast votes yet.
February 29, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I mean seriously: If you can't match wits with Tim Russert and Campbell Brown, should you really be President?
February 29, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent excellent comment, one that I wish Josh Marshall...Todd Gitlin...Media Matters...the entire blogosphere..would really get on the wagon with. That presidential candidates have to be defended against the media, well, it just strikes me that there's something wrong with that picture. The media ain't going away, they will be with you as president. If there's one thing a president should be able to do in this day and age, it's handle the media straight out, without underhanded tactics like anonymice or many others.
February 29, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
One of the main reasons I support Obama is that he understands that politics can harbor meaning, in the sense that it deals with ethics. The Iraq War, our treatment of the environment, our farm subsidies, etc. have moral implications. Policies are not simply technical in nature. They pose ethical questions.
I agree with George Lakoff that our moral compass is derived from our world view or frame.
Barack Obama is willing to operate comfortably within the religious frame shared by many Americans. He consistently points out that this frame compels the ethic of "caring for the least of these" and "being my brother's keeper, my sister's keeper."
In an environment where many religious Americans would have us believe that their faith speaks to nothing more than abortion and gay marriage, the fact that Barack Obama is activating the compassionate nurturant side of the religious frame is, I think, a good thing.
February 28, 2008 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I temd to ignore the rhetoric when there are REAL Numbers to focus on
Obama and mccain nheld rallies in the same texas city 1 day apart
mccain drew a respectable 650 people
Obama filled a basketball arena to capacity, 13,000 people
call it what you like
it's DAMN effective
February 29, 2008 1:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo.
McCain events look like a retirement home lecture series.
Clinton events look like pep rallies for a 1-7 high school football team in a cold weather state.
Obama events look like the Rolling Stones have come to town.
But of course, all the people who support Obama are idiots, so the fact that they give him money volunteer for him, and vote for him, that's just a sideshow.
February 29, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
First, applause for DonnaG. I like your mind and vocabularies, verbal and intellectual.
artappraiser, I suggest from the evidence your SO has an agenda, apparently unsuited to an Obama presidency.
I haven’t seen a politician like him in my lifetime, and I include Kennedy, who I remember watching in Senate chambers conducting Mafia investigations. Bobby was on the committee too. I was really hot for, worked for Goldwater. I was excited and made hopeful by McGovern (it was a time of changes, eh?).
None. Not one.
Rules have changed along the way, but not persuasively.
Obama has changed The Rules, the way in which people and processes are engaged. Remember “They said it couldn’t be done,”? I assume you’ll recall it’s accuracy. Nor was he talking of deep-dyed cynics only. There were bunches of people wishing, but they expected inevitable disappointment, and valued their realism.
The way he’s brought in people from, as he says, all corners of the country? And that applies beyond simple geography. You hear him say these things in his speeches and you think, “Rhetoric’, it appears, and draw away, it again appears, from the thrill rising in your temples because it’s true.
Of course it’s a movement. An unprecedented moment, which is why only a few could regard it as more than wishful thinking.
It’s thrilling and it’s momentum is growing because of its respect for principles close to the romantic heart, the soul and passion of the nation; and because of it’s respect for truth.
Oh, sorry. I didn’t mean to make you choke on your coffee.
But think about it. I too sometimes feel I’m being forced to cut him some slack. That’s not so much because he’s been caught out. It’s that it’s got to be expected. He’s a politician, after all; is the usual line. Corruption or at least deception is bound to surface, and cynics will gloat. But so far the darts don’t stick. The habit of suspicion will linger, for which we are grateful. But cynics both moral and immoral have yet to find much satisfaction.
New, different, and transformative rules.
‘Hack’ seems a serious misjudgment.
Now about the issue of religious involvement.
Of course, it’s a fraught issue. I doubt anyone who’s been drawn into religion’s orbit, and understanding the phrase in a broader sense
that includes everyone, doesn’t have scars to show for it. Mine, like most, go pretty deep.
At the same time many, including myself, find what we feel to be our truest roots there.
Also, in passing; religion is not confined to crazies. This
is a piece from The Nation elaborating on the point.
So there are a lot of people of low, normal, high, and exceptional intelligence, many of whom would willingly die rather than deny their faith. Not the ‘vaguely religious’ of course; but those are at least expressing respect for the possibility of faith.
And, this being a democracy, aspirationally speaking (was that an echo? Yes, and to the point) these are people to whom respect is due as fellow-citizens. The process of finding a way to work together with a common will and a common goal, together with our differences both small and vast, is the work of democracy.
Obama appears to be one of those people, exceptionally intelligent, who is likely to regard his personal safety as less important than the integrity of his faith; or his faithful allegiance to the Constitution. I like that in him. I think I love that in him.
The oratorical urging in his speeches is an urging towards what we want to be that we are not yet. An urging to transcendence. The cynical dislike of the claims of transcendence is not amused. But the rest feel they understand the necessity in the moment, of the fulfillment in struggling towards the light rather than sitting around stewing in bile or apathy, making faces as the fire dies.
So Obama’s oratory’s echoes of preaching arise from a shared task, to urge hearers towards a larger goodness.
Hmm.
All these words and I haven’t gotten to what I hoped to speak of, but that’s probably enough for now. If this proves a durable thread I’ll no doubt cast a couple of cents into the kitty later on.
Thanks.
February 29, 2008 6:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry to burst your bubble, but he doesn't like sharing his political opinions with anyone but me. My agenda in posting the story was to point out to DonnaG that I have personal evidence that one Democratic person with aethestic sensibilities doesn't think much of Obama as an artist at all, and yes, to suggest that there just might be other people like him if you go outside the echo chamber of a pro-Obama website, or the political internet itself.
February 29, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's more than one kind of art. I shared a stage with Obama for a performance of Copland's "Lincoln Portrait", and his narration was the best I'd heard.
Take it from a practicing show-biz guy, he understands the stage. Art ain't ivory-tower purity, it's getting your audience to feel something, to be moved, to feel what either you feel or what you intend they feel. Art is communicating feeling, and that is Obama's strong suit.
But no work of art works equally on all people, so your S.O. is perfectly entitled to be unmoved. I am not particularly moved by much Mozart, although I love his operas. That I am not a disciple does not devalue the consensus opinion on Mozart. That some are not swayed by Obama does not definitively make him a weak artist.
February 29, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sen. Obama is using oratory as a tool. He has a lot of tools in the toolbox. Remember last fall when the conventional wisdom was that he had somewhat lost his ability to rally crowds and was a bit too wonkish in his speeches. He was using the right tools at the right time, building the foundation before raising the roof. All good preachers know to start slow, build momentum and quit at the peak before the congregation comes down. Don't be surprised if wonkish Obama or another Obama shows up after the nomination is secured. And I can imagine football stadiums filled to the rims in late October. Timing is crucial in politics, and Barack Obama has the timing down to an art.
February 29, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
"We are all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars."
-Oscar Wilde
February 29, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I reflect on this call-response here:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/02/come-to-obama.php
February 29, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's frightening.
February 29, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why?
March 2, 2008 3:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
artappraiser; sorry if my probe was showing. Initially my inclination was to think as described he seemed oddly prickly, and I was disconcerted by what I saw as unaccountable fervor. My apologies, to the degree you felt me urging indiscretion.
Tom, bingo. speaking as one familiar with the stage. Danimal; deft judgments.
Jeremiah: wonderful piece, and superior reportage. Lovely bit there leading up to and finishing with ‘No wonder we can’t find bin Laden.’
Enriched by your description of the bombshell question. And since I can’t deign to descend from the Canadian clouds to find out what the nuts and bolts look like on the ground, it feels as if I was granted the next best thing. Great stuff.
& I hope it will turn out ok for you destor.
Call and response is, or rather can be, an amazing organism, and it doesn’t get much more primal.
A couple of fond memories, hoping not to get too discursive (ha!).
The first was untold years ago, driving through SC tuning into a real suth’n preacher. He began in a calm, measured voice of intelligent address, suddenly punctuated by an explosive Hunh!, and resuming his narrative; but rhythmically, with increasing frequency, the interjections broke in, rising to a climax, alternating with single, grunted words. And then...calm, and the reasoning voice returned to its narrative. Another cycle, and another. We were soon out of range, so I never heard how it ended.
The other memory is from the coastal rain forests of Oregon, Summer 1977. A half-mile inland, a small lake, dusk. Approaching we could hear the frogs singing up a storm. Coming in full view of the lake, silence. I thought it was a response to our intrusion. Then a single chirp from the south end of the lake. A moment. A chirp from the north end. Pause, south chirp, pause, two north chirps. Soon the whole lake was ringing with it. Then, silence. Then it began again. Repeat, etc.
When I say primal, I’m talking pre-dinosaur. Seriously genetic.
At the pre-human roots of music.
Meaning among other things that call-and-response engages more of the fullness of being human than we’re likely to be comfortable with. Viscerally and neurologically calling up ancient genetically memorable pleasures also by extension might call up equivalent terrors, amplified by their strangeness.
Bear in mind that the radio preacher was dramatizing a dialog, a one-person call and response from opposite ends of consciousness embracing the extremes of measured reason and grunts and gasps.
Granted, this is pretty far afield from Obama’s observed usage.
But perhaps it may usefully suggest some of the energies at work and in conflict, in the enthusiasm that frightens many and is badly twisted by some who are led by it.
More importantly, it does not speak of animal irrationality as we usually think of it; the more researchers observe and deduce animal consciousness, the more they are surprised by similarities to our own.
Rather it speaks of the animal pleasure that is a rooted part of our starting point, our place in the ecology of consciousness.
That animal pleasure lies at reason’s roots and nourishes them. It’s the source of our treasured sense of being home. Reason’s roots, and music’s, and community’s and politics’. It also stirs deep fears.
Leading at last to a familiar conclusion: a political system must be judged by its deeds and the direction in which it leads. We differ variously in our assessments; ultimately our conclusions wait upon an indeterminate future.
Cheers.
February 29, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
(Not to worry artappraiser; lotsa hot air lots of bubbles bubbles always burst. Enough times around the ring, you learn, and stupider just takes longer; I speak from personal experience. Hadn’t thought of it; lead item in my résumé: Bubble Blowing.)
So.
February 29, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just finished reading Martin Luther King, Jr.'s last speech before he was assassinated. I suspect there might have been a bit of good old call-and-response in there.
http://seto.org/king3.html
And then there's his speech from 25 March 1965, MOntgomery AL. Parentheticals mark responses.
How long? Not long.
I hate that lowbrow riffraff jarocho primitive call-and-response stuff. Good thing I've gotten past it.
March 2, 2008 3:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Link for the 1965 speech:
http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/publications/speeches/Our_God_is_marching_on.html
March 2, 2008 3:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks gharlane,
Beauty.
March 4, 2008 4:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
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